[intriguing music plays]
[Mike] Now that we're here…
Um…
I've been made redundant.
[inhales]
[Mike] And, um, it's been two months.
It's embarrassing to say, but I'll dress up like I'm going to work.
We leave the house around the same time,
and then I'll literally circle round,
and as long as she's gone to work, I'll just circle back home.
[melancholy music plays]
I can't even look at you right now. I can't.
[sniffles]
So have you been trying to get other jobs? What have you been doing?
I've just been living off what I've been basically given from work.
So when you got made redundant,
you didn't feel as if you could share that with Yasmin?
I don't talk about feelings, I don't talk about myself. I don't--
But what are the feelings about this? What are the feelings?
This makes me feel rubbish.
I feel like a worthless man, is how I feel.
-Why? -I don't know. It makes you feel weak.
Like who really talks about themselves being less than?
Yasmin, how are you feeling?
I don't know. I don't know. I just need to… decompress.
You thought you had a really open relationship with no secrets.
That's not been the reality. So that's challenging.
-What's come up in this session today. -[Mike] Mm-hmm.
So I'm gonna give you a bit of homework.
What I want you to do is, um, write down three things
that are hard to say to each other.
And then we will come back together again and think about those things together.
-[Mike] Mm-hmm. Thank you. -[Yasmin] Okay.
["Left Here" by DopeNorTeria & Wavy Lachii plays]
Sometimes in couples therapy, people hear shocking revelations.
For Mike and Yasmin, this isn't just about the money.
It's the lie.
♪ Can’t believe you left here ♪
♪ Left here, oh ♪
[Karen] Revelations have to be worked through, talked about.
And that brings the couple to a place where they can think about
how do we want to move forward.
I literally can't believe that you waited until we were in there to say that.
This is exactly what I was trying to avoid.
I don't know who you are,
and I don't know if I can trust you now moving forward.
-[Mike] Can I open the door? -[Yasmin] No, it's fine.
["Left Here" ends]
[dramatic sting]
["Run It Up" by Ichiro Suezawa, Sasha Yearwood, Skip Armstrong plays]
♪ Run it up, run it up ♪
♪ Run it up, keep running ♪
♪ We gon' keep on running up Keep running ♪
♪ We gon' keep on running up, run it up ♪
-[Maria] Hi! -[woman] Hi!
[Maria] I haven't seen you in ages.
-How you doing? Nice to see you. -[Oluwatosin] You all right?
[Viktor] Looking very good. Have a seat, man. Have a seat.
[Oluwatosin] How was the therapy session?
It was a lot.
It's like I often feel like I have to tell Viktor one thing,
and tell my family another.
[Karen] Another thing. Say more about that?
You see how you think that I'm still paying off my car?
I actually finished, like, years ago.
I'm just sending them money.
Really? That's what we do? And you just didn't tell me?
It's about the lie. You keeping something from me for so long.
You don't like the fact that I'm sending my parents money just to send them money.
[Viktor] I get it as a cultural thing.
But your, like, monthly subscription to be sending them 10% of what she makes.
-Monthly subscription. Wow. -[Viktor] Well, that's what it's giving.
-My sister. My two sisters. -I do it as well.
Obviously Tosin--
Respectfully, I do not care what your siblings do.
I'm not trying to create a family or build an empire with them.
[Oluwatosin] But that's the thing.
You've been with Maria for seven years and still not committed to her.
I don't know, Maria. You have to think about what you want.
It feels like you're just going on a joyride at the moment.
Maybe that's why Mum is upset because…
Mum is like, "Why are you not married? There's no commitment from his side."
[voice breaking] Like, yes, I love him, but at the same time, I will leave.
Because these are things that I want.
But having to think about it makes me so sad.
I don't want you to look back and be like, "Oh my gosh, I wasted seven years
when I could have met someone else who wants the same things as me."
Yeah.
♪ Show me something ♪
[birds chirping]
♪ Show me something… ♪
[Debbie] This is fancy.
[chuckles]
♪ Show me something ♪
[Debbie] Sometimes, money is not everything.
Ladies that think that this is the dream life, tread carefully.
♪ I look good on you ♪
♪ I got an attitude for you… ♪
[Debbie] I had a list when I was younger of the kind of man I want,
and when I met Kelvin, he just ticked all the boxes.
♪ This is my chick, new tricks to show ♪
[Kelvin] Me and Debbie met about ten years ago.
I fell in love with how patient she was with me.
She's supportive, loving, caring. She's my safe space.
[Debbie] Kelvin is my best friend.
Before the glitz and the glams,
me and Kelvin just used to wear our little tracksuit,
chilling in his mum's restaurant, eating, laughing.
We can literally just, like, sit down and laugh.
I'm funny, but she's more funny than me.
[chuckles] She's hilarious.
[upbeat pop music plays]
[woman] You told me we needed to speak.
-So, what's going on? -Girl, so much.
You know Kelvin, I just don't know where me and him stand at the moment.
I feel like we're growing apart and we're not aligning.
♪ Leave me by the bar I don't really like to drink but… ♪
You know that he's super busy with the business,
and I'm so proud of him, and he has so much going on,
but it's affecting our relationship.
Acts of service, I'll give him a 7 out of 10.
Quality time, I'd give him 2.5 out of 10.
[Kevin] Business is very important to me. I'm a workaholic.
As of now, I've definitely bit off more than I can chew.
But, um, I love what I do. I'm definitely a… I'd say a provider.
He would rather post a chicken from his restaurant
than to post me and him.
[music continues]
Go through the therapy and work on it, but I don't think you should push it.
'Cause if you push him too far, you don't know what's gonna happen.
[Debbie] It was my idea to do couples therapy.
If you asked Kelvin, "How do you think you and Debbie's relationship is?"
He would say, "Amazing."
I'm pretty content in our relationship.
I feel like we're growing together and we're going in the same direction.
I don't think we need therapy, but Debbie thinks it could help
in regards to how she's feeling.
If I'm being honest,
I… I'm lost.
[Debbie] He does love me, I know that,
but I don't wanna use the breakup word, but maybe if things don't change,
we might have to go our separate ways.
[music ends]
[footsteps treading]
[Karen] Debbie and Kelvin.
-How are you? -[Karen] I'm good, thanks.
Welcome to your first session.
Make yourselves comfortable.
Okay, so tell me a bit about you two. How long have you been together?
About ten years now.
-Ten years? -[Kelvin] Known each other for ten.
Been together for seven.
-What's your jobs? What are your… -I'm an executive assistant.
Right. And for you, Kelvin?
Um, private chef, nutritionist, and just opened up a restaurant.
Oh, great, restaurateur.
-Right. You live together? -[Debbie] No.
I don't believe in living with my partner until I'm married.
Okay, I see. Do you agree with that, Kelvin?
Yeah, to a certain extent.
Especially now, when I'm not really home much.
So when do you see each other, just you two?
We don't do much together anymore because he's always working.
I'm hoping it's a temporary thing.
In regards to building a business, it's very…
While you get it up and running. Are you on board with that?
Not really. I feel like that's, like, Kelvin's excuse.
I feel like he doesn't understand that him not spending quality time,
not being reliable or consistent
is affecting our relationship.
I feel like our relationship is falling apart.
I feel like you're not understanding that you're slacking.
And that's a big problem for me.
-Is that why you're here? -Yes.
-Kelvin? -I wouldn't say necessarily falling apart.
I'd say there's maintenance, like a car.
Debbie?
How do you feel like it's not falling apart
when you put the business before our relationship?
In… In some instances, I have.
So, what does this business mean for you?
Uh, it's deep-rooted. Debbie knows that. She's been there.
That's where we met.
We met in the same building where my restaurant is now.
How?
It used to be my mum's. Mum had it for 12 years.
-[Karen] Okay. -She lost it during COVID.
So when she lost it, um, I acquired it back.
-Did you work in there as a child? -I did.
So it's a long time, long association with the building.
Yeah.
Growing up, people had their idols and stuff,
but me, it was just my mum. She was just a boss woman.
And on her own, which I admired a lot.
So when the building went up to let,
I would drive past it every time, sort of dreaming.
I've always told friends, "I'm gonna take it over,"
not knowing I was actually going to, and it's now mine.
We're back, baby.
[Kelvin's mum laughs]
It's like a childhood dream that's turned into reality.
[Kelvin's mum] Hello. Oh.
So I would put the business before a lot of things.
Debbie knows why I'm doing this.
I'm supportive.
-Yes. -'Cause that's the only way I can see him.
-Is if I go to the shop. -[Karen] Yes.
Because we can make plans, and he will not make the plans.
Like, for example, my birthday, he canceled last minute.
What happened?
Um, so one of my clients who I look after, he's a very well-known pop star.
-Debbie knows how big this client is. -Do you, Debbie?
I don't care.
-Did you hear that? -I hear it.
He can let me down,
but he won't let no one else down when it comes to business.
He thinks that he can cover it up with, like, a gift to say sorry.
'Cause he thinks that will cover up what he's done.
To the point where…
I don't know if you've realized that I don't really wear what you buy me.
Mm.
Like, I would have loved to wear, like,
my Van Cleef bracelet, and all this stuff, but I don't wanna wear it.
'Cause I feel like you feel like you've done something, like,
"Yeah, like, she accepted my apology 'cause I bought her that."
So I don't wear the stuff he gets me.
-Is that a silent protest? -I think so.
-Did you realize? -This is the first to my ears.
I mean, I noticed, but I just thought maybe she was saving it for a nice day.
I'm shocked at Debbie's responses, if I'm being honest.
Like, if you don't gift, you're a bad boyfriend.
Now, if you over-gift, you're a bad boyfriend.
That doesn't really make sense to me.
-Do you buy out of guilt? -I wouldn't say guilt. It's more…
I'm thinking about you. My intention is, I'm thinking about you.
[Debbie] No.
If you was thinking about me, you wouldn't
disappoint me so much.
You only go and buy me a gift when you mess up.
-I buy gifts, regardless. Okay. -But I don't want them.
Did you hear, "Not interested in the gifts"?
She wants you to be present.
I know it'll get better.
But what if… What if she's not here when you're ready?
Kelvin does not think he'll ever lose me.
-You don't think I'd go anywhere. -Why doesn't he think you'll walk away?
-Because he just thinks-- -She's given me no reason to think that.
He thinks he has control over our relationship.
Talk to me about that. What sort of control?
Like, he always knows where I am.
What'd you mean? How?
I don't… Find My iPhone.
-[Debbie] Location. -[Kelvin] Location.
-Calling me quite constantly. -How does that feel?
I feel like as time has gone on and he's been falling short in our relationship,
I feel like the control's been, um, getting a bit much for me.
What… What… Can you talk to me about this?
-I wouldn't pin it as controlling. -[Karen] No?
[Kelvin] I would pin it more like, I care, you know?
I wanna know where you are. I wanna know you're safe.
I can't control when we'll be done in a restaurant or done in a bar.
So you calling me, telling me, oh, like, you're gonna send me the car now--
Send you… Send you a car? You'll call her and tell her to go home?
Yeah. I'm sending you a car. It's past midnight.
Yeah, I send it because a woman wants a leader, you know?
And I allow my woman to, you know, be a woman.
Rest in her feminine energy, as they say.
Some people could say it's controlling, you know?
But
would you rather I didn't care?
[laughs] That's the flip side.
I would like to think you're coming from a caring place.
However, I just feel like because you're falling short,
you're trying to keep me in, like, a bubble.
I feel like Kelvin's figuring out how to be a man,
and I'm, like, a few steps ahead of him.
Yeah, I think he feels a bit insecure about it.
-This is how you feel, but-- -How do you know how I'm feeling?
We talk.
What do we talk about?
-As of recently, mostly about me. -How do you think that feels for Debbie?
She's never said anything up until…
This is the most I've heard about this situation.
I don't know. I feel like he's in his own world.
Living the Kelvin world. I don't know.
I don't know if Kelvin
is being a bit delusional about it.
Talk about that.
I don't know. If Kelvin didn't want this anymore,
I don't know if he would feel brave enough to say that.
This relationship, do you know how much you want it?
Yeah, of course.
This is my person, you know?
It's what I think about, you know?
When you sort of, like, daydream and you think about your future.
[Karen] Say more.
Mm. I came from a single-parent household, you know, how I grew up.
-I don't wanna repeat that. -Yes, tell me more.
My mum done an amazing job, but the part that I missed out on,
she was out working so much.
And it played…
As much as it was good,
I missed out on that sort of motherly love, you know?
You missed out on her presence.
-[Kelvin] Yeah. -[Karen] But can you see what's going on?
You're doing the same.
You're repeating that with Debbie.
-Mm. -[Karen] You're not around for her.
There's presents, there's gifts, there's the things,
but you're not present.
Only temporary.
-Food for thought. -[Kelvin] Yeah.
And you're okay with losing me?
Are you telling me to pick the business or you?
'Cause that's very… That… You couldn't even…
-No, obviously I can't say-- -It feels like that, I think, for you.
-[Debbie] Mm-hmm. -It feels like that.
What about you, Debbie?
When we think about this, how much do you want this?
[clicks tongue]
I feel like, for another young woman,
this would be her dream, yeah?
-Mm. -However, if I'm not happy, what we doing?
Okay.
-Are you okay with this? Yes. -It's fine. We're here to understand.
Mm-hmm.
[Karen] Maybe we can think about it in the next session,
how compromises could be made.
That's it for today, guys.
-Session's done. All right? -Thank you.
Thank you. Bye-bye.
♪ I just need a little bit A little bit of time and space ♪
Both parts of a couple have to make time to be present.
If they don't carve out that time, they start to co-exist.
The key to surviving and thriving is communication.
It's agreement.
It's working together so that both get their needs met.
I'm in shock, I'm not gonna lie to you. That really did take me… It took me off.
-Did it take you like-- -It took me back.
-Because-- -No, like into reality?
The reality is, I know it's temporary.
And I thought you knew it was temporary as well.
The only thing I could do to change that
is literally just stop working, and that's not an option.
-I didn't tell you to stop working. -But that's how it feels.
-I'm busy. -No. You're taking it that way.
-No. -I work as well.
But I have balance. You don't have balance.
-I don't have balance. I accept it. -That's why we're here.
There is no balance with the ship that I'm steering, 100% not.
So maybe you're not… You don't need a girlfriend then.
I don't know what to say to that.
I knew how she felt to a certain extent, but not what just happened.
So I'm definitely gonna walk into the next session with a bit more
armor.
["Run It Up" by Ichiro Suezawa, Sasha Yearwood, Skip Armstrong plays]
["Run It Up" ends]
[exhales] Can we talk?
-What do you wanna talk about? -Therapy session and how you're feeling.
How do you think I'm feeling?
Hurt.
I'm fuming.
I'm not having my financial situation be affected by your bad choices
and the decisions that have happened to you.
I'm the one that's gonna have to pick up the slack,
so I need to know the full picture.
I thought we were going there to fix problems, and now we've got more.
Do you know how much that hurts? To feel like you know someone,
to feel like you're walking into a room, and you've got each other's backs?
And for that person to then turn around and show you another side to them?
Everything is up in the air for me right now.
[Mike] I'm trying to tell you I'm sorry.
I'm not gonna try and defend anything. I'm not gonna try and make an excuse.
Like, I'm here to try and solve things 'cause I love you, and I love my family.
And I want to grow this family. I want to solve any issues.
I'm willing to do what it takes.
["Love Me Right" by Nina Hudson plays]
♪ Love me right Lo-love me right ♪
♪ Talking on the phone in the late night ♪
♪ Keep the conversation going Through the sunrise ♪
[guests] ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
Thank you guys for coming.
We appreciate everyone who's helped us over this past year.
It hasn't been easy,
but you guys have definitely made it easier for us, so thank you.
[guests cheering]
♪ Never knew you could mean this much ♪
♪ 'Cause you give me a rush ♪
♪ Come on, let's build this trust ♪
-[man 1] Ay, yo. -[man 2] Rah, man, this party's lit.
-[man 2] How's everything? -Bro, me and Daisy started therapy.
How's that been for you?
I'll be real, the last session was… It went off, bro.
I feel like I'm just really struggling to forgive him
for his lack of support when I first gave birth.
I didn't have a baby. I didn't go through anything physically--
But you did have a baby.
[Jay] Okay, yeah. When I say--
This baby, you did agree to have it together?
It just felt quite convenient.
What is convenient about raising a child with a man you don't like?
[Jay] She's barely been chatting to me.
-[Dammy] Really? -Yeah, man. It's not a beef ting, but--
You know when you expose that much information to, like, a third party?
-[Dammy] Yeah. -She sort of felt a way.
-[Dammy] Have you spoken to her today? -Nah, you know.
-Yeah? Like that? -Yeah.
Bruv, I'm not gonna lie,
I think you should speak to her. Have a word with her.
See if you can, you know what I'm saying? Solve it.
-These awkward vibes ain't it. -Know what I'm saying?
Especially 'cause it's Alora's first birthday. Family's here, everyone's here.
Everyone's here, good vibes. You feel me? It's not… It's not worth the tension.
Yeah, but she's doing it.
-Okay, I'm not even joking. -[Jay] Yeah, yeah.
-Are you talking about me? -[Jay] No, no.
-[Dammy laughing] -Please, Dams, don't rubbish me, you know.
-[Dammy] Never. -He's not, I swear.
["Love Me Right" continues]
I feel like we've just gotta be more open. We just have to really speak our truths,
'cause that's the only way this can really work, if I'm being honest.
[Daisy] Yeah.
I don't really like to apologize, but I will apologize.
'Cause I feel like if there's one thing I took from that session,
I'm probably not the greatest listener.
-I feel like that's why I was shocked. -Probably? Probably?
-Probably. Um, I feel like-- -[laughs] I think definitely were, yeah.
That's why I was a bit shocked hearing everything you had to say.
And that's probably 'cause I never really let you say how you truly feel.
-I'm sorry. -Who's this? Is this Daisy?
But not too much. I'm just a little bit sorry.
-Just a tiny bit sorry. -Just a tiny bit.
-Let's enjoy Alora's birthday. -[Jay] Yeah.
We're here for her, the daughter that I "forced" you to have.
-Apparently. -No one said you for--
-But let's enjoy her birthday. -Whatever. You're stretching it.
-Let's see how the next session goes. -Yeah.
Hopefully you don't break up with me.
[Daisy] Previously, our relationship was quite unstable.
If he did something even slightly that I didn't like, I'm out.
-I still got smoke for you though. -Listen, don't worry.
I'm apologizing for the next session. Don't worry.
-I've been writing shit down. -Me too. I'm also snitching. Please.
We both have issues we wanna discuss
and things we wanna sort of hash out and get to the bottom of.
♪ She keeps telling me to come through ♪
♪ Can't keep giving I don't come through… ♪
I'm not entirely over things that have happened in our past
whilst we were broken up.
I think trust is a big issue, especially on her side.
[Daisy] I don't think I know all of his explorations.
I feel like I would be naive to believe that I know absolutely everything.
[Jay] Daisy has a lot of issues with me
when it comes to having relationships with any other female that's not her.
Like, at this point, I don't even know if I'm allowed to talk to my mum. [laughs]
♪ Liking what I see ♪
♪ Come put it on me, yeah… ♪
[Daisy] I know that he went on a date with someone else
during the periods that we broke up.
And I'd like to believe that's the extent.
If I find out otherwise, it's on.
[music ends]
[Karen] Hello, both.
-Hello, Karen. -Hey.
-[Karen] Hey. Sit down. -You okay?
Welcome back.
-[Jay sighs] Thank you. -[Daisy] Thank you.
So, um, since we met last, what's been happening?
We had our daughter's party.
-That was good. -[Jay] Yeah, we had a good time.
It felt good to enjoy ourselves with family and friends and be drunk.
[all laughing]
-Everyone to be drunk. -The alcohol was needed to get us there.
As you can hear from my voice, I'm still recovering.
-But yeah, a time was had. -Yeah.
[Karen] Great. Okay.
So, what are you gonna bring to this session today?
[clicks tongue] Um, I'm gonna bring problems.
[laughs] No, I'm joking.
Um, so today, I wanna talk about some things that I feel like
we haven't been completely honest with each other about.
How'd you feel about that?
Um, I mean, I definitely get what she means,
but I feel like there's things that she's also hiding as well.
So neither of you trust the other? Why?
So, for me, when we first started talking, you would lie over the stupidest things.
Like, he bought me a necklace from Warren James.
He went on holiday,
and he told me that he bought it on his way back from the airport.
I went and Googled all the shops that were available in that airport.
-There was no Warren James. -Fucking crazy.
It was little white lies like that that just made me start not trusting him.
Do you trust anyway, Daisy, or are you always hypervigilant?
I think, to be honest, I'm always hypervigilant.
-Yeah, you're always checking? -Always checking. My laptop, my phone…
-As I should. And as I think-- -What do you mean, as you should?
I do go through his phone, and I'm absolutely proud of that.
Especially as a woman, you need to go through your man's phone.
Like, not going through your man's phone is like walking with a blindfold.
I'm not the type of person that
trusts people right away. You have to build my trust.
I feel like, ultimately, if somebody's given the right circumstances,
they will betray you, and they will let you down.
And things like that proves why you shouldn't trust people.
Like, if you can lie about things as silly as that,
then you must lie about the bigger things too.
And there have been times where he has lied about the bigger things.
Talk to me about that.
For example, there was a time we'd broken up,
and he was going on a night out with his "friends."
That's what he told me.
So, at some point, I needed to have a quick chat with him.
I called him, he didn't answer.
I knew something was fishy.
I knew he was with a girl.
You're broken up at this point?
We're broken up, but we're still trying to figure things out.
-Right? -You know about the baby?
-Yeah. -[Daisy] He knows about the baby.
At this point,
the calling every ten minutes turned into every 30 seconds.
You're calling--
Yes. I was calling his phone every 30 seconds.
I was not gonna stop until he answered the phone.
Eventually, he texts me. He texts me, doesn't call me back.
He says, "Oh, I can't answer the phone."
"I'm outside with my friends,
and I just feel so sad about our breakup."
"I'm even in tears." What a fucking dumb lie.
Like, we're broken up. If you're out with a girl, just say it.
But you lying is just gonna make it worse.
Yes.
Eventually, he posted a Snap. The Snap had a girl's voice in it.
So I've sent it to him, and I've said,
"What the hell is this? You told me that you weren't with a girl,
and there is clear evidence that you were with the girl."
And guess what he does, Karen?
-He proceeds to maintain the lie. -[chuckles]
I was never gonna admit it, I'll be honest.
Like, I was doubling down on that lie. I invested Bitcoin into that lie. [laughs]
The amount of P's that was in that lie could… [laughs]
I couldn't cash it out. I had to… I had to hold.
The photo evidence is right there.
Does he think I'm Boo Boo the Fool?
It's literally right there, and you're still maintaining the lie.
Why didn't you just say?
[Jay sighs]
'Cause I just knew it would be too much headache.
I understand I did play my part in this situation.
[Karen] Yes.
But the thing is,
she says she expects people to, like,
build the trust that she should have in them.
But how comes you don't try and build trust for people to trust you?
[Karen] Talk to me about that.
So at this point of our relationship, we were still working on things.
We made a decision that we do wanna be together and we're working on it.
I go through Daisy's phone, and then I see this certain guy's name.
And I see the chat, and I scroll all the way to the top.
And he's a music producer.
And Daisy's chatting with this guy.
They are asking each other questions like they're getting to know each other.
"Oh, how old are you? Where are you from?"
-"What do you do?" All the g… -[laughs]
Like, stop laughing.
-It's not funny. I know she's nervous. -[laughing] Sorry.
-Yeah. -I'm not nervous at all.
-Yes, you are. Stop acting. -I'm fine.
-Take a breath. -You're not even right. Honestly, chill.
So she told him when her birthday was,
and he was like, "Oh, maybe we can do a private studio session for you."
And I was thinking… [laughs]
I'm thinking you'd best be joking. What do you mean?
I'm expecting to see some response just fully deading it at that point.
And she's like, "I'll let you know."
[Daisy sighs] Um…
Okay, let me start off with the realness. The relationship wasn't great.
And there were times where I kind of was just like,
"Fuck you. Let me see what's out there."
-You're in my house. Like, this message-- -Did she let him know?
-Well, you're in my house. Hold on. -I didn't.
You're in my house, and you're messaging next man.
Karen, what's your opinion?
From this chair, you're both saying exactly the same thing.
You have trust issues.
Yeah.
How have you drawn a line under this cycle?
Okay, so we're gonna break that cycle now.
'Cause it's really quite important that you get on the same page here
and draw a line under the past.
We're gonna do an exercise.
-Okay. -All right? Turn to face each other.
-Have a look at each other. -Oh.
You're gonna take it in turns. Each partner completes this sentence,
"One thing I'm afraid to tell you, but I need to is…"
And you say, "Thank you for telling me."
-[laughing] -"That matters to me."
I have to say, "Thank you for telling me. That matters to me"?
"That matters to me."
Oh, Karen, man, you're asking for a lot.
[both laugh]
Yeah, it's a stretch, but let's have a go.
-Yeah. -[Karen] Let's try it. Come on.
Okay, Daisy, here we go.
One thing I'm afraid to tell you…
One thing I'm afraid to tell you, but I'm gonna tell you today,
that time you got the dreadlocks… [laughs]
I'll be honest… [laughs]
I didn't really like it.
-[laughs] So-- -And you let me… you let me--
-Uh-uh-uh. What's the response? -I'm not telling her that shit. What?
Go on.
Thank you for telling me that. That matters.
Yeah.
Okay, Jay.
One thing I'm afraid to tell you,
but I need to is…
[sighs] I'm not gonna lie,
some of my friends think you're crazy.
Really?
Yeah. [laughs nervously]
My friends like you, don't get me wrong.
They like you. They think you're a cool person.
They're kind of scared of you. [laughs]
And the response?
Thank you for telling me.
-That matters to me. -[Jay] That matters.
-[Jay laughs] -That matters to me.
[sighs loudly]
That was a trial run.
-Trial run? -[Karen] Yeah.
Okay.
Karen needs to stop speaking right now
because she's put me in a tizz. [laughs]
So shall we go again?
One thing you're afraid to tell Daisy?
Um, yeah. One thing I'm afraid to tell you,
but I need to is…
I'll be honest.
The date I lied about,
I said
nothing happened, but…
we did kiss.
Okay.
Daisy?
[clears throat]
Is she not meant to say the thing?
Give her a moment.
Are you being serious?
Like, are you being dead arse?
I'm genuinely, like, trying to process what you've just told me.
I can't lie, like, it's not a small deal.
For me, that's just bottom barrel, to be honest.
Like, you saw all my texts. You saw all my calls.
You knew I was pregnant.
[exhales]
I can't lie, that's scummy.
I'm sorry for not telling you.
I mean,
those times were quite sensitive times, if I'm being honest.
And I think I also tried to disassociate myself from the situation.
-And act like-- -What the fuck?
-I'm just explaining.
-[Daisy scoffs] -Why he didn't tell you.
-[sighs] I'm not even trying to violate-- -Oh. You know that's actually crazy?
-I'm trying to explain. -What are you responding to?
I'm responding to him telling me that he kissed her.
[Daisy scoffs]
I actually asked you a million times.
[inhales deeply]
-[sighs] -And it's not even like I was unspecific.
I specifically asked.
[Daisy sighs]
The point of this exercise
was to get all of those secrets out
so that you can process them.
We're trying to draw a line under the past.
So just to help us move on.
The response?
Cool.
Thank you for telling me. That matters to me.
[pensive music playing]
Okay. Daisy, is there something that you can tell Jay?
One thing I need to tell you…
[tense music plays]
[Daisy] Do you know what?
There's definitely things in our relationship that he doesn't know.
And I feel like after finding out what he did,
there's a part of me that doesn't really feel compassion for him.
And I'll match his energy.
You do me, I do you. This is your karma.
[music intensifies]
One thing I'm afraid to tell you that
I need to tell you…
Um…
[exhales sharply]
I don't care how he responds.
You get it how you live it. [sighs]
[dramatic music plays]
[sighs]
[dramatic music continues]
[music continues]
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