WEBVTT 00:06.715 --> 00:09.342 [ambient street noise] 00:21.980 --> 00:23.982 [foreboding music playing] 00:25.066 --> 00:27.068 [subway train rumbling] 00:41.708 --> 00:43.710 [siren wailing in distance] 00:48.047 --> 00:51.009 [foreboding music continuing] 00:58.767 --> 01:00.518 [woman 1] When I got the call, 01:00.602 --> 01:04.063 they said, "Oh, Carnegie Deli. You've got a quintuple." 01:04.147 --> 01:05.148 Five homicides. 01:05.231 --> 01:07.025 [sirens wailing] 01:07.108 --> 01:11.112 [man 1] When we got to the scene, we had a hell of a lot of people outside. 01:11.196 --> 01:14.824 The restaurant was jammed. Uniform closed the place down. 01:14.908 --> 01:17.827 We want to keep the crowd there so we can interview them. 01:17.911 --> 01:20.622 Try to get witnesses as quickly as you can. 01:21.331 --> 01:25.085 I get up there and I get briefed by the detectives. 01:25.168 --> 01:27.170 [steadily intensifying ticking] 01:31.091 --> 01:34.928 [woman 2] So at the scene, there was three likely and two DOAs. 01:35.011 --> 01:38.598 Three people who are likely gonna go to the emergency room, the hospital. 01:39.474 --> 01:41.559 I can't imagine laying there, 01:41.643 --> 01:44.813 hearing the shots go off and knowing that you're next. 01:46.397 --> 01:48.942 You can't shoot five people in New York. 01:49.025 --> 01:50.777 They're gonna hunt your ass down. 01:52.695 --> 01:54.113 They're gonna find you. 01:54.197 --> 01:57.492 [tense intro music playing] 01:57.575 --> 02:00.370 [man 2] Every case takes a piece out of your soul. 02:03.039 --> 02:06.960 [woman 1] You cannot do this job unless you really care. 02:09.045 --> 02:11.005 [man 3] You want to find out the truth. 02:12.423 --> 02:13.967 That's what detectives do. 02:14.551 --> 02:16.928 [man 4] I've always liked the peek behind the curtain. 02:17.011 --> 02:18.680 What really happened? 02:19.264 --> 02:22.934 [woman 2] It's so important for a family to know who murdered their relative. 02:23.017 --> 02:24.060 That's my job. 02:24.644 --> 02:28.940 [man 5] In New York City, the NYPD… 02:31.901 --> 02:33.111 This is it. 02:33.862 --> 02:37.448 [intro music trails off] 02:38.825 --> 02:40.827 [siren wailing in distance] 02:42.704 --> 02:46.332 [mysterious music playing] 02:51.796 --> 02:53.006 [woman] I love New York. 02:53.506 --> 02:58.469 I grew up in Alphabet City on 10th Street in housing projects. 02:58.553 --> 03:00.680 My parents were very strict with me. 03:00.763 --> 03:03.183 I was never allowed to do a thing. 03:03.266 --> 03:04.225 [funky music playing] 03:04.309 --> 03:08.479 But we used to cut out of high school and go to movie theaters on 42nd Street. 03:08.980 --> 03:12.150 It was a real grungy area for a long time. 03:12.650 --> 03:14.277 You had the peep shows. 03:14.360 --> 03:17.238 You had all the pedophiles in the arcades. 03:18.031 --> 03:20.658 But it had color. It had life. 03:21.409 --> 03:24.621 It also had quite a bit of business for me, most unfortunately. 03:26.956 --> 03:30.335 When I became a cop in the '80s, it was still really high crime. 03:31.544 --> 03:34.923 [man] Police officers who were hired in the 1980s 03:35.006 --> 03:38.635 kind of cleaned up those streets in the 1990s. 03:38.718 --> 03:41.262 [funky music trails off] 03:42.305 --> 03:46.476 [man 2] By 2001, Broadway was at one of its peaks. 03:47.018 --> 03:50.480 Theaters were all crowded every night. 03:50.563 --> 03:55.485 And the Carnegie Deli was thriving. People would wait on line to get in there. 03:56.653 --> 03:58.321 [Butcher] It's bright and crazy, 03:58.404 --> 04:03.660 and it's filled with tourists dislocating their jaws on huge sandwiches. 04:03.743 --> 04:07.121 It was right next to the theater that Letterman filmed. 04:07.705 --> 04:10.708 So people flocked there. It was a landmark. 04:14.504 --> 04:18.675 So it's a Thursday. I worked earlier in the day and was done. 04:18.758 --> 04:24.097 And I was at the ball field, coaching my son's baseball game. 04:25.139 --> 04:26.724 The game ended when I get the call. 04:26.808 --> 04:28.017 [phone rings] 04:29.644 --> 04:32.355 When you start saying it's in Midtown Manhattan, 04:32.438 --> 04:35.650 and you start mentioning a landmark like Carnegie Deli, 04:35.733 --> 04:37.694 I have to get up there as soon as possible. 04:37.777 --> 04:40.613 In retrospect, I probably should have put a suit on. I did not. 04:40.697 --> 04:43.241 I show up, I'm wearing shorts and a T-shirt. 04:44.450 --> 04:46.536 The crime that took place in that building 04:46.619 --> 04:49.747 was on the top-floor apartment, not in the restaurant. 04:50.331 --> 04:52.875 Fifth floor was where everything took place. 04:55.586 --> 04:58.423 We spoke to the super. We speak to the neighbors. 04:58.506 --> 05:02.468 We do canvasses, find out if anybody can tell us who these people are. 05:02.552 --> 05:05.263 The cooperation from the deli downstairs… 05:06.431 --> 05:08.558 We identified Jennifer Stahl. 05:08.641 --> 05:10.226 [Rivera] It's her apartment. 05:13.855 --> 05:17.900 [Parrino] I remember standing in the doorway of the apartment building 05:18.526 --> 05:22.196 and seein' this guy coming down the stairs, takin' pictures. 05:22.280 --> 05:24.699 I don't know everybody in Crime Scene by name, 05:24.782 --> 05:26.868 but I know everybody in Crime Scene by now. 05:26.951 --> 05:28.870 I've been around long enough, and I'm like, 05:29.787 --> 05:33.041 "I don't even see Crime Scene's car. Who's this guy takin' pictures?" 05:34.042 --> 05:37.587 I remember it went something like this. Like, "Who are you?" 05:38.880 --> 05:40.673 "What are you doing in my crime scene?" 05:40.757 --> 05:43.718 "Are you in Crime?" "No, I'm not." "Then who are you?" 05:43.801 --> 05:46.429 "I'm the police commissioner's photographer." 05:46.512 --> 05:49.015 I'll tell you what I said. You could bleep it out. 05:49.098 --> 05:52.185 "I don't give a fuck who you are. Get out of my fuckin' crime scene." 05:53.853 --> 05:55.480 [Rivera] Parrino's not a kiss ass. 05:55.980 --> 05:58.524 A case like this, everybody wants to come and look. 05:58.608 --> 06:00.234 But when you're in charge of the scene, 06:00.318 --> 06:03.029 no matter who the boss is, you tell them, "You can't come in." 06:05.490 --> 06:08.826 [Zeins] We get upstairs, and inside, there on the floor, 06:08.910 --> 06:11.204 were two bodies face down 06:12.163 --> 06:14.248 with their hands behind their back, 06:14.999 --> 06:18.378 tied up in duct tape and shot in the head. 06:19.796 --> 06:21.381 [Butcher] They didn't break in. 06:21.881 --> 06:23.800 Door's not broken down. 06:24.550 --> 06:26.219 So that gives you some clue. 06:26.969 --> 06:31.140 Barbara Butcher was like having another detective there, 06:31.224 --> 06:35.520 but a detective who knew more than you. 06:36.562 --> 06:38.940 [Butcher] I was a medical legal death investigator 06:39.023 --> 06:42.276 working for the Office of Chief Medical Examiner in New York. 06:43.111 --> 06:46.572 We go to that scene and investigate the body. 06:47.365 --> 06:48.866 We work with the police. 06:48.950 --> 06:51.119 The scene belongs to them. 06:51.202 --> 06:52.745 The body belongs to me. 06:52.829 --> 06:54.497 [suspenseful music playing] 06:54.580 --> 06:59.502 Four people had been lined up and shot. 07:02.046 --> 07:04.924 [quietly] One, two, three, four. 07:07.593 --> 07:10.805 And there was blood in a rectangle 07:11.848 --> 07:13.766 down the living room floor. 07:15.309 --> 07:16.978 And then the smears of blood 07:17.061 --> 07:23.067 where two of the people had been pulled away by EMTs. 07:23.985 --> 07:28.156 And then I photograph the wounds and the bindings. 07:28.823 --> 07:29.699 [shutter snaps] 07:29.782 --> 07:33.494 Tied behind the back, ankles tied, things like that. 07:37.540 --> 07:39.459 One of the detectives saying to me, 07:39.542 --> 07:42.253 "Let me take you where we think the first shooting occurred, 07:42.336 --> 07:43.504 the first victim." 07:44.005 --> 07:45.548 That was Jennifer Stahl. 07:46.048 --> 07:47.633 [somber music playing] 07:47.717 --> 07:51.554 Somebody told me that she was the owner of the apartment, 07:51.637 --> 07:54.891 and had been removed because she still had a pulse. 07:56.684 --> 08:01.814 Even though the body isn't there, I still need to collect whatever evidence, 08:01.898 --> 08:05.610 whatever story I can about that person 08:05.693 --> 08:08.112 if they're likely to die. 08:09.155 --> 08:12.450 And we went back to a little recording studio. 08:13.493 --> 08:16.412 She had this wonderful little creative thing. 08:16.496 --> 08:18.331 The kind of thing I would like. 08:19.749 --> 08:23.085 And, um, I… I had a flash of sadness. 08:24.795 --> 08:26.672 And to see blood in that little… 08:27.632 --> 08:29.091 sweet little studio. 08:29.175 --> 08:30.968 It was not good. 08:32.595 --> 08:36.474 You wanna be careful not to let your emotions get away with you. 08:36.557 --> 08:39.644 So, you know, quick, boom. Let's close the lid on that. 08:39.727 --> 08:43.397 Let's tamp that right the hell down. Let's get about our business. 08:43.481 --> 08:46.192 [melancholy music trails off] 08:46.275 --> 08:47.693 [suspenseful music playing] 08:48.569 --> 08:51.030 [Parrino] I remember walkin' into the apartment. 08:51.113 --> 08:53.908 It becomes apparent this is a place of business. 08:54.909 --> 08:59.080 This was not the "nickel bag in Washington Square Park cut with oregano" 08:59.163 --> 09:00.790 kind of pot dealing. 09:00.873 --> 09:05.211 She was dealing, uh, high-end marijuana. 09:06.712 --> 09:09.173 We discovered drugs and money missing. 09:09.799 --> 09:12.468 [Rivera] Right away, we're gonna think, "It's a robbery gone bad." 09:12.552 --> 09:15.513 But you have five people tied up, four people on the floor. 09:15.596 --> 09:17.890 That's very unusual, especially in Midtown. 09:17.974 --> 09:19.725 That doesn't really happen there. 09:19.809 --> 09:23.479 All shot in the head, back of the head, execution style. 09:24.438 --> 09:28.067 We can think it could be a personal thing. We could think it might be domestic, 09:28.150 --> 09:32.780 where Jennifer might have had a problem with a boyfriend or somebody else. 09:32.863 --> 09:36.867 The fact that Jennifer Stahl was selling weed wasn't important to us, 09:36.951 --> 09:38.995 even though marijuana wasn't legal then. 09:39.078 --> 09:41.872 We were more concerned that five people got shot. 09:43.040 --> 09:45.251 The media was all over it from the beginning. 09:45.334 --> 09:47.420 They caught wind of it the night it happened. 09:47.503 --> 09:49.505 [intense, riveting music playing] 09:51.674 --> 09:54.218 [reporter] Detectives and investigators search for clues 09:54.302 --> 09:57.179 hours after two men and a woman were killed 09:57.263 --> 09:59.765 and another man and woman hospitalized. 09:59.849 --> 10:03.936 A friend of mine called and was like, "Mich, did you… Turn on the TV." 10:04.020 --> 10:06.897 "Did you see the news? There's been a shooting at Jen's." 10:06.981 --> 10:08.816 [siren squawks] 10:08.899 --> 10:10.443 They were interrupting TV shows. 10:10.526 --> 10:12.570 Massacre happened above the Carnegie Deli. 10:12.653 --> 10:14.780 …execution-style shooting inside the building 10:14.864 --> 10:16.574 were bound and gagged with duct tape. 10:16.657 --> 10:19.619 She'd broken her finger and had a surgery. 10:20.661 --> 10:24.540 You could see the cast on her hand, and I knew it was Jen. 10:24.624 --> 10:26.000 I knew it was her. 10:29.462 --> 10:32.506 With media pressure came more resources, which was very helpful. 10:33.799 --> 10:36.135 [man] Manhattan is divided for police department purposes, 10:36.218 --> 10:38.137 Manhattan North and Manhattan South. 10:38.220 --> 10:40.389 So the dividing line is 59th Street. 10:41.182 --> 10:45.061 Manhattan South handles everything south of 59th Street, 10:45.144 --> 10:47.605 down to the Battery, river to river. 10:47.688 --> 10:50.232 Each borough has several precincts. 10:50.983 --> 10:53.653 Each of those precincts has a detective squad. 10:53.736 --> 10:56.822 Homicide squads come in as a support group 10:56.906 --> 11:01.285 when a homicide drops in one of those precincts. 11:01.994 --> 11:05.665 The case was assigned to Midtown North Precinct. 11:06.374 --> 11:08.334 So it's Manhattan South Homicide. 11:08.918 --> 11:12.463 You need personnel. The more personnel, the more information you're gonna get. 11:13.339 --> 11:16.258 You wanna get Manhattan North Homicide down there. 11:17.051 --> 11:19.178 We would be called to assist them. 11:19.261 --> 11:21.972 They never would be called to assist us. 11:22.056 --> 11:25.059 [Rivera] Manhattan South, we called them "Manhattan Soft." 11:25.142 --> 11:27.353 Cops that work in Manhattan North are tougher. 11:27.436 --> 11:29.021 There was this whole competition. 11:29.105 --> 11:31.690 When I went to work in Manhattan South, I changed my opinion. 11:31.774 --> 11:35.861 Manhattan South, you have to really use your head and investigation skills, 11:35.945 --> 11:40.157 because a lot of the cases were stranger-on-stranger homicides. 11:40.241 --> 11:43.994 And a lot of the perpetrators come from New Jersey, Brooklyn, Queens. 11:44.078 --> 11:45.579 They can come from anywhere. 11:45.663 --> 11:48.958 [intense, riveting music playing] 11:50.751 --> 11:55.923 There were witnesses on the scene who saw a red car driving away. 11:56.006 --> 11:58.259 Close proximity to the deli. 11:58.342 --> 12:00.719 These bits of information, when they're put together, 12:00.803 --> 12:03.556 it's either gonna fit into the pattern of the investigation 12:03.639 --> 12:05.307 or it's gonna get ruled out. 12:05.391 --> 12:07.226 But everything is worthy of a look. 12:07.309 --> 12:10.646 It's a full-court press to find out as much as we can. 12:11.230 --> 12:14.150 [Rivera] First, we identify Stahl. It's her apartment. 12:14.233 --> 12:17.486 From there, we have to identify all the victims. 12:17.570 --> 12:19.780 All your effort goes into identifying the person 12:19.864 --> 12:21.866 before figuring out what happened. 12:22.491 --> 12:25.578 [McNeely] You do victimology. You look into their backgrounds. 12:25.661 --> 12:26.912 We had a gang database. 12:26.996 --> 12:29.540 You're gonna run them through that database. 12:29.623 --> 12:33.377 Check with Narcotics to see if they knew any individuals that were there. 12:33.461 --> 12:35.379 Nicknames, phone numbers, things like that. 12:36.338 --> 12:40.384 [Rivera] The DOAs were Stephen King and Charles Helliwell. 12:41.302 --> 12:43.304 [Butcher] Jennifer didn't make it. 12:43.387 --> 12:46.474 She died probably just a few hours later. 12:46.974 --> 12:48.976 Gunshot wound to the head. 12:50.352 --> 12:53.814 And the other two, by a miracle of God, 12:54.607 --> 12:58.360 despite being shot in the head, they survived. 12:58.444 --> 13:01.113 [somber, pensive music playing] 13:07.369 --> 13:11.957 [Veader] I just feel like somebody was watching out for me, you know? 13:13.083 --> 13:15.628 That my mother was with me or something like that. 13:16.587 --> 13:19.298 God was on one shoulder and my mother was on the other. 13:19.799 --> 13:20.841 Because… 13:22.134 --> 13:23.135 Um… 13:23.844 --> 13:26.847 Yeah, that was… that was close. 13:27.681 --> 13:29.683 [subtly menacing music playing] 13:32.102 --> 13:36.398 I was shot on my right side, 13:36.482 --> 13:39.026 behind my ear right at the bottom of my hairline. 13:39.819 --> 13:44.114 And then the exit came out, um, above my occipital bone. 13:46.992 --> 13:50.621 So it just basically followed the curvature of the skull and came out. 13:51.330 --> 13:53.207 Which is a lucky thing, 13:53.290 --> 13:56.293 'cause I think if it went in, I wouldn't be here probably. 13:58.754 --> 14:02.091 I never left my… my spot 'cause I didn't know… 14:02.174 --> 14:04.260 I was in this big puddle of blood. 14:04.843 --> 14:07.388 And I didn't know if I would lodge… 14:07.471 --> 14:11.684 If the bullet was still in me, if I would lodge the bullet in me, or, um… 14:13.352 --> 14:15.563 or if I was gonna die, I didn't know. 14:16.063 --> 14:18.065 So I just stayed where I was. 14:20.234 --> 14:22.403 Once I thought that they were gone 14:22.486 --> 14:25.865 is when I got my hands untied from the gaffer's tape 14:27.032 --> 14:31.620 and reached for my cell phone in my pocket and called 911. 14:31.704 --> 14:33.080 Then kept making phone calls. 14:34.373 --> 14:37.793 I dunno. I just wanted to say some goodbyes to some of my friends. 14:42.798 --> 14:46.343 The two that survive, 14:46.427 --> 14:48.929 we're trying to get statements out of them. 14:50.681 --> 14:54.602 [Veader] The detectives were there right from when I got to the hospital. 14:54.685 --> 14:56.478 I just told them what I knew. 14:56.562 --> 14:58.606 I mean, what… what I saw. 15:01.734 --> 15:05.696 [Rivera] We found out the victims, they were all theater people, in the arts. 15:05.779 --> 15:08.282 And I understood that one of those living victims 15:08.365 --> 15:11.827 was the fiancée of one of the DOAs. 15:15.831 --> 15:19.001 I told the police officer, "I walked in. Jen introduced me to a couple, 15:19.084 --> 15:22.546 Rosemond and Trey, that were up from St. John." 15:22.630 --> 15:25.090 They were sitting around having a glass of wine. 15:25.174 --> 15:27.384 She just asked me to join them, and I did. 15:27.468 --> 15:31.764 My intent was just to go there and give her a trim and get weed. 15:31.847 --> 15:34.808 I'm a hairstylist, so we did a little bartering. 15:36.935 --> 15:40.522 About 15 minutes after I got there, there was a buzz at the door. 15:41.607 --> 15:45.194 It was almost like a bit of a blur of two people coming in, 15:45.277 --> 15:47.988 but you could tell from the size of them… 15:48.072 --> 15:50.991 One was taller than the other one, one was better-looking. 15:52.493 --> 15:53.869 I didn't know them from Adam. 15:54.620 --> 15:59.959 The taller one of the two took a gun out from his waistband and said, 16:00.042 --> 16:03.170 "Everybody get on the ground and put your arms behind your back." 16:03.879 --> 16:06.006 I mean, I just did what I was told, and… 16:06.840 --> 16:10.719 I thought maybe that would keep it from anything escalating, but… 16:14.390 --> 16:17.643 One of them took my friend Jennifer into the other room. 16:17.726 --> 16:20.521 I remember, um, her saying, 16:20.604 --> 16:23.607 "Please, take whatever you want. Just don't hurt my friends." 16:23.691 --> 16:27.403 And with that, that's when I heard the first gunshot go off. 16:27.486 --> 16:30.489 [intense, foreboding music pulsing] 16:30.572 --> 16:31.573 [gunshot] 16:34.159 --> 16:37.538 And I guess he… he… he killed her right there. 16:42.209 --> 16:45.379 I just didn't hear her again after that. 16:46.422 --> 16:48.215 So I think I… I just think I… 16:48.716 --> 16:49.717 I knew then… 16:50.551 --> 16:51.844 "This is it." 16:51.927 --> 16:53.554 You know, I figured we're… 16:54.430 --> 16:56.432 There wasn't gonna be anything else. 16:57.182 --> 16:59.184 [delicate, somber music playing] 17:02.688 --> 17:03.731 [Zeins] In New York City, 17:03.814 --> 17:07.359 there's no telephone notifications when someone dies. It's face-to-face. 17:07.443 --> 17:10.904 You gotta go knock on this person's door in the middle of the night 17:10.988 --> 17:14.408 or middle of the day, and tell them that someone in their family's deceased. 17:14.491 --> 17:16.118 That's really the hardest part. 17:16.201 --> 17:18.078 Those words don't come out of your mouth easy, 17:18.162 --> 17:22.207 to say that their loved one has been murdered. 17:22.291 --> 17:25.502 You know, tragically like this, and senselessly, and… 17:25.586 --> 17:28.047 It's… I think there's another level to it. 17:28.130 --> 17:29.882 And, you know, I just… 17:29.965 --> 17:34.344 You can just feel it, when people learn it for the first time. 17:34.428 --> 17:35.804 So it's just… 17:35.888 --> 17:38.515 Yeah. Yeah. It's not an easy thing. 17:38.599 --> 17:40.601 [somber, restrained music playing] 17:43.187 --> 17:46.523 -It was May 11th that we found out. -Eleventh. 17:46.607 --> 17:50.152 My mom and dad, they were on the Cape, and a police officer came to their house. 17:50.235 --> 17:53.739 My mother was watering her flowers in her bathrobe, and two… 17:53.822 --> 17:55.199 At 6:00 in the morning. 17:55.282 --> 17:59.286 …two policemen walked down the driveway and said, "Are you Karen Helliwell?" 17:59.369 --> 18:03.081 -She said she had this sinking sensation. -Her heart sunk. Yeah. 18:03.165 --> 18:05.793 And they're like, "Is your husband here?" 18:05.876 --> 18:07.711 He was, so they sat them down. 18:07.795 --> 18:09.963 And they told them the news that Trey was dead. 18:10.047 --> 18:13.675 -Yeah. -Our lives were forever changed that day. 18:16.303 --> 18:18.180 [Jennifer] Two days later was his birthday, 18:18.263 --> 18:19.973 and it was lilac season. 18:20.891 --> 18:22.559 He absolutely loved lilacs. 18:22.643 --> 18:25.479 He was born and he died in lilac. 18:25.562 --> 18:27.189 The height of its glory. 18:27.272 --> 18:28.273 [Holly] Mm-hmm. 18:31.735 --> 18:33.612 We knew Trey was coming to New York 18:33.695 --> 18:37.199 to meet Rosemond's family and to attend a cousin's wedding. 18:39.451 --> 18:44.123 And they were supposed to stay at Jennifer Stahl's Carnegie Deli apartment. 18:44.206 --> 18:47.334 -Yeah. -And so that's how they ended up there. 18:48.335 --> 18:50.087 [Cramer] My heart goes out to them. 18:51.255 --> 18:53.549 Rosemond came to visit Jen, 18:53.632 --> 18:57.427 but I felt it was really sad because Trey didn't really know Jen. 18:59.138 --> 19:02.558 Just, you know, a friend of a friend, hanging out with her. 19:03.433 --> 19:05.435 [intense, erratic music playing] 19:07.146 --> 19:10.232 [Parrino] In this case, we raised 18 fingerprints 19:10.315 --> 19:14.194 between inside the apartment and on the banister. 19:14.278 --> 19:18.031 But we collected no ballistic shells. So that tells you something. 19:18.115 --> 19:20.993 Five shots. You don't find any shells. 19:21.076 --> 19:23.120 You're probably looking at a revolver. 19:24.580 --> 19:27.875 [Zeins] Maybe they threw a weapon, the gun, in the sewer. 19:27.958 --> 19:30.836 We call DEP. We look at the garbage here. 19:30.919 --> 19:33.547 We have people lookin' in garbage cans on the street. 19:34.131 --> 19:38.260 You're doing everything to get as much information as possible. 19:40.971 --> 19:44.600 [McNeely] There had been a camera installed in the staircase. 19:45.517 --> 19:47.269 That night, they discovered that. 19:50.105 --> 19:52.941 The surveillance video depicted two male Blacks. 19:53.025 --> 19:57.070 One had dreads and a hoodie, and the other one had shorter hair. 19:58.488 --> 20:00.741 [Wagner] In my history, 20:00.824 --> 20:04.244 in the hundreds of homicides I worked on, 20:04.328 --> 20:09.166 only one other than this had video in it. 20:10.167 --> 20:13.086 So I was surprised when I saw the tape. 20:13.587 --> 20:17.216 I was like, "Whoa. This is… This is very good." 20:17.299 --> 20:19.384 We knew those people were suspects, 20:19.468 --> 20:22.304 people we wanted to get into contact with and speak to. 20:28.602 --> 20:30.687 [Rivera] This case happened at 7:30 p.m. 20:31.188 --> 20:34.107 We worked around the clock in the same place. 20:34.191 --> 20:36.485 In Jennifer's apartment, there was an answering machine. 20:36.568 --> 20:38.779 It was blinking. We hit play. 20:39.988 --> 20:43.325 Her friend was asking is she okay. 20:43.408 --> 20:46.828 She hadn't heard from her and was wondering where she was. 20:46.912 --> 20:51.708 I had called Jennifer's house while the murders were happening. 20:52.334 --> 20:54.586 [Rivera] Based on that, we needed to interview her friend, 20:54.670 --> 20:56.755 find out why she was worried about her. 20:56.838 --> 20:59.758 Why was she concerned that Jennifer wasn't answering her phone? 20:59.841 --> 21:01.843 [tense, arresting music playing] 21:06.181 --> 21:08.642 [Coleman] The morning of May 11, 21:09.476 --> 21:12.938 homicide detectives walked into my house. 21:13.522 --> 21:17.401 They looked like they were off of a set of NYPD Blue. 21:17.985 --> 21:22.030 And they asked me questions about her business. 21:22.614 --> 21:26.076 I said to them, "It was a place to gather." 21:26.576 --> 21:30.622 It was just, like, friends hanging out, and people smoking, talking. 21:30.706 --> 21:33.625 So they were people that you met in passing, 21:33.709 --> 21:35.961 but we didn't necessarily become friends. 21:36.545 --> 21:40.882 Jennifer sold weed to support her artwork. 21:40.966 --> 21:44.052 We learned that she was an actress that was in Dirty Dancing. 21:45.804 --> 21:51.184 But music was more of an interest to her at that point than dancing and acting was. 21:51.268 --> 21:52.978 [Stahl singing] ♪ Ganja woman ♪ 21:53.061 --> 21:56.898 [Cramer] Her recording studio was the room that she dealt pot out of. 21:56.982 --> 22:00.319 She did also love to bring friends in and record with them too. 22:01.153 --> 22:04.197 [Coleman] People that came in and out of Jennifer's apartment 22:04.281 --> 22:06.074 were Jennifer's friends. 22:06.658 --> 22:08.076 [Cramer] It was just getting busier. 22:08.160 --> 22:11.621 I think it seemed chaotic to her sometimes, hard to manage. 22:11.705 --> 22:12.998 Her buzzer going off. 22:13.081 --> 22:17.711 Occasionally, she would have a friend there who would help manage the door. 22:17.794 --> 22:19.379 [low, somber music playing] 22:19.463 --> 22:22.007 [Coleman] Stephen was there working that night, 22:22.090 --> 22:23.925 answering the door for her. 22:28.597 --> 22:32.893 She was basically dealing to her friends and people that she knew in the industry. 22:32.976 --> 22:34.853 She dealt with some famous people. 22:34.936 --> 22:37.272 Saturday Night Live cast, things like that. 22:37.356 --> 22:39.608 Her clientele was, like, well-vetted. 22:39.691 --> 22:41.401 She had to know you. 22:41.485 --> 22:43.445 If you said, "So-and-so sent me," 22:43.528 --> 22:46.448 I don't think you're getting buzzed up into Jennifer's apartment. She was… 22:46.531 --> 22:48.033 She was ultra careful. 22:48.116 --> 22:51.787 [Coleman] This was very hard for us as her friends, 22:51.870 --> 22:56.666 because if they wanted something from Jen, 22:56.750 --> 22:59.086 she would have given it to them. 22:59.169 --> 23:03.548 There was no reason to shoot five people. 23:03.632 --> 23:05.634 [somber, pensive music playing] 23:06.718 --> 23:12.307 [Coleman] I saw Jen just a few days before her murder, 23:13.308 --> 23:15.435 and she was quite upset. 23:16.019 --> 23:19.481 Jennifer had been fighting with her boyfriend. 23:19.564 --> 23:22.776 I believe she was trying to leave, and he grabbed her hand, 23:22.859 --> 23:25.153 and so her finger got broken. 23:28.198 --> 23:33.412 One of the suspects was the Black man with long dreads. 23:35.539 --> 23:41.378 I felt very certain that her boyfriend had killed her, 23:42.754 --> 23:45.632 because he fit that description. 23:47.175 --> 23:51.346 With the information we got from Barbara, we got Jennifer Stahl's boyfriend's name, 23:52.431 --> 23:54.141 and then we had to go interview him. 23:54.641 --> 23:56.726 There's some domestic issues going on there. 23:56.810 --> 24:00.147 We had to make sure he was not involved in this homicide. 24:01.356 --> 24:03.775 [Veader] I was positive it wasn't her boyfriend. 24:03.859 --> 24:05.652 I didn't think it looked like him. 24:05.735 --> 24:08.405 I had met him, and he was always very nice to me, 24:08.488 --> 24:11.741 and I don't think that he would do something like that. 24:11.825 --> 24:13.827 [tense, intriguing music pulsing] 24:14.369 --> 24:16.580 We interviewed Jennifer Stahl's boyfriend, 24:16.663 --> 24:19.666 but he was ruled out based on information he gave us 24:19.749 --> 24:21.960 as to where he was, what he was doing. 24:22.043 --> 24:24.379 We knew he was not the perpetrator. 24:24.463 --> 24:26.047 When he called me, 24:27.299 --> 24:29.259 he said, "I had to get a lawyer." 24:29.342 --> 24:31.720 "Everybody thought it was me." 24:32.345 --> 24:34.598 I said, "Yes, I thought it was you." 24:35.515 --> 24:40.187 And he said to me, "How could you have thought it was me?" 24:40.270 --> 24:42.147 "I loved her!" 24:44.107 --> 24:46.067 I said, "You guys were fighting." 24:46.151 --> 24:47.652 "She had a broken finger, 24:47.736 --> 24:50.864 and they said a Black man with long dreads left the scene." 24:51.531 --> 24:53.366 I said, "Who was I to think?" 24:53.867 --> 24:56.119 He said, "How could you think I would hurt her?" 24:58.205 --> 25:00.081 I apologized to him. 25:01.917 --> 25:03.919 [mysterious, puzzling music playing] 25:06.588 --> 25:09.090 [Veader] After I was released from the hospital, 25:09.174 --> 25:12.969 the detectives told me that Rosemond's gonna be in there a lot longer, 25:13.053 --> 25:15.347 and that the bullet lodged in her jaw. 25:16.598 --> 25:17.849 We didn't know each other. 25:17.933 --> 25:22.395 We just were both the victims of an awful circumstance. 25:22.479 --> 25:24.231 Her more so than me. 25:24.314 --> 25:27.025 I mean, she lost her, you know… 25:28.485 --> 25:30.195 her other half, so… 25:31.154 --> 25:32.322 Um… 25:32.405 --> 25:33.907 I can't even imagine. 25:38.078 --> 25:39.287 [lawyer] As the prosecutor, 25:40.413 --> 25:45.669 I have to extract as much information as I can as quickly as I can, 25:46.253 --> 25:49.756 but also be mindful of the fact that this is traumatic 25:49.839 --> 25:53.552 to talk in detail about something that they just want to forget. 25:56.221 --> 25:59.516 I remember speaking to Rosemond two days later. 26:02.811 --> 26:06.356 Rosemond was describing how the sound of the gunshots 26:06.439 --> 26:08.733 were coming closer and closer to her, 26:08.817 --> 26:11.987 and she was next in line. 26:12.070 --> 26:18.702 She heard the shot that killed her fiancé, Charles Helliwell. 26:19.661 --> 26:23.623 I can't imagine laying there, hearing the shots go off, 26:23.707 --> 26:25.458 and knowing that you're next. 26:26.793 --> 26:28.795 [Nuzzi] If it was the last thing she was gonna do, 26:28.878 --> 26:32.507 she was gonna turn around and see the person who killed her, 26:32.591 --> 26:35.802 and she moved and turned her head 26:35.885 --> 26:38.221 at the last moment before she was shot. 26:38.305 --> 26:40.807 That might very well have saved her life. 26:44.978 --> 26:50.942 Rosemond said that the initial buzzer ring was answered by Stephen King. 26:51.026 --> 26:56.656 And she heard Stephen King say, "It's Sean," to Jennifer. 26:56.740 --> 26:59.034 And Jennifer said, "Okay. Let him up." 27:00.702 --> 27:05.498 And so it was at that point that we had initially the name "Sean." 27:05.582 --> 27:06.833 We didn't have a last name, 27:06.916 --> 27:10.211 but we had at least a first name for one of the two people. 27:13.381 --> 27:15.383 [enigmatic music playing] 27:19.512 --> 27:21.848 [Parrino] The two main leads we had 27:21.931 --> 27:25.101 were the fact that there was a name of "Sean," 27:25.185 --> 27:28.313 and the fact that there was a video. 27:28.396 --> 27:30.732 Those were the two main things we had to go on. 27:30.815 --> 27:33.651 I know that there's a number of prints that are removed, 27:33.735 --> 27:36.571 but we don't know the value, or whether it's gonna lead us to anything, 27:36.655 --> 27:39.366 or whether it was the police commissioner's. 27:40.158 --> 27:42.786 [McNeely] They interviewed people that purchased weed from her, 27:42.869 --> 27:43.870 were friends with her. 27:43.953 --> 27:46.206 They were trying to run down whatever leads they could 27:46.289 --> 27:47.624 and make connections. 27:47.707 --> 27:50.627 It could be somebody that knows 'em and knows the person "Sean." 27:51.628 --> 27:54.464 [Cramer] When I saw the footage, I didn't recognize Sean. 27:54.547 --> 27:59.094 I… I really didn't know who it could have been. 27:59.678 --> 28:02.097 [Parrino] When we were searching the apartment and crime scene, 28:02.180 --> 28:04.974 after the initial forensic collection is made, 28:05.058 --> 28:07.602 then you go back in looking for leads. 28:07.686 --> 28:09.646 Things that aren't forensically connected, 28:09.729 --> 28:12.023 pieces of paper, photographs, this kind of thing. 28:12.107 --> 28:16.403 And we found a résumé which gave us the first steps to a "Sean." 28:16.486 --> 28:18.238 Apparently, he was a roadie 28:18.321 --> 28:21.199 for George Clinton and the Parliament-Funkadelic. 28:22.242 --> 28:27.122 Jen always tried to connect people to create things. 28:27.706 --> 28:30.291 That was really a big part of what she did. 28:31.334 --> 28:33.294 [erratic, unsettling music playing] 28:33.378 --> 28:37.590 They went to the address that Sean Salley had listed on his résumé, 28:37.674 --> 28:41.052 and he wasn't living there. He had left that place. 28:43.138 --> 28:45.932 [Parrino] We were concentrating on Sean, 28:46.933 --> 28:50.061 and we ended up with numerous addresses in New Jersey. 28:55.984 --> 29:00.739 Detectives had contacted every single person, just about, 29:00.822 --> 29:02.323 in his life that he knew. 29:03.032 --> 29:08.121 One of those individuals viewed the videotape from the Carnegie Deli 29:08.204 --> 29:10.165 and recognized Sean Salley. 29:12.459 --> 29:16.754 Significantly, they knew the second person who we were trying to identify. 29:16.838 --> 29:19.007 They knew his nickname was "Dre." 29:20.216 --> 29:22.260 So they started to run him down. 29:22.343 --> 29:25.472 We're going to different homes, interviewin' people. 29:25.555 --> 29:30.143 And we go to… And I recall it as his girlfriend's home. 29:31.060 --> 29:33.646 [Nuzzi] She knew someone named Dre, 29:33.730 --> 29:37.358 her boyfriend/common-law husband, Andre. 29:38.276 --> 29:40.111 [Parrino] Andre wasn't there. 29:40.612 --> 29:44.324 I was the only one who had business cards. I think that's why my card gets left. 29:44.407 --> 29:46.409 [foreboding music playing] 29:56.669 --> 29:58.880 [Parrino] Sunday morning, the 20th… 29:59.839 --> 30:01.341 [ringing] 30:01.424 --> 30:03.718 [Parrino] We get a phone call at the office. 30:03.802 --> 30:05.094 It… It's Andre. 30:06.721 --> 30:08.890 And he's willing to talk to us. 30:09.933 --> 30:13.645 Andre Smith showed up, ironically, in a red car 30:13.728 --> 30:18.817 that fit the description of the car that a witness saw driving away 30:18.900 --> 30:21.736 in close proximity to where the murders occurred. 30:22.403 --> 30:23.988 When Andre Smith came in, 30:24.072 --> 30:26.616 we asked him if he can give a set of prints, 30:26.699 --> 30:29.327 which he agreed to, and they took his prints. 30:29.410 --> 30:33.164 [Parrino] I can only assume he thought he was gonna be smart enough 30:33.248 --> 30:35.917 to keep us at bay and never get trapped into anything, 30:36.000 --> 30:37.669 but totally show cooperation. 30:37.752 --> 30:39.587 I'm assuming that was his goal. 30:39.671 --> 30:42.674 The two people who spoke to him had him in the room for a long time. 30:42.757 --> 30:44.884 These are senior detectives, senior to us. 30:45.843 --> 30:48.263 They continued speaking to him for hours. 30:48.346 --> 30:53.059 Then when they weren't getting anywhere, then the next team comes in. 30:53.142 --> 30:54.978 Fresh people who'd slept all night. 30:55.645 --> 31:00.024 [Parrino] It's kinda like this endless supply of pinch hitters 31:00.525 --> 31:04.070 until you find the pinch hitter that makes the connection, 31:04.153 --> 31:05.238 then you run with it. 31:06.656 --> 31:09.951 Billy and Tommy Bidell go in there and start trying to talk to him. 31:11.744 --> 31:15.540 [McNeely] He denied being in Manhattan, denied being at the scene, 31:15.623 --> 31:19.085 denied having any knowledge of who Sean Salley was. 31:19.168 --> 31:23.089 I showed him still photos of the video surveillance tape. 31:23.172 --> 31:27.427 And Andre Smith's face is right there for him to see. 31:27.510 --> 31:29.220 And, "Nope." He denied it. 31:29.304 --> 31:31.306 He was like that… 31:31.389 --> 31:34.475 What was that song? That Shaggy song. "It Wasn't Me." 31:34.559 --> 31:37.812 He does a very good job at denying it, but keeps on talking… 31:38.479 --> 31:40.148 And, you know, there's always… 31:40.231 --> 31:42.859 Detectives always joke about the "levels of denial." 31:42.942 --> 31:45.486 "I don't know what you're talking about. I wasn't there." 31:45.570 --> 31:47.864 "I know what you're talking about. I wasn't there." 31:47.947 --> 31:49.949 "I was there, but I didn't do it." 31:50.033 --> 31:53.161 To eventually, "I was there, and I did it." 31:53.244 --> 31:56.581 So we're walkin' him through those levels of denial. 31:56.664 --> 31:58.291 There comes a point in time 31:58.374 --> 32:04.631 where we are able to match his prints while he's in there to the duct tape. 32:04.714 --> 32:07.133 And that becomes extremely important, 32:07.216 --> 32:10.803 because up to that point, we're pretty sure he's in there. 32:10.887 --> 32:14.140 We feel very strongly he's involved, 32:14.223 --> 32:18.811 but you don't have physical evidence that puts him on the scene at the time. 32:18.895 --> 32:23.232 It's a tremendous confidence builder for the interrogators 32:23.316 --> 32:25.318 that they're in the right place. 32:25.401 --> 32:28.529 And now they could probably push a little harder 32:29.030 --> 32:31.157 because they know he was there 32:31.240 --> 32:35.203 as opposed to pushing him to a place they don't know the answer to. 32:35.703 --> 32:37.288 We had been in there several hours. 32:37.372 --> 32:40.500 We approached it from different angles 'cause he was not moving. 32:42.001 --> 32:43.628 This guy was tough enough. 32:43.711 --> 32:46.506 We know six detectives spoke to him and basically told him, 32:46.589 --> 32:50.510 "We have you red-handed," and he still fuckin' denied it, you know? 32:52.887 --> 32:56.808 Tom Bidell and I are talkin' and trying to figure out another strategy. 32:58.059 --> 32:59.644 And Irma came into the room. 32:59.727 --> 33:02.689 She said, "Would you guys mind if I went in and talked to him 33:02.772 --> 33:04.273 just now while he's eating?" 33:04.941 --> 33:08.861 I was like, "No, Irma. Have at it." Fresh face, that's my thinking. 33:08.945 --> 33:12.365 Anything just to, you know, change up what's been going on. 33:12.448 --> 33:14.450 [tense, erratic music playing] 33:15.576 --> 33:18.121 "Let a female go in there. See if you can soften him up." 33:20.790 --> 33:22.375 I don't know Andre Smith. 33:22.458 --> 33:24.460 I don't know who the person is I'm interviewing 33:24.544 --> 33:25.837 till I sit in front of them. 33:26.713 --> 33:30.299 Then I can more or less read them. I can read what they're like. 33:30.383 --> 33:32.135 You know, what triggers them. 33:32.218 --> 33:34.137 I go, "You remind me of my brother, Ruben." 33:34.220 --> 33:37.056 'Cause he did. He reminded me of my brother Ruben a bit. 33:37.140 --> 33:40.309 I'll talk to perpetrators more on a personal level, 33:40.393 --> 33:42.770 and then go into an interrogation. 33:44.105 --> 33:45.273 And it works for me, 33:45.356 --> 33:47.775 'cause I make them feel comfortable with me. 33:48.401 --> 33:49.652 But I've had prisoners who said, 33:49.736 --> 33:53.364 "That Rivera smiled in my face and stabbed me in the back." You know. 33:54.323 --> 33:57.577 [Parrino] Irma has this ability to read the suspect 33:57.660 --> 34:01.831 and figure out where it is that she has to make her connection 34:01.914 --> 34:05.793 so that she can continue and get the answers that she needs. 34:05.877 --> 34:08.963 I don't care if you're wearing a $5,000 suit, 34:09.047 --> 34:13.217 or if you're, uh, homeless wearing a pair of sweatpants and dirty sneakers. 34:13.301 --> 34:16.304 It doesn't make a difference to me. I treat everybody with respect. 34:16.387 --> 34:18.056 Everybody who's bad, 34:18.139 --> 34:20.850 there's still something good in them, no matter what. 34:21.601 --> 34:25.229 You gotta find that good spot in them when you interview them. 34:25.313 --> 34:27.440 "How did you grow up?" "I grew up the same way." 34:27.523 --> 34:31.152 I didn't have toys when I was a kid. I didn't have Christmas sometimes. 34:31.235 --> 34:32.779 We didn't have food sometimes. 34:32.862 --> 34:36.074 I grew up in a housing project, so I can relate to them. 34:38.659 --> 34:41.579 Andre Smith was very polite. 34:41.662 --> 34:43.039 He was kinda soft-spoken. 34:44.373 --> 34:45.958 He said he has a baby. 34:46.834 --> 34:50.421 "Oh, you have a baby?" I know that's gonna bring something soft in him. 34:53.299 --> 34:54.175 I use that. 34:56.385 --> 34:59.347 [McNeely] All of a sudden, I just noticed these inflections. 34:59.430 --> 35:01.432 He picked his head up. 35:01.516 --> 35:04.060 He was engaged. He was listening to her. 35:04.143 --> 35:07.230 You could see his eyes kinda brightened up a bit. 35:08.106 --> 35:10.024 She hit something. Like a nerve. 35:14.195 --> 35:17.990 He told me he did it 'cause he needed to get diapers for his kid. 35:18.491 --> 35:20.576 That's when I thought he was ready. 35:20.660 --> 35:24.080 I said, "They're gonna come back in. They're great guys. They're my friends." 35:24.163 --> 35:26.082 "You can talk to them. You can trust them." 35:26.165 --> 35:28.167 [tense music playing] 35:29.210 --> 35:30.920 [McNeely] Irma gave us the signal. 35:31.504 --> 35:34.382 I had to turn around. I interrupted Tommy Bidell 35:34.465 --> 35:37.218 'cause he was eatin' a fuckin' Suzy Q and drinkin' a Yoo-hoo, 35:37.301 --> 35:40.054 which was his dinner of choice, usually. 35:40.138 --> 35:42.348 I was like, "Hey, shithead, let's go." 35:42.431 --> 35:44.392 "Dump that Suzy Q. Let's get back in." 35:44.475 --> 35:46.978 "This guy's changing up. Let's go and take a hit." 35:47.061 --> 35:50.398 This is an interrogation by a team at its best. 35:51.315 --> 35:55.194 Irma gets this real personal connection where he's ready to go. 35:55.278 --> 35:58.156 It's that tipping point where they're done with the denial 35:58.239 --> 36:02.326 and they're ready to… and they're ready to vomit information. 36:05.204 --> 36:07.790 He's nodding his head when I'm asking him questions. 36:07.874 --> 36:10.168 We were able to get Andre to speak. 36:10.251 --> 36:14.422 And he said he met Sean Salley in Newark through a mutual friend. 36:14.505 --> 36:17.300 Sean Salley was saying how he was down on his luck, 36:17.383 --> 36:18.217 didn't have money, 36:18.301 --> 36:22.972 and brought about this plan to… to rob a weed spot in Manhattan. 36:23.556 --> 36:27.435 Then finally Andre Smith gave an account, anyway, of the murders. 36:27.518 --> 36:30.146 He intended to go in, rob the weed, rob the money. 36:31.063 --> 36:33.274 And he said, "I even told the girl 36:33.357 --> 36:35.818 when she said, 'Don't hurt me. Don't hurt my friends.'" 36:35.902 --> 36:38.613 He said, "I told her that's not what I'm here for." 36:38.696 --> 36:41.115 She was bagging up the money and the weed for him. 36:41.199 --> 36:44.911 He looked out. Salley was struggling to get everybody taped up. 36:44.994 --> 36:47.788 So he went out and said, "Here, you stay with her." 36:48.372 --> 36:49.582 Started to tape everybody, 36:49.665 --> 36:54.003 and then he said, "This guy started shootin' everybody." 36:54.587 --> 36:55.588 [gunshot] 36:55.671 --> 36:57.673 [low, ominous music playing] 37:00.092 --> 37:03.179 [Parrino] Once we were into the written statement 37:03.262 --> 37:05.431 for the confession of Andre Smith, 37:05.514 --> 37:08.809 I get wind that the police commissioner took exception 37:08.893 --> 37:12.855 to me, uh, correcting his photographer. 37:13.356 --> 37:17.693 He also took exception to me showing up in shorts and a T-shirt. 37:18.694 --> 37:19.904 Within a day or two, 37:19.987 --> 37:23.449 I'm removed from the case by the police commissioner. 37:23.950 --> 37:27.995 I'm transferred to the 2-5 Precinct in Harlem 37:28.079 --> 37:30.122 and to the detective squad there. 37:31.499 --> 37:35.169 Irma goes, "Take his name and put it on a piece of paper." 37:35.252 --> 37:37.255 "Put that piece of paper in your shoe, 37:37.338 --> 37:40.633 step on him every day for ten days, and it's all gonna work out." 37:42.760 --> 37:45.846 This was my father's mother. She was into Santería. 37:45.930 --> 37:47.682 She believed so much in that. 37:47.765 --> 37:50.559 She taught me, when anybody does anything wrong to you, 37:50.643 --> 37:52.937 take a piece of paper, put their name in it… 37:53.020 --> 37:54.897 I know you're all gonna be doing this now. 37:54.981 --> 37:58.359 You take their name, put that in your shoe and you walk on them. 37:58.442 --> 38:01.862 You walk on them and tell them you want that person out of your path. 38:03.489 --> 38:06.617 [Parrino] So it is hard to walk away because you kinda own it. 38:06.701 --> 38:10.496 But I can't be givin' my thoughts or directions to the detectives 38:10.579 --> 38:12.039 and undermining the new boss. 38:12.123 --> 38:14.250 Because now somebody else is responsible. 38:14.333 --> 38:17.211 If they call you up and ask for your advice, that's great. 38:17.295 --> 38:20.464 But you don't go callin' them, offering advice, right? 38:20.548 --> 38:22.633 And it's difficult for them too now 38:22.717 --> 38:25.469 because they know the police commissioner's mad at you. 38:25.970 --> 38:27.972 They're not interested in talking to you 38:28.055 --> 38:29.974 because they don't want your stink on them. 38:30.057 --> 38:32.059 So, um… 38:33.019 --> 38:37.356 I forced myself to completely remove myself from the case. 38:37.440 --> 38:40.026 I don't even think I followed it too much in the media afterwards. 38:52.538 --> 38:59.045 They killed three people, shot two execution-style, for $2,800. 38:59.128 --> 39:03.007 The New York City Police Department has in custody Mr. Andre Smith. 39:04.300 --> 39:07.928 To the second suspect responsible for these heinous crimes, 39:08.012 --> 39:11.849 who detectives have identified as Sean Salley, 39:11.932 --> 39:15.186 make no mistake that the New York City Police Department 39:15.269 --> 39:18.856 will be relentless until he is in our custody 39:18.939 --> 39:20.775 alongside his accomplice. 39:21.275 --> 39:24.570 My suggestion is that he follow Andre Smith's lead 39:24.653 --> 39:27.615 and turn himself in at the nearest police station. 39:29.533 --> 39:33.788 [Nuzzi] Andre Smith said that he left the apartment with Sean Salley. 39:33.871 --> 39:35.331 They went back to Newark, 39:35.414 --> 39:38.501 and that was the last time he saw Sean Salley. 39:39.919 --> 39:41.879 [Rivera] We have to continue looking for Salley. 39:41.962 --> 39:44.298 We gotta get a phone number, find out who he's calling, 39:44.382 --> 39:45.800 and then track the phone. 39:47.259 --> 39:50.221 So what we were doing is we were tracking the cell sites. 39:51.055 --> 39:53.140 He had stopped in Louisiana. 39:54.558 --> 39:55.976 [McNeely] We had a team of people, 39:56.060 --> 39:59.105 of detectives and sergeant, down in New Orleans. 39:59.188 --> 40:01.732 Salley, he just seemed to be one step ahead. 40:02.566 --> 40:05.444 At that point, you just keep continuing, 40:05.528 --> 40:08.614 see if you can get phone information, but he got rid of his phone. 40:08.697 --> 40:11.242 We had run out of investigative leads. 40:12.785 --> 40:16.664 We're still pursuing it, but now it's, like, two months. 40:16.747 --> 40:18.791 You know, the case goes cold. 40:20.000 --> 40:23.087 We applied to have the case put on America's Most Wanted. 40:24.088 --> 40:27.091 [Nuzzi] On July 14th, America's Most Wanted 40:27.174 --> 40:30.970 aired the Sean Salley, Carnegie Deli homicide case 40:31.053 --> 40:33.347 in an effort to get some leads. 40:33.431 --> 40:35.224 It's a national show. 40:35.808 --> 40:37.935 So it covers a tremendous amount of ground 40:38.018 --> 40:40.187 and you've alerted the American public. 40:40.271 --> 40:43.107 [multiple phones ringing] 40:43.190 --> 40:45.943 [Coleman] God bless America, that's what I want to say, 40:46.026 --> 40:49.405 because 20 minutes after that aired, 40:49.488 --> 40:51.407 people started calling in. 40:51.490 --> 40:54.160 [phones ringing] 40:54.243 --> 40:58.080 Someone in Florida recognized him and notified us. 40:58.164 --> 41:03.043 And he was thought to be at a homeless shelter in Miami. 41:03.127 --> 41:04.753 [suspenseful music pulsing] 41:06.213 --> 41:08.340 Miami gets contacted right away. 41:08.424 --> 41:11.218 And they're like, "Hey, you need to go get this guy." 41:11.302 --> 41:13.012 A detective from Miami 41:13.095 --> 41:16.891 was interviewing people at that homeless shelter. 41:17.975 --> 41:22.855 Sean Salley walked into the lobby, and he bolted. 41:22.938 --> 41:28.068 The dogs tracked him down and cornered him in someone's backyard. 41:31.614 --> 41:33.616 [thoughtful, somber music playing] 41:35.868 --> 41:38.871 [spokesperson] He was captured by a City of Miami K9 officer. 41:38.954 --> 41:42.666 He did suffer a bite, a dog bite, to the left forearm, 41:42.750 --> 41:45.669 but he was treated on the scene, and we do have him in custody. 41:45.753 --> 41:48.714 He's facing three charges of first-degree murder 41:48.797 --> 41:51.884 and one charge of resisting arrest without violence. 41:54.678 --> 41:56.722 Before they caught him, I was just like… 41:56.805 --> 42:00.309 Every creak that I heard, I couldn't sleep through the night. 42:01.435 --> 42:03.395 I just thought somebody was coming in. 42:05.481 --> 42:07.274 Once both of them were caught, 42:08.526 --> 42:10.945 it was relief. 42:22.081 --> 42:25.292 [Rivera] The chief of detectives, borough of Manhattan, at that time 42:25.376 --> 42:29.380 told me to go to Florida and do the interrogation on Sean Salley. 42:33.050 --> 42:35.886 I really feel that sometimes when people are on the run, 42:35.970 --> 42:37.972 it's kinda like a relief to get caught. 42:38.472 --> 42:42.810 He seemed like he was a bit relieved that he was caught at that point. 42:42.893 --> 42:45.396 So I interviewed him. I asked him what happened. 42:45.479 --> 42:46.897 He kinda just gave it up. 42:47.648 --> 42:50.859 [Nuzzi] They had gotten oral and written statements from him 42:50.943 --> 42:53.028 where he admitted killing Jennifer. 42:53.112 --> 42:55.739 Although he said the gun went off and it was an accident. 42:55.823 --> 43:00.828 And he, um, put the rest of the blame on Andre Smith 43:00.911 --> 43:03.497 for the people in the living room. 43:03.580 --> 43:06.166 The fact that he admitted pulling the trigger, 43:06.250 --> 43:10.587 accidentally or not, to killing, uh, Jennifer Stahl, 43:10.671 --> 43:12.089 was significant. 43:12.172 --> 43:13.257 It was significant 43:13.340 --> 43:17.803 because it doesn't matter in a… in a prosecution for felony murder 43:18.387 --> 43:21.640 whether you intentionally or accidentally kill someone. 43:21.724 --> 43:25.894 In fact, it doesn't even matter whether the person died 43:25.978 --> 43:28.772 because you shot them or someone else shot them. 43:28.856 --> 43:31.942 If you participate in the underlying robbery, 43:32.026 --> 43:36.030 you are responsible under the law for the murders 43:36.113 --> 43:39.074 just as much as the person who pulled the trigger. 43:39.158 --> 43:42.328 [foreboding music playing] 43:42.411 --> 43:44.830 [reporter] Phillip King sat in the second row of the courtroom 43:44.913 --> 43:48.792 for his first face-to-face encounter with Sean Salley, 43:48.876 --> 43:52.421 one of the men who stands accused of murdering King's son, Stephen. 43:52.504 --> 43:55.382 I just kept telling myself, "Restrain yourself." 43:55.466 --> 43:58.927 "Don't jump over the rail and go for him." 43:59.595 --> 44:02.848 I could see it. I could see what that man went through. 44:02.931 --> 44:05.392 I hope that's the relationship I have with my son. 44:05.893 --> 44:07.895 I'm gettin' a little choked up here now. 44:08.687 --> 44:12.900 [shakily] Um, pretty sure I do, and that's the relationship I had with my father. 44:16.195 --> 44:19.406 [Nuzzi] We're busy preparing and trying to get ready for court. 44:19.490 --> 44:21.450 It's a year or two later for you, 44:21.533 --> 44:25.412 but for that mother, or that father, or brother, or sister, 44:25.496 --> 44:27.373 it's like it happened yesterday. 44:31.210 --> 44:33.212 [portentous music pulsing] 44:39.676 --> 44:40.844 [Parrino] It's a Tuesday. 44:41.345 --> 44:44.598 I'm with my children, dropping them off at school. 44:44.682 --> 44:48.644 And I hear that a plane crashed into the World Trade Center. 44:48.727 --> 44:51.188 [explosion rumbling faintly] 44:51.271 --> 44:54.024 I'm in jeans and a… and a T-shirt. 44:54.108 --> 44:57.027 Because of my trouble that I ran into at the Carnegie Deli, 44:57.111 --> 44:58.654 I went home and put a suit on. 44:59.446 --> 45:01.824 I'm assuming that held me up maybe 20 minutes. 45:01.907 --> 45:05.619 I actually hear the second plane hit while I'm in my apartment. 45:05.703 --> 45:06.954 [chilling notes play] 45:07.037 --> 45:08.288 [music halts abruptly] 45:08.372 --> 45:09.456 It was true… 45:09.540 --> 45:12.292 Like, when they say "terror," it was, like, terror. 45:12.376 --> 45:17.131 Everybody was fuckin', like, beyond anxious and frightened. 45:17.214 --> 45:18.799 Everybody that you saw. 45:20.342 --> 45:22.720 It's unbelievable what took place there. 45:22.803 --> 45:26.348 When it all collapsed… You never forget those things. 45:28.434 --> 45:30.436 And I lost some very good friends. 45:31.228 --> 45:33.689 I mean, it's a… it's a hard thing to talk about. 45:36.066 --> 45:38.193 [indistinct radio chatter] 45:38.277 --> 45:39.903 I survived September 11th. 45:40.654 --> 45:45.492 Perhaps that 20-minute change would have put me in a different location 45:45.576 --> 45:47.578 that would have came up with different results. 45:48.412 --> 45:53.459 And I kind of always accredited that lesson with having to put the suit on 45:53.542 --> 45:57.296 and not responding in street attire to saving my life. 46:01.759 --> 46:04.178 People that died that day, God rest their memory, 46:04.261 --> 46:07.389 but it continued to kill people for many years after. 46:07.473 --> 46:11.727 Twenty years later, I'm diagnosed with 9/11-related cancer. 46:12.311 --> 46:15.814 The terrorists that did that got more bang for their buck, so to speak. 46:16.482 --> 46:19.067 [Butcher] I was so wrapped up in 9/11. 46:19.777 --> 46:22.321 My office was turned upside down. 46:22.404 --> 46:25.949 That changed my life so radically. 46:26.033 --> 46:29.244 Changed my work life, my personal life, everything. 46:30.245 --> 46:33.499 [McNeely] We were all involved, all in the same day, all there. 46:33.582 --> 46:35.417 We all felt like it was necessary 46:35.501 --> 46:37.711 to pick each other up and have each other's back. 46:37.795 --> 46:38.921 And we continued to do that. 46:39.004 --> 46:41.965 Then we got back into work and did what we do well. 46:42.049 --> 46:44.176 And then we continued that. 46:52.601 --> 46:54.603 [frantic music pulsing] 46:58.482 --> 47:02.069 [Cramer] The trial was almost a year to the date of the murders. 47:02.152 --> 47:04.404 It was a very unique court case. 47:04.488 --> 47:06.990 I had never seen anything like that before. 47:07.783 --> 47:09.910 They were both on trial at the same time. 47:11.370 --> 47:15.624 They actually had two juries and the two defendants in the courtroom. 47:15.707 --> 47:18.502 The saving grace of doing it this way 47:18.585 --> 47:22.631 was to avoid the surviving victims having to come back 47:22.714 --> 47:27.427 and relive this twice in the two separate trials. 47:27.511 --> 47:29.096 It's traumatic enough once. 47:30.556 --> 47:32.558 [Veader] I don't like to be the center of attention. 47:32.641 --> 47:35.185 Here I am, in a box, telling my story. 47:35.269 --> 47:38.313 I think I focused on my friend Francesca that was sitting there 47:39.231 --> 47:40.274 and went with me. 47:40.357 --> 47:42.609 That kept me a little bit more grounded. 47:43.527 --> 47:45.654 [Nuzzi] The trial was a few weeks long. 47:45.737 --> 47:47.656 There were a lot of witnesses. 47:47.739 --> 47:50.534 [Cramer] I wanted to understand what happened to Jen, 47:50.617 --> 47:53.871 what happened to her friends who she loved so much. 47:53.954 --> 47:57.207 Seeing those crime scene photos was way too much. 47:58.166 --> 47:59.418 The one perpetrator said, 47:59.501 --> 48:03.338 "Oh, when I was with Jennifer, I was guarding her with a gun, 48:03.422 --> 48:06.466 and my hands were shaking, and I was so afraid." 48:06.550 --> 48:09.803 "I just wanted to get out of there. It accidentally went off." 48:11.388 --> 48:12.723 No, it did not. 48:13.265 --> 48:16.810 And the reason we know that is because Jennifer's head wound, 48:16.894 --> 48:20.314 the bullet wound, was a close-contact wound. 48:20.397 --> 48:24.860 So don't tell me you were wiggling and shaking, and it accidentally went off. 48:24.943 --> 48:29.740 No, you held it purposefully with full intent, and you shot it. 48:32.284 --> 48:33.994 The evidence doesn't lie. 48:37.581 --> 48:38.624 People do. 48:39.207 --> 48:40.375 A lot. 48:40.459 --> 48:42.377 [dramatic music playing] 48:46.715 --> 48:49.217 [McNeely] When we heard the verdict for the Carnegie Deli, 48:49.301 --> 48:54.014 it was like, you know, a… a relief and a sense of pride, obviously. 48:54.097 --> 48:57.184 I… I was so happy, because all the effort, 48:57.267 --> 49:00.687 and on behalf of the… the people that had passed away, 49:00.771 --> 49:04.066 and… and, you know, Rosemond, and Anthony that were still living, 49:04.149 --> 49:06.401 and their families, everybody's families. 49:06.485 --> 49:09.905 They finally… Now they had something, a bit of closure. 49:10.822 --> 49:12.449 The sleep was much easier. 49:12.532 --> 49:16.578 To just say, "You'll never see the light of day again." 49:17.079 --> 49:19.081 [somber, thoughtful music playing] 49:21.375 --> 49:24.586 Were people jumping up and down and celebrating? No. 49:24.670 --> 49:26.880 It was sort of a very quiet moment 49:27.589 --> 49:29.257 where I think people just… 49:29.341 --> 49:30.759 Hugging and crying. 49:30.842 --> 49:33.053 -Just like, "Okay." I mean… -Yeah. 49:33.136 --> 49:34.513 Justice has been served. 49:41.687 --> 49:45.399 [Cramer] The passing of Jen, so many of us were affected, 49:45.482 --> 49:47.067 but we didn't know each other. 49:47.150 --> 49:50.028 And then we just eventually all connected. 49:50.529 --> 49:52.864 Every year after that tragedy, 49:52.948 --> 49:56.952 we celebrated Jen's life on her birthday. 49:57.536 --> 49:58.662 General Jen Day. 49:59.788 --> 50:01.498 [Cramer] She was such a good soul. 50:02.708 --> 50:04.084 She really was. 50:07.045 --> 50:09.256 [Parrino] Irma called me and told me about the conviction. 50:09.339 --> 50:12.009 I was very pleased to find out there was a conviction. 50:12.092 --> 50:14.177 But it's, you know… 50:14.261 --> 50:17.180 It's not like winning the World Series or something like that. 50:17.264 --> 50:20.142 You're not elated because someone had to die for this to happen. 50:20.225 --> 50:22.978 It's a very strange… I don't know how to explain the feeling. 50:26.565 --> 50:29.943 [Rivera] When I first became a cop, I started getting panic attacks. 50:30.027 --> 50:33.071 And the first time that I ever experienced one, 50:33.155 --> 50:37.242 I had two dead bodies in one day. I had never been really exposed to death. 50:37.325 --> 50:40.162 Eventually, I learned how to shut my feelings on and off. 50:40.245 --> 50:43.290 I can actually visualize, like, a switch in my head. 50:43.373 --> 50:45.667 Like a light switch. And I can go, "Click." 50:45.751 --> 50:48.170 "On, off. On, off." And I can shut it on and off. 50:49.880 --> 50:51.798 It's not that I don't care. It's that… 50:52.299 --> 50:54.926 You have no control what's gonna happen, so… 50:55.927 --> 50:57.679 you learn to live a day at a time. 50:58.513 --> 51:00.599 That's how I live, a day at a time. 51:03.602 --> 51:06.313 [Butcher] These murders were just senseless. 51:06.396 --> 51:08.607 It brought me back to that first case 51:08.690 --> 51:12.736 where I really understood just how evil people could be. 51:13.403 --> 51:16.615 That was the Michael McMorrow case in 1997. 51:17.783 --> 51:19.159 It was so brutal. 51:21.286 --> 51:22.788 So over the top. 51:23.371 --> 51:26.374 One of the most disturbing crime scenes I ever saw, 51:27.167 --> 51:28.919 and I've seen thousands. 51:29.002 --> 51:31.630 [distorted audio warping] 51:31.713 --> 51:33.715 [train rumbling] 51:39.096 --> 51:41.098 [dramatic music building] 51:42.224 --> 51:43.850 [man] We respond to the location 51:43.934 --> 51:46.645 for a missing person at 115 Central Park West. 51:47.771 --> 51:49.606 It's a very affluent building. 51:50.357 --> 51:54.444 We see a young girl, young boy in a bathtub, 51:54.528 --> 51:56.696 in water, washing each other off. 51:57.405 --> 52:00.659 As awkward as that scene must have been, 52:01.409 --> 52:03.411 he noticed that there was some blood. 52:04.037 --> 52:06.623 [man] And she said, "There's a body in the lake." 52:06.706 --> 52:09.334 Body in the lake. Really? What's the chances of that? 52:10.210 --> 52:12.921 [reporter] The body of 44-year-old Michael McMorrow 52:13.004 --> 52:15.924 was pulled from a lake in New York's Central Park. 52:16.007 --> 52:20.136 The victim had been stabbed 30 times, slit open, and disemboweled. 52:20.220 --> 52:24.099 Why would someone want to destroy him like this? 52:24.182 --> 52:26.434 Why? Why? Why? 52:27.185 --> 52:29.187 [siren wailing] 52:31.231 --> 52:33.233 [intriguing outro music playing] him like this?