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When Chandrakant would visit us
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he would tell us about
his activities in Delhi.
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And people from the village
who worked with him
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also told us stories about
what he did in Delhi.
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Chandrakant said that
he likes to live dangerously.
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"Kill or be killed."
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"That's our game."
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He started committing murders
after moving to Delhi.
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When news started spreading
in Delhi about Chandrakant
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and the murders that
he was committing there,
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he blatantly played with people's lives.
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He showed no mercy to anyone.
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If the whole village is
afraid to talk about it,
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and if he himself says that he'll go crazy
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if he doesn't commit a murder,
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that means it must have been
much more in number.
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And much more
must have happened in his life.
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All of them must have remained undetected.
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People would say that
he has murdered around 44 people.
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But we don't really know the true count
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because we did not see him doing it.
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GHOSAI VILLAGE
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Chandrakant was a clever boy.
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He was cunning
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from the very beginning.
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{\an8}He eventually began committing murders.
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{\an8}He specifically despised people who lied.
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Those who lied to him
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ended up getting killed.
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He never spared anyone,
no matter who it was.
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Chandrakant has also killed
some of his fellow villagers.
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When I learned that Chandrakant
was committing murders in Delhi,
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I began keeping my distance from him.
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{\an8}He also murdered two people
in the neighborhood.
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{\an8}It made us realize that we needed
to keep our distance from him.
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{\an8}He killed Umesh Jha, an innocent man.
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{\an8}He also killed a man named Kapooridas.
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Kapooridas was a decent man.
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He ran a garment business.
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He was a man of honor
who worked hard to earn money.
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He had no bad habits.
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Once Champadevi, Chandrakant,
and his brother Kalanand
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went over to Kapooridas' house.
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They took me along with them.
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They had an argument
related to a piece of land.
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After having a conversation
at length with Kapooridas,
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Chandrakant lost his cool.
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He threatened Kapooridas.
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One evening, Kapooridas stepped out
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to run some errands in the market.
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Chandrakant and his brother
were already there hiding in the bushes
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waiting for Kapooridas to arrive.
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As soon as they saw
Kapooridas coming towards them,
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they had an altercation with him.
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And then, they shot him.
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Kapooridas lost his life.
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He might even kill me someday
just like he killed Muralidhar in Delhi.
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Word spread here
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that Chandrakant
murdered Muralidhar in Delhi.
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I must say that Chandrakant
was courageous and fearless.
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He was extremely gutsy.
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He worked as a laborer back then in Delhi.
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He would lift and carry weights.
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He knew a lot of people there
as he used to live there.
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He used to drive a rickshaw.
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{\an8}Back then, he would
loot televisions from showrooms.
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{\an8}He would enter the market
at night, break into the stores,
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{\an8}carry out robberies,
and drop out of sight.
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Back then,
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I was a part of these doings
along with Chandrakant Jha
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and another man named
Chandan Kumar Mishra.
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I even served time
for three and a half years in jail.
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After that, I vowed
not to do this kind of work.
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He even tried to kill me once.
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I refused to carry out robberies with him.
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I decided to continue working
where I used to work previously.
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I told him I'd rather
work hard all day than steal with him.
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He didn't quite like
what I told him, so he tried to kill me.
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But before he could do anything
to me, I jumped off the building.
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I thought I'd rather have a broken arm
or leg than end up getting killed by him.
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So…
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He was despicable and dangerous.
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There's one thing I'm very sure of.
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{\an8}I don't think he must have
gone in search of victims.
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{\an8}He must have screened
the people that he met on a regular basis
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{\an8}and figured who was
going to be his next likely victim.
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And then he must have groomed them.
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That is what it looks like.
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In that grooming process,
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the emotional relationship
with the victim was
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more clear in the sense that,
"I am somebody who has control over you."
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Maybe he figured how many days
he would have to groom them.
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He probably decided
when their last day would be
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and how everything was to be handled.
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He probably did it in such a manner
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that it looked like
he was giving care to them
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and helping them out…
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in different forms.
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But actually, his intention
was not to do all that.
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He was grooming them
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to ultimately kill them.
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Chandrakant would tie up the victim's
hands and legs before killing them.
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He had even tried to forcefully tie me up,
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but I refused and got away from there.
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That was his pattern of killing someone.
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All the things he needed were in his room.
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He always used
to kill people only after tying them up.
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SITA RAM
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Even if I have to be
so brutal in handling somebody,
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I would know what it is.
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Through my experience, I know how it is
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to physically feel brutalized.
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You are almost gasping for your own life.
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And that is what I have been
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seeing when I'm handling
my vulnerable victims,
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and where I don't have a bit of remorse.
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I may feel guilty,
but I don't have remorse.
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That is where he now understands both
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the lifeless and the life… Vulnerables.
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When they undergo
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an extreme amount of violence and torture.
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He can very well understand
what they can feel at that time.
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{\an8}My name is Bhidu Jadhav.
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{\an8}I live in Ghosai.
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{\an8}I'm 67 years old.
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{\an8}Chandrakant Jha once told me
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that he had rented a house in Mangolpuri.
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His former landlord
had asked him to move out.
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So, he rented another house
in the same locality
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and asked me to help him
with moving his things into that house.
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He took me to Mangolpuri
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on the pretext
of wanting help in moving out.
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When we got there and Chandrakant Jha
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opened the door…
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I saw Murali Shah sitting in there.
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There were two other men as well.
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Murali Shah was also a resident
of our village. We knew each other.
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But I didn't know
who the other two men were.
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Suddenly Chandrakant shouted,
"Bhidu Jadhav!"
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"Don't say a word!"
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"Do you see what I have done to them?"
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"That's what I'm going
to do to you as well."
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I was shaken.
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He took me into the room
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and clicked a picture
of his victims along with me.
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Before he could
capture my face, I turned around.
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Chandrakant Jha had
maintained a photo album.
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In that album,
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he had kept photos
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of all the people he had murdered.
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If he had caught a victim
and there were others in the room,
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then he would take
a picture of all of them together.
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And if anyone tried to intervene,
they'd also get caught up as accomplices.
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No one ever dared to speak up.
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I was famished. I hadn't eaten anything.
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I asked Chandrakant to get me some food
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as he was going to kill me anyway.
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And as soon as he stepped out of the house
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to bring us some food…
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Murali Shah also took
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the camera that Chandrakant used.
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There was a man named Ashok Shah,
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whose brother was killed by Chandrakant.
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He too had that album.
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This man right here is Murali Shah.
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This picture is ruined.
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{\an8}My name is Ashok Shah.
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{\an8}Murali Shah is my elder brother.
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Murali Shah had taken the camera
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from Chandrakant's house.
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While he was alive,
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he never thought
of printing out the pictures.
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And after he died,
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his second wife printed out the pictures.
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In all the pictures,
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the victims were either gagged
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or had wounded eyes.
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Their lips were sewed.
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Their lips were sealed shut.
It was in the photograph.
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You know, these three men in the picture
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were all murdered.
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It happened in Delhi.
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Ashok Shah had shown
the pictures in the album…
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to the entire village.
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His first interest is
to silence the person.
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Silencing either physically
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or silencing emotionally.
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And silencing them
by killing them was his last resort.
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Now there's one thing that I'm afraid of.
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I've shared all the information
I had about Chandrakant
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till the time I was his victim.
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I shared everything that I witnessed
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and everything that I experienced.
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What if Chandrakant
learns that I ratted him out?
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What if he comes after me
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once he's out of prison?
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I really hope that
he gets sentenced to death
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or simply rots in jail till he's dead.
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It's unbelievable because I've
never even slapped my child
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for doing something wrong.
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The album also had
a photograph of the people of our village.
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But no one couldn't say anything.
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They were afraid that they would
also be framed for murder…
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because they were in the picture too.
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They were just scared, that's all.
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If the whole village
is afraid to talk about it,
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and if he himself says that he'll go crazy
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if he doesn't commit a murder,
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that means it must have been
much more in number.
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And much more
must have happened in his life.
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All of them must have remained undetected.
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See, if three of them could sit like this…
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They're physically disabled
to do anything with him.
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After all, he's alone.
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He's just one single person.
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If three individuals can
be controlled that way,
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how powerful he must feel?
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You create terror in the mind of a person.
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Terror, maybe verbally or through actions,
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or maybe through communication.
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Once the terror is communicated,
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half of your work
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is already done.
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Then he can decide and choose whom he
has to finish and whom he has to let go.
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If you could put up this photo
as fresh evidence before the court,
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the police can still take back the custody
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and the court can order
further investigation.
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At least that should be done.
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Because once the investigation
process begins to proceed,
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many more unidentified
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and undisclosed murders may come up.
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Well, that will also help Chandrakant
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in terms of his own recovery.
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It will also help the police
in solving the problem.
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But it certainly is fresh evidence.
It has to come up on record.
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In a case like this, the accused is
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either given life imprisonment
or they're sentenced to death.
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We have requested the court
for a minimum sentence,
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whereas the prosecution has
requested maximum punishment
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as this case falls
in the rarest of rare category.
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Chandrakant Jha has been accused
of committing eight murders in Delhi.
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He has been convicted
for three of the murders so far.
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On Monday, Chandrakant was sentenced
to life imprisonment in one of the cases.
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And on Tuesday, he was given
a death sentence for another case.
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Chandrakant was alleged
to have killed seven people.
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But due to lack of evidence
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he has been convicted
only for three murders.
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Serial killer Chandrakant Jha has
been sentenced to life imprisonment.
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The court has declared this case
as "rare" instead of "rarest of rare."
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Chandrakant Jha will be
spending his whole life in prison.
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Chandrakant once quoted,
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"The Bhagavad Gita says that
it is not a sin to kill a bad person."
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"And hence, some
of our wrongdoings aren't really wrong."
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{\an8}When I heard his statement,
I thought that maybe
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{\an8}he said that merely
to justify his actions.
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{\an8}Because as per the prosecution's story,
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{\an8}the people who were murdered
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{\an8}weren't good people either.
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{\an8}Someone was a thief…
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{\an8}Someone was a womanizer…
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Someone used to trouble him by eating meat
and leaving unwashed utensils around him.
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So, maybe…
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he took offense at them.
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One of my inferences was that
maybe he is accepting his guilt.
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But he never admitted
his mistakes or accepted his guilt openly.
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It's not morally correct to be so rigid.
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But Chandrakant had extreme opinions
and he was a stubborn man.
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When we talk of genetics,
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when we say that when he was born,
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he genetically inherited,
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from his parents,
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some amount of violent environment,
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violence, and the environment he had seen.
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And because of that,
he must have had some kind
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of a gene or an allele
in his body which has given rise
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to him getting attracted to violence.
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He must have had the seed of it there,
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but it wouldn't necessarily
grow into a plant…
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unless it is nurtured,
nourished, and taken care of.
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And this nurturing, nourishing,
and taking care of has happened
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in the process of cultural
and social environment conditioning
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that has happened with him.
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It may be in the prison,
maybe in the custody,
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maybe in his own
social environment where he lived
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with the kind of people around him.
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When we talk about Chandrakant Jha…
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{\an8}I must say that the man already knows
a lot about how investigations are done.
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And he has a sharp memory.
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All of us have been surprised
at the amount of knowledge he possesses.
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He knew that his life was at stake
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as he was charged
with three serious murder cases
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and he would certainly
be sentenced to death
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if he gets convicted in court.
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He used to study his own case.
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He even asked me to arrange
for some law books for him
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that were written in Hindi
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so that he could study
and defend his own case.
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He used to try and figure
out the entire case but…
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there's always a difference
between a layman and a professional.
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Some of the questionnaires
he prepared would weaken his case.
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Convincing him to refrain
from doing something was very difficult.
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He was kept in prison during his trials.
There were no complaints about him.
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I had a feeling that
he was doing that intentionally
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so that he could use his good behavior
at the time of disposal of the case.
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He wanted to show he had a clean record
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and that he didn't even
pick a fight with anybody.
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He wanted to practice good behavior.
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He had a sharp intellect and it seemed
like he had everything figured out.
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He was planning everything
he had to prove in court,
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and all the possible support
he could get from people.
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He kept up good behavior in prison
and also changed his handwriting. So…
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He was an intellectual man.
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His whole preoccupation
in the jail was just this.
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He was going round and round in circles.
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So, this meaningful engagement…
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According to him, this is
a meaningful engagement
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because the day he wins,
he will win over the system as well.
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And his identity will be established.
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He bought some groceries for me.
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He bought me a stove and even water.
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He asked me to cook food
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while he was gone.
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I was done cooking food
and he still hadn't returned home.
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My name is Bharati.
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Anil Mandal was my husband.
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We moved to Delhi with our kids
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and started selling garlic
and other vegetables.
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My husband sometimes worked in the market,
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and sometimes he went
to Punjab for agricultural work.
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When I was pregnant with my son,
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Anil sent me over
to my parents' house for a few days.
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When I came back, I found out that
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someone had framed him
for some criminal activity.
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{\an8}When I came back home,
he was locked up in prison.
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{\an8}Someone else had to bail him out.
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{\an8}He returned home in the evening
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{\an8}and told me that he had
to attend a court hearing.
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He said, "Cook food for us, Bharati."
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"I'm going to the court,
but I'll be back soon."
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But he never returned home.
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I thought he must have gone somewhere
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in search of work or to make some money.
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Or maybe he was
put behind bars once again.
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I thought he would at least
get enough food in prison,
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and he'd come back soon.
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I thought if my father was in prison,
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he would be alive.
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Maybe the police weren't letting him go.
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I had to find some work so that
I could bail him out with the money.
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That's all that came to my mind.
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So, I started working in the market.
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I started rag picking.
I would sell bottles.
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Sometimes, bottles and plastic bags.
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Or scraps of vegetables.
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The money that I earned
covered up the house rent
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as well as the bribe that
cops took from us for visiting.
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I used to earn only around five
to ten rupees after working all day.
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I could never earn more than that
no matter how hard I tried.
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My mother often visited
the prison to search for my father.
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One day, I asked her to take me
along with her to the prison.
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{\an8}So, she used to take me with her.
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{\an8}Every time we went there,
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{\an8}the cops would take money from us
and ask us to wait outside for some time.
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{\an8}The cop then came out after some time
and said that he couldn't let us see Dad,
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{\an8}and told us to visit some other day.
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We went to Rohini in search of Anil.
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We also stopped by at Tis Hazari Court.
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We tried to look for him
in every possible place.
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Once every month we would have to spend.
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They took at least two thousand or so
every time we went there in search of Dad.
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Every time we went to a police station,
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they sent us to another one.
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It was a never-ending loop.
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We were just being played.
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It’s only been three years
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since the police informed us
that Anil was dead.
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They told us that his dead body was found.
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We don't know
when this incident took place.
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We don't know the time he was murdered
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or even the date is unknown.
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My mother told me that
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Chandrakant Jha killed my father
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and left his body
right outside Tis Hazari court.
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When the police discovered the body,
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they should have at least
let us identify the body once.
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If the police had already
made the death certificate,
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that means they had identified the body.
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It couldn't be made otherwise.
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Now we just believe in the certificate
and what the police have told us
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-about Anil being murdered.
-Yes.
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Couldn't they inform us about it earlier?
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What was the big deal in letting us know?
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Why did they unnecessarily
make us run from pillar to post?
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We are humans too.
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-We have stopped thinking about all this.
-Yes.
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00:30:38,313 --> 00:30:40,730
-We have left it in the past.
-We don't think about it anymore.
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We have left it behind.
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When we got a call from you guys
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we agreed because we wanted
to hear what you had to say.
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We wanted to hear
what you knew about all this.
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00:30:54,271 --> 00:30:57,355
We have left all this behind.
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00:31:05,271 --> 00:31:07,230
Delhi is a place
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00:31:07,313 --> 00:31:09,730
where a lot of migrants
come to settle down.
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00:31:09,813 --> 00:31:11,688
These migrants come to Delhi
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to earn a living, and not to die.
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00:31:15,105 --> 00:31:18,230
They do not have enough money
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00:31:18,896 --> 00:31:20,813
or a family to care for them.
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00:31:20,896 --> 00:31:23,980
They didn't have
anyone influential to help them out.
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00:31:24,646 --> 00:31:30,313
So, they didn't get
the support that they actually needed.
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00:31:30,396 --> 00:31:33,188
And that was really unfair.
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Just because they were migrants,
they went unnoticed.
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It may not be the same in this case,
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00:31:39,855 --> 00:31:42,813
but there are many cases
where such things go unnoticed.
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I am not a mental health expert,
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but I can tell you using common sense
as a social scientist that
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if someone is working
continuously for 12 to 14 hours
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and has grown up
in the open air of a village…
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Here,
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most of the migrants are impoverished
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and live in cramped conditions.
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Some don't even have
a roof over their heads.
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They have to live on the streets.
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Living in such conditions
must have impacted their mental health.
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Most of the Bihari migrants are
working in the lowest occupation.
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Generally, the word "Bihari"
is used as a bad term.
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Apathy. I'll call it apathy.
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When a certain accused
belongs to a particular
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segment of society,
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00:32:53,438 --> 00:32:55,438
we often tend to shut our eyes.
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00:32:55,521 --> 00:32:59,105
{\an8}We don't look at those cases
very minutely or very closely.
431
00:32:59,188 --> 00:33:01,105
{\an8}We don't even bother about the conviction.
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00:33:01,188 --> 00:33:03,355
{\an8}We just take it for granted
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00:33:03,438 --> 00:33:05,146
{\an8}and this person is going to get convicted.
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00:33:05,230 --> 00:33:06,771
{\an8}He perhaps could have done it.
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00:33:06,855 --> 00:33:10,355
{\an8}And even when there is
weak evidence, people get convicted.
436
00:33:10,438 --> 00:33:13,980
The media never reports
about cases like these.
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00:33:14,063 --> 00:33:15,771
Chandrakant's case was lost.
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00:33:15,855 --> 00:33:19,105
Similarly, several hundred cases
get lost every year.
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00:33:19,646 --> 00:33:21,271
And the high-profile cases are
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what the media and journalists focus on.
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00:33:24,438 --> 00:33:26,521
But in cases like this
when somebody's life,
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liberty, or perhaps
somebody's family is involved,
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00:33:29,188 --> 00:33:30,896
because of their background,
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00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:32,688
we often tend to lose focus.
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For people like him,
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if you can go deep enough
to try to understand him and help him out,
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00:33:48,063 --> 00:33:49,730
they're the people who turn overnight.
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00:33:50,438 --> 00:33:52,771
That is possible by introducing
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pro-social thinking,
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pro-social feeling,
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00:33:57,438 --> 00:33:59,230
pro-social behavior,
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and a pro-social value
which can give can an identity to him.
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Otherwise, he will not change.
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That is more important.
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00:34:05,896 --> 00:34:07,480
But that is where I said
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00:34:07,563 --> 00:34:10,188
for me to be hopeful
for people like this is…
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00:34:10,771 --> 00:34:12,980
once again, is the way he defends himself.
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It is his good behavior
in the social control environment.
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That means he is capable of that.
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To become what he is permanently.
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00:34:29,105 --> 00:34:31,355
So, if courts are so considerate to send
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this kind of people
to rehabilitation programs,
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00:34:34,355 --> 00:34:36,396
we can try out and come out with research
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00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,563
and say whether it helps
or it doesn't help.
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If you give me a chance,
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00:34:40,896 --> 00:34:42,813
I could prove if it works.
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00:34:48,938 --> 00:34:52,021
He was not a man
who would have really mattered a lot
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00:34:52,105 --> 00:34:55,188
either to society or even to the media.
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00:34:55,771 --> 00:34:57,563
People had forgotten about this case.
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00:34:57,646 --> 00:35:00,563
Society perhaps does not
even know that Chandrakant
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00:35:00,646 --> 00:35:02,730
is currently out on parole.
472
00:35:05,438 --> 00:35:08,896
He's meeting people, he's going
to the market, he's buying vegetables.
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00:35:08,980 --> 00:35:11,521
He's doing everything that
every common man does.
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00:35:11,605 --> 00:35:14,938
It's the same man who was supposed
to be dangerous to the entire society.
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00:35:15,021 --> 00:35:16,605
He has been out on parole,
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00:35:16,688 --> 00:35:18,563
but he still remains an invisible man.
477
00:35:27,646 --> 00:35:30,146
All that was going on in my mind was that
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Chandrakant made a huge mistake
by killing my father.
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00:35:34,146 --> 00:35:36,938
Had I ascertained the situation earlier,
I would have killed him
480
00:35:37,521 --> 00:35:38,563
without any hesitation.
481
00:35:39,730 --> 00:35:40,688
I could have done it.
482
00:35:42,271 --> 00:35:45,146
How can I spare someone
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00:35:45,646 --> 00:35:48,188
who has ruined
my entire life and my future?
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00:35:49,271 --> 00:35:50,938
I wouldn't mind bearing the consequences.
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00:35:55,105 --> 00:35:58,730
SITA RAM
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For everything, you know,
what is his mental preoccupation?
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00:36:05,355 --> 00:36:07,771
At the present moment, his isolation,
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00:36:08,271 --> 00:36:10,230
should be the criteria to decide
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00:36:10,313 --> 00:36:13,730
whether he should be allowed
to go or he should not be allowed to go.
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00:36:13,813 --> 00:36:17,021
If you ask legally, then yes,
it is his right and he should be allowed.
491
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,396
{\an8}Today, if the court decides
to free him and let him out…
492
00:36:27,771 --> 00:36:30,355
What is the aim of his life?
What is the goal of his life?
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00:36:30,438 --> 00:36:33,938
Is it to really take care of his family,
or is it to go out and commit more crimes?
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00:36:41,855 --> 00:36:44,021
I have a feeling that it is the latter.