1 00:00:06,548 --> 00:00:11,928 A NETFLIX ORIGINAL SERIES 2 00:00:38,913 --> 00:00:40,206 Mommy! 3 00:00:52,510 --> 00:00:54,137 Mejía for president, gentlemen! 4 00:01:19,162 --> 00:01:21,164 The debate on the radio is confirmed. 5 00:01:21,247 --> 00:01:23,666 It'll just be us and the vice-presidential candidate, 6 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,712 Mejía and his vice presidential candidate. It'll be closed. It'll be just us. 7 00:01:27,796 --> 00:01:30,465 We have to accept immediately. 8 00:01:30,548 --> 00:01:32,801 Gentlemen, there's something important you need to know. 9 00:01:34,010 --> 00:01:36,054 Guillermo has threatened to go public with my relationship with Analía 10 00:01:36,137 --> 00:01:38,014 unless I withdraw from this campaign. 11 00:01:38,097 --> 00:01:40,225 Oh, God. 12 00:01:40,308 --> 00:01:42,936 And the worst part is that he's willing to lie 13 00:01:43,019 --> 00:01:45,688 and say that Analía was our spy in his campaign. 14 00:01:45,772 --> 00:01:47,816 Look, Pablo. Pablo, Pablo... 15 00:01:49,776 --> 00:01:51,820 I told you, Ramiro. I told you. 16 00:01:52,737 --> 00:01:54,531 You don't have a choice but to quit. 17 00:01:54,614 --> 00:01:55,782 -Why? -You have to quit, Pablo. 18 00:01:55,865 --> 00:01:57,033 And give in to his slander, Mark? 19 00:01:57,116 --> 00:01:58,535 -Is that your style? -So, what will you do? 20 00:01:58,618 --> 00:02:01,162 -What are you going to do? -Confront him, which is what I want. 21 00:02:01,246 --> 00:02:02,330 Ramiro. 22 00:02:03,456 --> 00:02:07,752 I want to go to the station, take part in the debate and challenge his lies. 23 00:02:16,302 --> 00:02:17,470 How? 24 00:02:18,221 --> 00:02:20,223 All I can think of is to use the same strategies. 25 00:02:20,306 --> 00:02:23,393 -It's the only way. -No, Mark. I'm not going to lie. 26 00:02:23,476 --> 00:02:24,978 -We have to do the same thing he does. -There's another way. 27 00:02:25,061 --> 00:02:26,396 -Pablo, please... -Another way, Mark. 28 00:02:26,479 --> 00:02:29,149 Like what? Explain it to me. Like what? 29 00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:31,150 I'm quite sure he's involved in a financial scam 30 00:02:31,234 --> 00:02:33,778 with my cousin in the family's construction company. 31 00:02:34,821 --> 00:02:37,073 We've been investigating this issue for some time. 32 00:02:38,324 --> 00:02:39,701 What did you find out? 33 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:45,582 My cousin is Guillermo's right hand and his campaign manager. 34 00:02:46,082 --> 00:02:47,876 I just need more time to gather evidence. 35 00:02:47,959 --> 00:02:49,335 That's what we don't have, Pablo. 36 00:02:49,419 --> 00:02:50,503 We don't have time. 37 00:02:50,587 --> 00:02:53,131 -Ramiro. -Please. Please. 38 00:02:54,549 --> 00:02:55,758 Do you trust me? 39 00:02:56,885 --> 00:02:58,344 I know I can handle it. 40 00:03:09,898 --> 00:03:12,191 We just have to add that the rules 41 00:03:12,275 --> 00:03:14,611 will be the same as all our debates. 42 00:03:14,986 --> 00:03:18,281 The station will put to vote the subjects to be addressed... 43 00:03:18,364 --> 00:03:21,326 by candidate Mejía and candidate Pérez 44 00:03:21,409 --> 00:03:24,162 and their vice-presidential candidates. 45 00:03:24,621 --> 00:03:27,457 Votes will be cast online on our website 46 00:03:27,540 --> 00:03:30,835 until 6 p.m. tonight. 47 00:03:31,252 --> 00:03:33,713 Make a list of the topics proposed by the station 48 00:03:33,796 --> 00:03:36,132 and select those in which Mejía is weaker. 49 00:03:36,215 --> 00:03:38,176 How are we going to swing this vote? 50 00:03:39,844 --> 00:03:41,971 Dude... hacker. 51 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,600 I just have to get on their site 52 00:03:45,683 --> 00:03:48,519 and make sure we select the subject matters that can bring Mejía down. 53 00:03:49,312 --> 00:03:52,315 This site is really easy to hack because they don't have firewalls. 54 00:03:52,398 --> 00:03:55,652 I just have to replicate the answers in a single question. 55 00:03:56,277 --> 00:03:57,946 Are we sure we're not running 56 00:03:58,029 --> 00:04:00,657 the risk of Mejía losing so many votes that Magda might surpass him? 57 00:04:01,991 --> 00:04:03,660 That's a risk we'll have to take. 58 00:04:04,953 --> 00:04:06,704 Does this have anything to do with Pablo winning? 59 00:04:08,623 --> 00:04:09,916 It's a domino effect. 60 00:04:09,999 --> 00:04:11,960 What we need here is for Mejía to realize 61 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:14,170 that he needs me to reach the presidency. 62 00:04:15,755 --> 00:04:16,798 Look. 63 00:04:18,091 --> 00:04:21,302 Edit this per my instructions. Send it to Mejía. 64 00:04:21,386 --> 00:04:23,054 Let me make a phone call and I'll be right back to explain how. 65 00:04:23,137 --> 00:04:24,138 OK. 66 00:04:28,601 --> 00:04:30,270 -What's up? -Hi, how are you? 67 00:04:30,353 --> 00:04:31,646 -Fine. -How's it going? 68 00:04:33,648 --> 00:04:34,649 What's this? 69 00:04:35,024 --> 00:04:38,111 Well, this is the evidence that Santiago was stealing materials from us. 70 00:04:40,238 --> 00:04:43,992 I don't know why or who he was doing it for, but it's all there. 71 00:04:49,414 --> 00:04:51,749 Son of a bitch. I can't believe it. 72 00:04:53,042 --> 00:04:54,877 I mean, David, he's been stealing from us for years. 73 00:04:56,004 --> 00:04:58,589 I don't understand how these people can look you in the eye after stealing. 74 00:04:59,132 --> 00:05:01,092 Well, he didn't report what he was taking. 75 00:05:01,175 --> 00:05:04,053 He'd just say that he was falling short on materials. 76 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:05,555 Yes, but what was his excuse? 77 00:05:05,930 --> 00:05:07,015 Just about everything. 78 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:13,187 He'd say the estimates were wrong, that bad weather caused activities to stop... 79 00:05:15,148 --> 00:05:17,191 Anyway, that shows everything he stole from us. 80 00:05:23,156 --> 00:05:24,907 Thank God Dad's not alive to see this. 81 00:05:26,117 --> 00:05:27,327 He trusted Santiago. 82 00:05:27,744 --> 00:05:31,289 You know what, Pablo? I think that towards the end, he was suspicious. 83 00:05:37,128 --> 00:05:38,504 Ugh, this can't be. 84 00:05:42,884 --> 00:05:44,135 Thank you, brother. 85 00:05:45,470 --> 00:05:46,637 You did a great job. 86 00:05:47,930 --> 00:05:49,390 I still don't think this will be enough 87 00:05:49,474 --> 00:05:51,809 to protect myself from Guillermo's threats. 88 00:05:54,812 --> 00:05:56,898 Mejía is not strong in 89 00:05:56,981 --> 00:05:59,567 education, diversity and urban planning. 90 00:06:01,027 --> 00:06:03,362 We can already spy on Sofía live. Check this out. 91 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,950 -Well, the voting is closed... -Wow. 92 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:11,746 and the subjects for debate are confirmed as follows. 93 00:06:12,955 --> 00:06:19,212 Diversity, education, health, urban planning and unemployment. 94 00:06:20,588 --> 00:06:23,591 We're not strong in three of these subjects. 95 00:06:23,674 --> 00:06:25,093 How wonderful. 96 00:06:25,718 --> 00:06:29,097 Honestly, it's as though they were hand-picked by the opponents. 97 00:06:29,180 --> 00:06:30,264 He guessed right! 98 00:06:30,348 --> 00:06:31,557 We need to prepare twice as hard. 99 00:06:32,266 --> 00:06:35,311 Or we can call the station to change the questions. 100 00:06:37,438 --> 00:06:40,525 Well, that'd be great, but we can't, Dad. It's public. 101 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:43,027 Don't say that, sis. 102 00:06:43,111 --> 00:06:44,821 Yes, I will, bro. 103 00:06:44,904 --> 00:06:48,324 Keep your mouth shut unless you have a serious contribution. 104 00:06:48,908 --> 00:06:50,243 Shut your mouth. 105 00:06:51,285 --> 00:06:56,249 Let me suggest you all use your brains. Won't hurt you once in a while. 106 00:06:56,707 --> 00:06:59,961 To help me see if I can face this debate. 107 00:07:00,044 --> 00:07:02,964 If we can face this debate. You're not alone in this. 108 00:07:04,382 --> 00:07:05,633 That's true, Dad. 109 00:07:06,676 --> 00:07:10,304 You should listen more often to a woman as educated as Liliana. 110 00:07:11,389 --> 00:07:14,142 Otherwise, why did you choose her for your vice-presidential candidate? 111 00:07:15,601 --> 00:07:19,605 Well, after using my brain, I think that I could... 112 00:07:20,356 --> 00:07:24,944 collect statistics to support what you'll say during the debate. 113 00:07:25,027 --> 00:07:27,738 That'll help us speak more clearly and eloquently. 114 00:07:28,823 --> 00:07:31,909 Yes, but be careful. This won't be like the youth debate. 115 00:07:31,993 --> 00:07:34,162 You won't have anyone whispering in your ear this time on an intercom 116 00:07:34,245 --> 00:07:36,205 telling you how to address each subject. 117 00:07:36,706 --> 00:07:38,958 All I want is for you all to do your jobs. 118 00:07:40,001 --> 00:07:42,044 I'll make sure to do mine during the debate. 119 00:07:43,004 --> 00:07:45,506 I still don't think these subjects are all that bad. 120 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,758 I mean, I know diversity very well 121 00:07:47,842 --> 00:07:48,885 and people know that. 122 00:07:48,968 --> 00:07:51,429 Urban planning, well, yes, Pablo... 123 00:07:51,512 --> 00:07:53,639 Pablo de la Torre is stronger than we are in that regard. 124 00:07:53,723 --> 00:07:55,516 But I also have some experience in education. 125 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,311 I worked at the ministry and, well, I worked with young people in lower... 126 00:07:58,394 --> 00:07:59,270 You... 127 00:08:00,229 --> 00:08:01,314 You. 128 00:08:01,898 --> 00:08:04,317 When I speak about what I do, I speak on behalf of the party. 129 00:08:08,237 --> 00:08:12,366 Yes, but you sound like you know more than I do. 130 00:08:13,367 --> 00:08:14,577 I do in these particular subjects. 131 00:08:16,245 --> 00:08:17,622 Why? Does it bother you? 132 00:08:18,498 --> 00:08:20,291 -I thought we were a team. -We are. 133 00:08:21,834 --> 00:08:24,295 But I am the person in charge. 134 00:08:25,463 --> 00:08:26,464 Make no mistake. 135 00:08:29,425 --> 00:08:32,178 One woman has left and it turns out... 136 00:08:33,429 --> 00:08:37,266 I'm surrounded, and it's not exactly by water. 137 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:44,398 I want proposals and solid answers... 138 00:08:45,483 --> 00:08:46,859 on these subjects. 139 00:08:55,451 --> 00:08:57,954 That dude is so ungrateful to Sofía. 140 00:09:02,625 --> 00:09:04,585 What's happening to her is getting to you, isn't it? 141 00:09:06,087 --> 00:09:07,129 No. 142 00:09:09,298 --> 00:09:11,467 But I don't like injustice. You know that. 143 00:09:12,718 --> 00:09:14,428 And she works very hard and he doesn't notice it. 144 00:09:17,181 --> 00:09:19,600 Remember that you're getting close to Sofía 145 00:09:19,684 --> 00:09:21,978 solely for our plan with Analía. 146 00:09:23,145 --> 00:09:25,106 And once this comes out, well, she'll know. 147 00:09:25,648 --> 00:09:27,275 Just so you're clear about this. 148 00:09:40,496 --> 00:09:43,040 MAGDA MENSES'S SURPRISING RISE IN OPINION POLLS 149 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:46,210 How are you? 150 00:09:48,004 --> 00:09:49,255 Are you working? 151 00:09:49,922 --> 00:09:50,965 Non-stop. 152 00:09:52,341 --> 00:09:54,343 I'm here to ask how you're doing. 153 00:09:54,427 --> 00:09:56,637 I'm worried because you look very upset. 154 00:09:57,096 --> 00:09:59,015 Nothing upsets me, Sofía. 155 00:09:59,348 --> 00:10:02,727 It's just that, unless I get you all going, you do nothing and that's... 156 00:10:03,644 --> 00:10:05,730 that worries me. Before... 157 00:10:12,236 --> 00:10:13,487 Why don't you call Analía? 158 00:10:17,491 --> 00:10:18,993 She's no longer with Pablo. 159 00:10:21,412 --> 00:10:24,206 Dad, Analía helped you a lot. 160 00:10:24,915 --> 00:10:26,834 All of us. And she had you at the top. 161 00:10:32,089 --> 00:10:34,884 Sorry to insist, but the elections are soon, 162 00:10:34,967 --> 00:10:37,470 and you can't afford to lose your best advisor. 163 00:10:37,553 --> 00:10:39,138 She gave you confidence. 164 00:10:39,221 --> 00:10:40,598 And she betrayed me. 165 00:10:41,390 --> 00:10:43,434 Don't be naive, Sofía. 166 00:10:44,101 --> 00:10:45,269 Honestly. 167 00:10:46,187 --> 00:10:47,563 The copy. 168 00:10:48,356 --> 00:10:52,485 There's nothing else to say about it. No one is indispensable here. 169 00:10:53,486 --> 00:10:54,570 And that's that. 170 00:11:00,785 --> 00:11:02,953 Yes, sir. Excuse me. 171 00:11:18,469 --> 00:11:19,804 -Hello. -Hello. 172 00:11:21,055 --> 00:11:22,390 Um, I brought this for you. 173 00:11:22,473 --> 00:11:23,808 -For me? -Yes. 174 00:11:23,891 --> 00:11:25,726 Oh, thank you. Great. 175 00:11:26,602 --> 00:11:27,645 Tired? 176 00:11:28,687 --> 00:11:31,482 And, uh... Well, more than tired... 177 00:11:32,900 --> 00:11:35,903 I haven't found my place here. 178 00:11:37,405 --> 00:11:40,783 Right now I should be painting, designing, instead of... 179 00:11:40,866 --> 00:11:45,413 instead of reading, especially politics, which I don't understand shit about. 180 00:11:45,496 --> 00:11:47,248 -You feel out of place, don't you? -A bit, yes. 181 00:11:47,915 --> 00:11:49,333 Well, don't be afraid. 182 00:11:49,875 --> 00:11:51,377 We're all political beings. 183 00:11:51,710 --> 00:11:54,630 Everyone should get into politics. Fight for their ideas. 184 00:11:55,089 --> 00:11:56,674 The world would be a better place. Trust me. 185 00:11:57,258 --> 00:11:58,342 What do you paint? 186 00:12:01,762 --> 00:12:03,139 It's not easy to explain. 187 00:12:03,889 --> 00:12:05,850 -But I can show you. -Yes? 188 00:12:07,059 --> 00:12:08,477 In fact, let me show you the last one I made. 189 00:12:08,561 --> 00:12:09,562 Let's see. 190 00:12:12,314 --> 00:12:13,315 It's not finished. 191 00:12:17,194 --> 00:12:18,612 -This one? -Yes. 192 00:12:19,363 --> 00:12:20,448 Wow. 193 00:12:21,991 --> 00:12:23,117 It's really cool. 194 00:12:28,330 --> 00:12:29,331 See this here? 195 00:12:31,417 --> 00:12:32,418 It's a woman. 196 00:12:38,841 --> 00:12:40,009 Amazing. 197 00:12:42,219 --> 00:12:43,220 Thank you. 198 00:12:45,514 --> 00:12:46,515 Hmm... 199 00:12:47,808 --> 00:12:50,853 Well, I'm kind of hungry. Do you... 200 00:12:50,936 --> 00:12:54,565 There's a place around here, and the food is great. 201 00:12:54,648 --> 00:12:56,817 We could, I don't know, have something to drink. 202 00:12:59,111 --> 00:13:00,571 No, thank you. 203 00:13:00,988 --> 00:13:02,907 I really have a lot of work to do. 204 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:05,910 Actually, I'm only here to get these papers. I have to take work home. 205 00:13:05,993 --> 00:13:07,620 But... thank you. 206 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,038 It's fine. 207 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:14,877 Some other time? Soon? 208 00:13:18,047 --> 00:13:19,089 Yes, sure. 209 00:13:26,764 --> 00:13:28,265 Mejía misses you. 210 00:13:28,349 --> 00:13:31,227 He won't acknowledge it, but he's giving everyone a hard time. 211 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:33,229 -They don't measure up. -Well, that's fine. 212 00:13:33,646 --> 00:13:36,065 Still, I think he's too arrogant to hire me back, so... 213 00:13:36,148 --> 00:13:39,151 I think it depends. If he keeps getting on like that with everyone... 214 00:13:39,652 --> 00:13:40,653 It's a possibility. 215 00:13:42,988 --> 00:13:44,615 Then let's push him to the edge. 216 00:13:46,450 --> 00:13:49,328 Why don't we run a little disinformation campaign? 217 00:13:50,287 --> 00:13:52,248 Fake memes about the gay community, 218 00:13:52,331 --> 00:13:53,457 education subsidy... 219 00:13:53,541 --> 00:13:54,917 -Easy. -Right? 220 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,836 Great. I don't know, I can think of something like... 221 00:13:58,712 --> 00:14:02,800 a meme about Mejía, arms up, and it should read "I am the change." 222 00:14:02,883 --> 00:14:04,301 Although we know he isn't. 223 00:14:04,385 --> 00:14:07,471 Or, "Breaking news: I said yes to everyone." 224 00:14:09,223 --> 00:14:12,434 Oh, come on, please, leave the memes to me. 225 00:14:12,518 --> 00:14:14,562 -I mean, those are terrible. -Oh, they're great. 226 00:14:14,645 --> 00:14:16,522 -No, terrible. No, no, no. -Oh, but what... 227 00:14:16,605 --> 00:14:18,107 GUILLERMO LEÓN MEJÍA ANNOUNCES HIS PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE 228 00:14:18,190 --> 00:14:21,277 That is so 1982 of you. 229 00:14:22,444 --> 00:14:24,613 Oh, come on, have a laugh. 230 00:14:25,072 --> 00:14:26,323 Send him the video. 231 00:14:40,462 --> 00:14:41,380 FROM FABIOLA TO MY FRIEND MEJÍA 232 00:14:41,463 --> 00:14:42,923 What the hell is this? 233 00:14:45,843 --> 00:14:47,052 Come see this. 234 00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:52,308 If anything happens to me, 235 00:14:52,891 --> 00:14:57,021 Mr. Guillermo Mejía is the person directly responsible. 236 00:14:58,188 --> 00:15:01,859 Presidential Candidate of the Democratic Force Party. 237 00:15:05,821 --> 00:15:08,657 IF YOU AGREE NOT TO HURT EACH OTHER, 238 00:15:08,741 --> 00:15:11,160 TEXT THE LETTER "M" TO THIS NUMBER... 239 00:15:15,623 --> 00:15:20,169 Am I going to have to put up with this hag the rest of my life? 240 00:15:21,462 --> 00:15:23,213 No, sir. I can finish the job. 241 00:15:28,636 --> 00:15:29,720 You what? 242 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:31,889 You'll find and kill her? 243 00:15:33,182 --> 00:15:35,309 Do you think everything in life can be solved that way? 244 00:15:36,101 --> 00:15:37,811 Didn't you see what she just sent me? 245 00:15:40,731 --> 00:15:42,650 We need to leave this hag alone. 246 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:46,070 Actually, send her the message she wants. 247 00:15:48,614 --> 00:15:50,741 But it'd be a big mistake to let her live, sir. 248 00:15:53,661 --> 00:15:55,829 I don't think you understand, Engineer. 249 00:15:56,497 --> 00:16:01,126 There's no other choice right now. Just do as I say. 250 00:16:04,296 --> 00:16:06,507 -Did you get the number? -Yes. 251 00:16:17,017 --> 00:16:19,144 I hope Pablo doesn't show up. 252 00:16:20,479 --> 00:16:21,689 I don't think he will. 253 00:16:22,022 --> 00:16:25,109 He knows his and Pérez's reputation would be ruined. 254 00:16:25,192 --> 00:16:26,235 You'd speak up, right? 255 00:16:26,318 --> 00:16:27,277 Good morning, Mejía. 256 00:16:29,405 --> 00:16:30,781 -Pérez. -How are you? 257 00:16:32,157 --> 00:16:33,158 Pablo. 258 00:16:33,992 --> 00:16:35,577 Could I have a word, please? 259 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:43,168 -Hello. -Hello. 260 00:16:45,462 --> 00:16:48,757 You'll have to face the consequences of showing up here 261 00:16:49,425 --> 00:16:51,301 knowing what will happen. 262 00:16:52,011 --> 00:16:54,471 Well, if that's how you want to do things, Guillermo. 263 00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:57,558 I have something to tell the country too. 264 00:16:58,517 --> 00:17:01,812 I have information that Santiago, your campaign manager 265 00:17:01,895 --> 00:17:04,148 and now political strategist, has stolen from the construction company. 266 00:17:05,816 --> 00:17:09,111 I have no idea what you're talking about. 267 00:17:09,611 --> 00:17:12,156 Right, of course. I'm sure it was behind your back. 268 00:17:12,573 --> 00:17:13,741 But it's up to you, Guillermo. 269 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:18,912 I hope we have a fair debate. 270 00:17:19,329 --> 00:17:20,539 That's always the case with me. 271 00:17:20,622 --> 00:17:22,332 With you, it is. 272 00:17:23,125 --> 00:17:24,168 But it's not with Mejía. 273 00:17:24,626 --> 00:17:26,837 I've noticed that those who slander him the most 274 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,964 are the ones who fear him the most. Go figure. 275 00:17:29,757 --> 00:17:31,842 No one is afraid of anyone here. 276 00:17:33,302 --> 00:17:37,514 I hope we can work together some day, when I become president. 277 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:39,850 I don't think that'll happen, Ramiro. 278 00:17:41,351 --> 00:17:43,395 You and I are now on very different sides. 279 00:17:46,523 --> 00:17:48,734 Excuse me. Hello? 280 00:17:48,817 --> 00:17:50,736 The station will put to vote... 281 00:17:50,819 --> 00:17:52,112 -the subjects to be addressed... -Everything will be fine, honey. 282 00:17:52,196 --> 00:17:53,530 You never know with Mejía. 283 00:17:54,114 --> 00:17:57,242 No, the subjects we selected will make him look bad, you'll see. 284 00:17:58,243 --> 00:17:59,536 Voting will take place online, 285 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:00,996 on our website... 286 00:18:01,830 --> 00:18:04,124 Good morning to our audience, to our candidates and their 287 00:18:04,208 --> 00:18:07,294 vice presidential candidates. Joining us today we have: 288 00:18:07,377 --> 00:18:09,546 Mr. Ramiro Pérez and Mr. Pablo de la Torre 289 00:18:09,630 --> 00:18:11,381 from the Union and Renewal Party. 290 00:18:11,757 --> 00:18:14,468 And on the other side, Mr. Guillermo León Mejía 291 00:18:14,551 --> 00:18:17,304 and Ms. Liliana Camargo from the Democratic Force Party. 292 00:18:17,679 --> 00:18:21,058 Welcome, everyone, to this-- I can already tell-- 293 00:18:21,141 --> 00:18:24,102 very controversial, and why not, very interesting debate. 294 00:18:24,186 --> 00:18:27,648 This is the debate on The Ring on Orange Stereo. 295 00:18:27,731 --> 00:18:31,777 The Ring: the Truth Comes to Light. 296 00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:33,737 And we will start with you, Mr. Mejía. 297 00:18:33,821 --> 00:18:37,366 Well, first of all, thank you for coming. We barely managed to get you here. 298 00:18:37,449 --> 00:18:40,077 You were able to find some time in your busy schedule to visit us. 299 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,787 -How are you? -Thank you, Federico. Very well. 300 00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:44,873 Many, many thanks. Let's see, before we start, 301 00:18:45,457 --> 00:18:49,128 I really want to disclose something 302 00:18:49,711 --> 00:18:52,673 and I'd rather you hear it from me. 303 00:18:52,756 --> 00:18:56,593 It is also an exclusive for you and your entire audience. 304 00:18:57,427 --> 00:18:59,805 We're all ears, candidate. 305 00:19:00,722 --> 00:19:07,229 Yes, let's see, I had to... fire my political strategist, 306 00:19:07,312 --> 00:19:10,274 Miss Analía Guerrero... 307 00:19:11,316 --> 00:19:16,780 because I found out she had, or has, I'm not sure, 308 00:19:16,864 --> 00:19:21,535 a romantic relationship with Mr. Pablo de la Torre. 309 00:19:22,744 --> 00:19:26,665 The most serious part of this is that Mr. De la Torre 310 00:19:27,249 --> 00:19:29,084 put her there to spy on my campaign. 311 00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:35,716 So Miss Guerrero would pass on key information 312 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:39,094 to undermine my fight to win the presidency. 313 00:19:39,553 --> 00:19:42,472 Hold on. Hold on one moment, Mr. Mejía, 314 00:19:42,556 --> 00:19:46,143 because what you're saying has very serious implications. 315 00:19:46,226 --> 00:19:50,105 If I understood correctly... and we will give Mr. De la Torre the chance to speak. 316 00:19:50,188 --> 00:19:54,109 If I understand correctly, you are accusing Mr. De la Torre, 317 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:58,030 vice-presidential candidate of the Union and Renewal Party 318 00:19:58,113 --> 00:20:02,910 of having infiltrated your campaign via Miss Analía Guerrero, 319 00:20:02,993 --> 00:20:06,205 -who's your advisor? -Former advisor. 320 00:20:07,539 --> 00:20:09,249 Let me make that very clear. Former advisor. 321 00:20:09,333 --> 00:20:13,253 It really is very serious, extremely serious that Mr. De la Torre 322 00:20:13,921 --> 00:20:18,550 had to resort, together with Mr. Pérez, 323 00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:23,513 to this kind of dirty strategy, right? To beat me. 324 00:20:23,597 --> 00:20:28,435 Mr. Mejía, what you're saying is absolutely false. 325 00:20:28,518 --> 00:20:33,190 Well, but one moment, Mr. Pérez, because we're looking forward to hearing 326 00:20:33,273 --> 00:20:36,026 what Mr. De la Torre has to say about this. 327 00:20:36,109 --> 00:20:36,985 Well, Federico, first, 328 00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:39,238 let me thank you for inviting us to your station 329 00:20:39,321 --> 00:20:42,407 and thank the audience for joining us. 330 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:45,869 Thank you for tuning in. 331 00:20:46,578 --> 00:20:48,205 What the Senator... 332 00:20:48,664 --> 00:20:51,416 is saying is false and ridiculous. 333 00:20:51,917 --> 00:20:54,711 It is also false that I have infiltrated his campaign. 334 00:20:54,795 --> 00:20:55,837 Are you going to deny your mistress? 335 00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:57,381 Senator, I demand respect 336 00:20:57,464 --> 00:20:59,508 for someone who has worked very hard for your campaign. 337 00:20:59,591 --> 00:21:03,011 Very hard passing on information about me. Very hard. 338 00:21:03,095 --> 00:21:04,888 Listen, what the Senator is trying to do 339 00:21:04,972 --> 00:21:07,557 is to shake things up somehow, 340 00:21:07,641 --> 00:21:11,103 because he thinks that'll hurt our campaign. 341 00:21:11,186 --> 00:21:14,982 Sir, what you're saying is very serious. 342 00:21:15,649 --> 00:21:16,942 Do you have evidence? 343 00:21:18,527 --> 00:21:20,612 If you don't, let's just move on with the debate, 344 00:21:20,696 --> 00:21:22,072 which is what matters here, isn't it? 345 00:21:22,155 --> 00:21:25,867 But, wait a moment, Mr. Pérez, because I do believe, 346 00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:29,079 given the seriousness of what Mr. Mejía just said... 347 00:21:29,705 --> 00:21:32,749 And, look, we're getting loads of 348 00:21:32,833 --> 00:21:35,460 questions about it right now, all over the place. 349 00:21:35,544 --> 00:21:38,463 We need to clarify this issue. 350 00:21:38,547 --> 00:21:41,591 Mr. De la Torre, I will ask you directly. 351 00:21:41,675 --> 00:21:44,636 -Did you two have a relationship? -Yes, we did, Federico. 352 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,388 I have no problem confirming it. 353 00:21:47,514 --> 00:21:49,933 But what happened between Miss Guerrero and me 354 00:21:50,017 --> 00:21:53,353 was before joining Ramiro Pérez's campaign. 355 00:21:53,437 --> 00:21:55,772 Now, what I don't fully understand is, 356 00:21:55,856 --> 00:21:59,401 where is the Senator getting this ludicrous story 357 00:21:59,484 --> 00:22:01,611 about alleged political espionage? 358 00:22:01,695 --> 00:22:04,114 When all of us here know that Miss Guerrero, 359 00:22:04,197 --> 00:22:05,741 from the moment she started working for him, 360 00:22:06,325 --> 00:22:09,661 put him on top of almost every opinion poll out there. 361 00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:12,122 Yes, that's true. 362 00:22:13,415 --> 00:22:17,419 Well, precisely, Mr. De la Torre. If I were at the bottom, well, 363 00:22:17,502 --> 00:22:21,173 you wouldn't be interested in spying on me. 364 00:22:21,256 --> 00:22:25,177 But because I'm on top-- And why am I on top? 365 00:22:25,260 --> 00:22:29,931 Thanks to the many years of hard work 366 00:22:30,474 --> 00:22:34,102 that I have devoted to politics, right? 367 00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:35,854 People believe in me. 368 00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:38,065 They are not fooled. 369 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:42,986 They are not fooled when all of a sudden a politician... 370 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:46,364 What would we call you? An inexperienced politician, right? 371 00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:49,534 Inexperienced in politics like you. 372 00:22:49,618 --> 00:22:53,538 Look, Mr. De la Torre, I've worked on the city council, 373 00:22:53,622 --> 00:22:57,626 in Congress, as Senator, OK? 374 00:22:57,709 --> 00:23:00,378 Always serving my country. 375 00:23:00,462 --> 00:23:05,550 I've never improvised, like... like Mr. Pérez is doing, 376 00:23:05,634 --> 00:23:08,637 by choosing you as his running mate. 377 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,971 Improvising? 378 00:23:10,514 --> 00:23:13,517 I invite you to review the résumés of your opponents. 379 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:14,643 Study them! 380 00:23:15,102 --> 00:23:16,686 So you'll know who you're talking to, sir. 381 00:23:16,770 --> 00:23:19,189 I think it is others who are improvising, Ramiro. 382 00:23:19,272 --> 00:23:20,273 Still... 383 00:23:22,317 --> 00:23:25,070 Federico, I have vast experience in many areas 384 00:23:25,153 --> 00:23:26,655 in which the senator doesn't. 385 00:23:26,738 --> 00:23:29,908 I'm proud to be part of a great team that has shown 386 00:23:29,991 --> 00:23:32,619 we're not just the same old thing, right? 387 00:23:32,702 --> 00:23:34,663 And let me just make clear that Miss Guerrero and I never 388 00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:36,873 conspired against him. 389 00:23:36,957 --> 00:23:39,751 The senator has no evidence because there isn't any, 390 00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:42,087 and there isn't any because it never happened. 391 00:23:42,754 --> 00:23:45,590 Let's see, Mr. Mejía, let's be clear about this. 392 00:23:45,674 --> 00:23:47,592 Where's the evidence? What proof do you have? 393 00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:49,719 We're currently collecting it. 394 00:23:49,803 --> 00:23:52,222 -I think it's important... -I, to be honest... 395 00:23:52,305 --> 00:23:54,057 Excuse me, Ms. Camargo. 396 00:23:54,141 --> 00:23:56,601 Before moving on to that important subject, 397 00:23:56,685 --> 00:23:59,479 I would really like to clarify this whole issue 398 00:24:00,147 --> 00:24:02,816 with you, Mr. De la Torre, OK? 399 00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:07,237 Are you going to deny that you're a hypocrite when you say, for example, 400 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,030 or you deny... 401 00:24:09,489 --> 00:24:16,204 that you started your relationship with Miss Guerrero when you were still married? 402 00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:19,916 Mr. Mejía, that has nothing to do with politics, please. 403 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,251 -No, it does... -Be serious. 404 00:24:21,334 --> 00:24:22,586 -It does. -Be serious! 405 00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:26,173 I'm being very serious. You don't have to yell at me, Mr. Pérez. Relax. 406 00:24:26,256 --> 00:24:29,467 This helps us see the nature of 407 00:24:29,551 --> 00:24:33,847 your vice-presidential candidate, because Mr. De la Torre... 408 00:24:34,848 --> 00:24:38,143 prides himself on being righteous, doesn't he? 409 00:24:38,226 --> 00:24:40,645 Look at his demeanor. 410 00:24:41,062 --> 00:24:42,564 But he's a hypocrite! 411 00:24:42,898 --> 00:24:45,358 He's a hypocrite, and you know why? 412 00:24:45,442 --> 00:24:52,157 Because... and this really says a lot about you, Mr. Pérez, 413 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,453 and about your temperament for national leadership 414 00:24:56,536 --> 00:24:59,080 and the people you choose to join you. 415 00:24:59,164 --> 00:25:00,332 This is very serious! 416 00:25:00,957 --> 00:25:02,125 Well, let's see. 417 00:25:02,459 --> 00:25:03,585 Let's clarify this issue. 418 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:06,922 My relationship with Miss Guerrero began 419 00:25:07,505 --> 00:25:09,299 after I broke up with my ex-wife. 420 00:25:11,468 --> 00:25:14,721 And, yes. I fell deeply in love 421 00:25:14,804 --> 00:25:18,058 with a woman I treasured, a smart woman, truly capable... 422 00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:22,479 a very special woman. That's what Miss Guerrero means to me. 423 00:25:22,938 --> 00:25:26,399 Someone who won't be victimized by your threats, Senator. 424 00:25:27,192 --> 00:25:30,320 You can count on the votes of the employees at my companies 425 00:25:30,403 --> 00:25:32,656 and those of the dairy farmers' union. 426 00:25:32,739 --> 00:25:35,951 Well, Alberto, I'm thankful for your support. 427 00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:40,038 And, forgive me, but, all of this kindness in exchange for what? 428 00:25:40,747 --> 00:25:41,873 Certainty. 429 00:25:41,957 --> 00:25:43,708 Promise me I'll win all the contracts 430 00:25:43,792 --> 00:25:46,586 to supply dairy products to the public schools nationwide. 431 00:25:47,254 --> 00:25:48,380 Consider it done. 432 00:25:48,463 --> 00:25:52,342 Now it's your turn to excuse me, because words in politics are not enough. 433 00:25:52,425 --> 00:25:54,970 Let's sign an agreement. 434 00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:57,514 I'll keep my word, you'll keep your word. 435 00:25:58,890 --> 00:26:01,101 It's all set on my end. 436 00:26:01,184 --> 00:26:02,519 Here's to a better country. 437 00:26:03,311 --> 00:26:04,521 Cheers to that. 438 00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:07,107 -Are you going to deny it? -Sir, sir... 439 00:26:07,482 --> 00:26:10,443 I demand respect, please. 440 00:26:10,527 --> 00:26:12,529 -I'm not being disrespectful. -Of course you are! 441 00:26:12,612 --> 00:26:13,738 No, I certainly am not! 442 00:26:14,572 --> 00:26:16,283 -Froggy, what's up? -How are you? 443 00:26:17,117 --> 00:26:18,576 I need you to do me a favor since 444 00:26:18,660 --> 00:26:20,203 I'm sure there aren't too many people there, at the headquarters. 445 00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:22,539 Yes, that's right. It's almost empty. 446 00:26:23,957 --> 00:26:26,584 Listen closely. Go to Mejía's office. 447 00:26:26,668 --> 00:26:29,671 And look for a document Fabiola drafted for someone called Belandia. 448 00:26:30,755 --> 00:26:32,757 Yes, yes. OK. Yes. 449 00:26:32,841 --> 00:26:36,636 In this document, Mejía promises Belandia the Ministry of Wellbeing 450 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,306 in exchange for the votes of all the employees at his food company. 451 00:26:39,931 --> 00:26:41,891 Yes, Froggy, I'll look for it. 452 00:26:42,309 --> 00:26:44,894 It's easy. Fabiola told me it's in that cabinet next to the door 453 00:26:44,978 --> 00:26:47,647 where he keeps the scotch. Second drawer. 454 00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:49,524 -Got it. -Good. Bye. 455 00:26:49,607 --> 00:26:51,985 Currently, I have no relationship at all 456 00:26:52,068 --> 00:26:53,987 -with Miss Guerrero. -False. 457 00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:55,071 They saw you together two days ago. 458 00:26:55,155 --> 00:26:57,157 Just for that. To put an end to what we had. 459 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:58,700 -Yes, I'm sure. -Just for that. 460 00:26:58,783 --> 00:26:59,993 But I repeat. 461 00:27:00,076 --> 00:27:02,287 There was no conspiracy, and there was nothing illegal. 462 00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:06,207 We'll now let voters decide what's so serious about this situation. 463 00:27:06,624 --> 00:27:09,419 It was just a romantic relationship. 464 00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:13,298 Now, I do understand why the senator is throwing a tantrum. 465 00:27:13,673 --> 00:27:14,841 I understand that perfectly well, 466 00:27:14,924 --> 00:27:18,470 because he probably realizes now the terrible mistake he made 467 00:27:18,553 --> 00:27:21,181 by kicking someone as valuable as Miss Guerrero out of his campaign. 468 00:27:21,264 --> 00:27:24,726 I don't work with traitors, Mr. De la Torre. 469 00:27:25,060 --> 00:27:27,020 And, I really... 470 00:27:28,146 --> 00:27:31,649 And let me tell you that voters are not fools. 471 00:27:32,233 --> 00:27:33,651 They are not fools at all. 472 00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:39,407 And I'm sure that very soon they will find out who's lying. 473 00:27:39,491 --> 00:27:41,326 Good for Pablo. He's infuriating him. 474 00:27:41,409 --> 00:27:44,204 Yes. I hope he keeps it up, because Mejía never considers the consequences 475 00:27:44,287 --> 00:27:45,705 of what he says when he's in a bad mood. 476 00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:48,875 As I see it, the one who's making a big mistake 477 00:27:48,958 --> 00:27:50,293 and putting his foot in his mouth is you, Senator. 478 00:27:50,377 --> 00:27:53,046 Because you're here, making terrible accusations 479 00:27:53,129 --> 00:27:55,882 about alleged political espionage with no evidence in hand. 480 00:27:55,965 --> 00:27:56,841 I think this is serious. 481 00:27:56,925 --> 00:27:59,636 Let me ask you, Federico, to please consider this matter... 482 00:28:00,387 --> 00:28:01,679 closed, OK? 483 00:28:01,763 --> 00:28:04,933 What happened between Miss Guerrero and me is part of my private life. 484 00:28:05,725 --> 00:28:07,560 And I'm not here to discuss gossip. 485 00:28:07,644 --> 00:28:10,188 Look, I demand respect. I'm not a gossip. 486 00:28:10,271 --> 00:28:12,941 If I brought this up here, it's because 487 00:28:13,024 --> 00:28:19,322 your personal life is affecting my professional life. 488 00:28:19,406 --> 00:28:21,366 Make no mistake. You turned this 489 00:28:21,449 --> 00:28:27,205 into a political issue the public should know about, 490 00:28:27,288 --> 00:28:33,503 because you used my strategist, my advisor, 491 00:28:33,586 --> 00:28:36,631 -to leak information from my campaign... -Oh my God, please. 492 00:28:36,714 --> 00:28:40,343 ...Mr. De la Torre, and to spy on me. 493 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,430 This is a clear case of a dishonest person who thinks everyone else is the same. 494 00:28:43,513 --> 00:28:48,601 Because if there's anyone here who's been involved with corruption 495 00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:51,730 it's you, Senator. Since you were a councilman. 496 00:28:54,315 --> 00:28:55,692 What the hell is Pablo talking about? 497 00:28:55,775 --> 00:28:57,944 -What you said is serious... -Of course it is serious. 498 00:28:58,361 --> 00:28:59,320 He's just rambling. 499 00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:03,491 I've always been a very clear and transparent person, 500 00:29:03,575 --> 00:29:06,202 -and all my supporters know it. -Sure, it seems that way. 501 00:29:06,828 --> 00:29:10,248 -Someone else has always taken the fall. -You're speaking without evidence. 502 00:29:10,331 --> 00:29:11,833 You've always blamed third parties. 503 00:29:12,959 --> 00:29:15,420 But one of these days you'll run out of luck, Senator. 504 00:29:16,379 --> 00:29:18,214 Listen, cut it out with your empty threats... 505 00:29:18,298 --> 00:29:20,216 Right on! He put him against the ropes. Honestly... 506 00:29:20,592 --> 00:29:22,010 He got him! 507 00:29:22,635 --> 00:29:24,721 That killer always lands on his feet. 508 00:29:24,804 --> 00:29:29,684 ...you're trying to deflect attention from your lack of ethics and morals. 509 00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:32,395 No, not at all, Senator. I said it because I have evidence. 510 00:29:33,646 --> 00:29:36,483 Because, unlike you, I don't slander people. 511 00:29:37,066 --> 00:29:39,068 Evidence of what specifically, Mr. De la Torre? 512 00:29:39,152 --> 00:29:40,195 Look. 513 00:29:40,945 --> 00:29:43,615 Look, Federico. I have with me invoices that have been altered 514 00:29:43,698 --> 00:29:46,659 from the De La Torre construction company, a company that belongs to my family, 515 00:29:46,993 --> 00:29:50,079 and where, until recently, Mr. Santiago Castiblanco worked. 516 00:29:50,997 --> 00:29:53,249 He heads the senator's campaign. 517 00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:56,419 Who's also a relative of yours, right? Your cousin, if I'm not mistaken. 518 00:29:56,503 --> 00:29:59,297 Yes, my cousin. First cousin. It's very sad, don't you think? 519 00:29:59,380 --> 00:30:01,007 Look at who he's badmouthing. 520 00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:04,803 The question is how can voters be certain... 521 00:30:05,553 --> 00:30:09,349 that the senator here with us will govern in a transparent manner 522 00:30:09,766 --> 00:30:12,769 knowing that he has a thief as his campaign manager? 523 00:30:14,103 --> 00:30:19,234 This evidence will be submitted to the justice system and 524 00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:21,736 Mr. Santiago Castiblanco will be charged with embezzlement. 525 00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:25,031 Do they really have evidence against you? 526 00:30:27,992 --> 00:30:30,495 No... No, I've done nothing. 527 00:30:30,578 --> 00:30:31,538 No. 528 00:30:32,121 --> 00:30:38,002 ...if that's true, I'll be the first one to see the case through 529 00:30:38,086 --> 00:30:40,922 till the bitter end, with all the legal consequences. 530 00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:42,924 He's going to use something as a distraction. Watch. 531 00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:46,928 But... I highly doubt it. 532 00:30:47,011 --> 00:30:52,350 I don't believe in this desperate ploy of Mr. De la Torre's. 533 00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:54,978 Sure, you're going to deny a document that actually shows the proof. 534 00:30:55,436 --> 00:30:56,604 Very typical of you, Senator. 535 00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:59,899 The company belongs to your family, right? 536 00:30:59,983 --> 00:31:02,777 So you could just draft any document you want 537 00:31:03,111 --> 00:31:08,783 to question the integrity of Mr. Santiago Castiblanco. 538 00:31:10,243 --> 00:31:12,078 We need to remember that. 539 00:31:13,121 --> 00:31:15,123 We'll be back in a moment. 540 00:31:16,207 --> 00:31:19,586 This is the debate on The Ring on Orange Stereo. 541 00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:22,880 The Ring: the Truth Comes to Light. 542 00:31:22,964 --> 00:31:24,340 How are we doing on social media? 543 00:31:24,716 --> 00:31:27,176 Well, they were pretty even at the start, and then Pablo was ahead, 544 00:31:27,260 --> 00:31:29,846 until he mentioned he had been with you while he was married. 545 00:31:31,472 --> 00:31:34,392 Bunch of gossips. That's basically all they care about. 546 00:31:34,475 --> 00:31:36,269 It's not that simple. 547 00:31:36,978 --> 00:31:38,855 Mejía knows he's showing people 548 00:31:38,938 --> 00:31:41,983 that what happened between Analía and Pablo is immoral behavior. 549 00:31:42,483 --> 00:31:43,401 That has an effect on people. 550 00:31:43,484 --> 00:31:46,029 Especially on the more conservative voters. 551 00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:48,239 How are you? Did you get it? 552 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,158 Barely, Froggy. 553 00:31:50,783 --> 00:31:52,744 But look at the picture I just sent you. 554 00:31:53,161 --> 00:31:54,203 You're the best. 555 00:31:54,954 --> 00:31:56,039 Thank you. 556 00:31:58,166 --> 00:31:59,584 What happened? What are you looking at? 557 00:32:01,711 --> 00:32:03,004 New strategy. 558 00:32:04,339 --> 00:32:05,381 What? 559 00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:10,637 I'm not going to let Pablo lose more votes so Mejía wins this. 560 00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:12,764 Call the station. I'm going to talk. 561 00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:16,267 Analía, are you sure? 562 00:32:18,311 --> 00:32:20,521 Yes, I know what I'm doing. 563 00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:25,568 Mom, I've been preparing for this my whole life. 564 00:32:25,652 --> 00:32:28,321 To fight Mejía, first from the shadows, then face to face. 565 00:32:30,573 --> 00:32:31,658 I know how to play this game too. 566 00:32:32,909 --> 00:32:34,702 You know what that call could cost you, right? 567 00:32:34,786 --> 00:32:36,120 Perfectly well. Yes. 568 00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:38,581 I probably won't go back to Mejía's campaign and... 569 00:32:39,207 --> 00:32:42,085 And I'm probably jeopardizing my career as an advisor. 570 00:32:42,168 --> 00:32:44,420 You'll lose everything because of that monster. 571 00:32:44,504 --> 00:32:45,630 So? 572 00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,049 I don't care anymore. 573 00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:50,843 I've been afraid of Mejía my entire life. 574 00:32:51,719 --> 00:32:53,429 It's time for him to be afraid of me. 575 00:32:53,513 --> 00:32:54,514 Don't you think? 576 00:32:58,768 --> 00:33:01,479 We're still here, as many of you are, 577 00:33:01,854 --> 00:33:05,775 hooked on this morning's debate. 578 00:33:05,858 --> 00:33:08,778 A debate that started in a somewhat unusual way, 579 00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:13,366 given the two revelations made, which have compromised 580 00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:16,452 the presidential campaigns of our two candidates. 581 00:33:16,536 --> 00:33:19,330 We have someone who wants to comment on the air 582 00:33:19,414 --> 00:33:21,541 on what happened here this morning. 583 00:33:21,958 --> 00:33:25,670 We're live, talking to Miss Analía Guerrero... 584 00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:27,880 -No, no, no. -...Mr. Mejía's former advisor. 585 00:33:27,964 --> 00:33:32,719 No, no, no, I can't. I mean, this really looks like a conspiracy. 586 00:33:33,094 --> 00:33:35,596 It looks like a conspiracy, I mean, 587 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:41,644 all this call will show is that Miss Analía Guerrero 588 00:33:41,728 --> 00:33:45,815 and Mr. De la Torre have really come together 589 00:33:45,898 --> 00:33:49,402 to set me up and ruin my campaign. Oh my God, come on. 590 00:33:49,485 --> 00:33:51,320 Miss Guerrero, good morning. 591 00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:53,489 Thank you for calling us. 592 00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:55,074 We're listening. 593 00:33:55,992 --> 00:33:58,494 Federico, good morning. Thank you for letting me do this. 594 00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:01,748 I want to take the opportunity to talk to the audience 595 00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:04,042 and tell voters the truth, 596 00:34:04,125 --> 00:34:06,461 which is not what Mr. Mejía is saying. 597 00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:08,755 Hold on, one moment. Are you denying all of the accusations 598 00:34:08,838 --> 00:34:11,466 Mr. Mejía made here, on this show? 599 00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:13,092 Absolutely. 600 00:34:13,176 --> 00:34:16,054 Pablo de la Torre and I never exchanged information about the campaigns. 601 00:34:16,471 --> 00:34:18,347 And I also want to take this opportunity 602 00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:21,768 to tell everyone that I wasn't fired. 603 00:34:22,185 --> 00:34:28,065 -I quit. -False. That's completely false. Dear God. 604 00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:30,568 Mr. Mejía, excuse me, let us talk to her. 605 00:34:30,651 --> 00:34:35,907 Miss Guerrero, why did you quit as Mr. Mejía's political strategist? 606 00:34:36,574 --> 00:34:38,576 Well, because I really don't agree 607 00:34:38,659 --> 00:34:41,204 with Mr. Mejía's actions during the campaign. 608 00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:46,250 Miss Guerrero, which actions in particular 609 00:34:46,334 --> 00:34:49,587 did you not agree with while you were working with Mr. Mejía? 610 00:34:50,046 --> 00:34:52,548 I'm going to break my code of professional ethics 611 00:34:52,632 --> 00:34:55,218 and I'm probably jeopardizing my career. 612 00:34:55,843 --> 00:34:57,720 But this is unfortunately what Guillermo has pushed me to do 613 00:34:57,804 --> 00:35:00,473 with the slander and lies he's telling on your show. 614 00:35:00,848 --> 00:35:03,434 My ethics go beyond a non-disclosure agreement. 615 00:35:03,518 --> 00:35:06,854 That's why we should talk about the alliances Mr. Mejía has forged. 616 00:35:07,605 --> 00:35:12,235 Someone who prides himself on being honest and transparent. 617 00:35:12,318 --> 00:35:15,696 Alliances with business people all across the country. 618 00:35:16,531 --> 00:35:19,242 Who, in exchange for the votes of all the employees at their companies, 619 00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:23,538 will get powerful positions in government if Mejía is elected. 620 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:26,165 This is absolutely false. 621 00:35:26,249 --> 00:35:31,003 Absolutely false. And I say this calmly, Miss Guerrero. 622 00:35:31,087 --> 00:35:34,799 I will see this through to the bitter end. 623 00:35:34,882 --> 00:35:37,552 Because you cannot tarnish the good name 624 00:35:37,635 --> 00:35:39,679 that I have earned after so many years in politics. 625 00:35:39,762 --> 00:35:41,139 This can't happen. It can't. 626 00:35:42,515 --> 00:35:44,934 Federico, I'll gladly send you the evidence. 627 00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:47,937 Thank you again for giving me this opportunity. 628 00:35:48,855 --> 00:35:49,689 Have a good day. 629 00:35:49,772 --> 00:35:51,899 Thank you, Miss Guerrero. 630 00:35:52,775 --> 00:35:54,944 That was a statement from Analía Guerrero, 631 00:35:55,027 --> 00:35:56,737 former advisor of Mr. Mejía. 632 00:35:57,446 --> 00:36:00,408 Miss Analía Guerrero's call 633 00:36:00,825 --> 00:36:04,328 reinforces everything I've said since the beginning. 634 00:36:04,662 --> 00:36:08,708 Miss Guerrero and Mr. De la Torre are conspiring to ruin 635 00:36:08,791 --> 00:36:11,836 my presidential campaign. 636 00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:16,007 Rest assured that we will follow up 637 00:36:16,549 --> 00:36:19,969 on the consequences of these accusations 638 00:36:20,052 --> 00:36:23,139 and the implications of what Miss Guerrero just told us. 639 00:36:23,598 --> 00:36:25,558 We don't have much time left. 640 00:36:26,142 --> 00:36:28,185 So I'd like to address the subjects 641 00:36:28,269 --> 00:36:30,146 the audience has selected for this debate. 642 00:36:30,229 --> 00:36:32,440 Are we ready, gentlemen, Ms. Camargo? 643 00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:34,275 -Of course. -Great. 644 00:36:34,358 --> 00:36:36,319 Federico, that's what we're here for, isn't it? 645 00:36:36,402 --> 00:36:38,779 To present our ideas. 646 00:36:38,863 --> 00:36:42,491 And that's what all the voters are waiting for. 647 00:36:42,575 --> 00:36:44,619 So we can all, together, build a better country. 648 00:36:44,702 --> 00:36:46,746 That's what this is all about, isn't it? So let's continue. 649 00:36:46,829 --> 00:36:50,374 Of course it is, Mr. Pérez. Let's start with Mr. Mejía. 650 00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:51,918 Are you ready, Mr. Mejía? 651 00:36:52,001 --> 00:36:54,337 Yes, of course. Always, Federico. Of course. 652 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:56,005 Very well. Let's begin with the first question 653 00:36:56,088 --> 00:36:57,131 selected by the audience. 654 00:36:57,214 --> 00:37:02,011 What will be your public policy in terms of same-sex adoption, Mr. Mejía? 655 00:37:03,012 --> 00:37:05,306 Let's see, Federico, when speaking about public policies 656 00:37:05,389 --> 00:37:09,185 we need to begin with the right arguments. 657 00:37:09,268 --> 00:37:11,646 And what are we talking about here? 658 00:37:12,146 --> 00:37:15,691 For many people, marriage is the union 659 00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:18,861 between a man and a woman. 660 00:37:18,945 --> 00:37:21,739 Now, we need to understand, that... 661 00:37:22,823 --> 00:37:27,119 and as voters already know, we, the Democratic Force Party, 662 00:37:27,203 --> 00:37:28,537 we want to... 663 00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:31,290 We want to work on diversity... 664 00:37:31,374 --> 00:37:34,460 Yes, basically, once we win the presidency, 665 00:37:34,543 --> 00:37:38,422 we're going to set up a ministry for equality and diversity, 666 00:37:38,506 --> 00:37:41,926 through which we will issue public policies that will, 667 00:37:42,009 --> 00:37:46,180 clearly include all members of society. 668 00:37:46,264 --> 00:37:48,766 We're already working on this, as of right now, 669 00:37:48,849 --> 00:37:50,643 with Miss Alejandra Mejía. 670 00:37:51,352 --> 00:37:52,478 Thank you, Ms. Camargo. 671 00:37:52,561 --> 00:37:56,065 Next question is for both candidates. 672 00:37:56,399 --> 00:37:58,567 If you win the presidency, 673 00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:00,569 what will you do about unemployment? 674 00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:02,405 -I'd like to start with... -First of all, 675 00:38:02,488 --> 00:38:07,451 let's dismiss the hostility of certain official polls and statistics. 676 00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:10,246 Look, I have it right here. 677 00:38:10,788 --> 00:38:16,919 According to the DANE, last year unemployment reached 8.9%. 678 00:38:17,003 --> 00:38:21,382 Which shows that the situation isn't really as complicated 679 00:38:21,465 --> 00:38:23,843 as some have tried to claim. 680 00:38:23,926 --> 00:38:25,469 Well, Senator, it's not about hostility. 681 00:38:26,762 --> 00:38:29,390 Our country is going through one of the worst economic downturns 682 00:38:29,473 --> 00:38:30,599 in history. 683 00:38:31,308 --> 00:38:34,312 And the currency devaluation rate is growing exponentially. 684 00:38:34,395 --> 00:38:36,355 Could you let me finish, please, Mr. De la Torre? 685 00:38:36,439 --> 00:38:38,065 Yes, yes, I'll let you finish, Senator. 686 00:38:38,149 --> 00:38:39,317 But the figure you've just mentioned 687 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,485 doesn't consider all of the economically active population... 688 00:38:41,569 --> 00:38:43,029 -Would you excuse me, Senator? -Would you... 689 00:38:43,112 --> 00:38:45,406 -you won't allow me. -You won't let me. 690 00:38:45,489 --> 00:38:48,034 Because the figures you're quoting are terribly wrong, Senator. 691 00:38:48,117 --> 00:38:51,245 -And that's why you won't let me finish? -Again, the figures you're quoting 692 00:38:51,328 --> 00:38:54,540 do not consider the entire economically active population. 693 00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:58,836 We'd be speaking of an unemployment rate of about 15%. 694 00:38:58,919 --> 00:39:02,173 Well, we propose tackling unemployment 695 00:39:02,256 --> 00:39:05,885 through four overarching strategies, and these are: 696 00:39:06,302 --> 00:39:08,637 One, strengthening the educational system. 697 00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:10,639 Gender equality. 698 00:39:10,723 --> 00:39:14,518 Also, establishing alliances with private companies. 699 00:39:14,602 --> 00:39:17,271 And, of course, the transformation of the production structure, 700 00:39:17,355 --> 00:39:20,316 to be able to attract foreign companies, 701 00:39:20,399 --> 00:39:23,611 thereby creating more jobs in the country. 702 00:39:23,694 --> 00:39:27,656 Thank you, Mr. Pérez. We have many questions left, 703 00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:30,743 but unfortunately, it's time for the next show. 704 00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:33,162 Thank you, 705 00:39:33,245 --> 00:39:35,331 Mr. Ramiro Pérez, Mr. Pablo de la Torre, 706 00:39:35,414 --> 00:39:38,834 Mr. Mejía and Ms. Camargo for joining us today... 707 00:39:39,377 --> 00:39:42,004 this was The Ring, and today more than ever, 708 00:39:42,088 --> 00:39:43,214 I think the name suits the show well. 709 00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:44,673 -See you tomorrow. -Thank you. 710 00:39:44,757 --> 00:39:48,344 The Ring: the Truth Comes to Light. 711 00:39:48,427 --> 00:39:50,930 -Thank you, Federico. -Have a good day, ma'am. 712 00:39:51,013 --> 00:39:51,931 Have a good day. 713 00:40:00,940 --> 00:40:01,899 Liliana. 714 00:40:02,858 --> 00:40:06,112 Don't ever interrupt or cut me off again 715 00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:09,073 in front of other people, OK? 716 00:40:09,698 --> 00:40:10,991 Don't be so unfair. 717 00:40:11,492 --> 00:40:13,369 You were distracted after Analía's call. 718 00:40:13,452 --> 00:40:14,537 Yes, that's true. 719 00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:16,163 You didn't even remember about the ministry. 720 00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:18,207 That's why I interrupted, because we were running out of time. 721 00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:20,918 But what matters here is whether Analía is telling the truth. 722 00:40:21,001 --> 00:40:22,586 Do you have agreements with business people? 723 00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:24,088 -Certainly not. -I hope you don't. 724 00:40:24,839 --> 00:40:26,298 Because I don't want to be on a campaign where 725 00:40:26,382 --> 00:40:28,050 I'll be facing charges of scandal and corruption. 726 00:40:28,134 --> 00:40:31,011 I've worked my entire life to get away from that. 727 00:40:31,095 --> 00:40:32,304 That won't happen. 728 00:40:32,721 --> 00:40:35,808 You can rest assured that you're in the right party 729 00:40:35,891 --> 00:40:38,310 to win the presidency honorably. 730 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:40,271 And yes. 731 00:40:41,814 --> 00:40:44,692 I'm upset. I'm upset because of Analía's betrayal. 732 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:46,527 I accept my mistake. 733 00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:48,028 I accept it. 734 00:40:48,612 --> 00:40:51,365 I thought I had hired someone with morals, but look. 735 00:40:51,782 --> 00:40:55,619 She was working with that moron, Pablo de la Torre, the whole time. 736 00:40:56,412 --> 00:40:58,998 That's why she lied. 737 00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:02,751 I apologize. 738 00:41:18,934 --> 00:41:21,145 Federico, I'll gladly send you the evidence. 739 00:41:23,063 --> 00:41:25,191 You've been with him since the beginning? 740 00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:27,776 And you've conspired to destroy me. 741 00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:29,862 -That's it! -No, not at all. Not at all. 742 00:41:30,404 --> 00:41:33,741 Think of everything we've done together, huh? 743 00:41:34,158 --> 00:41:36,327 Look at everything I've achieved for you. 744 00:41:36,410 --> 00:41:39,163 No one, absolutely no one in this campaign 745 00:41:39,246 --> 00:41:40,706 has been as loyal as I've been to you. 746 00:41:41,665 --> 00:41:42,666 No one, Guillermo. 747 00:41:45,002 --> 00:41:47,421 I'm the only one who can help you achieve your goals. 748 00:41:50,758 --> 00:41:54,136 So now it turns out you're indispensable, huh? 749 00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:55,971 I can put you in the president's chair. 750 00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:08,359 Subtitle translation by: Soledad Insiburo huh?