1 00:00:09,718 --> 00:00:11,928 [Ashley] After we left The Squad, 2 00:00:12,012 --> 00:00:15,265 Piper's video got posted about our kids. 3 00:00:16,057 --> 00:00:17,392 And that was hard. 4 00:00:17,475 --> 00:00:18,977 [tense music playing] 5 00:00:19,060 --> 00:00:22,105 The content on that video was 6 00:00:22,188 --> 00:00:24,357 Piper, Lev, Elliana, Emily. 7 00:00:25,066 --> 00:00:26,901 They were sitting on the edge Piper's bed. 8 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:33,074 And I remember Piper going through each of the kids 9 00:00:33,158 --> 00:00:36,745 and why these kids had left. 10 00:00:36,828 --> 00:00:39,414 I just have to say, you know, everyone that leaves The Squad, 11 00:00:39,497 --> 00:00:42,917 they always blame it on a toxic, you know, place, environment. 12 00:00:43,001 --> 00:00:45,086 It's really not. We're all really, really good friends. 13 00:00:45,170 --> 00:00:46,755 And we have a lot of fun. 14 00:00:46,838 --> 00:00:48,757 [Hunter] I'm not gonna sit here and let people say 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,050 that we're a toxic place. 16 00:00:50,133 --> 00:00:52,177 You could tell Piper is… 17 00:00:54,095 --> 00:00:55,096 Piper's uncomfortable. 18 00:00:55,764 --> 00:00:57,265 This was very coached. 19 00:00:57,348 --> 00:01:01,269 [Hunter] There's not me telling… no adult. There's no one controlling Piper, I swear. 20 00:01:01,978 --> 00:01:04,481 [Ashley] And now that I've been on the other side of these videos, 21 00:01:04,564 --> 00:01:06,983 you could tell that she was being very coached. 22 00:01:07,817 --> 00:01:13,114 In the video, she also unfollowed each of our kids. 23 00:01:13,198 --> 00:01:14,908 I'm on The Squad following page, 24 00:01:14,991 --> 00:01:17,077 and we're going to unfollow them right now. 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,120 First one here is Claire. 26 00:01:19,204 --> 00:01:21,122 Obviously, you know, she's my cousin, 27 00:01:21,206 --> 00:01:24,125 and we've had very, very, very fun times together. 28 00:01:26,086 --> 00:01:30,632 So our kids sat there and watched this, 29 00:01:31,341 --> 00:01:33,635 and watched the wrath of what was happening. 30 00:01:33,718 --> 00:01:35,011 And the comments… 31 00:01:37,764 --> 00:01:41,726 The hate comments were… horrible. 32 00:01:45,396 --> 00:01:47,524 [Claire] I was only 13, 33 00:01:47,607 --> 00:01:52,112 and I was getting hate from all across the world. 34 00:01:52,195 --> 00:01:54,197 I was in such a vulnerable place 35 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,283 where I was really internalizing what I was seeing. 36 00:01:59,452 --> 00:02:01,079 [Angela] These kids were being attacked. 37 00:02:01,162 --> 00:02:03,206 Like I call them, "the hate campaigns." 38 00:02:03,289 --> 00:02:07,085 I don't know if they were orchestrated by Tiffany or bots, 39 00:02:07,168 --> 00:02:10,672 or if they were real kids, but they were being attacked online. 40 00:02:11,756 --> 00:02:15,802 You think about kids in middle America, and they get bullied. 41 00:02:15,885 --> 00:02:18,721 This is a different level of bullying. 42 00:02:18,805 --> 00:02:22,058 This is not just 100 kids in your town. 43 00:02:22,142 --> 00:02:24,144 This is the whole world. 44 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:29,315 It definitely hurt a lot to see everything everybody was saying. 45 00:02:29,399 --> 00:02:32,152 It felt like I was being judged and criticized. 46 00:02:32,944 --> 00:02:34,612 [Sophie] I feel anger towards the situation 47 00:02:34,696 --> 00:02:37,615 'cause people will tag me in what "Piper said about me." 48 00:02:37,699 --> 00:02:39,450 And it's like, I know that's Tiffany. 49 00:02:39,534 --> 00:02:41,327 And you're lying to these fans, 50 00:02:41,411 --> 00:02:44,539 saying that that's your daughter talking, and it's not, it's you. 51 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:47,083 [Heather] Tiffany is on her phone, 52 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:50,170 talking shit to children under Piper's account. 53 00:02:50,753 --> 00:02:52,547 And she'd go into group chats. 54 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:57,135 She would start hate campaigns to go after whoever left The Squad at that time, 55 00:02:57,218 --> 00:02:59,762 and just setting up fan accounts. 56 00:02:59,846 --> 00:03:02,182 [Ashley] We know for a fact Tiffany was running fan accounts 57 00:03:02,265 --> 00:03:05,768 to speak ill of The Squad members that left. 58 00:03:06,561 --> 00:03:09,522 [Angela] My son is so devastated. 59 00:03:10,773 --> 00:03:12,275 I just would like her to stop. 60 00:03:13,276 --> 00:03:16,446 [voice breaks] Leave my kid alone. Leave these kids alone. 61 00:03:16,529 --> 00:03:19,449 Focus on your own. Just leave our kids alone. 62 00:03:23,745 --> 00:03:26,581 [intriguing electronic music playing] 63 00:03:29,751 --> 00:03:32,045 [bubbling] 64 00:03:32,128 --> 00:03:34,756 [rising whir] 65 00:03:34,839 --> 00:03:37,717 [ethereal whirring] 66 00:03:39,177 --> 00:03:40,678 [music fades] 67 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:48,561 [mouse clicking] 68 00:03:49,229 --> 00:03:51,189 [Angela] After we left The Squad, 69 00:03:51,272 --> 00:03:54,943 all of the kids' social media, especially their YouTube, 70 00:03:55,026 --> 00:03:58,071 was just tanking and getting no views. 71 00:03:58,571 --> 00:04:00,865 I was emailing YouTube 72 00:04:00,949 --> 00:04:03,660 and talking to people on Fiverr, trying to do SEO. 73 00:04:03,743 --> 00:04:07,914 I was trying to figure out what had happened to Sawyer's channel. 74 00:04:08,539 --> 00:04:10,792 [man] When did you start losing subscribers? 75 00:04:10,875 --> 00:04:14,295 So basically, Sawyer left on 15th February. 76 00:04:14,379 --> 00:04:17,674 And then, within two days, 77 00:04:18,383 --> 00:04:20,009 now we're losing subscribers. 78 00:04:20,093 --> 00:04:21,886 And hundreds of subscribers a day. 79 00:04:22,387 --> 00:04:26,266 Yeah. This is a… a really unusual falloff. 80 00:04:26,349 --> 00:04:32,438 Um… I would not expect to see, like, such a… a strong cutoff, 81 00:04:32,522 --> 00:04:34,774 unless there was an active campaign, 82 00:04:34,857 --> 00:04:38,778 where, you know, somebody… an influencer with influence over their audience 83 00:04:38,861 --> 00:04:40,989 would say, "Hey, go unsubscribe to this channel," right? 84 00:04:41,072 --> 00:04:42,949 We've seen that many times. 85 00:04:43,032 --> 00:04:46,661 But in this, for us, going negative within two days, 86 00:04:46,744 --> 00:04:49,330 the audience didn't even know that Sawyer had left. 87 00:04:49,414 --> 00:04:51,624 They were eventually told to unsubscribe, but… 88 00:04:51,708 --> 00:04:54,377 Fans didn't know Sawyer had left The Squad at this point. 89 00:04:54,460 --> 00:04:57,297 Yeah. Only, you know, Hunter and Tiffany. 90 00:04:57,380 --> 00:04:59,882 [intriguing music playing] 91 00:04:59,966 --> 00:05:03,720 [Ashley] We felt like they were doing this to our channels. 92 00:05:04,429 --> 00:05:07,307 When Claire's channel numbers started going down, 93 00:05:07,390 --> 00:05:09,392 that's whenever I thought, "Oh no. Here we go." 94 00:05:10,268 --> 00:05:13,855 We had multiple phone calls between the parents. 95 00:05:13,938 --> 00:05:17,066 You know, here's Claire's analytics. Here's these other kids' analytics. 96 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:19,193 And it was the same graph for all the kids. 97 00:05:19,694 --> 00:05:24,866 [Jenn] A few of the moms spent months and months and months researching 98 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:27,702 how to stop Tiffany. 99 00:05:28,536 --> 00:05:32,915 The goal was to figure out what she's doing to our channels 100 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:34,083 and reverse it. 101 00:05:35,126 --> 00:05:38,463 [Angela] We're sharing information, trying to figure this out together. 102 00:05:39,130 --> 00:05:41,507 [Jenn] We talked to many different entities. 103 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:47,638 And finally, we were directed to the law firm that we work with. 104 00:05:49,307 --> 00:05:50,600 [music fades] 105 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:54,812 [man] Tiffany and her boyfriend slash business partner, Hunter, 106 00:05:54,896 --> 00:05:59,442 they've said in the past that they have the ability, 107 00:05:59,525 --> 00:06:04,197 and they have in the past done these kinds of things to other people. 108 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:05,490 [somber music playing] 109 00:06:05,573 --> 00:06:07,575 [Corinne] I was the first person it happened to. 110 00:06:07,658 --> 00:06:10,203 And now everybody knows, if you leave The Squad, 111 00:06:10,286 --> 00:06:12,080 your views will go down, 112 00:06:12,163 --> 00:06:14,749 you'll lose subscribers, you'll lose followers. 113 00:06:14,832 --> 00:06:17,168 You're going to get blacklisted. 114 00:06:18,127 --> 00:06:19,545 [Sawyer] As soon as I left, 115 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:24,300 Hunter went in and turned off the notifications on my channel. 116 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:26,386 And then we logged him out. 117 00:06:26,469 --> 00:06:30,014 And he just went crazy trying to log back in, 118 00:06:30,098 --> 00:06:32,475 trying to get the password from us. 119 00:06:33,351 --> 00:06:34,977 [Taylor] There's a whole world of dark arts 120 00:06:35,061 --> 00:06:36,687 that goes behind these channels. 121 00:06:36,771 --> 00:06:39,482 And it's an entire underbelly of the social media ecosystem 122 00:06:39,565 --> 00:06:40,733 that you don't see. 123 00:06:40,817 --> 00:06:43,528 You know, behind the scenes, there's these people buying bot networks, 124 00:06:43,611 --> 00:06:47,949 paying people to mass report accounts, get them flagged, get them down-ranked. 125 00:06:48,032 --> 00:06:50,326 [Sawyer] Which would be going in on different accounts 126 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:52,328 and clicking "report the video." 127 00:06:52,412 --> 00:06:55,206 And we know that's been done because some of the videos, 128 00:06:55,289 --> 00:06:57,959 you can't even put a Google ad on to promote 129 00:06:58,042 --> 00:06:59,961 because YouTube thinks it's violent, 130 00:07:00,044 --> 00:07:01,921 when it's, like, a video of me and my friends 131 00:07:02,004 --> 00:07:04,048 sitting down talking on the couch. 132 00:07:04,132 --> 00:07:05,299 [inaudible] 133 00:07:05,383 --> 00:07:06,801 We found out later on 134 00:07:06,884 --> 00:07:10,555 that the videos were being embedded in porn sites and gambling sites 135 00:07:10,638 --> 00:07:11,722 and other bad sites 136 00:07:11,806 --> 00:07:15,101 that would negatively affect the SEO of my YouTube channel. 137 00:07:15,643 --> 00:07:20,231 [Matt] If your name is linked to one of these porn sites, 138 00:07:20,731 --> 00:07:23,985 it's gonna impact, you know, hits when it comes to subscribers. 139 00:07:24,068 --> 00:07:26,070 It's gonna show up on a Google search. 140 00:07:26,154 --> 00:07:30,783 And that's going to adversely impact your name forever. 141 00:07:31,284 --> 00:07:34,245 The Internet is written in ink. It's not written in pencil. 142 00:07:35,163 --> 00:07:37,790 [Sawyer] My YouTube channel has never been the same. 143 00:07:37,874 --> 00:07:39,917 I think it's forever tarnished. 144 00:07:40,001 --> 00:07:41,669 Everything I worked for. 145 00:07:41,752 --> 00:07:43,421 Hey, guys. I'm Sawyer. 146 00:07:43,504 --> 00:07:46,883 And I just started my YouTube channel a couple days ago. 147 00:07:46,966 --> 00:07:50,303 Everything that I cared about and was motivated to work on, 148 00:07:50,803 --> 00:07:56,392 getting sabotaged by people that I thought wanted to help me, 149 00:07:56,476 --> 00:07:58,060 by people that I trusted. 150 00:07:58,144 --> 00:07:59,270 [music fades] 151 00:08:00,229 --> 00:08:05,526 [Matt] So we have filed a civil lawsuit against Tiffany and against Hunter Hill. 152 00:08:06,194 --> 00:08:10,031 And we've not sued Piper individually. We have no claims against her. 153 00:08:10,114 --> 00:08:13,242 And we're seeking collectively in the tens of millions of dollars 154 00:08:13,326 --> 00:08:15,745 for all 11 kids in this lawsuit. 155 00:08:20,458 --> 00:08:23,085 [Taylor] In 2022, this lawsuit is filed, 156 00:08:23,711 --> 00:08:26,589 alleging a lot of wrongdoing, a lot of bad behavior, 157 00:08:26,672 --> 00:08:29,300 and kind of pulling the curtain back 158 00:08:29,383 --> 00:08:32,595 on a lot of really bad things that were happening behind the scenes. 159 00:08:32,678 --> 00:08:34,138 [tense, pulsing music playing] 160 00:08:35,097 --> 00:08:38,851 [man] When I first started on this case, I read the original complaint. 161 00:08:38,935 --> 00:08:44,774 And the parents at that time were mostly concerned about the effects 162 00:08:44,857 --> 00:08:47,485 that they saw on these kids' careers. 163 00:08:48,236 --> 00:08:51,364 And everything that was done to these kids' YouTube accounts. 164 00:08:51,447 --> 00:08:52,949 -[Sawyer] Okay, ready? -[Corinne] Yeah. 165 00:08:53,032 --> 00:08:55,785 [Jeremiah] We went in, and we asked the kids questions. 166 00:08:56,285 --> 00:09:01,040 And we discovered that the stories that the parents had told us 167 00:09:01,123 --> 00:09:04,919 about what was going on were just the tip of an iceberg. 168 00:09:06,254 --> 00:09:10,132 What we have is 11 kids whose stories all line up. 169 00:09:10,216 --> 00:09:11,050 [Claire] Oh. 170 00:09:11,133 --> 00:09:14,887 And what they did to these children is shocking. 171 00:09:14,971 --> 00:09:16,681 [somber music playing] 172 00:09:17,848 --> 00:09:19,600 -Oh my G… [chuckles] -[ball clatters] 173 00:09:19,684 --> 00:09:21,310 [Jeremiah] After we filed the complaint, 174 00:09:21,394 --> 00:09:24,564 um, we went through a process that's called discovery. 175 00:09:24,647 --> 00:09:27,984 And I know, for a lot of you, we're meeting for the first time today. 176 00:09:28,067 --> 00:09:31,362 In my understandings, you're still learning more 177 00:09:31,445 --> 00:09:34,740 about what the kids went through that you didn't know. 178 00:09:34,824 --> 00:09:38,327 It seemed like, originally, a lot of you came to this case 179 00:09:38,411 --> 00:09:41,247 because of the interference with the YouTube channels. 180 00:09:41,330 --> 00:09:47,169 And after the case started, as you met with Matt and… and our firm, 181 00:09:47,253 --> 00:09:52,216 you discovered all these other elements, um, to the story, 182 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:55,636 the emotional abuse they went through, the verbal abuse they went through, 183 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,555 the sexual abuse they went through. 184 00:09:57,638 --> 00:09:59,390 [somber music playing] 185 00:09:59,473 --> 00:10:03,978 [Ashley] When I first heard from Claire and Reese about what happened to them, 186 00:10:04,061 --> 00:10:07,940 we had our first meeting as a group with our lawyers. 187 00:10:08,024 --> 00:10:10,610 And the lawyers started asking questions. 188 00:10:10,693 --> 00:10:12,612 Sophie said something. 189 00:10:12,695 --> 00:10:14,697 And then Claire's like, "Me too." 190 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:18,451 And then, um, Reese was like, "Me too." 191 00:10:18,534 --> 00:10:21,245 And then Hayden was like, "Well, she did this to me." 192 00:10:21,329 --> 00:10:23,080 And then Sawyer says, "She did this." 193 00:10:23,164 --> 00:10:25,958 And then everybody just kind of started unloading. 194 00:10:26,042 --> 00:10:26,959 [breathes deeply] 195 00:10:27,043 --> 00:10:32,632 We were not prepared to hear stories of the sexual stuff. 196 00:10:33,799 --> 00:10:36,218 Now we're in a really dark area. 197 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:40,890 And it made me feel… even worse for letting her stay. 198 00:10:42,183 --> 00:10:46,145 [Corinne] I can't really remember what conversation led up to this, 199 00:10:46,228 --> 00:10:48,981 but I remember Tiffany asking me, like, 200 00:10:49,565 --> 00:10:51,859 "Corinne, like, have you ever given a blow job?" 201 00:10:51,942 --> 00:10:53,861 And I was just like, "What's that?" 202 00:10:53,944 --> 00:10:57,990 When I was younger, like, I didn't know what that was. 203 00:10:58,074 --> 00:11:00,368 I was… confused. 204 00:11:00,451 --> 00:11:02,370 And then she was, like, giggling and laughing. 205 00:11:02,453 --> 00:11:05,915 And I looked at Hunter, and Hunter was, like, laughing. 206 00:11:05,998 --> 00:11:08,084 And then she was like, 207 00:11:08,167 --> 00:11:11,879 "Oh, like, you can, like, do it on Hunter." 208 00:11:11,962 --> 00:11:14,715 Like, "I'll show you, like, with Hunter." 209 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:17,218 And then they were, like, laughing, like, really hard. 210 00:11:17,301 --> 00:11:20,971 And then Piper was like, "Oh, like, Mom, stop. Like… stop." 211 00:11:21,055 --> 00:11:22,139 Like, Piper was saying stop. 212 00:11:24,266 --> 00:11:25,601 I was 11. 213 00:11:27,228 --> 00:11:29,522 It makes me feel sad for my younger self. 214 00:11:30,356 --> 00:11:32,733 I feel like I could have easily been, 215 00:11:32,817 --> 00:11:35,319 like, taken advantage of in that situation, 216 00:11:35,403 --> 00:11:37,488 which is really scary to me. 217 00:11:40,533 --> 00:11:43,953 Tiffany would target us when we were most vulnerable 218 00:11:44,036 --> 00:11:45,204 and when we were alone. 219 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:48,708 And she had this character called Lenny. 220 00:11:48,791 --> 00:11:50,376 [Tiffany] Lenny! 221 00:11:50,459 --> 00:11:52,044 [Piper giggling] 222 00:11:52,128 --> 00:11:57,007 [Sophie] Lenny was a cat that belonged to Tiffany and Piper that died. 223 00:11:57,091 --> 00:12:00,344 -[mouse clicks] -Tiffany would have a voice. 224 00:12:00,428 --> 00:12:03,222 And Lenny was basically the vent 225 00:12:03,305 --> 00:12:07,435 for all of her dirty or sexual, like, thoughts 226 00:12:07,518 --> 00:12:09,562 that she could get away… "get away with." 227 00:12:09,645 --> 00:12:13,566 Lenny is not a character featured in Piper's videos or anything like that. 228 00:12:13,649 --> 00:12:18,362 Lenny was just something that was off-camera just to us. 229 00:12:18,446 --> 00:12:19,989 [unsettling music playing] 230 00:12:20,072 --> 00:12:22,158 Tiffany usually woke us up in the morning, 231 00:12:22,241 --> 00:12:25,619 and it was usually something that she did as Lenny. 232 00:12:25,703 --> 00:12:29,790 There was one time she came up to us, and at some point she got in the bed. 233 00:12:29,874 --> 00:12:31,834 And then she was on top of… 234 00:12:31,917 --> 00:12:33,252 She would go for me and Piper, 235 00:12:33,335 --> 00:12:35,671 and she was on top of us on her hands and knees, 236 00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:37,006 like, pinning us down, 237 00:12:37,089 --> 00:12:39,216 saying that she was a mountain goat. 238 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,927 And then she was, like… She would howl. 239 00:12:42,011 --> 00:12:44,555 Uh, she did that spit thing 240 00:12:44,638 --> 00:12:47,683 where you, like, take spit down and then you, like, suck it back up. 241 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:48,851 She did that to me. 242 00:12:48,934 --> 00:12:52,605 And I couldn't move. I couldn't, like… I didn't have any way to defend myself. 243 00:12:52,688 --> 00:12:55,357 So I can't remember how I did it, 244 00:12:55,441 --> 00:12:57,568 but somehow I got my arms out 245 00:12:57,651 --> 00:13:00,863 to where I could cover the blanket as soon as the spit fell. 246 00:13:01,363 --> 00:13:03,741 So… and then we just got up out of bed, 247 00:13:03,824 --> 00:13:06,160 and then just acted like it was any other day. 248 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,916 [Angela] As each of the kids started telling what she did to them 249 00:13:11,999 --> 00:13:14,001 and how it affected them, 250 00:13:15,211 --> 00:13:17,421 the moms, we just all started crying. 251 00:13:18,088 --> 00:13:21,842 The amount of stuff you're hearing, and you're like, "How could this happen?" 252 00:13:21,926 --> 00:13:24,386 [voice breaks] Like, with Reese, in particular, 253 00:13:25,054 --> 00:13:27,348 [sniffles] …was so little. [sobs] 254 00:13:28,349 --> 00:13:30,142 Like a baby. She was nine. 255 00:13:32,770 --> 00:13:34,480 I don't really remember how it started, 256 00:13:34,563 --> 00:13:37,483 but I remember I was bringing something to her room. 257 00:13:37,566 --> 00:13:40,402 I was like, "Here, Tiffany." And I put it on her bed. 258 00:13:40,486 --> 00:13:43,405 And then as I was walking out, she said in Lenny's voice, 259 00:13:43,489 --> 00:13:45,991 Tiffany said in Lenny's voice, she said, "Wait, Reese, don't go." 260 00:13:46,075 --> 00:13:48,077 And I was like, "I'm getting out of here." 261 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,579 Like, "I wanna leave. I wanna get out." 262 00:13:50,663 --> 00:13:52,164 And she grabbed me. 263 00:13:52,248 --> 00:13:55,376 I don't know by my waist or, like, my legs or my throat or whatever. 264 00:13:55,459 --> 00:13:57,753 I don't remember, but she grabbed me. 265 00:13:57,837 --> 00:14:00,673 So I ran to her bathroom, and I locked myself in there. 266 00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:04,343 Um, and I was just sitting there, and then she said, 267 00:14:04,426 --> 00:14:08,097 Tiffany said in Lenny's voice, "Reese, I have my pants down." 268 00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:09,473 "Do you wanna come look?" 269 00:14:10,474 --> 00:14:11,851 And I said, "No." 270 00:14:13,185 --> 00:14:16,146 So, um, just in case she did have her pants down, 271 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:19,275 I didn't wanna be traumatized, so I put my hand over my eyes. 272 00:14:19,942 --> 00:14:22,862 I unlocked the door quietly. I opened it up quietly. 273 00:14:22,945 --> 00:14:24,864 And I was kind of feeling around the room. 274 00:14:24,947 --> 00:14:26,866 And then, whenever I kind of knew where I was, 275 00:14:26,949 --> 00:14:29,493 I opened up my eyes, and I started to walk to the door. 276 00:14:29,577 --> 00:14:32,413 And then she grabbed me and pulled me on her bed. 277 00:14:32,496 --> 00:14:33,455 Um… 278 00:14:34,164 --> 00:14:36,375 And she started… She was holding me down. 279 00:14:36,458 --> 00:14:39,253 And she started to take her hand and move it on my face, 280 00:14:39,336 --> 00:14:40,838 my chest, like everywhere. 281 00:14:40,921 --> 00:14:42,840 She started to, like, move her hand around. 282 00:14:42,923 --> 00:14:47,094 And I, um, took her arms off me, and I broke free, and I unlocked the door, 283 00:14:47,177 --> 00:14:50,764 and I ran out of there, and I went to the RV. 284 00:14:50,848 --> 00:14:53,767 I just stayed there for the rest of the day until the next day. 285 00:14:53,851 --> 00:14:55,686 I didn't really go out the next day. 286 00:14:55,769 --> 00:14:57,229 [somber music playing] 287 00:14:58,856 --> 00:15:00,858 [Ashley] By the time Reese was done, 288 00:15:00,941 --> 00:15:03,986 we were all… bawling. 289 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:05,487 The parents were bawling. 290 00:15:05,571 --> 00:15:09,199 [voice breaks] I got physically ill. I don't want to throw up. 291 00:15:09,283 --> 00:15:12,453 I feel like I'm gonna throw up right now talking about it. [sniffles] 292 00:15:13,579 --> 00:15:16,874 Similar things happened to Claire and Soph. 293 00:15:19,126 --> 00:15:22,212 [Sophie] Tiffany would sexually assault 294 00:15:23,047 --> 00:15:25,633 like, me, Claire, and Reese a lot. 295 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:31,388 There was this one time, uh, I was asleep… 296 00:15:31,472 --> 00:15:33,432 [sniffles] …and I woke up, 297 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:37,478 and she was, like, on top of me when I woke up. 298 00:15:38,604 --> 00:15:43,776 And, like, rubbing her hand all over me, saying it was Lenny's dick. 299 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,863 And then finally, she let go, and she had left the room. 300 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:51,158 But I remember being so scared. 301 00:15:51,241 --> 00:15:53,661 And so I started locking my door. 302 00:15:53,744 --> 00:15:55,496 But my door has, like, one of those slits, 303 00:15:55,579 --> 00:15:58,374 so you could stick a penny in it and you could turn it from the outside. 304 00:15:58,457 --> 00:15:59,833 So I started locking my door. 305 00:15:59,917 --> 00:16:02,836 And she would take a penny, and she would still come in. 306 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,382 And it still affects me to this day that, like… 307 00:16:06,882 --> 00:16:11,345 I don't know if I should say this, but I sleep with, like, a knife by my bed 308 00:16:11,428 --> 00:16:14,556 'cause, like, I'm so scared of somebody breaking in 309 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,558 or coming in my room from that. 310 00:16:17,434 --> 00:16:19,228 And there's so much more that went on 311 00:16:19,311 --> 00:16:24,608 that, like, I don't think I really wanna talk about on camera 312 00:16:24,692 --> 00:16:27,152 'cause it's… too much. 313 00:16:27,236 --> 00:16:29,405 [somber music playing] 314 00:16:49,008 --> 00:16:51,927 [Steevy] That was the first time hearing what had happened 315 00:16:52,011 --> 00:16:53,804 and the stories that had happened to them. 316 00:16:54,304 --> 00:16:56,432 It's really hard to hear this. 317 00:16:57,391 --> 00:17:00,394 Their innocence is now gone. 318 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:04,565 It made me feel like I didn't protect her. 319 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:08,861 [voice breaks] I was traumatized. Like, poor kids. 320 00:17:09,862 --> 00:17:11,739 -[sniffles] -[music fades] 321 00:17:13,365 --> 00:17:15,826 Mm… because we were… we're their moms, 322 00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:18,162 and we're supposed to protect them, and we didn't. 323 00:17:18,912 --> 00:17:19,830 [sniffles] 324 00:17:20,456 --> 00:17:22,124 We couldn't. We didn't know. 325 00:17:24,168 --> 00:17:29,631 [Sophie] My mom didn't know anything about the sexual things 326 00:17:29,715 --> 00:17:32,509 Tiffany was trying to do towards me or any of that. 327 00:17:33,010 --> 00:17:35,179 I think I was just embarrassed at all the stuff, 328 00:17:35,262 --> 00:17:36,680 that I didn't tell my mom. 329 00:17:36,764 --> 00:17:38,807 And I really wish I would have sooner. 330 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:40,517 None of us did. 331 00:17:40,601 --> 00:17:42,853 Claire didn't tell her mom. Reese didn't tell her mom. 332 00:17:42,936 --> 00:17:44,813 Like, nobody said anything. 333 00:17:46,190 --> 00:17:51,028 [Claire] I would sometimes think maybe I should tell my moms what happened. 334 00:17:51,111 --> 00:17:55,324 But whenever Tiffany started doing the things to me and Reese, 335 00:17:55,407 --> 00:17:57,409 we saw her do it to Piper as well. 336 00:17:57,910 --> 00:18:00,037 Piper thinks it's completely normal. 337 00:18:00,913 --> 00:18:03,582 So we're like, "Okay, you know, she's doing this to you." 338 00:18:03,665 --> 00:18:06,085 "I guess it's fine that she does this to us too." 339 00:18:07,044 --> 00:18:10,589 I didn't realize anything was wrong, and I was just justifying in my head, 340 00:18:10,672 --> 00:18:13,133 "Oh, this is family. It's fine. It's okay." 341 00:18:13,217 --> 00:18:16,970 I think that's one of her main advantages, that she was family, she was my aunt. 342 00:18:17,471 --> 00:18:20,808 And it was Lenny. It wasn't Tiffany. It was Lenny who was doing it. 343 00:18:27,898 --> 00:18:30,275 [Sarah] Tiffany here is the mom and manager 344 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:36,281 of one of the largest child minor accounts on social media 345 00:18:36,365 --> 00:18:42,162 and has been called out quite a few times for her questionable content. 346 00:18:42,663 --> 00:18:44,123 My name is Sarah Adams. 347 00:18:44,206 --> 00:18:48,335 I go by mom.uncharted on social media. 348 00:18:48,418 --> 00:18:55,050 And I built a platform around exploring kidfluencers and parents 349 00:18:55,134 --> 00:18:58,178 who, in my opinion, exploit their children online. 350 00:18:58,262 --> 00:19:03,016 Late 2021 was when I learned about Piper Rockelle. 351 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:05,352 And then the lawsuit dropped. 352 00:19:05,435 --> 00:19:08,397 And that's when I started just paying a little more attention 353 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:09,815 to what was happening. 354 00:19:09,898 --> 00:19:11,358 [plinking] 355 00:19:12,109 --> 00:19:12,985 [chimes] 356 00:19:13,068 --> 00:19:16,738 Many are aware of the lawsuit against Tiffany Smith. 357 00:19:16,822 --> 00:19:20,534 It has been filed by 11 former Squad members, 358 00:19:20,617 --> 00:19:23,495 kids who used to work with Piper, against Tiffany. 359 00:19:23,579 --> 00:19:25,789 And there are many allegations. 360 00:19:25,873 --> 00:19:27,291 [intriguing music playing] 361 00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:30,460 [man 1] Today's video is about Piper Rockelle 362 00:19:30,544 --> 00:19:33,172 and the absolutely insane lawsuit. 363 00:19:33,255 --> 00:19:36,508 147 pages of absolute madness. 364 00:19:36,592 --> 00:19:39,678 [man 2] The kids accused Tiffany of physical, emotional, verbal, 365 00:19:39,761 --> 00:19:40,762 and S abuse, 366 00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:42,848 as well as financial exploitation. 367 00:19:42,931 --> 00:19:45,100 Some of the allegations are insane. 368 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,604 A few months before the lawsuit was filed, singer Pink tweeted out, 369 00:19:48,687 --> 00:19:52,441 "How many kids like Piper Rockelle are being exploited by their parents?" 370 00:19:52,524 --> 00:19:54,276 "At what point do the rest of us say, 371 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,695 'This isn't okay for a 13-year-old to be in a bikini 372 00:19:56,778 --> 00:19:58,864 whilst her mother takes the photo'?" 373 00:19:58,947 --> 00:20:03,285 Piper's mother, Tiffany, is accused of doing some revolting things. 374 00:20:03,368 --> 00:20:06,079 Encouraging teens to have oral sex, 375 00:20:06,163 --> 00:20:09,958 dress sluttier, and touching children inappropriately. 376 00:20:10,042 --> 00:20:12,669 All of our innocence was just swiped from us. 377 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:16,173 We didn't know a lot of the things that were going on. 378 00:20:16,256 --> 00:20:18,008 We weren't allowed to be there. 379 00:20:22,471 --> 00:20:24,723 If you put your kids in these squads, 380 00:20:24,806 --> 00:20:26,433 you're to blame too. 381 00:20:26,516 --> 00:20:29,728 I don't care if you knew or didn't know. You still put your kids in this situation. 382 00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:32,773 I can't. 383 00:20:32,856 --> 00:20:35,817 [Taylor] We start to see cracks emerging and… and red flags, basically, 384 00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:38,445 with The Squad quite early on. 385 00:20:38,528 --> 00:20:41,865 And I think the parents kind of ignore those red flags. 386 00:20:41,949 --> 00:20:45,452 They kind of sweep it under the rug. They minimize it. 387 00:20:45,535 --> 00:20:49,498 And they ultimately become complicit in their own child's exploitation. 388 00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:54,586 If I were watching this show, I'd be like, "Idiots." 389 00:20:54,670 --> 00:20:56,129 I already know what I would say. 390 00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:58,006 "Why the hell would you stay around for that?" 391 00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:00,342 I already know what I would say, 100%. 392 00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:04,179 I would not understand why anyone kept their kid in that environment. 393 00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:06,223 But it's so complex. 394 00:21:06,306 --> 00:21:07,516 [tense music playing] 395 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:10,227 There's manipulation at the level of the kids. 396 00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:14,106 There's manipulation at the level of the parents. 397 00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:17,234 She was watching us like hawks. 398 00:21:17,818 --> 00:21:20,195 We weren't allowed to hang out with other people. 399 00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:23,031 We weren't allowed to talk to anyone who had left The Squad. 400 00:21:23,615 --> 00:21:27,661 By the time you realize that it's not good, 401 00:21:27,744 --> 00:21:31,707 you're also scared to leave or scared to say anything. 402 00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:35,794 It's like a… like a cult or something. Like, you can't get out. 403 00:21:35,877 --> 00:21:37,713 Like, once you're in, 404 00:21:38,463 --> 00:21:42,843 you know all the consequences of even just crossing her. 405 00:21:43,468 --> 00:21:46,179 Your kid's gonna be tanked. There's gonna be hate content. 406 00:21:46,263 --> 00:21:49,182 There's going to be all kinds of hell. 407 00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:50,475 [camera clicks] 408 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,894 You don't want to hurt your kid. 409 00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:55,564 And then your child doesn't wanna tell you stuff. 410 00:21:55,647 --> 00:21:57,691 Sawyer didn't want to tell me. 411 00:21:58,233 --> 00:22:00,902 He didn't want me to be upset about something that happened to him 412 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:05,782 and do something because he knew the consequences of upsetting her. 413 00:22:08,994 --> 00:22:12,289 [Jeremiah] The bottom line is this. The parents didn't know what was going on. 414 00:22:13,248 --> 00:22:15,250 You might be able to fault them for that, 415 00:22:15,751 --> 00:22:18,670 for not knowing what was happening to their children at the time. 416 00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:23,467 That doesn't excuse the defendants from what they did to these children. 417 00:22:24,092 --> 00:22:26,178 This case is not about the parents. 418 00:22:27,929 --> 00:22:29,348 [exhales deeply] 419 00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:36,646 After the lawsuit became public, 420 00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:40,776 I had a lot of people who were coming after me 421 00:22:40,859 --> 00:22:43,570 because they were saying that I was lying, 422 00:22:43,653 --> 00:22:46,365 or they were saying that I shouldn't have left my family. 423 00:22:46,448 --> 00:22:51,953 There was a… a lot of hate towards everybody in it. 424 00:22:52,037 --> 00:22:54,498 And I think so many people, 425 00:22:54,581 --> 00:22:56,375 instead of trying to hear it out, 426 00:22:56,458 --> 00:22:59,169 just automatically thought that we were faking it. 427 00:22:59,252 --> 00:23:01,129 -[keyboard clacking] -[tense music playing] 428 00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:03,632 [Sawyer] It definitely sucked. It did. 429 00:23:03,715 --> 00:23:05,592 'Cause it was… it was a lot for me to deal with, 430 00:23:05,675 --> 00:23:07,344 not only with the hate comments, 431 00:23:07,427 --> 00:23:08,637 but just being like, 432 00:23:09,471 --> 00:23:12,849 "I wonder what's gonna happen. I wonder what people are gonna think." 433 00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:15,143 [keyboard clacking] 434 00:23:15,227 --> 00:23:18,146 [Steevy] Everybody says we're lying. Social media people say we're lying. 435 00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:19,564 We just want money. 436 00:23:19,648 --> 00:23:24,444 And I mean, honestly, for Corinne, she doesn't… care about the money. 437 00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:27,697 She's been silenced for so long. 438 00:23:27,781 --> 00:23:29,449 She's just like, "I'm not lying." 439 00:23:29,533 --> 00:23:33,286 "This happened to me, and I want everybody to know that this can happen." 440 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:40,043 I feel like I'm ready to… mm, face her, 441 00:23:40,127 --> 00:23:44,548 like, and show her that we're stronger than she thinks. 442 00:23:44,631 --> 00:23:47,592 And we're warning people 443 00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:50,804 so they don't have to go through what we did. 444 00:23:50,887 --> 00:23:51,888 [Claire] Yeah. 445 00:23:51,972 --> 00:23:55,225 I feel like we're giving so many people voices, 446 00:23:55,308 --> 00:23:57,018 especially in this industry, 447 00:23:57,102 --> 00:24:00,063 because the things that happen behind the scenes 448 00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:04,317 are never, you know, seen by anybody. 449 00:24:07,195 --> 00:24:09,489 [Taylor] These abuse allegations against Tiffany, 450 00:24:09,573 --> 00:24:13,827 which include battery and child labor violations, 451 00:24:13,910 --> 00:24:17,622 are not unique to the Piper Rockelle, Tiffany case. 452 00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:18,665 [tense music continues] 453 00:24:18,748 --> 00:24:20,750 These are common forms of abuse 454 00:24:20,834 --> 00:24:23,462 that are rampant in the kidfluencer industry. 455 00:24:24,045 --> 00:24:28,049 [reporter] A popular YouTube mom, known for her strict parenting style, 456 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,510 now under suspicion of child abuse. 457 00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:33,430 Kidfluencing right now is the Wild Wild West. 458 00:24:33,513 --> 00:24:37,684 I mean, there's no regulations that keep these influencers safe. 459 00:24:39,478 --> 00:24:44,483 [Jeremiah] It's an unregulated frontier of the entertainment industry. 460 00:24:44,566 --> 00:24:47,319 And that's why we have this lawsuit, which is really… 461 00:24:47,402 --> 00:24:52,699 It should be the last line of defense to have to do a civil lawsuit. 462 00:24:52,782 --> 00:24:54,659 When a child's treated like this, 463 00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:58,663 they shouldn't have to go out and hire private attorneys 464 00:24:58,747 --> 00:25:00,916 in order to vindicate their rights. 465 00:25:02,709 --> 00:25:04,711 [woman] Mr. Hill, would you raise your right hand? 466 00:25:05,253 --> 00:25:07,756 You do solemnly swear or affirm the evidence you're about to give 467 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:10,717 will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. 468 00:25:11,635 --> 00:25:12,469 Yes. 469 00:25:12,552 --> 00:25:14,095 [tense music continues] 470 00:25:14,179 --> 00:25:16,681 [Sophie] Hunter was a very interesting character 471 00:25:16,765 --> 00:25:21,019 because I always looked at Hunter as this person who had my back, 472 00:25:21,102 --> 00:25:22,979 who was just a victim of Tiffany, 473 00:25:23,063 --> 00:25:24,940 and who didn't understand right from wrong. 474 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:28,360 So I used to sympathize for Hunter. 475 00:25:28,944 --> 00:25:33,323 [man] Has Tiffany ever engaged in any kind of verbal abuse against you? 476 00:25:34,824 --> 00:25:35,909 No. 477 00:25:35,992 --> 00:25:36,910 [man] Never? 478 00:25:38,286 --> 00:25:41,373 No. I… I mean, we're in a relationship. We argue. 479 00:25:42,499 --> 00:25:46,586 [Sawyer] Hunter seems like a good guy on the surface. 480 00:25:46,670 --> 00:25:50,674 He seems like someone that just wants to help these kids be successful. 481 00:25:50,757 --> 00:25:56,429 But I think he's really just a weak man that's being controlled by Tiffany. 482 00:25:57,639 --> 00:25:59,391 I think working with Tiffany is phenomenal. 483 00:25:59,474 --> 00:26:05,021 She's probably the best… boss, partner, coach, teammate 484 00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:06,773 I've ever worked with, ever. 485 00:26:07,274 --> 00:26:09,025 [Sophie] I feel at 20-something, 486 00:26:09,109 --> 00:26:10,819 you should be able to stick up for yourself 487 00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:14,531 and stick up for these 12-year-olds who are supposedly your "best friends." 488 00:26:14,614 --> 00:26:16,866 [Hunter] All right, here we go. Three, two, one, action. 489 00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:19,661 [Sophie] Hunter was definitely Tiffany's sidekick. 490 00:26:19,744 --> 00:26:21,663 [Hunter] Tiff, how do you want 'em to say it? 491 00:26:21,746 --> 00:26:24,499 [Sophie] So I think, like, obviously, for the sake of YouTube, 492 00:26:24,583 --> 00:26:26,501 he wanted us to get close and, like, vulnerable, 493 00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:28,461 and he could get these things on camera. 494 00:26:28,545 --> 00:26:30,338 He could use it to his advantage. 495 00:26:31,673 --> 00:26:34,050 So now, like, I have no sympathy for him. 496 00:26:34,134 --> 00:26:37,012 I just think he was a weirdo who hung out with 12-year-olds. 497 00:26:38,263 --> 00:26:40,432 [man exhaling, clicking tongue] 498 00:26:45,812 --> 00:26:48,940 [man] How's it going, Hunter? We're just doing our job out here. 499 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:51,484 We're investigating a story about the lawsuit. 500 00:26:51,568 --> 00:26:55,113 Um, I understand. Do you understand that you can't have a minor on camera? 501 00:26:55,196 --> 00:26:57,115 [man] Well, that's public property. That's public. 502 00:26:57,198 --> 00:26:58,742 No, you need to have a film permit… 503 00:26:58,825 --> 00:27:00,702 -[man] No, you don't. -…to film minors. You do. 504 00:27:00,785 --> 00:27:02,787 [traffic whirring] 505 00:27:06,416 --> 00:27:09,669 [man] There's 11 minors that claim you sexually assaulted them. 506 00:27:12,672 --> 00:27:15,300 [Ashley] I remember when the lawsuit came out. 507 00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:18,178 We weren't the only ones that got a lot of heat. 508 00:27:18,261 --> 00:27:20,597 Tiffany got a lot of criticism too. 509 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,185 And I do remember Piper putting out a video that came to her mom's rescue. 510 00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:30,398 If my mom did not help me and help me make my dreams come true, 511 00:27:30,482 --> 00:27:32,025 I would not be here for you guys. 512 00:27:32,108 --> 00:27:35,570 Like, I thank my mom every day, and I tell her how grateful I am for her. 513 00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:37,197 [voice breaks] Because she's so strong. 514 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,200 I don't even know if I would be able to go through what she's gone through 515 00:27:40,283 --> 00:27:42,243 or going through still. [sobs] 516 00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:44,329 [somber music playing] 517 00:27:46,414 --> 00:27:50,251 I first met Piper and Tiffany in 2021. 518 00:27:51,086 --> 00:27:52,462 My friend brought me there 519 00:27:52,545 --> 00:27:55,048 because they were, uh, having some cats for adoption. 520 00:27:55,131 --> 00:27:57,175 And I, you know, love cats. 521 00:27:57,926 --> 00:28:01,388 From there, I saw them, like, maybe once a month. 522 00:28:01,471 --> 00:28:04,224 Some months, it was like three times a month. 523 00:28:04,808 --> 00:28:05,975 I would do TikToks. 524 00:28:06,059 --> 00:28:09,396 I would just kind of, like, lounge there and, like, talk to them. 525 00:28:10,605 --> 00:28:13,650 When I first met Piper, she was happy with her friends. 526 00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:15,610 It was, like, a fun environment. 527 00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:19,155 Then, at the end, it was like she was depressed. 528 00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:21,908 She, I know, was starting to not eat a lot. 529 00:28:21,991 --> 00:28:24,869 And she was just kind of wanting to be isolated. 530 00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:27,455 [female reporter] Today, Piper's mom, Tiffany Smith, 531 00:28:27,539 --> 00:28:31,292 is under fire by all these former Squad members. 532 00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:33,253 After the lawsuit was filed, 533 00:28:33,336 --> 00:28:36,464 Tiffany would tell Piper that these were just mean, evil people 534 00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:39,884 wanting her money and wanting to ruin her reputation, 535 00:28:39,968 --> 00:28:41,970 and that they never really liked her. 536 00:28:42,053 --> 00:28:44,347 And Piper, I think, definitely seemed to believe that. 537 00:28:44,431 --> 00:28:48,560 And Piper would now share that with people if asked about the lawsuit. 538 00:28:48,643 --> 00:28:52,021 It's like, whatever Tiffany said, Piper engraved into her brain, 539 00:28:52,105 --> 00:28:53,773 and that's all she can think of now. 540 00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:55,692 It's like she's programmed that way now. 541 00:28:55,775 --> 00:28:57,360 I mean, honestly, I feel it's my fault. 542 00:28:57,444 --> 00:28:59,237 Because if I didn't hang out with these people 543 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,406 that did something so terrible to me, 544 00:29:01,489 --> 00:29:04,033 I feel like this wouldn't be happening to my family. 545 00:29:04,534 --> 00:29:08,288 [Matt] After we filed our lawsuit in early 2022, 546 00:29:08,371 --> 00:29:12,208 YouTube demonetized Piper's account. 547 00:29:12,292 --> 00:29:15,336 Basically, she could still post but wouldn't be able to make money for it. 548 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:20,258 So her revenue from YouTube went from 500,000, 600,000 a month to zero. 549 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:24,512 Uh, YouTube has said it has to do with content guidelines 550 00:29:24,596 --> 00:29:26,806 and violations of terms of service. 551 00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:31,019 We have a… a creator responsibility guidelines, uh, policy, 552 00:29:31,102 --> 00:29:34,147 where if creators have off-platform behavior 553 00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:36,524 or there's off-platform news that could be damaging 554 00:29:36,608 --> 00:29:38,401 to the broader creator ecosystem, 555 00:29:38,485 --> 00:29:41,446 you can be suspended from our monetization program. 556 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:44,908 [Taylor] Demonetization is basically like a big punishment. 557 00:29:44,991 --> 00:29:48,703 YouTube has only done this for really the most controversial content creators. 558 00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:50,288 [tense music playing] 559 00:29:50,371 --> 00:29:52,207 Here's the problem with these platforms. 560 00:29:52,290 --> 00:29:55,126 It's really not until the media draws attention to something 561 00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:56,503 that they take action. 562 00:29:59,255 --> 00:30:02,550 After this lawsuit files, things begin to crumble. 563 00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:05,845 Major brand deals start falling apart. Brands are pulling out. 564 00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:07,931 People don't wanna work with any content creator 565 00:30:08,014 --> 00:30:10,391 that's at the center of a controversial scandal. 566 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:14,854 [Sarah] Due to the lawsuit, they have had to diversify. 567 00:30:14,938 --> 00:30:17,440 She has been looking for other avenues. 568 00:30:17,524 --> 00:30:21,319 And when I say "she," Tiffany, has been looking for other avenues 569 00:30:21,402 --> 00:30:23,154 to monetize her child. 570 00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:27,033 [Taylor] She retreats onto these other platforms like Snapchat. 571 00:30:27,116 --> 00:30:29,786 Snapchat is a platform very different than other social media apps 572 00:30:29,869 --> 00:30:31,830 because there's no comment section. 573 00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:36,501 So they can just post, monetize, and sort of stay under the radar. 574 00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:40,964 I'm also aware that Piper is on another website called BrandArmy. 575 00:30:41,047 --> 00:30:46,594 And BrandArmy is often compared to OnlyFans, 576 00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:49,889 but it doesn't do nudity. 577 00:30:49,973 --> 00:30:54,644 On BrandArmy, you can be as young as 13 to actually create content on there. 578 00:30:54,727 --> 00:30:57,105 But in order for people to subscribe to that content, 579 00:30:57,188 --> 00:30:58,439 they have to be at least 18. 580 00:30:59,148 --> 00:31:01,442 [Sarah] Meaning, BrandArmy is a website 581 00:31:01,526 --> 00:31:06,865 that is allowing adults to subscribe to exclusive content of minors. 582 00:31:06,948 --> 00:31:11,744 I don't know how a website justifies this. 583 00:31:11,828 --> 00:31:14,289 I don't know how it is legal. 584 00:31:14,372 --> 00:31:18,167 But, like, this is a thing in the digital world today. 585 00:31:18,251 --> 00:31:21,546 And honestly, it just makes me feel sick to my stomach. 586 00:31:21,629 --> 00:31:23,006 [tense music continues] 587 00:31:23,673 --> 00:31:26,092 [Katherine] A lot of young influencers have recognized 588 00:31:26,175 --> 00:31:29,345 that there is actually a market to sell extra content. 589 00:31:30,763 --> 00:31:33,224 Meta did its own investigation into this phenomenon 590 00:31:33,308 --> 00:31:36,352 and determined that a lot of the users who are willing to pay 591 00:31:36,436 --> 00:31:38,897 for this extra child-focused material 592 00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:41,274 were users that had indicated, 593 00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:43,484 through their interactions on the platforms, 594 00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:45,445 they were likely sexually interested in children. 595 00:31:46,654 --> 00:31:50,158 [Sarah] Predators can take advantage of these kids in so many ways. 596 00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:53,786 There have been stories of cyberstalking. 597 00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:56,456 There have been stories of physical stalking. 598 00:31:56,539 --> 00:32:00,126 And a lot of scary things are happening. 599 00:32:01,377 --> 00:32:03,421 [Karen] I'm not sure which is more damaging. 600 00:32:03,504 --> 00:32:07,508 The fact that there are anonymous adults following these children, 601 00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:11,846 or the fact that at some pretty early age, the kids know that that's the fact. 602 00:32:12,639 --> 00:32:15,058 And then they continue to act provocatively 603 00:32:15,141 --> 00:32:17,977 because they know that the provocative actions 604 00:32:18,061 --> 00:32:23,691 will draw in more likes, more comments, and more monetization. 605 00:32:24,984 --> 00:32:26,611 [Ava] Seeing kids get on these platforms 606 00:32:26,694 --> 00:32:29,822 and being allowed on platforms that they really shouldn't be 607 00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:32,909 just to exploit them and see photos of them 608 00:32:32,992 --> 00:32:37,038 that you shouldn't see of a child is extremely wrong 609 00:32:37,121 --> 00:32:39,707 and something that should not even be available to them 610 00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:44,170 as they… are not developed enough to make these decisions. 611 00:32:44,253 --> 00:32:47,507 I gotta get all of these kiss marks off of me, 612 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:50,009 so… let's get them off. 613 00:32:50,093 --> 00:32:53,137 [Claire] My heart hurts for Piper, seeing her on something like that. 614 00:32:53,221 --> 00:32:57,475 And who knows if she even has a decision in being on it. 615 00:32:57,558 --> 00:32:59,268 The Piper that I knew, 616 00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:01,771 that is absolutely not what she wants to do. 617 00:33:01,854 --> 00:33:04,440 I'm kind of, like, concerned a little bit. 618 00:33:04,524 --> 00:33:07,735 Seeing the content now, like Piper in bathing suits. 619 00:33:08,444 --> 00:33:10,905 I feel like I kinda wish I knew what was going on. 620 00:33:11,656 --> 00:33:15,076 I noticed that Piper was always worried about money. 621 00:33:15,159 --> 00:33:19,163 And she herself was worried that they had to pay their mortgage 622 00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:24,085 and they had to pay $20,000 in cat food for their 70 cats. 623 00:33:24,585 --> 00:33:27,463 So it definitely just seemed like it was Piper's responsibility 624 00:33:27,547 --> 00:33:29,424 to hold that house up. 625 00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:32,885 She started doing more provocative dances, it seemed like, 626 00:33:32,969 --> 00:33:36,180 wearing provocative clothing and just acting older, 627 00:33:36,264 --> 00:33:41,728 not really seeming to appear that she is 15 or 16 at the time. 628 00:33:41,811 --> 00:33:45,023 I know, a lot of the times, they would be doing, like, a regular photo shoot, 629 00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:47,191 and then they would have a specific outfit 630 00:33:47,275 --> 00:33:50,653 from a brand they need to do for… for their BrandArmy page. 631 00:33:50,737 --> 00:33:52,780 And one time she told her, 632 00:33:52,864 --> 00:33:55,324 "Come on, Piper. You need to get BrandArmy mode on." 633 00:33:55,408 --> 00:33:59,287 And then Piper kind of, like, bent over and put her butt out 634 00:33:59,370 --> 00:34:01,956 and, like, started touching her body 635 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,834 in a very, like, sexual, disturbing way. 636 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,087 [haunting, poignant music playing] 637 00:34:08,171 --> 00:34:10,089 [Steevy] Where's the line for Tiffany? 638 00:34:10,673 --> 00:34:13,134 The fact that she's got her child on a platform 639 00:34:13,217 --> 00:34:14,594 where she's walking around 640 00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:17,388 and dancing around in a bikini for subscribers? 641 00:34:18,222 --> 00:34:19,348 It doesn't stop. 642 00:34:20,016 --> 00:34:21,851 It's still not stopping today. 643 00:34:24,353 --> 00:34:27,940 The fact that Tiffany's still operating, it boggles my mind. 644 00:34:28,024 --> 00:34:31,486 And it boggles my mind because shortly after the lawsuit, 645 00:34:31,569 --> 00:34:33,696 we were contacted by the FBI. 646 00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:35,782 [somber, intriguing music playing] 647 00:34:35,865 --> 00:34:38,367 They said, "We want to talk to your girls." 648 00:34:40,203 --> 00:34:46,626 There have been FBI visits with, I think, every kid who's in this lawsuit. 649 00:34:46,709 --> 00:34:48,419 They have our entire file. 650 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:49,962 They have all the stories. 651 00:34:50,546 --> 00:34:55,593 There's police reports in multiple districts around LA. 652 00:34:55,676 --> 00:34:58,012 But we're not really getting any answers. 653 00:34:58,971 --> 00:35:01,265 The information that I received from the FBI agent 654 00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:04,393 was they won't try a case 655 00:35:04,477 --> 00:35:09,649 unless they know they have a smoking gun and they know that they'll win the case. 656 00:35:10,149 --> 00:35:13,402 So I don't… I don't know. 657 00:35:13,486 --> 00:35:15,530 That's… that's the last I heard from the FBI agent, 658 00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:17,907 and that's the last I heard from the detective. 659 00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:19,951 [tense, intriguing music playing] 660 00:35:20,034 --> 00:35:22,453 [Taylor] The government has absolutely no appetite 661 00:35:22,537 --> 00:35:25,748 to implement any sort of meaningful regulations on this industry. 662 00:35:25,832 --> 00:35:28,000 They still treat this industry as a joke. 663 00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:30,419 Lawmakers are often 70 to 80 years old. 664 00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:32,839 They don't take this world seriously at all. 665 00:35:32,922 --> 00:35:35,049 They make fun of it. They mock it. 666 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:40,304 Mr. Zuckerberg, you have convinced over two billion people 667 00:35:41,597 --> 00:35:45,226 to give up all of their personal information 668 00:35:45,309 --> 00:35:48,187 in exchange for getting to see 669 00:35:49,147 --> 00:35:52,692 what their high school friends had for dinner Saturday night. 670 00:35:53,651 --> 00:35:56,154 That's pretty much your business model, isn't it? 671 00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:59,615 [Zuckerberg smacks lips] That's not how I would characterize it. 672 00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:01,701 [Taylor] For them to try to regulate the industry, 673 00:36:01,784 --> 00:36:05,955 it's like a chimpanzee trying to solve a Rubik's Cube. 674 00:36:06,038 --> 00:36:08,624 I mean, frankly, that's probably more likely. 675 00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:11,043 And until we start taking this industry seriously, 676 00:36:11,127 --> 00:36:13,963 until we start viewing influencing as labor, 677 00:36:14,547 --> 00:36:15,673 these kids are screwed. 678 00:36:15,756 --> 00:36:17,133 Welcome back to my channel. 679 00:36:17,216 --> 00:36:21,012 Today's video is going to be another prank video! 680 00:36:21,095 --> 00:36:22,471 [music rises, abates] 681 00:36:27,059 --> 00:36:29,020 -[music fades] -[keyboard clacking] 682 00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:31,647 My name is Chris McCarty, 683 00:36:31,731 --> 00:36:33,649 and I am the founder and executive director 684 00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:35,026 of Quit Clicking Kids. 685 00:36:36,277 --> 00:36:38,738 I'm working to protect child influencers, 686 00:36:38,821 --> 00:36:40,573 pushing legislation forward 687 00:36:40,656 --> 00:36:43,242 to make sure that we can better protect children online. 688 00:36:43,743 --> 00:36:45,995 -[keyboard clacking] -[intriguing music playing] 689 00:36:46,579 --> 00:36:50,249 I started doing this project in my senior year of high school. 690 00:36:50,958 --> 00:36:54,337 There were a couple of news stories that made me think about, 691 00:36:54,420 --> 00:36:57,006 what is really happening with child influencing? 692 00:36:58,132 --> 00:37:00,259 There's so many different layers. 693 00:37:00,343 --> 00:37:04,138 I think one of the biggest misconceptions is not seeing it as work, 694 00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:05,598 especially for the kids. 695 00:37:05,681 --> 00:37:09,227 It is very much not a hobby for many of these influencers. 696 00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:10,478 It is a job. 697 00:37:10,561 --> 00:37:14,232 And in some cases, it's the primary or even the only source of income 698 00:37:14,315 --> 00:37:15,733 for these families. 699 00:37:15,816 --> 00:37:19,237 That has the potential to place an undue burden on these children 700 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:20,571 to create content. 701 00:37:22,198 --> 00:37:25,743 It can become a huge pressure as a kid 702 00:37:25,826 --> 00:37:28,162 to know that you're the one making the family money. 703 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,958 And I think it can get very muddy and messy 704 00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:36,212 when there is so much money involved, there's fame involved. 705 00:37:36,879 --> 00:37:39,507 It can create some really hard dynamics. 706 00:37:40,508 --> 00:37:44,262 [Sarah] I can't imagine how that feels 707 00:37:44,345 --> 00:37:50,518 for a child to be the essential, like, cash cow of their family. 708 00:37:51,602 --> 00:37:53,604 And as it relates to Piper, 709 00:37:53,688 --> 00:37:58,317 she has been the one generating income for her family 710 00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:00,319 for all of these years. 711 00:38:00,403 --> 00:38:05,199 And one might argue, Tiffany might argue, that, well, she was the momager, 712 00:38:05,283 --> 00:38:08,077 and she's entitled to something. 713 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,787 But that doesn't negate the fact 714 00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:13,582 that all of that something is based on exploiting your daughter. 715 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:16,460 [girl] Are you nervous to perform? 716 00:38:16,544 --> 00:38:19,463 Me, right now, I'm actually not nervous. I'm trying to stay… 717 00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:22,633 [Chris] In a lot of states, there are things called Coogan laws, 718 00:38:22,717 --> 00:38:24,844 which are protections for child actors. 719 00:38:24,927 --> 00:38:29,265 These require parents to put aside a percentage of the child's earnings 720 00:38:29,348 --> 00:38:30,975 in escrow for them. 721 00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:34,854 So part of the work that I'm trying to do with Quit Clicking Kids is to make sure 722 00:38:34,937 --> 00:38:39,150 that child influencers have those same protections as child actors. 723 00:38:39,233 --> 00:38:40,276 [keyboard clacking] 724 00:38:40,359 --> 00:38:45,364 Laws right now in America are starting to catch up. 725 00:38:45,448 --> 00:38:47,533 [reporter 1] Illinois is the first state in the country 726 00:38:47,616 --> 00:38:50,870 to ensure children featured in social media videos with their families 727 00:38:50,953 --> 00:38:52,872 are compensated for their work. 728 00:38:53,539 --> 00:38:55,791 [Chris] California, right now, does have legislation 729 00:38:55,875 --> 00:38:58,085 similar to what was introduced in Illinois. 730 00:38:58,169 --> 00:39:00,629 [reporter 2] Today, the governor signed two laws 731 00:39:00,713 --> 00:39:04,091 ensuring child influencers aren't taken advantage of 732 00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:07,053 next to former child star and singer Demi Lovato. 733 00:39:07,595 --> 00:39:10,848 [Chris] It is giving me hope that a state like California, 734 00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:14,852 who does have a relatively high population of child influencers, 735 00:39:14,935 --> 00:39:17,563 is starting to make those first steps towards change. 736 00:39:18,481 --> 00:39:20,983 I hope that that starts the ball rolling, 737 00:39:21,484 --> 00:39:24,153 not only for financial compensation, 738 00:39:24,236 --> 00:39:28,074 but also in terms of set teachers, regulated work hours, 739 00:39:28,157 --> 00:39:29,825 and checking and making sure 740 00:39:29,909 --> 00:39:32,078 that these families are following best practices 741 00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:33,662 and protecting their children. 742 00:39:33,746 --> 00:39:35,498 [somber, intriguing music playing] 743 00:39:39,001 --> 00:39:40,086 [man] It's a start. 744 00:39:40,169 --> 00:39:42,755 Does it do anything? Not really. 745 00:39:42,838 --> 00:39:45,841 You still can exploit them, just have to pay them for it now. Well, thanks. 746 00:39:45,925 --> 00:39:47,385 [overlapping clamoring] 747 00:39:47,468 --> 00:39:51,972 [Karen] I wish there were a way to regulate the social media world 748 00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:53,307 for children. 749 00:39:53,391 --> 00:39:55,643 I don't know how you could ever do it. 750 00:39:55,726 --> 00:39:57,395 And I would love to be wrong, 751 00:39:57,478 --> 00:40:01,190 but I don't know how you figure out a way to regulate 752 00:40:01,273 --> 00:40:04,985 or to send a monitor into somebody's backyard or living room 753 00:40:05,069 --> 00:40:09,782 while the mom and dad are shooting pictures of the kid. 754 00:40:09,865 --> 00:40:11,784 I flat-out don't think it's possible. 755 00:40:12,576 --> 00:40:13,994 [tinkling, blooping] 756 00:40:14,078 --> 00:40:18,249 [Taylor] We've allowed these platforms to scale completely unchecked for so long, 757 00:40:18,332 --> 00:40:20,793 it feels like trying to put a genie back in the bottle. 758 00:40:21,293 --> 00:40:25,840 But there are things we can do. We really just need to educate people. 759 00:40:25,923 --> 00:40:29,260 We need to change culture. We need to change norms around parenting. 760 00:40:29,343 --> 00:40:32,430 Honestly, like, you want to know where the responsibility lies? 761 00:40:32,513 --> 00:40:37,393 Parents should not allow children to be put in a position 762 00:40:37,476 --> 00:40:39,562 where they can be exploited or harmed. 763 00:40:40,146 --> 00:40:44,066 And when it comes to, like, kids displaying their personal lives 764 00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:45,985 for any audience, 765 00:40:46,068 --> 00:40:48,237 you know, people should be asking themselves, 766 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,990 "Is it really okay for my child's vulnerabilities 767 00:40:51,073 --> 00:40:54,618 to be displayed to… random strangers?" 768 00:40:55,494 --> 00:41:00,332 Would I recommend it to my children or my grandchildren? 769 00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:01,542 Probably not. 770 00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:04,044 But do I think that there's a safe way 771 00:41:04,128 --> 00:41:08,257 we can approach curating a process that's much safer? 772 00:41:08,340 --> 00:41:09,383 Absolutely. 773 00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:10,968 [overlapping clamoring] 774 00:41:11,051 --> 00:41:14,513 [Taylor] The fundamental problem is the business model of these platforms 775 00:41:14,597 --> 00:41:16,557 and these capitalist incentives. 776 00:41:17,057 --> 00:41:21,020 [Jeremiah] What Tiffany and Hunter were generating in revenue 777 00:41:21,103 --> 00:41:23,981 is hundreds of thousands of dollars a month. 778 00:41:24,064 --> 00:41:27,526 And that's a huge incentive for them to do the types of things 779 00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:30,029 that they were doing here with these children. 780 00:41:30,112 --> 00:41:31,947 [Hunter] So, okay, Sawyer, hands on her hips. 781 00:41:32,531 --> 00:41:33,949 -My hips. -This feels weird. 782 00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:37,369 [Hunter] Okay, Piper, around… Okay. And again, you guys are making out, so… 783 00:41:37,453 --> 00:41:40,122 [Jeremiah] I hope that the public will understand 784 00:41:40,206 --> 00:41:43,375 that they shouldn't just consume this kind of content 785 00:41:43,459 --> 00:41:47,630 without recognizing the harm that it's causing to the people 786 00:41:47,713 --> 00:41:50,758 who are being used in creating the content. 787 00:41:50,841 --> 00:41:52,259 [intriguing music continues] 788 00:41:52,843 --> 00:41:55,930 [Chris] Really what gives these accounts their fuel and their drive 789 00:41:56,013 --> 00:41:59,016 is the people who subscribe, the people who follow, 790 00:41:59,099 --> 00:42:01,101 the people who are buying 791 00:42:01,185 --> 00:42:04,063 any of the sponsored products from these accounts. 792 00:42:04,146 --> 00:42:07,983 So as much as we can, taking attention away from those accounts, 793 00:42:08,067 --> 00:42:12,238 I think, in a way, disincentivizes parents to be putting their kids out there 794 00:42:12,321 --> 00:42:13,739 for content in that way. 795 00:42:13,822 --> 00:42:14,907 [overlapping clamoring] 796 00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:18,077 I hope that people stop consuming this content. 797 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,955 [girls] Whoo! Make sure you like, subscribe 798 00:42:21,038 --> 00:42:22,873 and turn on those post notifications. 799 00:42:22,957 --> 00:42:23,999 [Claire squeals, giggles] 800 00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:25,000 [Hunter] Whoo! 801 00:42:25,084 --> 00:42:29,213 [Claire] I have a kind of resentment towards YouTube and social media today. 802 00:42:29,713 --> 00:42:32,967 And I think that my passion for it 803 00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:36,929 has definitely died down. 804 00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:40,683 I took a mental break from YouTube. 805 00:42:41,267 --> 00:42:43,394 It was just really kind of degrading. 806 00:42:43,477 --> 00:42:46,564 And it's hard to keep trying to be motivated 807 00:42:46,647 --> 00:42:48,857 whenever you're getting bad comments. 808 00:42:48,941 --> 00:42:50,192 [somber music playing] 809 00:42:53,028 --> 00:42:53,904 [music fades] 810 00:42:58,075 --> 00:43:02,538 So we've been presented with a settlement offer. Um… 811 00:43:03,539 --> 00:43:07,459 I… I brought the settlement, uh, conversation to Claire. 812 00:43:07,543 --> 00:43:11,255 She was, um, not exactly happy. 813 00:43:11,338 --> 00:43:15,050 But the reason why she wasn't happy was because she wanted to get on the stand 814 00:43:15,134 --> 00:43:18,887 and tell everyone in the court and the judge and the jury 815 00:43:18,971 --> 00:43:19,930 what happened to her. 816 00:43:20,014 --> 00:43:22,433 She feels like Tiffany is still getting away with things. 817 00:43:22,516 --> 00:43:24,476 And I can't help but 818 00:43:25,436 --> 00:43:26,645 kind of agree with that. 819 00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:30,357 We all said, "We just wanted it out there." 820 00:43:30,441 --> 00:43:35,070 "We just wanted people to know what happens, what can happen." 821 00:43:35,654 --> 00:43:37,489 You know, we're getting the word out. 822 00:43:37,573 --> 00:43:41,285 And people are gonna know what happened to all of us. 823 00:43:41,368 --> 00:43:43,454 And that was our goal. 824 00:43:43,537 --> 00:43:44,747 [tense, pensive music playing] 825 00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:47,082 [Ashley] We may be done with the lawsuit, 826 00:43:47,166 --> 00:43:51,086 but what we're not done with is sharing our experience. 827 00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:54,340 And I hope that we can prevent 828 00:43:54,423 --> 00:43:57,885 other kids going through the situation that our kids went through. 829 00:43:57,968 --> 00:43:59,094 [music continues] 830 00:44:00,262 --> 00:44:03,682 [Johna] They took every opportunity away from me 831 00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:05,434 to be involved in my son's life. 832 00:44:06,226 --> 00:44:09,855 But yet… Tiffany still has her daughter. 833 00:44:09,938 --> 00:44:12,733 She's the one accused of all of these abuses, 834 00:44:12,816 --> 00:44:16,153 but she still has her daughter, and my son got ripped from me. 835 00:44:17,363 --> 00:44:21,450 In many ways, a lawsuit is where justice goes to die. 836 00:44:22,618 --> 00:44:25,871 [Ashley] Tiffany is still very free to make the content 837 00:44:25,954 --> 00:44:27,289 that she's been making. 838 00:44:27,373 --> 00:44:31,960 She's got new kids coming, and she's got a new squad now. 839 00:44:32,044 --> 00:44:33,837 [Steevy] She's gonna keep finding people. 840 00:44:33,921 --> 00:44:36,340 There's always the next person ready to go. 841 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,926 It's still happening. It's still going on. 842 00:44:39,009 --> 00:44:43,097 You'd think a lawsuit would make her stop. It's not. 843 00:44:44,098 --> 00:44:46,266 [Amber] This is not just these 11 kids. 844 00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:49,019 There's so many others. 845 00:44:49,103 --> 00:44:50,104 So many others. 846 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,482 And if something isn't done, 847 00:44:54,525 --> 00:44:56,402 these won't be the last kids either. 848 00:44:56,485 --> 00:44:57,653 [tense music continues] 849 00:44:59,613 --> 00:45:00,781 [music fades] 850 00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:03,158 [Claire laughs] 851 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,079 [Matt] There's a victim in all of this 852 00:45:07,913 --> 00:45:10,249 who isn't represented at this table 853 00:45:10,332 --> 00:45:12,710 and may not know she's a victim. 854 00:45:12,793 --> 00:45:14,253 -[Ashley] Mm-hmm. -And that's Piper. 855 00:45:14,336 --> 00:45:16,380 -[Ashley] Absolutely. -Piper has no voice in this. 856 00:45:16,463 --> 00:45:17,965 -[Ashley] Yeah. -[Amber] Yeah. 857 00:45:18,048 --> 00:45:19,007 [Matt] She's not here. 858 00:45:19,091 --> 00:45:23,095 She's been very restricted in what she can do and who she can interact with. 859 00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:26,098 -The first victim here is Piper. -[Angela] Mm-hmm. 860 00:45:27,224 --> 00:45:28,809 [Steevy] I mean, from pageant days, 861 00:45:28,892 --> 00:45:33,439 and, you know, those early days when Corinne was filming with her, 862 00:45:34,356 --> 00:45:36,066 uh, she was just a little girl. 863 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:38,694 -[Tiffany] Corinne! Yeehaw, girl! -[poignant music playing] 864 00:45:38,777 --> 00:45:39,695 Piper! 865 00:45:39,778 --> 00:45:40,738 Yeehaw, girl! 866 00:45:40,821 --> 00:45:42,990 [Tiffany] All right! Woo-hoo! 867 00:45:43,907 --> 00:45:46,910 [Sarah] I think in her earlier videos, when she was younger, 868 00:45:46,994 --> 00:45:49,371 there was a little bit of light. 869 00:45:49,455 --> 00:45:52,791 I think it was exciting and fun. 870 00:45:52,875 --> 00:45:56,295 And I look at the videos over the past year, 871 00:45:56,378 --> 00:45:59,339 and it doesn't look exciting. 872 00:45:59,423 --> 00:46:00,841 It doesn't look fun. 873 00:46:00,924 --> 00:46:03,886 She doesn't look… happy. 874 00:46:05,179 --> 00:46:06,722 And it's worrisome. 875 00:46:07,681 --> 00:46:10,309 I'm trying not to laugh here, okay? [chuckles awkwardly] 876 00:46:10,392 --> 00:46:12,186 -[Hunter] Keep going. Come on. -And now-- 877 00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:14,938 [Hunter] "We're gonna show you game mode." That's all you fucking say. 878 00:46:15,856 --> 00:46:20,360 [Karen] Imagine a world where every time you do anything, 879 00:46:20,444 --> 00:46:24,239 tens of thousands of people can comment and criticize you. 880 00:46:25,365 --> 00:46:31,121 You never have the freedom to try things out and make mistakes. 881 00:46:31,872 --> 00:46:34,291 And what people don't remember 882 00:46:34,374 --> 00:46:37,711 is that that is a real child with real emotions 883 00:46:37,795 --> 00:46:43,091 who is now being devastated by the negative public attention. 884 00:46:44,802 --> 00:46:47,679 You have to worry about that kid's well-being 885 00:46:47,763 --> 00:46:52,309 and about that kid's ability to figure out who they are in the world. 886 00:46:52,392 --> 00:46:57,356 ["Liar" by Tiny Deaths playing] ♪ I don't want to be another ♪ 887 00:46:57,439 --> 00:47:00,192 ♪ Liar ♪ 888 00:47:00,734 --> 00:47:02,528 ♪ I don't want to sink ♪ 889 00:47:02,611 --> 00:47:08,242 ♪ Into the sand… ♪ 890 00:47:08,325 --> 00:47:10,786 [Tiffany] Go ahead. Then maybe blow the camera a kiss. 891 00:47:10,869 --> 00:47:11,787 [smooches] 892 00:47:12,329 --> 00:47:13,330 [smooches] 893 00:47:13,413 --> 00:47:15,582 [poignant music continues] 894 00:47:15,666 --> 00:47:17,334 [Sophie] I genuinely hope 895 00:47:17,417 --> 00:47:20,420 that Piper is able to realize what she's in and get out. 896 00:47:20,504 --> 00:47:21,880 She doesn't even realize it now. 897 00:47:21,964 --> 00:47:23,882 -[Claire] I know. -She thinks that's normal. So-- 898 00:47:23,966 --> 00:47:25,217 [Claire] And that's so sad. 899 00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:27,177 Her mom is in her ear all the time. 900 00:47:27,261 --> 00:47:30,013 And if she's watching this right now… 901 00:47:30,514 --> 00:47:32,850 -Hey! It's not normal. -[Sophie] Yeah. 902 00:47:32,933 --> 00:47:36,395 Go… go be somewhere where it's not connected to a Hunter, 903 00:47:36,478 --> 00:47:38,272 it's not connected to a Tiffany. 904 00:47:38,355 --> 00:47:43,110 'Cause I feel like when we all left, we wanted Piper to get out. 905 00:47:43,193 --> 00:47:45,654 But I feel like we all had to do this thing 906 00:47:45,737 --> 00:47:47,781 where it was like we needed to save ourselves. 907 00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:50,325 Even if we didn't necessarily want to 908 00:47:50,409 --> 00:47:52,494 'cause we felt bad leaving somebody stranded. 909 00:47:52,578 --> 00:47:53,745 [music continues] 910 00:47:55,205 --> 00:47:57,958 [Claire] It was extremely hard for me to leave Piper 911 00:47:58,041 --> 00:48:02,546 because I didn't want her to feel like I was abandoning her. 912 00:48:03,630 --> 00:48:05,132 [chuckles] I'm trying not to cry. 913 00:48:05,632 --> 00:48:06,633 Huh! 914 00:48:07,301 --> 00:48:08,302 Okay. 915 00:48:08,385 --> 00:48:09,511 [music continues] 916 00:48:10,804 --> 00:48:12,514 [voice breaks] It was really hard, 917 00:48:12,598 --> 00:48:17,352 especially having somebody my age who's in my family 918 00:48:17,436 --> 00:48:20,898 and I can connect with and be friends with. 919 00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:22,816 It was just really hard to leave her. 920 00:48:23,317 --> 00:48:25,360 And I still feel bad about it. So… 921 00:48:25,444 --> 00:48:26,570 [sobs] 922 00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:28,614 Huh. 923 00:48:29,948 --> 00:48:31,158 [music abates] 924 00:48:33,702 --> 00:48:35,871 I just want her to know that it's not her fault. 925 00:48:36,455 --> 00:48:38,624 I don't want her to blame herself for anything. 926 00:48:39,124 --> 00:48:43,128 And I still love her, and I still care about her very much. 927 00:48:44,838 --> 00:48:46,256 [music builds] 928 00:48:46,340 --> 00:48:47,299 ♪ Ooh ♪ 929 00:48:47,382 --> 00:48:52,679 -♪ Another liar… ♪ -[indistinct chatter, giggling] 930 00:48:52,763 --> 00:48:54,056 -[Claire] Oh. -Go, go, go. 931 00:48:54,139 --> 00:48:55,641 -[Reese] Bring it back. -It's starting. 932 00:48:55,724 --> 00:49:00,228 -♪ Another liar… ♪ -[Corinne] Three, two, one. 933 00:49:00,312 --> 00:49:02,439 ♪ Please don't leave me alone… ♪ 934 00:49:03,523 --> 00:49:07,110 [Corinne] All of us are here for her, and we would help her. 935 00:49:07,194 --> 00:49:10,530 There's so much better that she deserves. 936 00:49:10,614 --> 00:49:13,742 Piper is a super sweet girl. 937 00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:18,246 And she deserves good friends and a good environment to be around. 938 00:49:19,706 --> 00:49:20,540 ♪ Ooh ♪ 939 00:49:20,624 --> 00:49:25,420 -♪ Another liar… ♪ -[Claire giggles] 940 00:49:25,504 --> 00:49:28,507 -♪ Don't leave me alone ♪ -♪ Leave me alone ♪ 941 00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:30,676 [music continues] 942 00:49:34,763 --> 00:49:38,058 [Claire blows raspberry, laughs] 943 00:49:38,141 --> 00:49:39,768 [laughter echoes] 944 00:49:39,851 --> 00:49:41,103 -[ping] -[music fades] 945 00:49:43,605 --> 00:49:45,607 [tense, pulsing music playing] 946 00:50:25,647 --> 00:50:26,481 [music fades] 947 00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:28,150 [poignant piano music playing] 948 00:51:24,122 --> 00:51:25,373 [music fades]