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[Fred] I swore on the kids' lives that
I wouldn't shop Rose for what she did.
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{\an8}I'd take the blame and be done with it.
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And then Rose can get the children back,
and they could just carry on.
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And that's been worrying me.
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They know that she's mixed up in it,
don't they?
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[typewriter keys click]
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[gentle music playing]
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[male reporter] Gloucestershire police are
facing an increasingly complex task
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as the number of bodies recovered
in 25 Cromwell Street continues to grow.
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The police are still not ruling out
the possibility of more discoveries.
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So at that point,
we had found nine bodies.
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[ominous music playing]
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And we knew there was
other members of his family
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who were missing and unaccounted for.
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So we knew it was a possibility
that there was more bodies there.
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Early on, the murder squad
draw up a family tree, big family tree,
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to find out who's missing.
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{\an8}And there was a question mark
about Fred's first wife, Rena,
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{\an8}and her daughter, Charmaine.
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{\an8}No one's seen her since 1971,
over 20 years.
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[Howard Ogden] Can we recap?
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Yesterday, you indicated a field
at a place called…
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Kempley.
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[male officer] Who is buried there?
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Rena.
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Do you reckon you can… you'll be able
to take us to the spot then, Fred?
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[Fred West] Yeah, it's marked with a tree.
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[typewriter keys click]
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{\an8}[music fades out]
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{\an8}[male officer] That's Mr. West,
his solicitor,
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{\an8}an entourage of, uh, police officers.
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The area that the prisoner was indicating
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that, uh, the remains will be found
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is under the, uh, nearest tree.
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[male reporter] The body
of Catherine Costello was found
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in a cornfield
near Gloucester earlier this week.
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Police had been digging there after
switching their operation from the house
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where Mr. West lived
and where nine other bodies were found.
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[Russ Williams] Without Fred's indication
of where Rena Costello is,
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we wouldn't have gone and dug up
a random field in Much Marcle.
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So that information came from Fred.
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So the question is,
why was Fred telling us that?
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And there was more information
coming through all the time.
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[Janet Leach] So, we actually
came back here
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late in the evening,
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{\an8}and, um, we walked
straight across the field.
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Um, it was quite dark.
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But he really wanted
to come back to this field
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because this is where
Ann McFall was buried.
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When I came back from that field and
said to Janet that there was a girl, Ann…
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- Ann?
- Ann McFall.
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Ann McFall.
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Ann McFall was a Scottish teenager
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who Fred met in Glasgow
when he was with Rena.
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She, in fact, becomes the West nanny.
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{\an8}And she hadn't been seen since 1967.
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You start to think,
how many more victims were there?
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But all I hope is that all efforts
are made to find Ann altogether.
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They will be.
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[Fred West] That's what I want.
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[Russ Williams] The police were still
in the dark about a lot of things,
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so they're still reliant upon Fred
providing that information.
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He knew the more
that he could take on board himself,
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{\an8}the less that this was
going to come onto Rose.
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{\an8}Where the difficulty
was always going to be
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was the death of Charmaine,
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because he was not going to be able
to put Rose out of the picture.
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What we'd like to know, Fred,
is what happened to Charmaine?
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Did these dreadful things
happen to this little child?
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[Fred West] I don't know.
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[Russ Williams] When she went missing,
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we knew Charmaine lived with
Fred and Rose at this previous address,
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25 Midland Road.
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- We began to search the premises.
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{\an8}[male officer] Arriving at the scene
at 25 Midland Road,
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{\an8}this is Mr. Frederick West.
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{\an8}That room wasn't there.
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{\an8}- Yeah?
- This was a hallway.
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{\an8}This was a breakfast room here.
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{\an8}[Hazel Savage] Do you realize
why you're here?
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{\an8}[Fred West] Yeah.
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{\an8}[Hazel Savage] Tell us, then.
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{\an8}[Fred West] To tell you
where Charmaine is.
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{\an8}[Hazel Savage] Right. We need to know
if you can help us at all.
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{\an8}[Fred West] Yeah.
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{\an8}[Janet Leach] He was sort of looking
round the backyard.
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{\an8}There was, like, a crack
going right up the house,
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{\an8}and there was, um, a mark on the wall,
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and he said that's where Charmaine was,
in the middle of the foundations.
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{\an8}[Darren Law] Sorry, Fred,
Charmaine would have been
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{\an8}- in there, where you're indicating?
- [Fred West] Yeah.
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{\an8}[Darren Law] Can you try
and mark it with that?
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{\an8}[male officer] How old was she, Fred?
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{\an8}[Fred West] She must have been
seven or eight.
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[male reporter] Dig site number three,
and now an 11th body.
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Late last night, a few feet
under the kitchen foundations
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of Frederick West's
former home in Gloucester,
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they uncovered human remains.
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Pathologist Professor Bernard Knight
is now examining them in situ.
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His initial findings will determine
the age and sex of the victim.
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[music fades out]
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[Darren Law] I don't know
if you're aware or not,
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Fred, there's been a find at Midland Road.
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Ah, yes.
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Any comment you'd like to make?
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Just glad that they found her, that's all.
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"Find her." By "her" you mean…
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Well, it must be Charmaine.
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[dramatic music playing]
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Having had all the admissions from Fred,
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{\an8}we were still working so hard
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{\an8}to get the evidence
to prove that Rose was involved.
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How did Rose get on with Charmaine?
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Well, Rose accepted them
as my daughters, as far as I know.
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As far as you know.
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[music ends]
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[Scott Canavan] Rose apparently
used to abuse Charmaine.
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{\an8}I can remember when we were in the house,
Fred telling of how Rose used to make her
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{\an8}stand on a chair in the kitchen
with her hands tied behind her back
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for hours and hours on end
as a punishment.
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Did you kill Charmaine, Fred?
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No comment.
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- Fred, did that happen?
- She was my daughter.
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Why kill her?
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I can't understand that.
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I got no comment on that.
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But it doesn't make sense to me, Fred.
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[dramatic music playing]
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Early in the investigation,
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they found a box of letters,
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including prison letters,
between Fred and Rose.
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Fred was serving a prison sentence
for a petty offense.
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And in one of these letters,
Rose said to Fred,
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"Darling, about Charmaine,
she likes to be handled rough."
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"Why do I have to be the one to do it?"
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[music intensifies]
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Charmaine started playing up.
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Um, got cheeky towards Rose.
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I said, "You're just going to have to try
and control it until I can come home."
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[Russ Williams] The evidence
was mounting up
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at the time of her death,
Fred was likely to have been in prison.
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We suspected the person responsible
for the death of Charmaine was Rose.
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But at that point,
we had no way of proving it.
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[music fades out]
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[gentle ominous music playing]
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[man] My job is identifying the dead
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and making absolutely sure that
we knew which set of remains were which.
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What I'm doing is collecting information,
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photographs from family, you know,
anywhere they can get them.
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And superimpose it on the remains
and look for points of similarity.
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So, of course,
I need a top-quality photograph
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{\an8}and a lot of information in it.
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{\an8}And I just wasn't getting it.
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You can imagine what they're like,
you know, little snapshots.
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Faded, a lot of shadow, no teeth showing.
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And this set of remains, Charmaine,
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I was actually thinking
we've got a major problem.
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I couldn't determine
when this person died.
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But if we could get
some quality image photographs
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that we know are Charmaine,
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then I might be able to do something.
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[music intensifies]
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[music fades out]
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[man] We were looking
at something that was
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almost unprecedented in modern times.
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We're talking about a period of 30 years,
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{\an8}of people who were coming into contact
with Fred and Rose West
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who were not seeing
the reality of their lives.
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{\an8}The government decided
there had to be an inquiry.
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{\an8}For me, the task was
actually trying to sort out
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what actually went on with the children
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in that house in Cromwell Street.
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{\an8}[Fred West] How come it looks
all black and white?
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{\an8}[woman] It looks all blue, don't it?
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{\an8}[children laughing]
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{\an8}We felt a lot happier to be at school,
where we felt safe, um.
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It was a better place to be
than to be at home.
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[somber music playing]
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[Rose] Get these rocks, Steve,
they'll be nice.
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[child] Hello!
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[Stephen West] Mom always disciplined us.
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She could never just
hit us once and forget it.
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She would just lose her temper
in a big way over just a little thing.
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And she wouldn't…
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You know, once she started hitting us,
I felt she found it hard to stop.
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It was always our fault.
It was always something we deserved.
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It was obvious Mom and Dad
didn't want us to say anything to anybody.
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My girlfriend spoke to a teacher
about, um, the beatings that I was having.
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Um.
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Really, in a way, I wanted them
to do something about it,
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but the risk was that we all split up,
and that was something I didn't want.
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We didn't have the courage
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to be able to come out and say,
"Look, this is happening to us."
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{\an8}[John Fitzgerald] What we found was that
the surviving children in the West family
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{\an8}have experienced some appalling abuse.
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{\an8}They know how horrible it could get,
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{\an8}and they know
that it could have got worse.
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Faced with talking to the police,
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the fear of what could happen
must have been extraordinary.
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[music fades out]
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[Hazel Savage] I don't know if you've been
told about Mae and Stephen at all?
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- No.
- Right.
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They have told us that
they are prepared to talk to us
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about everything that they know about.
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They're not going to lie.
Mae's certainly not going to lie, anyway.
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- Whatever Mae says will be the dead truth.
- Will it?
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[Fred West] It will be. Exactly.
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[eerie music playing]
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Well, Mae has made
allegations against you.
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I don't believe it.
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"About 1985, my dad began to touch
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both myself and Heather
in an indecent manner."
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"He would touch me on a daily basis."
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"Heather and I decided that
when Dad had first started touching us,
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that we would never give in."
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"And we were both determined about it."
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What about that then, Fred?
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No comment.
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[John Fitzgerald] If we're really looking
for lessons from this particular case,
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above all else,
the importance of listening to children.
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These murders would
never have come to light
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if it wasn't for the children of the Wests
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saying that they had
a sister under the patio.
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They were brave enough to speak up.
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[music fades out]
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[Howard Sounes] By this stage, all victims
have been recovered and identified.
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[dramatic music playing]
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That was the end
of that part of the murder investigation.
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We've got 12 victims,
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we've got two suspects,
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and now they've got
enough evidence to charge Rose.
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But she doesn't admit to anything,
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so there's no smoking gun in this.
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She's blamed her husband,
who in turn took all the blame himself.
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They were in it together,
and they protected each other.
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- [music continues]
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[male reporter] Frederick West is driven
into Gloucester Magistrates Court.
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Just minutes away from a reunion
with his wife, Rosemary,
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she arrived moments later.
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This is the first time
they'd seen each other
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since they were arrested four months ago.
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When I saw her in the holding suite,
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{\an8}she was maybe a little pensive
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{\an8}that she was getting
into the dock with Fred West.
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[Howard Ogden] He imagined that
she'd be maybe blowing him a kiss
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and they might mooch along the bench
to be closer in the dock.
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No.
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[Howard Sounes] I go down there.
Every seat is taken.
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Fred West is brought up, so suddenly
we see Fred West for the first time.
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And I see this stocky, wild-looking man
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with wild, curly hair, bright blue eyes,
broken nose, gappy teeth.
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And then Rose is brought up.
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When Fred West was escorted into the dock,
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he leaned forward
and touched her shoulder.
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She didn't acknowledge this gesture.
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There appeared to be
no communication between them,
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Rosemary steadfastly ignoring him.
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Later, when they were taken down,
Fred West again tried to lean over
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and touch his wife's back.
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This time,
the prison officer pushed away his hand.
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That was the point.
She made it obvious and public
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that she was turning against Fred West.
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[Russ Williams] Whatever Fred was trying
to do to help her wasn't working.
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So now she needed to distance herself.
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[music fades out]
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You know what Rose is doing now?
Distancing me and her.
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See, I'm beginning to wonder,
did Rose have any love towards me at all?
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Or was I somebody
there to use all the time?
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I was easy touch
and do as I'm told and not interfere.
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[ominous music playing]
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[Russ Williams] He's starting now to see
that this relationship is deteriorating
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to the point where it may no longer exist.
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"Why am I doing this?
Why am I taking all the flak?"
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[male officer] Right,
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I had asked you whether or not
there was any other person
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who was common…
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to the 12 bodies.
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Well, it's obvious there is, isn't it?
Somebody else.
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[Howard Sounes] Fred West changes.
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He realizes that
his wife is betraying him.
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Fred, monster though he was,
is heartbroken, and he falls apart.
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The reason I could not tell the truth
is because I'm protecting somebody
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and I am still protecting somebody.
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I can't say it no plainer than that.
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All I'd ask is
a direct answer to a direct question.
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Is Rose West the person?
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[music intensifies]
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The lines were becoming intensely drawn.
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Fred West's whole situation
was falling apart.
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If I'm going to have
any chance in this case at all,
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I've got to go back and tell the truth.
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Why should I take the rap?
Rose broke every promise she made to me.
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But I did none of it on my own.
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[music fades out]
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I hated him. I hated what he did.
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It's so unbelievable that you're trying
to make sense of it every day.
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[somber dramatic music playing]
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I asked the police, "Could I see him?"
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It was probably one of the hardest things
I ever did, to face him.
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He was just crying.
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He was very, very down.
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Um, I'd never seen him like that before.
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And to see him cry
was hard to sort of accept.
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He told me that he would never
tell anybody the whole truth,
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that it was worse than I could imagine.
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He promised me he would die
with them never knowing
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the full extent of what he did.
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- [music intensifies]
- [clock ticking]
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[music fades out]
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[typewriter keys click]
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[news theme tune playing]
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Good evening.
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Frederick West, the Gloucester builder
whose home concealed nine corpses,
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has been found dead.
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[male reporter 1] This lunchtime
at Winson Green prison,
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prison officers found him
hanging in his cell.
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There's little doubt that West's death
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is a severe embarrassment
to the prison authorities.
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[male reporter 2] Yesterday, his son
Stephen told the inquest his father
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had said he planned to kill himself
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in the belief
it would free his wife, Rosemary.
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He was yet again
allowed to cheat the legal system
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and all victim's families from doing
the time for the crimes he committed.
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[dramatic music playing]
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{\an8}We were all very, very angry.
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{\an8}Upset, but angry.
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It was just…
To us, it was like the chicken's way out.
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Coward's way.
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For months, I'd been involved in
this dark depravity of the investigation.
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We were just preparing for the court case.
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The news hits.
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The heart's been ripped out
of the investigation.
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It was devastating.
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[male reporter] Rosemary West in public
for the first time
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since her husband was found
hanging in his cell on New Year's Day.
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According to Rosemary West's solicitor,
Leo Goatley,
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the case against her, which he claims
was flimsy, is now even flimsier.
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It was Fred who'd made admissions.
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It was Rose that had
always denied everything.
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With him out of the picture,
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it did occur to me, "Perhaps this is it,
it's not going to go to trial."
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I wasn't sure how she was going to feel.
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They were husband and wife,
and she loved him.
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And I got to see Rose.
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She was calm, she was quiet.
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There was a tear in her eye,
and yet a slight look of glee on her face.
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And I think in her mind, she felt
that she could well be off the hook.
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[music swells]
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[music fades out]
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[Marian] Somebody had asked me,
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as a family of a victim,
what did I want to happen?
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What would justice be?
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[gentle music playing]
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I didn't think that
anything would take away the pain.
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But I had this real need to go and do
something that was about reclaiming Lucy.
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[Russ Williams] So I had initial contact
with Marian.
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And of course, the question is,
when can we see her?
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And I had to have
a fairly honest conversation with her
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about what she's going to see,
what her expectations are.
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But Marian being Marian,
that didn't put her off one bit.
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[Marian] Russell arranged to meet us
in a mortuary in Cardiff.
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And I just went up and I… lifted the lid.
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And there was Lucy's skull.
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Such a beautiful thing.
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[music intensifies]
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And then I got the blanket
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and I wrapped her skull
in the blanket and put it back.
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It was really the most healing part
of the whole experience for me,
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because it was like I didn't see
the horror that had led to this.
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I just saw the beauty.
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And I just knew that
it was the right thing to be doing.
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I just wanted
to reclaim Lucy as my sister.
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[music fades out]
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[birds cawing]
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[dramatic music playing]
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[man] If we just move across.
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Yeah. The eyes, the eyes
aren't bad there, actually.
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- No.
- It's just…
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[David Whittaker] By this time,
Frederick West was out of the picture.
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And this particular set of remains,
Charmaine, became absolutely crucial.
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{\an8}Having identified
all the other sets of remains,
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{\an8}the one case that was
really going to matter, Charmaine,
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{\an8}I couldn't do anything with.
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And then this photograph appeared.
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Miraculously.
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We'd got the quality,
we'd got the teeth visible,
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and also it was dated.
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We could then look at the extent of change
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that had occurred
since the photograph was taken.
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And if we can estimate
that period of time,
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we've not only identified Charmaine,
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but we've determined
when she died as well.
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And that was very, very crucial evidence
in the case against Rosemary West.
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[Russ Williams] We were able
to positively identify
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Fred was in prison
when Charmaine was killed,
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which then purely put the onus onto Rose
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as being the perpetrator
of that single crime.
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[music intensifies]
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This was massive for us.
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{\an8}This morning, Rosemary West was charged
with the murder of Charmaine West.
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Today, a spokesman said
the Crown would be seeking
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her committal to trial
on the ten murder charges.
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[Howard Sounes] The whole country wants
this horrible story to have a resolution.
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And then midway through '95,
the date was set,
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Winchester Crown Court, October.
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- [birds cawing]
- [music fades out]
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[Dezra] It was a cold day,
but the sun was shining.
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And, uh, our liaison officer
met me for the trial.
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And he said to me,
"Would you like to go to the house?"
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And, uh, I remember going in the street
and standing in front of the house.
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There was a wall there where
she would sit when she was out having…
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Out talking to friends, or the chip shop
at the corner where she used to go.
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So that was nice,
him telling me things like that.
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Then he took me around the back,
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because I wanted to be
where they'd found her.
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It may sound weird…
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I was glad she was found in the garden.
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It just seemed
that's where people get buried,
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in the earth.
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00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:29,720
That's one small comfort I have
from where she was laid to rest.
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00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,960
The next day then, a car was
picking us up and taking us to the court.
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00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,080
[typewriter keys click]
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[typewriter keys click]
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My name is Brian Leveson.
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In 1995, I was a Queen's Counsel.
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00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,480
{\an8}I was approached
by the Crown Prosecution Service
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{\an8}to prosecute the case.
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I have prosecuted all sorts of crime.
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00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,880
But if I had to identify one case that
lives with me the most, this is the case.
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00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,800
The leading counsel in the defense
was Richard Ferguson QC,
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one of the leading
criminal barristers of the time.
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00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,960
No, I'm sorry. Professionally,
we're not allowed to make any comment.
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He led Sasha Wass, now Sasha Wass KC,
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who was herself
a very capable criminal lawyer.
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[woman] I was asked
whether I wanted to do this case,
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00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,040
and to be frank, there was no question
of me turning it down.
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00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,360
It was an extraordinary case.
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00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,200
I was a junior counsel.
I'd been doing criminal work for 13 years.
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00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,600
- Don't hold your breath. Okay?
- [man] Okay.
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00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,160
[Sasha Wass] I'd done a couple of cases
in which there'd been press interest,
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but nothing like this.
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00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,240
There were press everywhere.
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[male reporter] Hampshire police have
mounted strict security along the route,
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closing roads as the convoy
made its three-minute journey
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to Winchester city center.
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00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,120
It became like a piece of theater.
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00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,280
[crowd] Murderer! Murderer!
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00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,600
Court three was a very large courtroom.
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[dramatic music playing]
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00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Rose is brought into the dock.
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00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,000
She's short, she wears spectacles,
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00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,320
she's got a gold cross round her neck.
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00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,480
She's doing her best
to appear respectable.
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00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,040
And she's very subdued.
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00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,000
There's no show of emotion.
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She just sits there and listens.
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00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,520
[Brian Leveson] Rose West pleaded
not guilty to all counts
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and maintained her innocence
from first to last.
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00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,520
One of the big challenges of the case
469
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:12,160
is that there was no evidence
of a direct nature.
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00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,800
Nobody said,
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00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,840
"I saw Fred stab." Or "Rosemary strangle."
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00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,480
The case depended
on circumstantial evidence.
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00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,720
Circumstantial evidence really relies on
several different strands of evidence.
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00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,440
And in this case, the prosecution
called several witnesses to say
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00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,320
that Rosemary West
and Frederick West had acted together
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00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,560
in circumstances which were very similar,
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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:49,000
said the prosecution, to the way in which
the murder victims had been abused.
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00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,080
[Howard Sounes] A succession of witnesses
are called for the prosecution,
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and I think maybe three or four in,
we have Caroline Owens,
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the one that got away.
481
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,040
[male reporter] Arriving in a closed van
with other witnesses,
482
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,040
Caroline Owens came
to Winchester Crown Court
483
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,720
with a first-hand account of
what she claimed was a night of terror.
484
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,440
[Howard Sounes] Caroline Owens became
a really significant person,
485
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,640
because she was a documented case
486
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,440
of a woman whom
the Wests had attacked together.
487
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,360
She comes into the witness box
and she tells her story,
488
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,280
and it was the most powerful
direct evidence against Rose.
489
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,120
[Caroline Owens] I don't think
490
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,760
{\an8}people realize how much
491
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,160
{\an8}guilt survivors feel.
492
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,720
[somber music playing]
493
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,600
[crying] I realized they started killing
three months after my court case in '72.
494
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,760
And to my mind,
if I'd pushed the rape charge,
495
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,160
[sniffles]
496
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,840
they would have been alive.
497
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,840
So, given that opportunity
to actually be a witness against her…
498
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:20,280
kind of set me free a little bit.
499
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:28,120
Even though, like, all my little secrets
and my little demons were out there
500
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,880
on view to the world,
501
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,160
I actually, for the first time in
my lifetime, I think, felt self-respect.
502
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,280
I went in there to get justice
for the girls that didn't make it.
503
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,400
[Sasha Wass] Caroline Owens was
a very powerful witness,
504
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,680
and she kept herself together
throughout all of her evidence
505
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,920
right until the end,
um, when she broke down.
506
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,960
She felt she had to do justice
for the girls that didn't make it.
507
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,920
That was a very telling piece of evidence.
508
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,200
[music fades out]
509
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,080
[Mary-Ann] The whole lead-up to the trial,
and the trial,
510
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,960
{\an8}is very, very blurred,
because all I can think at the time was,
511
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,800
"This has happened to Juanita.
Oh my God, this has happened to Juanita."
512
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,000
"This is real."
513
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:41,160
"Now I'm going to have to re-hear it all
again in a court, but I have to do it."
514
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,440
[somber music playing]
515
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,400
[Belinda] It was just panic attacks.
516
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,280
Anxiety was real bad.
517
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,240
You listen,
518
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:00,800
you know what's going on and you can hear
the gasps of other people listening.
519
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,160
Me personally, I couldn't take it all in,
520
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,640
listening to the amount of stuff
that went on.
521
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,280
It was just…
522
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,840
How? How could they do it?
523
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,200
How or why?
524
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,640
[music fades out]
525
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,520
[Sasha Wass] The job of the lawyer
is to advise their client
526
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,720
as to the benefits
and the pitfalls of giving evidence.
527
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,840
But the ultimate decision is always,
always the defendant's.
528
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,160
[ominous music playing]
529
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,760
[male reporter 1] Rosemary West, on trial
at Winchester, accused of ten murders,
530
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,280
today became the first witness
called in her own defense.
531
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,560
She was reminded on several occasions
532
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,400
that it was up to her
whether she wanted to give evidence.
533
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:56,640
She had a certain confidence.
She wanted her day in court.
534
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,920
[male reporter 2] The moment arrived
at midday.
535
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,960
Mrs. West spoke of her troubled early life
536
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,600
and was often in tears as she described
how she'd twice been raped
537
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,840
before she met Fred West at the age of 15.
538
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,760
She said that Frederick West
had promised to love and care for her.
539
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,080
Because she was so young,
she'd fallen for his lies.
540
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,520
And so she's led through
her life with Fred at Cromwell Street,
541
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,840
whereby she gives us the impression
that they lived separate lives
542
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,560
and Fred sent her out
to have sex with other men,
543
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,160
leaving Fred at home.
544
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,920
And what Fred did at home when
she wasn't at home, she didn't know about.
545
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,760
Rose West was very defensive and defiant
546
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,880
to the point of almost being convincing.
547
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:42,360
Uh, the stumbling block was
when she was cross-examined.
548
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,800
[male reporter 2] Brian Leveson QC
began his cross-examination.
549
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,360
He said, "You never saw anything
that alerted you to the horror
550
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,400
of what had been happening at your homes?"
551
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,560
"That's right, sir," she replied.
552
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,600
Nor had she seen
any unexplained bloodstains in the house
553
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,440
or anything to suggest that
children had been sexually abused there.
554
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,040
Mr. Leveson then asked Mrs. West
555
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,320
about her eight-year-old stepdaughter,
Charmaine.
556
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,400
He would be relentless,
he wouldn't pause, he just kept going.
557
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,000
You could see her getting flustered
and agitated
558
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,000
and frustrated by the process.
559
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,160
After further questions, she said,
560
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:23,280
"I couldn't have killed a little girl
at that time or at any time."
561
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,920
"You abused that girl," said Mr. Leveson.
562
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,800
"Not to the extent you'd like to think,"
said Mrs. West.
563
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,560
"You killed her
and kept the body for Fred to bury."
564
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,000
"No, sir, where could I have kept
a body in Midland Road?"
565
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,320
She saw no evil,
heard no evil, and did no evil,
566
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,640
whilst, of course, living in the same
small house as a mass murderer.
567
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,760
[music fades out]
568
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,560
As a journalist, as a reporter,
569
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,760
you're never supposed to pay witnesses,
certainly before a trial,
570
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,640
but we found ways round it.
571
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,840
The money is paid after conviction.
572
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,200
And I confess, I offered witnesses money.
573
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,160
And the money goes up and up.
574
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,640
You start at 1,000, 5,000, 10,000, 30,000.
575
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:14,600
[dramatic music]
576
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,240
[Brian Leveson] Press payments was
an enormous issue in the trial
577
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:26,320
because it provided a hook for
the defense to challenge the witnesses.
578
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:32,640
"You've said this not because it's true,
but because you're being paid
579
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,600
to make it as newsworthy as possible."
580
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:43,360
And so, I had everybody researched
for deals with the press, everybody.
581
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,840
Including the appropriate adult,
Janet Leach.
582
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,320
[music fades out]
583
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:59,400
As far as the prosecution were concerned,
Janet Leach was going to save the case.
584
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,480
She hadn't entered into
any agreement for her story,
585
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,360
and she was a completely clean skin,
586
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,880
so they felt very confident
calling her as a witness.
587
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,360
Fred took a liking to Janet,
588
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:16,120
whereby he then confided in her
things that he didn't tell the police,
589
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,360
and as a result,
she becomes probably the star witness,
590
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,880
probably the biggest witness
for the prosecution.
591
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,880
He told me at the beginning
about the pact that they'd made
592
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,720
that he was going to take
the brunt of it all,
593
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,440
and that it was worth it.
594
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,840
He was clearing up
a lot of Rose's mistakes,
595
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,640
"little mistakes," she used to call them.
596
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,400
Rose was involved right from the onset.
597
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,600
It was time to tell the truth.
598
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,680
[Howard Sounes ] I felt, and I think
the whole court felt, "This is the truth."
599
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,640
"Of course Rose is involved,
and finally somebody is saying it."
600
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,640
That evidence, for me, was very powerful,
and I'm sure it was for the jury.
601
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Our approach was to ask a witness
whether they had been paid,
602
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:14,600
and she denied vehemently
that she had been paid for her story.
603
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,400
As far as that case was concerned,
604
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:21,240
you couldn't imagine
things could become more extraordinary,
605
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,480
um, but they did.
606
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,200
The trial of Rosemary West has gripped
the courtroom on so many occasions.
607
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,760
Today, on the 24th
and final day of evidence,
608
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,160
another revelation
which will dominate tomorrow's headlines.
609
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,400
Asked whether
she'd told the truth last week
610
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,120
about her dealings with the media,
611
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,600
Mrs. Leach paused before saying no.
612
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,720
She had sold her story
to my newspaper group,
613
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,120
and this emerges during her evidence.
614
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,560
[siren wails]
615
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,360
She has a kind of breakdown.
She collapses.
616
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,040
Everyone is shocked.
617
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,440
Brian Leveson is shocked.
John Bennett almost has a heart attack.
618
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,040
This is really
a body blow to the prosecution.
619
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,560
The trial has to be stopped.
620
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,600
Three days pass. A weekend passes.
621
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,960
Finally, we're told
the trial is going to resume.
622
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,640
She was brought back in a wheelchair,
623
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:25,120
but in effect, she was damaged goods
as far as the prosecution were concerned.
624
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,840
I was getting a lot of flashbacks
and having panic attacks.
625
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,520
It was just all too much.
626
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,720
I felt that I was doing a duty,
627
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,360
but I was totally out of my depth.
628
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,160
[Howard Sounes] Suddenly it's over,
629
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,640
and as I listened to the prosecution case,
630
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,680
by the end of it I was wondering,
where was the evidence?
631
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,120
Where's the evidence this woman
killed anybody? I haven't heard it.
632
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,880
She hasn't confessed.
There's no forensic evidence.
633
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,400
There's no fingerprints.
There's no murder weapon.
634
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:14,320
The outcome of this trial
was far from a foregone conclusion.
635
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,560
[Sasha Wass] It never gets any easier
waiting for a jury…
636
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,040
but it's a very stressful time
637
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,760
because you want to do
your best for your client,
638
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,320
and that means a not guilty verdict.
639
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,280
[Brian Leveson] You're thinking,
"Is there some point I've missed?"
640
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,000
"What are the jury thinking about?"
You don't know.
641
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:42,520
Because it was by no means a given
that Rosemary West would be convicted.
642
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,040
[Leo Goatley] I think Rose…
643
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,760
I think she was confident
about how things were gonna go.
644
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,200
[Howard Sounes] Anything could happen.
645
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,720
I wouldn't have been surprised
if she walked free.
646
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,240
And then, of course,
you have this Tannoy system in the court.
647
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,520
"Everyone attending court number three,
please return to court."
648
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,480
And you all pile back into court,
and yeah, they've got a verdict.
649
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,840
[clock ticking]
650
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,400
[music fades out]
651
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,640
Rosemary West has been convicted of
652
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:25,080
ten of the most horrific murders
in British criminal history.
653
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,640
[male reporter 1] Mr. Justice Mantell
didn't waste his breath on a long speech.
654
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:33,920
"Rosemary Pauline West," he said,
"on each of the ten counts of murder
655
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,840
on which you have been
unanimously convicted by the jury,
656
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,560
the sentence is one of life imprisonment."
657
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,400
He added, "If attention is paid
to what I think,
658
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,400
you will never be released."
659
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,640
He then ordered the prison officers
to take her down.
660
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,800
[somber music playing]
661
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,400
[Russ Williams] I remember John said
to us, "Don't show any emotion."
662
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,520
We sat there stony faced.
663
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,360
What was happening inside was,
I think, a degree of relief.
664
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,320
I was pleased mostly for the victims,
for the families.
665
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,960
[John Bennett] And the families.
666
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:20,040
No one can appreciate the pain
and suffering they have been through
667
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,760
to learn about
the terrible circumstances of this case
668
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,080
and the questions that it raises,
669
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,000
some of which, perhaps,
will always remain unanswered.
670
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,320
[male reporter 2] In a black dress with
white sleeves, she was led into prison
671
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,640
knowing she'll spend
the rest of her life behind bars.
672
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:43,480
The woman who'd insisted she knew nothing
about the bodies buried beneath her house
673
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,560
joins the ranks
of Britain's biggest serial killers.
674
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,360
[door slams shut]
675
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,920
[Belinda] All the different families
were there,
676
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,640
and Stephen was there as well.
677
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:09,320
I introduced myself and gave him a hug.
678
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,480
He was very shy.
679
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,280
He just said to me,
"I'm really sorry about your sister."
680
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,040
I said, "It's not you
to be sorry for, is it?"
681
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,680
I said, "But we've got to remember
we're all in this together."
682
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,720
He said, "Thank you."
683
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:35,000
She's been found guilty,
he's dead, it's over.
684
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,560
I can get on with my life,
and we can move on.
685
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,520
But it doesn't happen like that.
686
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,320
I wish it did.
687
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,520
[Belinda] I think about
the last time I'd spoke to her.
688
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,800
She said to me,
"I'll always be here for you."
689
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,960
"No matter what or no matter when."
690
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,720
"Just like you are for me."
691
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:15,120
This is why I say to my children, every
single time I say goodnight or goodbye,
692
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,480
I always say, "I love you," because
you never know when's the last time.
693
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,640
[Dezra] I did lock it away in a box
in my head like I do with lots of things,
694
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,960
so I've never really worked through it.
695
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:40,680
This, what I'm doing now, I think
it's for Alison, mostly for Alison,
696
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:46,440
but also for me so that
I can have a bit of closure,
697
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,560
because I don't have that at the moment.
698
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,120
[gentle music playing]
699
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:04,000
[Marian] Because of what's happened,
I've had to face myself deep inside.
700
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:13,880
The whole process is about healing,
it's about becoming whole,
701
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:20,760
it's about finding a way of living
which brings something good out of it.
702
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:29,760
Everyone involved in this atrocious crime,
703
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,000
everyone is connected.
704
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,600
[music ends]
705
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,960
[Russ Williams] I did keep one card.
706
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:50,000
One card from Marian, which was sent to me
when we were saying our goodbyes.
707
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,600
[somber music playing]
708
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,240
"To dear Russell,
709
00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:00,920
thank you again for all your good humor
and sensitivity. Are you blushing yet?"
710
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:10,640
"Your kindness made a big difference
to the traumatic agony of it all."
711
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,000
"For the better, of course."
712
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:18,640
"Love from Marian."
713
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:26,280
In a way, she helped me
just as much as I hope I helped her.
714
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,600
The shadow of being in the police
stays with you for a long time,
715
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:44,040
but I started to realize
that there is good out there.
716
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,040
To see it and to feel it
and to be part of it,
717
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,560
that's what I want to do.
718
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,960
[music fades out]
719
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:02,240
[gentle music playing]