[intriguing music plays]
[birds chirping]
[Maria] I read the contracts.
I negotiate with the brands back and forth.
Do you know how long negotiation takes so that we can get paid what we get paid?
I do, 'cause I do it too.
-It's not just you. -[Maria] Oh! Once in a while.
Everything that I do…
Sorry, I'm shouting.
There's frustration there.
-I understand. -That's what it is. I'm so sorry.
But what if I started doing crazy stuff out of frustration?
Yeah, and I can handle anything, period.
That's why I'm handling this conversation so easy.
Before you decide on marriage, why are you two even together?
Let's have a think about that.
So is it business?
Is it love?
Is it dependency?
What is it?
'Cause I love her.
I don't think anyone would love me the same way she does
and understand me the same way she does.
I know it's love.
This sort of interface between work,
your professional lives, and your personal lives,
and you just-- It's all mixed up.
[Viktor] And sometimes we get lost
in, yeah, in that.
-[Karen] You do, yeah. -Yeah.
So let's wrap up these sessions. Let's think about what we've covered here.
We know that you've got different views on marriage.
What is marriage? How is marriage? What does it-- What's it look like?
But as we all know, marriage can be tailored to suit you too.
And that's something that you can think about.
And we know that actually,
business and home life and personal relationship
all get mixed up together.
So there's room for splitting those up a bit,
being a bit clearer, having conversations about what's what.
We also know that you actually love each other.
Not just because you're in business together,
not just because you're too dependent on each other,
because actually, there is a love still there.
Take it away, talk to each other,
think about it, and work with it.
[soft music plays]
[Maria] Okay.
Man, this whole experience, therapy thing, has been a lot of ups and downs,
but overall, I think it, like, got us closer.
I don't think that necessarily my opinion has changed on marriage,
but I think that Maria has heard me and what I had to say.
And now it's just all about the hard work. I know I'm not gonna give up,
and I hope she doesn't give up.
And, yeah, I'm… I'm looking forward to… to our next chapter.
-Thank you both very much. -Thank you, Karen.
-[Karen] Thank you. -[Maria] It was nice meeting you.
-Take care. -[Viktor] Thank you very much.
-[Karen] Bye-bye. -Bye.
I've learned that Viktor also has things
of which he wants to, you know, share and open up to me about.
And I hear that, I receive that, you know?
But the whole marriage-goal thing, I'm not gonna lie to you.
Like, I'm not changing my whole entire soul just to get that.
Like, no, that needs to come from the heart, from the love.
I want to feel fully seen and fully fulfilled in our relationship.
And we'll see.
You never know.
I might be engaged one day, or we might be broken up one day.
Who knows? Just gotta do what's right for me.
That's one thing I've learned from therapy.
I just gotta do what's right for me.
[music fades]
["On a Wave (Nightlife Trap)" plays]
♪ Take a ride through the city Tryna roll ♪
♪ Take a ride, take a ride ♪
♪ Yeah, ay Moved West but I still came back ♪
♪ Five years and you still can't rap ♪
♪ So tired that I called up chief ♪
♪ Said, boy, it ain't that… ♪
-How are you? -[Debbie] I'm fine. How are you?
Tired.
-Lots of food. -Do you know how late you are?
[Kelvin] I know. I couldn't do anything. I tried.
I tried my best.
[song ends]
That's not funny.
You're meant to spend quality time with me.
Me being here, it's a lot. It's… It's, you know…
I feel like you're not being, like, very, like, open in the sessions.
Like, or that you're holding back.
-I mean, there was one thing, you know. -What?
It was just a brief comment that my mum…
my mum made.
Okay.
Okay, she said, "I don't know if Debbie is the one for you now,
in your life, you know."
But why are you brushing it off like that's not a big deal?
I thought it was just, like, a comment.
I feel like that's a very unacceptable comment
for your mum to make about our relationship.
This is what I'm saying. I knew me telling you was gonna cause this.
-Call her. -[Kelvin] Okay.
[line ringing]
[Kelvin] This is some bollocks.
-[Kelvin's mom] Go on. -Wow. You okay?
-[Kelvin's mom] Yeah, what's up? -Um, I'm with Debbie now.
-[Kelvin's mom] Mm-hmm. -[Kelvin] Um…
-[Kelvin] She wants to talk to you. -[Kelvin's mom] Okay.
I'm just gonna put you on loudspeaker, let you guys chop it up.
-[Debbie] Hello, Mum. -[Kelvin's mom] Yes, darling.
Kelvin said that you think I'm not the one for him at the moment.
[Kelvin's mom] Mm-hmm.
[Kelvin's mom] Um, you know why I said that, Debs?
Because, you know, you complain about it, you think he hasn't got time for you,
but you know why he hasn't got time for you.
You know that he's doing this for the future.
Do you not see me around Kelvin five days a week?
-Do I not always come to the shop to help? -[Kelvin's mom] I do. I do.
[Debbie] So that's why I find it upsetting
that you're telling him that I'm not the one for him,
when I've been here for how long, years?
-[Kelvin's mom] No. No, not-- -I stood beside him.
[Kelvin's mom] It's been too long for you two.
There's too much at stake for you to walk away.
So be there through thick and thin.
[Debbie] You should've come to talk to me,
just to be like, you know what? Let me speak to you,
you know, give me some advice.
[Kelvin's mom] If you want this thing to work,
you need to chill!
Period.
You get me?
-Okay, Mum. Talk to you later. -[Kelvin's mom] Okay, darling.
-[Kelvin's mom] Thank you, bye. -Yeah, bye.
[soft R&B music plays]
You okay?
I just feel like your mum
shouldn't get involved and say things like that.
♪ Won't you stay by my side? ♪
♪ Through the good, the bad, the ugly ♪
♪ Tell me, are you gonna ride? ♪
[Karen] Carmen and Junior have used therapy
to discuss some very, very, very difficult issues they've been having.
Their biggest block to real communication
is Carmen's insistence on the fourth child,
whilst Junior has been clear that, for him,
the family is complete.
This couple now have to navigate the breach of trust
that the vasectomy has created.
After 20 years together,
the question is, can they find a way back?
Thank you for coming back.
[song ends]
So this is our last session.
And I thought we would start
with a bit of a recap of what we have managed to cover.
For you, Junior, you've talked a lot
about wanting more affection, wanting to be seen by Carmen.
And, Carmen, you've talked a lot about not being heard,
big decisions not being shared.
Then we moved on to the vasectomy
that was done without really negotiating
and the revelation that actually the sperm hadn't been frozen
and how that left you feeling, Carmen.
Devastated.
Okay.
I felt betrayed. Like, you know, I didn't…
It's not like I knew about any of this.
I don't feel like I've betrayed
Carmen. I feel like…
It's quite a heavy word to use to describe this scenario.
I mean, that-- That's how I feel.
That's how I've felt, so…
-[Junior] Okay. -[Carmen] You know.
Like, I've never had anything like this in our relationship before,
where I've felt, like, such a lack of trust.
Okay.
I don't know what we can do moving forward.
And at this point, I'm not even 100% sure if Junior does wanna have more kids, so--
I don't wanna have more kids right now. I've made that very clear.
And now I'm being spoken to like I've betrayed you.
Okay.
I wanna focus on us, right?
-And now-- -I wanna focus on us too.
So let's just do that, then.
You've made yourself very clear, and I respect and appreciate how you feel.
I just feel like we've got other things to work on right now,
and I feel like we need to work on our relationship
and focus on that, you know?
Something that I was left with, Junior.
You mentioned how devastated you had been at the break-up,
and you were never going back there.
You were never gonna feel that bereft again.
And the question is,
is the vasectomy a way of taking back control?
I would say that, yeah, I guess it probably is.
Because I don't wanna ever feel what I felt before.
I don't ever wanna be in that position.
-You know? -What, vulnerable?
I don't wanna be vulnerable. I don't wanna be, you know, devastated.
I don't wanna go through what I went through again.
When me and Carmen broke up, it was very difficult for me.
I went to a very dark place,
and I didn't feel loved, obviously.
I want our relationship to be about us,
not just about how and when we can make babies.
You know, it's important to me that she shows me
that she loves me. [inhales]
[Karen] What about you, Carmen?
What Junior's saying, does that make sense to you?
[Carmen] Yeah, it does.
Because I feel like a lot of this has been about me having a fourth child.
I also do want you to know
that I am appreciative of you
and that I love you
and that you are an amazing husband,
an amazing father, and so important to me.
And I kind of want to show you
that it's not just about having a fourth child.
Like, that's not the only thing that I care about.
So as much as that was a priority for me,
I feel like this has really taught me to listen more
to my partner's feelings too,
as opposed to just my own feelings
and just sort of powering through of what I want.
So that's been really helpful for me.
I'm very grateful that Carmen has said that.
It means a lot.
And I think I need to see it, you know?
I just need to see and feel what she's saying over the next 12 months.
And after feeling appreciated
and feeling like she sees me
and, you know, she is really about me and her,
my feelings towards additional members of the family might completely change.
Let's focus on us for a year, and then can revisit
potentially maybe reversing the vasectomy.
Carmen?
Um, I just want everything to be transparent moving forward.
Resentment builds when nobody is listening.
So you have to be able to communicate what you're feeling resentful,
what you're feeling angry about.
[Junior] I think what we went through before,
I got to know myself a lot more through that break
and realized, you know, when you go quiet and you stop communicating,
you're actually just being defensive and trying to protect yourself.
So I've given Carmen that trust,
and I've said to myself,
I don't need to protect myself around this person.
I can be open.
Kind of. [chuckles]
-[laughs] -[Junior] Apart from one subject.
-Apart from one subject. Okay, kind of. -Apart from one subject.
-Yeah, exactly. -I can see where I was wrong.
-Do you really? -[Junior] Yeah.
-Yeah, I do. -Okay, good.
I feel like we need to continue with therapy.
We need to, you know, take your advice.
Like, I feel like there's a lot more work that needs to be done here.
You've both been going alongside each other,
and you need to sort of make intentional moves to bridge that,
to meet each other in the way,
to keep going, keep that communication open.
Would you agree?
-Yeah. -[Carmen] Yeah, definitely.
-[Karen] Okay. -[Carmen chuckles]
Our time has ended.
-Thanks. -[Carmen] Thank you, Karen.
-Thanks for your help. -Thanks for your help.
-You're welcome. -[Junior] We appreciate it.
[soft music plays]
[Carmen] This has definitely been a journey, um,
but I feel like it was 100% needed,
and I definitely would not have found out certain things
had we not have done this.
But if anything like this ever happened again,
I would have to seriously question
if this relationship is for me.
But Junior's my soulmate,
and I think we just need to communicate a lot better, um,
and be honest with ourselves and with each other.
The future is hopeful.
[Junior] The reason why I came here was to save our marriage.
And moving forward,
I definitely will not be behaving in that way again,
in terms of, like, hiding stuff from her.
Carmen means the world to me.
She's my childhood sweetheart,
so I think we'll be able to get through the hurdles ahead.
[music ends]
♪ We are all one, we are all one ♪
♪ Love is the answer ♪
♪ To every question ♪
♪ We are all one, we are all one ♪
♪ Love is the answer ♪
Like, where's the Coke, Sprite?
Like, what's this?
[Jay] That's… You get that at the corner shop. Not here.
Sometimes, I can't lie, I'm a corner-shop babe.
'Cause what is this?
Let's talk about the last session.
[Daisy] Let's talk.
You know what? I feel like when you haven't had kids,
you're planning the future and stuff, you say, "Oh, I want a big family."
Blah de blah de blah.
Like, when you actually have a kid and you understand
what it is to have a kid,
bro, it's no… it's nothing like what I thought it'd be.
I'm telling you as well, on the level,
like, I'm not just having one kid.
I'm… I'm not going to have more kids than I can handle on my own.
I only want to have the amount of kids
that I know that if everything went to shit, I can handle this.
Yeah, I can't lie, I'm one and done, like.
On a level, for real, for real, I don't think I can do it again.
If that's what you're saying, then…
[Daisy] No, honestly, because for me…
'Cause I already told you, that's a deal-breaker for me,
I'll be so honest, like…
[Daisy] But then, what we doing here?
["Forgiveness" by EMAN8 plays]
I don't know.
♪ Take your anger out on me ♪
♪ Want you screaming out my name ♪
♪ Say sorry with your body Forgive and forget it, babe ♪
[Karen] The main issues between this couple
is Kelvin's blindness
to the need for the relationship to be given attention.
He grew up in a household where Mum just worked to keep the family together.
He's unconsciously re-enacting that, but he doesn't have to do that.
What he needs to know is that he can have his business
and a relationship.
They can co-exist.
Whether this relationship survives
comes down to one thing,
their willingness to find a compromise.
-[Karen] Hello, Debbie. -[Debbie] Hello.
-[Karen] Hi. Hello, Kelvin. -[Kelvin] Hello.
Welcome back to our last session together.
[Kelvin] Mm.
I know.
You comfortable?
[exhales] Yes.
I do remember giving you some homework.
How did that go?
I was gonna cook for Debbie at mine.
It fell on the day where
Arsenal were playing the last game of the season, so…
He left me waiting.
-I think you was an hour and a half late? -Yeah.
-Did you tell Debbie you'd be late? -[Debbie] No.
You didn't tell me you were going to the Arsenal match.
Are you not understanding?
That's not how you communicate with your partner
and keep her waiting an hour and 30 minutes.
But I still came. Anyways, we can get--
-You got there. -[Kelvin] I got there.
I was-- I came, I cooked, we spoke a bit, I started cooking.
We had a little bit of an argument.
Okay, take me through this.
What did you tell me while you was cutting your onions?
So there was a comment my mum made.
She was just saying on the phone that,
"I don't think Debbie's the one for you right now."
"Try and sort of navigate your life."
His mum has gone to him and said,
"I don't think Debbie's the one because she's putting pressure on you."
"She's saying you're too busy. You need to run your business."
"That's what's happening." And now--
But it's not just my mum's influence. It's also reality.
No.
It's your mum's influence.
And there shouldn't be all this delusion going on of, "Debbie's not the one."
I do think your mum is a bit jealous.
I know she's not.
His mum has to be jealous.
Because why would you say you think I'm not the one for your son?
I think she believes I'm taking her spot.
But at the end of the day, you're his mum.
You're not going to marry Kelvin.
So I feel like she just needs to have a bit of boundaries.
Kelvin will never admit that.
[Kelvin] I am her only boy.
When a mum is advising their child, it's-- I understand why--
Well, you're 27. You're a-- You're a grown man now.
I'll always be her child, you know, until both of us go in the ground.
She's coming from a good place.
How would you feel about going forward with Kelvin
if Mum didn't approve of the-- the union?
If you was to be my husband, or you wanted to marry me as your wife,
I would expect you
to stand up for me with things like that.
I wouldn't wanna marry into a family where your mum doesn't approve of me.
Yeah.
[Debbie] Never.
My mum shouldn't have said it.
But with that being said, I understand where she was coming from.
I think she was coming from a place of just being a mum,
you know, always looking out for her son.
So I think she just kind of wanted to protect myself, my dream.
My mum, I know her.
She wants to sort of meddle and get involved. That's her character.
I've accepted it, you know?
Complete delusion.
Losing me, Kelvin,
sleepless nights.
And once I'm gone, never coming back.
And you know this.
[Karen] Where does this leave you?
What do you want? What don't you want? What can you do? What can't you do?
-Let's make it clear. -[Kelvin] I want--
I wanna focus on this business.
So where does that leave the relationship?
If he wants to pursue me as his girlfriend,
or prove to me that he wants me, he needs to just put in that effort.
I don't want him to feel comfortable of,
"I know I'm gonna see Debbie on Monday because she's coming to the shop."
-So I'm gonna take a seater… -[Karen] Yeah.
…on helping you with all your business stuff
and just leave that to you.
Okay.
-I think it's quite a healthy solution. -Oh, good.
[Karen] 'Cause it's separating business and your relationship.
[Debbie] Mm-hmm.
And whether you can make that space in your head
for the thought that, actually, there is a relationship.
I need to feed it.
I need to think about it.
I need to be in it sometimes in the week.
Yeah.
I love a challenge, so…
'Cause sometimes, I feel like he's confusing seeing me…
-Yes. -[Debbie] …in the shop…
-Definitely. -…as, "I've seen her."
-[Karen] Definitely. Definitely. -Yeah, I agree.
[Karen] So separating that is a good first move, really,
to test out whether you both have intention.
Does that sound workable?
Yeah.
Would you like to sort of agree that here?
Debbie, you talk to Kelvin and just say what it is that you want
over the next six months or a year.
So I'll give you, like, your space, do your business stuff.
However, if you want this to work, show me with action.
Cool.
[uplifting music plays]
How do you feel about that, Kelvin?
I-- Yeah, I wanna make it work.
We'll see.
From couples therapy, I feel just stronger.
I feel proud of myself
for putting myself, like, out there
and staying true to myself.
I love Kelvin,
and if he finds balance,
then I see a future with him.
But if there's no balance, then no.
Don't forget what we've said here today.
I won't forget this experience, trust me.
-Has it been that bad? -No, it's been all right.
It's been-- It's been good.
I think my main takeaway is love is complicated,
and sometimes, people aren't gonna see life
from the same lens that you do.
-Bye for now. -[Kelvin] Bye.
I hope that after this therapy session, we're more aligned with each other.
I'm gonna try spending quality time with Debbie outside work.
I do love Debbie.
And we'll see what the future has for both of us.
[music ends]
[tense music plays]
[Daisy] When it comes to the conversation on having more kids in the future,
I feel like we're definitely on different pages.
I feel like I've had insight on what it's like
to have a child with him.
I definitely don't regret it,
but I wouldn't wanna times that now by two.
[Jay] We had a date, and, yeah, it just took a left turn.
We were discussing potentially having more kids in the future,
which we've both agreed that we were gonna do.
I really need a lot of answers, man.
I don't even know if this girl still loves me.
I hope we can sort things out,
but at the end of the day, I just want clarity.
[music ends]
-[Karen] Hi, Jay. -[Jay] Hi, Karen.
Welcome back. Hello, Daisy.
[Daisy] Hi.
[Karen] How are you two?
Good.
Why do I not actually feel that?
Oh, I'm good as an individual. [chuckles]
-[Karen] Okay. -[Jay] Yeah.
Jay?
Not great.
Do you wanna tell me why?
We went on a date.
It was supposed to be for us to have a good time,
and we were just sort of going over the conversation
about having more kids.
The more we discussed that,
it just sort of took a left turn, I would say.
For you, Daisy?
I… I feel like I would need to see some genuine change
for me to feel safe having more kids with him.
[Karen] We'll come back to that.
So I gave you some questions, and you went away and thought about them.
-[Daisy] Yeah. -So can we go through them?
"What is working in this relationship that I still deeply value?"
And, Daisy, to you first, please.
"I really value the friendship element of a relationship,
and I feel that's one thing we always have."
"Every day with Joseph
does feel like spending time with a really good friend."
And, Jay?
I said I value the sense of togetherness that we have
when we go through issues.
I said I also value the deep love and connection
that we have for each other.
And I value the sense of care and honesty that she has sometimes as well.
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes.
-[Jay] Yeah. -You've both said the same thing.
[Daisy chuckles]
She's talking like she's talking about some best friend or something.
How have--
How is that what you've interpreted from what I've said?
Bro, I'm not your friend, bro, like…
I said I value the friendship element of a relationship.
[Jay] And that's all that you value.
[sighs]
You don't see that as a fundamental element of a relationship, Jay?
[Jay] It is fundamental, but, like,
I wanted to hear that she valued the love that we have
and the connection that we share.
-[Karen] Okay. -But that's obvious.
-[Karen] Okay. We'll come back. -[Jay] It's not obvious.
"What is hurting me or wearing me down
in ways I'm struggling to accept or forgive?"
Daisy?
"Joseph's lack of sentiment is wearing me down."
"When I newly gave birth,
he often says he was around when I needed him."
"But in the moments where he could show his support and empathy
for everything I'd gone through, when it wasn't absolutely necessary,
he didn't."
I'm hearing there that you don't feel
as if Jay really understands you and is there for you in that moment.
I did feel alone a lot of the times.
[Karen] Yeah.
Okay. "If nothing changes,
can I live with this relationship long-term?"
Joseph?
"If nothing changes, no, I do not believe
I can continue this relationship long-term."
'Cause I do wanna have a bigger family,
and I've got the impression that she would want to as well.
But then sometimes, I get the impression that she doesn't.
So I'm kind of confused on that.
Because ultimately, I'm the one giving birth,
and ultimately, I will be the primary carer.
-Can you do it yourself? -[Karen] Hold on.
-[Daisy] Yes. -Can you impregnate yourself?
Ultimately, it would be my decision.
Can we just think about, if you two weren't together…
[inhales]
…what would that mean for both of you?
I mean, are you together just for Alora?
-No. -[Karen] No?
If we weren't together, I would never leave her stranded.
-That's what I wanna talk about. -[Jay] I would never not support her.
'Cause when we did start this journey,
when she was pregnant, I was there the whole time.
[Karen] We're gonna shake it up a bit.
Can we do an exercise
where you two have a think about what it might be like to co-parent?
What were your thoughts?
I feel like, deep down,
he would prefer to co-parent.
[soft music plays]
What about you?
[breathes deeply]
I feel like this has unravelled
a lot of things that
I couldn't ignore.
To be honest, I'd rather leave here just being alone,
um, because, for me, it just sounds like
he's miserable, for the most part.
I don't truly want to be co-parents.
I don't think anybody does.
I think everybody who has a partner or has a kid with a partner
hopes for the happy ending one day.
I just feel like, ultimately, that's probably what's best.
I wouldn't want to contribute to somebody's misery.
I would just say,
find somebody who's on your wavelength.
-Have you heard me say I'm miserable? -[Karen] No, I haven't.
And this might sound harsh, but are you using him as an excuse
because, actually, you do wanna separate?
I was gonna say the same thing.
-Is that what you're doing? -Not at all.
If that's what you wanna do, just… just stand on it.
I'm not-- I'm not using him as an excuse.
And this is the thing. He hasn't explicitly said those things,
but from all the things that he's complained about,
I couldn't imagine that somebody like that is happy.
-So… -There's no happy or miserable.
-Isn't it things to work through? -Yeah, it's just things to work on.
I'm not happy about certain things,
but there's also so many different things I'm happy about,
which I show you all the time.
-You don't acknowledge them. -[Jay] I do acknowledge you.
Why am I gonna acknowledge…
Why am I gonna be discussing things I'm happy about?
There's nothing to discuss there.
["Destroy Me" by Nine One One plays]
You said that you feel like I'm constantly bringing you down.
-But I feel like you don't-- -I said as a father.
Okay, as a dad, as a person in general, whatever it may be,
but I feel like you don't realize
that is what you've done throughout this experience.
I feel like although I may criticize him about one thing,
I always make sure to then praise him about something else,
whereas vice versa, I just feel like it's constant criticism.
-And for me-- -Praise me about--
I haven't heard any praise.
Okay, that's fine. I don't care about this anymore.
-You see? -[Daisy] Like, I'm actually tired.
This is boring me at this point.
Why is she so irritated?
She's hurt.
Do you want to see if she wants to come back in?
No, man, honestly, I don't care. No.
I don't care. Genuinely.
I don't care.
Joseph was basically talking out of his arse,
and I just don't like the image that he's portraying.
And for me, it was a waste of time sitting there, listening to that
'cause it's just simply not true.
I'm done.
[exhales deeply]
[sighs]
[sobbing]
[breathes deeply]
This is what I have to deal with every-- It's just draining.
Like, who wants to deal with that?
Why don't you go and see how she's feeling?
♪ Rage in my arms tonight ♪
♪ Don't love me, destroy me ♪
♪ Burn like a wildfire ♪
♪ Flow like the river wild, oh ♪
♪ Rage in my arms tonight ♪
♪ Don't love me, destroy me ♪
[Jay] You actually left.
-You left me. -[Daisy] Yes, I have.
I've walked out before, but I've never left you.
-I've never left here without you. -That's fine.
The thing about me, I am gonna walk out
'cause I'm not gonna sit there and listen to that.
That's bullshit. You always say I don't support you.
That's a lie. I'm not doing it anymore.
-Okay, cool. -[Daisy] Talk to yourself!
[line disconnects]
[Jay] Whatever, man.
["Destroy Me" continues]
She does know I love her, and she knows I love Alora as well deeply,
so I don't know.
I feel like sometimes that's used against me.
I don't wanna be made to look like the villain.
So I don't know where this leaves us.
It seems like it's over, so, yeah.
I guess that's what it is. Over.
[song ends]
♪ Don't give up on this ♪
♪ Promise me… ♪
[producer] Viktor and Maria.
♪ You won't let go so quick ♪
Good news is that Viktor and my parents have worked it out.
They all sat down,
they spoke about everything they need to speak about,
and now it's all hashed, it's all good.
They're all aligned with each other now, so it's perfect.
We want the love for each other to be the base layer for everything.
Foundation.
[Viktor] The foundation for everything we do from now on.
-Mm-hmm. -Everything else comes next.
Yeah. Oh, that was good, wasn't it?
-That was very good. -That was cute.
-No. -'Cause you have stuff.
-You don't want my lip gloss? -Not right now.
We're definitely gonna continue some therapy.
Um, we need a Karen in our life.
[both laugh]
Sometimes you need that middle person just to kind of help you maneuver
through certain conversations with each other.
It's been a positive experience.
Yeah.
[Debbie] Life has been…
amazing.
I've been traveling.
I got a promotion at my job.
Everything just seems to be falling into place,
and I've just been the happiest I've ever been in a very long time.
With that being said…
[Kelvin grunts]
…me and Kelvin are still together.
[Kelvin] Definitely grown as a couple and individuals.
Debbie's a lot busier now,
so she definitely understands the struggles that I was facing.
And now I'm on the receiving end.
So, yeah, it's a double-edged sword, but we've definitely grown.
[laughing]
I can say that after therapy, it opened a lot of wounds,
And it was very difficult. We nearly didn't make it.
We decided to continue therapy,
and it has been a journey.
I'm still, like, obviously letting her know that I'm going out with the friends.
It's just sort of trying to find balance, I guess.
We're working through it.
[Jay] So me and Daisy's relationship right now…
yeah, we're not together.
[Daisy] We were just on two completely different pages.
I felt like we were speaking two different languages.
But our daughter's our main priority,
so irregardless of what's going on between us,
we definitely make sure to show up for her.
I think the resentment from
a lot of the past issues that we've been through,
and things that we just can't necessarily get past,
has just sort of caught up to us.
We've broken up lots of times, but what makes it feel different this time
is we don't live together anymore.
Yeah, it just makes it more final, you know?
I could see myself getting back with him,
but I feel like I definitely need to deal with my pride, um,
and learn to forgive.
[sighs]
There's a reason that we were together in the first place, so, yeah, I--
That's my answer.
-We made it to the sofa. [laughs] -We've made it to the sofa. [laughs]
[Dami] Things are going really well between us.
I think therapy has helped us understand each other a bit more.
-Mm-hmm. -I would say that you appreciate me more.
-Don't you? -Definitely.
In regards to intimacy,
there's definitely a few more, like, visits per week.
-You know? Got more-- -More effort.
Yeah, more effort. It's been-- It's good, it's nice.
I don't know, I just fancy my mans all over again, you know, you know?
[laughing]
[Mike] I would say we're in a great place
in terms of intimacy, finances, just in general.
I think we're really good.
I am now a postman.
Not necessarily what I wanna be doing right now,
but being able to contribute financially again
makes me feel like the man.
It's good to see you out doing something.
It's changed your spirit,
it's made you more like how you were before.
-Less grumpy. -And I'm proud of you.
Because you're doing what you need to do.
That's what we do, man.
[chuckles] Why are you smiling at me like that?
[Yasmin laughs]
And…
we're having a baby!
-[laughing] -[crew cheering]
[joyful music playing]
[laughs]
[music ends]
♪ We are all one, we are all one ♪
♪ Love is the answer ♪
♪ To every question ♪
♪ We are all one, we are all one ♪
♪ Love is the answer ♪
♪ To every question ♪
♪ Amazing Grace ♪
♪ How sweet the sound ♪
♪ That saved a wretch like me ♪
♪ Saved a wretch like me ♪
♪ We are all one, we are all one ♪
♪ Love is the answer ♪
♪ To every question ♪
♪ We are all one, we are all one ♪
♪ Love is the answer ♪
♪ To every question ♪
[song ends] question ♪