WEBVTT 00:06.631 --> 00:08.133 [ambient traffic sounds] 00:11.302 --> 00:13.304 [helicopter blades whirring] 00:26.735 --> 00:29.320 [vehicle accelerating] 00:37.495 --> 00:39.497 [mysterious music playing] 00:43.126 --> 00:45.962 [Spector] You have me locked up like some goddamn fucking turd. 00:46.629 --> 00:49.758 You have me jerking around when somebody comes over to my house 00:49.841 --> 00:51.843 and then blows her fucking head open. 00:52.469 --> 00:54.137 Then you people come around, 00:54.220 --> 00:57.223 and arrest me, bang the shit out of my fucking ass, 00:57.307 --> 00:59.392 and beat the shit out of me. 00:59.476 --> 01:02.979 I'm gonna make you fucking people pay for this. This is bullshit. 01:03.062 --> 01:04.689 [cryptic music playing] 01:04.773 --> 01:09.319 Waiting at the Alhambra Police Department in custody was Phil Spector. 01:11.196 --> 01:13.448 [man 1] I knew from the phone call from my lieutenant 01:13.531 --> 01:15.992 that he was a very wealthy music producer. 01:16.534 --> 01:18.828 Me, personally, I'd never heard of him. 01:19.662 --> 01:22.082 [reporter] Spector's style is often credited 01:22.165 --> 01:24.250 with changing how we hear pop music. 01:25.919 --> 01:29.339 This case was going to be what I call "red ball," 01:29.422 --> 01:32.258 a case that's gonna draw a lot of attention. 01:32.342 --> 01:34.469 And you have to recognize that going in. 01:34.552 --> 01:35.970 And I think we all did. 01:37.889 --> 01:39.641 [suspenseful music playing] 01:39.724 --> 01:44.312 [man 2] The LA County Sheriff's Department is the best of the best. 01:48.358 --> 01:51.528 [man 3] Some of the highest-profile cases are tried in Los Angeles. 01:54.405 --> 01:57.784 [woman 1] You have to be dedicated 110%. 02:00.411 --> 02:03.331 [man 4] This is murder. There's no more serious crime. 02:05.416 --> 02:10.338 [man 5] It boils down to a passion and a sense of duty. 02:12.674 --> 02:14.968 Justice comes from finding the truth. 02:15.760 --> 02:17.762 [suspenseful music trailing off] 02:20.348 --> 02:22.350 [tense, quizzical music playing] 02:27.313 --> 02:30.942 [man] There's something special and different about celebrity cases. 02:31.985 --> 02:33.987 And it's always been Los Angeles 02:34.070 --> 02:36.573 that seems to be the epicenter of those cases. 02:36.656 --> 02:39.617 Everybody thinks of Los Angeles and they think of Hollywood. 02:39.701 --> 02:42.370 Hollywood and actors and directors and producers. 02:42.453 --> 02:44.789 There's so much more to it than that. 02:44.873 --> 02:49.294 However, that is sort of the… the heartbeat of this city. 02:50.753 --> 02:52.046 LA is a funny place, 02:52.130 --> 02:55.925 and the LA County sheriffs serve the entire county, 02:56.009 --> 02:59.804 from the worst poverty imaginable in America 02:59.888 --> 03:01.806 to the greatest wealth in America, 03:01.890 --> 03:04.642 to $100 million oceanfront estates. 03:05.143 --> 03:06.769 We police all of that. 03:07.353 --> 03:08.813 So it's quite a variety. 03:18.990 --> 03:21.159 [man 2] My ultimate goal was Homicide. 03:21.951 --> 03:25.288 And I was fortunate enough in 1999 to make it. 03:26.873 --> 03:31.336 At the time, my children were seven and nine. 03:32.170 --> 03:35.381 People were saying they're too young, 03:35.465 --> 03:38.593 because it's a lot of hours and there's always something to do, 03:39.719 --> 03:42.472 but we worked around our family life. 03:42.972 --> 03:48.019 If that meant we're going in the office at ten o'clock at night to get it done, 03:48.519 --> 03:49.646 that's what we were gonna do. 03:49.729 --> 03:51.356 [tense, cryptic music playing] 03:51.439 --> 03:54.442 My partner Paul Fornier and I were about to get off call 03:54.525 --> 03:56.611 when we received a message from the desk 03:56.694 --> 04:00.406 that we were being assigned a case in a mansion in Alhambra. 04:00.490 --> 04:03.034 [tense, dramatic music playing] 04:03.952 --> 04:07.413 And the only information we had… That a woman was found dead, 04:07.497 --> 04:09.707 and a music producer was involved. 04:13.461 --> 04:17.674 I was a bit surprised that there was this large palatial property there 04:17.757 --> 04:19.300 in this kind of small town 04:19.384 --> 04:22.387 that's really just a suburb of downtown Los Angeles. 04:23.513 --> 04:25.390 [Tomlin] Alhambra is a sleepy hollow. 04:25.890 --> 04:28.768 It's middle-class, single-family residence. 04:28.851 --> 04:32.563 And now you have this monstrosity, if you will, in the middle of nowhere. 04:32.647 --> 04:34.649 [taut, suspenseful music playing] 04:35.275 --> 04:40.280 So as we got closer, we saw a large crowd behind yellow crime scene tape. 04:40.989 --> 04:43.992 And I remember Paul said, "Put on your big-boy pants." 04:46.160 --> 04:49.539 A female had been shot inside of the residence. 04:49.622 --> 04:52.208 The victim has been pronounced dead at the location. 04:52.292 --> 04:53.293 [siren wailing] 04:57.046 --> 04:59.882 When I got there, it was an absolute zoo. 04:59.966 --> 05:04.470 The news copters were up above and news vans up and down the street. 05:05.096 --> 05:07.098 [suspenseful music playing] 05:11.894 --> 05:13.396 [Tomlin] When we arrived on scene, 05:13.479 --> 05:15.732 we first talked to Alhambra police officers. 05:15.815 --> 05:17.400 Let me explain how it works. 05:18.318 --> 05:22.447 The sheriff's department covers a large area of LA County. 05:22.530 --> 05:25.742 And in that county, you have smaller municipalities. 05:25.825 --> 05:27.577 They have their own police department. 05:27.660 --> 05:30.830 However, they don't have the resources that the sheriff's department has. 05:31.414 --> 05:35.668 There are 100 homicide detectives in the LA County Sheriff's Department, 05:35.752 --> 05:37.962 so they will reach out to us, 05:38.046 --> 05:41.507 and we will assume responsibility for the case. 05:43.051 --> 05:45.595 Alhambra police officers told me 05:45.678 --> 05:49.766 that they had received a 911 phone call from Phil Spector's chauffeur. 05:50.349 --> 05:53.686 When they arrived, they could see Phil Spector 05:53.770 --> 05:56.439 walking back and forth in the upstairs window. 05:57.023 --> 05:59.942 They're trying to get his attention, to come downstairs. 06:00.026 --> 06:02.070 And the guy's not complying. He's not coming out. 06:02.987 --> 06:06.074 They entered the home where they confronted Phil Spector. 06:06.574 --> 06:07.909 He's not cooperative. 06:08.785 --> 06:12.997 They see a woman slumped over in a chair, obviously dead. 06:14.040 --> 06:18.127 Phil is ranting, "This is the most devastating thing I've ever seen." 06:18.711 --> 06:21.089 One of the officers had the whole thing recorded. 06:21.798 --> 06:24.425 [Spector] This is absolute fucking nonsense. 06:24.509 --> 06:27.345 I don't know what that fucking lady… what her problem is. 06:27.428 --> 06:30.139 But she was with security at the House of Blues. 06:30.223 --> 06:32.642 And I don't know what her fucking problem was, 06:32.725 --> 06:35.812 but she certainly had no right to come to my fucking castle, 06:35.895 --> 06:37.522 blow her fucking head open. 06:37.605 --> 06:39.941 What the fuck is wrong with you people? 06:42.026 --> 06:43.236 [Tomlin] They have to tase him. 06:43.319 --> 06:47.031 I believe they even used a ballistic shield to knock him down. 06:47.115 --> 06:50.535 The Alhambra officers conducted a very preliminary investigation. 06:51.119 --> 06:54.580 Based on that investigation, they took Mr. Phil Spector into custody. 06:57.583 --> 06:59.419 I've been around long enough to know 06:59.502 --> 07:03.131 that people take death in a myriad of ways. 07:04.090 --> 07:07.802 You have to take into account everything. You have to keep an open mind. 07:07.885 --> 07:11.472 And based on what Spector is saying, suicide is a possibility. 07:11.556 --> 07:13.141 [dark, enigmatic music playing] 07:13.224 --> 07:14.350 Back door was open. 07:14.892 --> 07:17.979 As we enter in, I see a young lady. 07:18.062 --> 07:20.648 She's sprawled out in a chair in the foyer. 07:20.731 --> 07:24.360 There's a .38 caliber handgun by her foot. 07:25.027 --> 07:29.532 You could see she was suffering from a gunshot wound inside of her mouth. 07:31.200 --> 07:34.412 We didn't know who she was. We didn't know if they had a relationship. 07:34.495 --> 07:36.289 Maybe something went sideways. 07:36.873 --> 07:40.877 Is this a crime? Is this a suicide? Could this be a horrible accident? 07:41.460 --> 07:43.337 A three-pronged investigation. 07:45.840 --> 07:49.594 We treat all death investigations on the surface, at first glance, 07:49.677 --> 07:51.095 as if they're a murder. 07:51.179 --> 07:53.264 We send homicide cops to every suicide 07:53.347 --> 07:56.309 that occurs in the jurisdiction of the Los Angeles County Sheriff. 07:57.768 --> 08:01.063 Every accidental death, with the exception of a traffic collision, 08:01.147 --> 08:02.356 we send a homicide cop. 08:06.944 --> 08:10.323 I'm starting to look at the paraphernalia in Mr. Spector's home, 08:10.406 --> 08:15.786 and I am starting to grasp the importance of this person in that industry. 08:15.870 --> 08:18.289 [reporter] Phil Spector's fame as a producer 08:18.372 --> 08:20.958 at times eclipsed the artists he worked with. 08:21.042 --> 08:24.545 [Tomlin] You see Tina Turner. You see pictures of the Righteous Brothers. 08:24.629 --> 08:28.174 You see the Beatles, the Grammy nominations, 08:28.257 --> 08:31.344 and all the awards that he had gotten over the years. 08:38.643 --> 08:39.977 [Tomlin] As the lead investigator, 08:40.061 --> 08:43.648 if this thing works out well, kudos to you. 08:43.731 --> 08:46.901 But if it goes sideways, you are held responsible. 08:49.695 --> 08:51.405 We assigned Mark Lillienfeld, 08:51.989 --> 08:54.575 one of the most seasoned detectives at Homicide, 08:54.659 --> 08:55.993 to do the scene 08:56.744 --> 09:01.040 because we knew that was going to be a critical part 09:01.123 --> 09:02.583 in this whole investigation. 09:04.043 --> 09:06.796 Big cases and Mark Lillienfeld kind of go hand-in-hand. 09:08.005 --> 09:12.301 High-profile cases can stress cops out, and I couldn't care less. 09:12.385 --> 09:14.220 We put the same amount of effort 09:14.303 --> 09:17.348 and resources and diligence into every murder scene. 09:17.431 --> 09:18.933 [cryptic music playing] 09:21.686 --> 09:23.563 The house was in horrible shape. 09:24.063 --> 09:25.481 It was poorly lit. 09:26.440 --> 09:27.650 It was filthy. 09:27.733 --> 09:30.278 And there were mice and rats and roaches. 09:30.361 --> 09:34.323 For somebody of such extreme wealth, it was like, well, a bit out of character. 09:34.407 --> 09:37.326 You'd think he would live this extravagant lifestyle. 09:37.994 --> 09:40.663 [Smith] There was everything in that house. I mean, literally. 09:40.746 --> 09:44.083 Like he was a multi-millionaire pack rat. 09:44.584 --> 09:48.713 You're like, "I know I need to make sure that I don't miss something." 09:49.213 --> 09:50.464 But you're also like, 09:51.465 --> 09:54.844 "Spector probably hasn't been in this room for six years." 09:55.553 --> 09:58.598 It was the most unique crime scene investigation 09:58.681 --> 10:00.016 I'd ever been involved in, 10:00.099 --> 10:02.518 and truthfully, one I'd never wanna have to do again. 10:02.602 --> 10:04.312 It was awful, it was terrible, 10:04.895 --> 10:06.939 because it was so convoluted. 10:10.234 --> 10:13.613 [Lillienfeld] So we knew we had the decedent remains right there. 10:13.696 --> 10:17.283 We had physical evidence of blood, the gunshot wound that was visible. 10:17.366 --> 10:18.701 She'd been shot in the mouth. 10:18.784 --> 10:23.122 So there were teeth and fragments of teeth that were spread out amongst her remains. 10:23.205 --> 10:26.917 They were on the carpeting. They were across the room on a stairway. 10:27.543 --> 10:32.173 We collected it, we photographed it, we diagrammed it, we held it for DNA. 10:32.256 --> 10:36.469 You gotta get past the ick factor and the emotional part of that. 10:36.552 --> 10:39.305 You gotta get past that. "What do these things tell me?" 10:39.972 --> 10:42.099 [Smith] We're there to speak for the dead, 10:42.183 --> 10:46.145 and they leave us clues with physical evidence. 10:46.228 --> 10:48.230 [dark, moody music playing] 10:49.732 --> 10:53.736 All of us knew that when you're standing over a dead person, 10:53.819 --> 10:57.865 that's an awesome responsibility, and you have to take it seriously. 11:00.951 --> 11:04.872 [Tomlin] You have to take a somewhat spiritual ideology. 11:04.955 --> 11:07.124 I could look at a dead body, have no effect. 11:07.208 --> 11:10.795 That's just a shell, and the person's spirit is already gone. 11:12.838 --> 11:17.134 I do think it has an accumulation, being in the presence of death. 11:17.218 --> 11:18.594 The job can take its toll. 11:20.179 --> 11:23.182 Now you focus on solving it. 11:23.265 --> 11:25.226 [suspenseful music pulsing] 11:25.309 --> 11:31.440 And so we just methodically took our time before releasing the scene. 11:32.024 --> 11:36.237 Usually, you hold a scene, maybe… if there's a lot of evidence, 11:36.320 --> 11:38.155 maybe seven, eight hours. 11:38.239 --> 11:40.825 On this one, we held it over a day. 11:44.578 --> 11:45.663 [cryptic music playing] 11:45.746 --> 11:49.375 [Lillienfeld] On the floor was a loaded .38 caliber revolver 11:49.458 --> 11:51.961 manufactured by the Colt firearms company, 11:52.044 --> 11:56.090 and there was one spent cartridge in the cylinder of that weapon. 11:56.173 --> 12:00.177 There was, mixed in with that, a thumb-lock device 12:00.261 --> 12:02.346 off of the back door to the home. 12:02.430 --> 12:05.975 Most people have a deadbolt and it goes from the door into the frame, 12:06.058 --> 12:08.144 and it provides that extra security. 12:08.227 --> 12:09.937 In order to throw that deadbolt, 12:10.020 --> 12:11.689 you twist this thumb device, 12:11.772 --> 12:16.819 and that was off of the lock itself and was lying on the floor. 12:16.902 --> 12:19.405 It was very unusual. Like, "How did that happen?" 12:21.240 --> 12:24.368 Some people would say, "It looks like the gun was placed by her foot." 12:24.452 --> 12:28.164 The problem is you could never reenact where a gun would land. 12:28.247 --> 12:29.832 You know, gun drops, 12:30.499 --> 12:32.835 and it just flops around. 12:34.128 --> 12:38.591 [Lillienfeld] A leather snap holster was in a drawer of the bureau, 12:39.300 --> 12:41.802 and it was clear that that leather holster 12:41.886 --> 12:45.681 fit the two-inch Colt blue-steel .38 caliber revolver. 12:45.765 --> 12:49.351 So, uh, that… that weapon came from that holster. 12:49.435 --> 12:51.437 [erratic, cryptic music pulsing] 12:54.315 --> 12:57.818 It was about 5:00 p.m., almost 12 hours later. 12:58.402 --> 13:01.906 The coroner's office finally had confirmation 13:01.989 --> 13:04.158 of the identity of the victim. 13:06.410 --> 13:08.037 This was Lana Clarkson. 13:09.747 --> 13:13.292 At that point, we were able to obtain the mother's information. 13:13.375 --> 13:15.211 We're heading over to see Donna. 13:17.254 --> 13:20.090 [woman] I got a phone call from Lana's sister, Fawn. 13:20.174 --> 13:22.426 She said, "Something could have happened to Lana." 13:22.510 --> 13:25.846 "I don't know. Something's wrong." I said, "What do you mean? What's wrong?" 13:26.680 --> 13:29.058 Fawn got a phone call from somebody, 13:29.141 --> 13:31.352 but she didn't really know too much. 13:31.435 --> 13:34.605 She said it could've had something to do with the news on the television 13:34.688 --> 13:37.149 about a possible murder in Alhambra. 13:38.818 --> 13:41.403 Lana was supposed to call me, but I hadn't heard from her. 13:43.239 --> 13:45.199 I thought perhaps there'd been a party, 13:45.282 --> 13:49.453 and she was being held along with other people for investigations. 13:50.663 --> 13:53.207 I ended up calling the sheriff's office. 13:54.250 --> 13:56.085 [Tomlin] While we're going to see Donna, 13:56.168 --> 13:59.839 she actually connected with my partner Paul on the phone. 14:01.090 --> 14:05.010 I thought he was calling me back. He said, "Where can I meet with you?" 14:05.094 --> 14:07.179 I was, like, taken aback. "Meet with me?" 14:07.680 --> 14:08.681 And, um… 14:10.558 --> 14:11.559 Excuse me. 14:12.268 --> 14:14.603 He told me Lana's address on the canal. 14:15.896 --> 14:17.857 He says, "Well, can we meet you there?" 14:18.357 --> 14:19.650 Then I was really concerned. 14:19.733 --> 14:22.319 I didn't know what was happening. That wasn't a good sign. 14:22.403 --> 14:24.738 [somber, sorrowful music playing] 14:24.822 --> 14:29.368 I pulled into the parking garage, and I'm trying to keep my wits about me, 14:29.451 --> 14:32.913 and not be, you know, too upset, not… without knowing anything. 14:32.997 --> 14:34.915 So I'm kind of cleaning the car up, 14:35.541 --> 14:37.877 and I pulled up a pair of shoes, 14:38.419 --> 14:40.838 and I remember holding the shoes, saying… 14:43.299 --> 14:45.426 "This can't be Lana. Here's her shoes." 14:45.509 --> 14:46.802 [sobbing] Sorry. 14:50.639 --> 14:53.559 And then all of a sudden, the detectives pulled in. 14:53.642 --> 14:55.603 Her sister pulled in and brother. 14:55.686 --> 14:58.314 We all quietly walked around to the front of the cottage 14:58.397 --> 14:59.523 and we went inside, 14:59.607 --> 15:03.110 and Detective Fornier looked at the floor, and said it was Lana. 15:04.945 --> 15:05.946 [tearfully] Sorry. 15:11.994 --> 15:14.914 [Smith] It doesn't matter if that child is an adult or a little kid. 15:14.997 --> 15:18.083 I mean, it's just… There's nothing worse and more unnatural 15:18.167 --> 15:20.711 than your children dying before you. 15:20.794 --> 15:22.546 And it's a tough, tough thing. 15:23.923 --> 15:26.634 [Lillienfeld] Making the notification of a death of a loved one… 15:26.717 --> 15:31.472 Unequivocally, absolutely the singular worst part of being a cop, 15:31.555 --> 15:33.766 and there's a lot of crappy parts to being a cop. 15:35.351 --> 15:39.313 You need to find out everything that's critically important 15:39.396 --> 15:40.481 as quickly as you can 15:40.564 --> 15:42.983 because it may affect how we collect physical evidence. 15:43.067 --> 15:45.611 Me, my partner, and the other eight detectives 15:45.694 --> 15:47.321 were still processing the scene. 15:49.156 --> 15:50.741 [Smith] The more you know about a victim, 15:50.824 --> 15:54.328 the more likely you are to understand how they died. 15:54.411 --> 15:57.331 These people have to process what you're telling them, 15:57.414 --> 15:58.707 and now I'm gonna ask them too, 15:58.791 --> 16:02.002 "By the way, she was over at Phil Spector's house." 16:02.086 --> 16:04.713 "Do you know who Phil Spector is? Does she know who Phil Spector is?" 16:05.339 --> 16:07.091 "Do you know why she would be there?" 16:07.174 --> 16:10.094 And Donna says, "No, she didn't know this man." 16:10.177 --> 16:12.012 [mysterious music playing] 16:12.096 --> 16:15.808 [Donna] In the entertainment industry, everybody socializes after hours. 16:15.891 --> 16:19.019 I'm not surprised. Lana was always networking. 16:19.103 --> 16:21.939 She had a lot going on. Lana was a working actor. 16:22.022 --> 16:23.691 Well, I got a bus to catch. 16:23.774 --> 16:24.858 You know where to? 16:24.942 --> 16:26.819 Yeah, wherever it's going. 16:29.655 --> 16:32.241 [Donna] Lana did a lot of TV shows in the '80s. 16:32.324 --> 16:34.785 She was in the Barbarian Queen movies. 16:39.206 --> 16:41.291 Lana fractured both her wrists, 16:41.375 --> 16:44.086 and it was really a big setback for her. 16:44.169 --> 16:46.046 She accidentally fell. 16:46.547 --> 16:49.883 And to brace her fall, she ended up breaking both her wrists. 16:49.967 --> 16:52.011 She had to have pins placed in them. 16:53.220 --> 16:57.141 [Donna] That was the beginning of a whole year of recovery for her. 16:58.726 --> 17:00.019 We didn't stay long. 17:00.102 --> 17:02.646 Let them grieve privately. 17:02.730 --> 17:04.732 [music trailing off] 17:06.066 --> 17:07.985 [mysterious music playing] 17:08.068 --> 17:10.029 [Tomlin] Right after the incident happened, 17:10.112 --> 17:11.655 Phil Spector was arrested, 17:11.739 --> 17:15.200 and he told the Alhambra officers that he wants an attorney. 17:15.284 --> 17:17.369 Soon as he said… uttered those words, 17:17.453 --> 17:18.787 it's hands off, 17:18.871 --> 17:21.290 and he immediately posted a million-dollar bail. 17:21.373 --> 17:25.127 [man] The DA's office attitude was, "We're not gonna file this case." 17:25.210 --> 17:28.756 "We're going to wait until everything gets investigated." 17:30.841 --> 17:34.511 [Tomlin] During the initial debriefing by the Alhambra police officers, 17:34.595 --> 17:37.389 they said they did have one witness, the chauffeur. 17:37.473 --> 17:41.977 The person who made the initial 911 call, Adriano De Souza. 17:43.062 --> 17:45.397 So we need to get to that chauffeur. 17:47.066 --> 17:49.693 -Detective Paul Fornier. -Detective Richard Tomlin. 17:49.777 --> 17:51.153 And we're here with… 17:51.236 --> 17:52.362 Adriano De Souza. 17:53.280 --> 17:55.407 [Tomlin] When we spoke to Adriano De Souza, 17:55.991 --> 17:59.369 he said he'd probably worked for Phil ten to 15 times in the past. 17:59.453 --> 18:01.455 [distressing music playing] 18:04.500 --> 18:07.503 Adriano said Phil Spector came out seven o'clock sharp, 18:07.586 --> 18:08.921 like he normally does. 18:10.172 --> 18:12.174 [tense music playing] 18:13.050 --> 18:16.678 Then went to dinner and drinks in West Hollywood. 18:18.055 --> 18:20.182 About 1:15, 1:20 in the morning, 18:20.265 --> 18:22.893 he was now directed to go to the House of Blues. 18:24.853 --> 18:26.980 Later on, the House of Blues is closing. 18:27.064 --> 18:31.860 It's a little bit after 2:00, and Lana is helping a drunk Phil Spector. 18:31.944 --> 18:33.529 He said, "I believe he was drunk." 18:33.612 --> 18:37.116 She takes him and puts him in the back seat of the car. 18:37.199 --> 18:40.452 She gets in, and they drive to Phil Spector's home. 18:43.747 --> 18:44.748 [music trails off] 18:45.749 --> 18:48.919 Adriano said he was parked around the back of the residence. 18:49.002 --> 18:51.880 He was playing a bit of music. He was dozing off. 18:51.964 --> 18:53.215 At about 5:00 in the morning, 18:54.091 --> 18:56.426 Adriano said he heard a loud popping noise. 18:56.510 --> 18:57.553 [distant popping] 18:57.636 --> 19:00.597 It was enough to startle him, for him to get out of his car. 19:01.431 --> 19:03.934 Suddenly, the back door opened up. 19:04.685 --> 19:07.146 He saw Phil Spector wearing a white jacket. 19:07.229 --> 19:08.522 I saw his face. 19:09.064 --> 19:12.651 And when I saw him, he had a gun in the front. 19:13.735 --> 19:15.404 Adriano could see blood on his hand. 19:15.487 --> 19:17.364 I did like this movement, 19:17.948 --> 19:18.949 and I saw the legs. 19:21.243 --> 19:23.328 -I saw the lady in the chair… -Okay. 19:23.412 --> 19:25.330 …with blood all over the face. 19:25.831 --> 19:27.666 Spector looked at Adriano and said… 19:28.250 --> 19:31.837 He told me, like, "I think I… I killed somebody." 19:33.088 --> 19:37.509 Adriano felt that his life was in danger, just started running. 19:37.593 --> 19:39.178 [foreboding music playing] 19:39.761 --> 19:42.848 He called Phil's manager. It immediately went to voicemail. 19:43.807 --> 19:44.933 [De Souza] Michelle. 19:45.017 --> 19:49.479 Michelle, you have to come to Mr. Phillip's house. 19:50.063 --> 19:52.357 I think he killed a lady. 19:52.858 --> 19:54.985 I'm gonna call the police right now. 19:55.777 --> 19:58.530 Adriano said, "I think Mr. Phil just killed somebody." 19:58.614 --> 20:01.033 He hung up the phone, and then he dialed 911, 20:01.116 --> 20:04.203 and he told the dispatcher the same thing. 20:04.286 --> 20:06.705 [sirens wailing] 20:06.788 --> 20:09.207 [tense music playing] 20:11.501 --> 20:12.836 In Los Angeles County, 20:12.920 --> 20:16.048 it can go as long as a week and a half before an autopsy is performed. 20:16.798 --> 20:18.675 We're supposed to treat 'em all the same, 20:18.759 --> 20:21.345 but the reality is it ain't always that way. 20:22.679 --> 20:24.723 This has gone all the way to the sheriff himself. 20:25.432 --> 20:26.767 They wanna know what's going on. 20:27.392 --> 20:31.313 This autopsy was done, I wanna say, the next day, which was unheard of. 20:32.731 --> 20:35.317 The major findings from the autopsy was 20:35.400 --> 20:38.487 there was one gunshot wound inside of her mouth. 20:39.112 --> 20:41.365 Where the gunshot was and how it was lodged, 20:41.448 --> 20:42.866 Lana died instantly. 20:43.659 --> 20:46.578 The bullet was on a downward angle. 20:46.662 --> 20:48.538 If you committed suicide, 20:49.122 --> 20:51.500 are you going to point the gun downward? 20:51.583 --> 20:55.337 It'd be more like it'd be level or maybe even an upward angle. 20:57.422 --> 20:58.674 [Lillienfeld] Mode of death is 20:58.757 --> 21:01.718 a legal determination left to a medical doctor. 21:01.802 --> 21:03.178 He only has five choices. 21:03.262 --> 21:06.264 Homicide, suicide, accident, natural, unknown. 21:06.348 --> 21:08.308 It's the coroner that determines that. 21:08.392 --> 21:10.102 Not a judge, not a jury. 21:10.185 --> 21:14.064 It's the coroner, the medical examiner, makes that lawful determination. 21:15.983 --> 21:19.987 Dr. Pena was very, very thorough to draw those conclusions. 21:20.070 --> 21:21.405 Part of it is experience, 21:21.488 --> 21:23.031 part of it is common sense, 21:23.115 --> 21:24.116 part of it is science. 21:25.325 --> 21:29.413 [Tomlin] In this case, Dr. Pena deferred the findings, 21:29.496 --> 21:32.791 and wanted to wait for all the reports to come back 21:32.874 --> 21:34.793 before making a final determination. 21:36.378 --> 21:38.880 I am leaning more towards 21:38.964 --> 21:41.049 it's a murder or accident. 21:41.133 --> 21:44.261 We still have to develop, though, could it be suicide? 21:47.472 --> 21:51.268 Was she depressed? Was she in financial distress? 21:51.351 --> 21:53.353 [delicate, somber music playing] 21:54.479 --> 21:57.858 We talked to her landlords. Said she was a model tenant. 21:58.817 --> 22:03.947 That threw out that she's "struggling" and doesn't have money to make ends meet. 22:05.323 --> 22:08.785 Anybody and everybody that we thought had some relationship with her, 22:08.869 --> 22:11.830 whether business or personal, we spoke to them. 22:12.831 --> 22:15.500 [Donna] Everybody has their down-in-the-dumps moments. 22:15.584 --> 22:19.338 But she always pulled herself up, and she got out of it, 22:19.421 --> 22:22.341 and if she really needed something, she could call me. 22:23.592 --> 22:25.594 [Tomlin] No one said she ever tried to hurt herself. 22:25.677 --> 22:28.638 No one ever said that she even talked about suicide. 22:28.722 --> 22:33.477 She's a positive person who'd never think about hurting herself. 22:35.354 --> 22:38.482 [woman] In a perfect world, Lana'd go straight back to acting, 22:38.565 --> 22:41.568 but as she had been out of the scene for a year, 22:41.651 --> 22:45.197 and she wasn't top of mind for all the casting directors, 22:45.280 --> 22:47.616 she had to figure out a way to survive, 22:47.699 --> 22:50.577 and this opportunity came at the House of Blues. 22:50.660 --> 22:52.621 [vibrant, upbeat club music playing] 22:56.041 --> 22:58.543 Clarkson was working as a hostess at the House of Blues. 22:59.294 --> 23:01.254 [Hudson] She was excited to be working. 23:01.338 --> 23:04.341 She was excited that she had healed and was healthy. 23:04.424 --> 23:09.513 It was a privilege to be asked to be the hostess of the Foundation Room. 23:09.596 --> 23:13.725 The Foundation Room at the House of Blues was a very prestigious place. 23:14.226 --> 23:15.977 It was the who's who of Hollywood. 23:16.770 --> 23:20.565 As a guest of Lana's, I met George Clooney there one night. 23:20.649 --> 23:24.903 If you were famous and in Hollywood, you were visiting the Foundation Room. 23:24.986 --> 23:26.988 [vibrant music continuing] 23:32.994 --> 23:33.995 [music trailing off] 23:34.079 --> 23:35.872 [Tomlin] Paul and I went to the House of Blues. 23:35.956 --> 23:38.417 We spoke to the manager, the head of security, 23:38.500 --> 23:42.504 and then the waitress that actually served Spector. 23:44.631 --> 23:46.007 Spector had come in, 23:46.758 --> 23:49.469 and Lana was working as a hostess that evening. 23:50.554 --> 23:53.181 He said, "Don't you know who I am? I'm Phil Spector." 23:53.682 --> 23:58.228 She, not realizing, stated, "Well, Ms. Spector, you can't come in." 23:58.812 --> 24:01.106 She thought he was a female. 24:01.606 --> 24:03.400 That didn't go over too well. 24:03.483 --> 24:06.403 The head of security ran over to her and said, "Hey, no." 24:06.486 --> 24:09.489 Pulled her to the side and said, "Treat this guy like gold." 24:09.990 --> 24:14.995 So at that point, Lana escorted him over to a special table, 24:15.078 --> 24:16.830 apologizing profusely. 24:19.166 --> 24:22.085 During the early morning hours, the place is now closed. 24:22.169 --> 24:24.421 They were seen leaving together. 24:24.504 --> 24:26.381 We asked, "Was there video footage?" 24:27.674 --> 24:29.050 We watch the video. 24:30.343 --> 24:35.098 It appears that Lana was actually helping Spector into the car. 24:36.308 --> 24:38.768 According to Adriano, Spector was drunk. 24:40.270 --> 24:41.730 He kept repeatedly inviting her, 24:41.813 --> 24:44.065 "Come to my castle. You have to see the castle." 24:44.149 --> 24:45.400 And she said, "Okay." 24:45.484 --> 24:49.487 And that's how, uh, the journey began. 24:49.571 --> 24:51.573 [foreboding music playing] 24:53.241 --> 24:55.076 It's eerie, 24:55.160 --> 25:00.248 watching and knowing that this young lady is gonna lose her life within two hours. 25:05.086 --> 25:09.049 A lot of our questioning was along the lines of, "Attractive woman…" 25:09.132 --> 25:10.133 You know, men are pigs. 25:10.926 --> 25:14.179 She's in Hollywood, home of the term "casting couch." 25:14.262 --> 25:17.474 How did she react when somebody made an inappropriate remark 25:17.557 --> 25:19.601 or did something inappropriate to her? 25:20.435 --> 25:23.355 [Hudson] Lana, she knew how to rebuff attention, 25:23.438 --> 25:24.814 and very delicately. 25:26.650 --> 25:32.572 It's easy for people to make big leaps and make assumptions 25:32.656 --> 25:36.534 about a woman going to a man's home in the middle of the night. 25:36.618 --> 25:38.036 But I knew Lana, 25:38.620 --> 25:41.790 and I knew exactly why she went to his house. 25:41.873 --> 25:45.418 She didn't go because she was interested in him romantically. 25:46.127 --> 25:48.505 There wouldn't be anything intimidating 25:48.588 --> 25:51.550 about going to have a drink with Phil Spector. 25:51.633 --> 25:54.010 He was 5'6" to her 6' tall. 25:54.094 --> 25:56.012 She took care of herself. 25:57.138 --> 25:58.848 I can absolutely see 25:58.932 --> 26:03.353 where Lana would be intrigued with somebody like Phil Spector. 26:03.436 --> 26:04.562 This is Hollywood. 26:04.646 --> 26:07.566 Let me tell you, networking is highly valuable. 26:07.649 --> 26:09.651 [cryptic music playing] 26:12.153 --> 26:15.949 I'm the one person that knew both Phil Spector and Lana Clarkson. 26:16.032 --> 26:18.410 What an unusual, dubious distinction. 26:20.537 --> 26:23.873 It was around 1966 when I first met Phil Spector 26:23.957 --> 26:25.750 and witnessed him work. 26:26.418 --> 26:28.169 When I was 15, 26:28.253 --> 26:30.130 Gold Star Studios was the big deal. 26:31.089 --> 26:33.174 I'd sneak in and sit on the couch. 26:33.758 --> 26:37.554 This engineer, he invited me into the studio. 26:37.637 --> 26:40.265 Eventually, I was in Phil Spector's sessions. 26:41.474 --> 26:43.560 Phil Spector had the Wall of Sound. 26:43.643 --> 26:47.188 The Wall of Sound was about having four guitar players at once 26:47.272 --> 26:48.607 and three piano… 26:48.690 --> 26:50.275 But nobody did stuff like that. 26:50.358 --> 26:52.527 Two drummers, it's completely crazy. 26:54.404 --> 26:56.865 I never witnessed anybody like him, 26:56.948 --> 26:59.534 just the way he was in the sessions, the way he behaved. 27:00.118 --> 27:02.454 He was like a little dictator in a way, 27:02.537 --> 27:07.417 but he sure knew what he wanted, and he got it. 27:09.085 --> 27:11.212 Lana was one of my closest friends, 27:11.713 --> 27:14.591 but we had never had any occasion to discuss Phil Spector. 27:16.259 --> 27:20.180 The last time I saw him was 1978, I think. 27:20.263 --> 27:23.767 And I met Lana Clarkson in 1984 before I moved to New York. 27:24.392 --> 27:26.645 So Lana had no idea of Phil's reputation. 27:28.063 --> 27:30.607 Phil Spector was a very dangerous character, 27:31.232 --> 27:33.693 unstable and very unpredictable. 27:34.694 --> 27:37.447 Had I been there when the House of Blues closed that night, 27:37.530 --> 27:39.366 this would have never happened. 27:39.449 --> 27:42.452 I would've never let her leave there with Phil, but… 27:44.913 --> 27:45.914 [music trails off] 27:47.791 --> 27:49.793 [suspenseful music playing] 27:55.882 --> 27:58.426 [Tomlin] Everybody had a heightened sense of, 27:58.927 --> 28:05.684 "This is going to be a very scrutinized case." 28:05.767 --> 28:09.437 "And we're gonna need as much information as we can." 28:13.149 --> 28:16.611 Our lab got the results of the DNA swabs 28:16.695 --> 28:19.697 that were obtained during the crime scene investigation. 28:20.490 --> 28:21.908 [Lillienfeld] In the master bedroom, 28:21.991 --> 28:25.829 we found a white dinner jacket that Mr. Spector had been wearing 28:25.912 --> 28:27.622 during his evening out at the House of Blues. 28:28.790 --> 28:31.793 There was blood spatter on the sleeve of the jacket. 28:32.919 --> 28:36.881 Also in a guest bathroom, there was a cotton diaper. 28:37.757 --> 28:38.967 [Tomlin] Something I learned. 28:39.050 --> 28:40.260 When people have guns, 28:40.343 --> 28:42.721 they will wrap them in diapers. 28:43.680 --> 28:46.599 [Lillienfeld] That diaper had blood on it and it was moist. 28:47.600 --> 28:52.647 We learned that Lana Clarkson's blood was on that diaper and in that bathroom, 28:52.731 --> 28:56.443 that her blood was on Phil Spector's jacket. 28:59.195 --> 29:03.158 When the projectile struck Ms. Clarkson and blood came out, 29:03.658 --> 29:08.246 it got on Mr. Spector's weapon, it got on his sleeve, it got on his hand. 29:08.788 --> 29:12.083 And during her exam of the diaper and exam of the weapon, 29:12.667 --> 29:15.170 Dr. Lynne Herold was able to conclude 29:15.253 --> 29:18.590 that the diaper had been used to wipe the gun down. 29:18.673 --> 29:21.468 And that's where the moisture and the blood evidence 29:21.551 --> 29:24.304 was transferred from the weapon to the diaper. 29:26.389 --> 29:30.351 Bloodstain pattern evidence is circumstantial evidence of the crime. 29:32.687 --> 29:36.149 How did the gun go off? Where was the gun when it went off? 29:36.232 --> 29:38.985 What effect did the gun going off have? 29:39.068 --> 29:41.404 It was difficult because we're dealing with 29:41.488 --> 29:45.492 bloodstain pattern evidence on dark red carpet. 29:49.829 --> 29:52.999 When all these findings came back, suicide is out of the window. 29:54.626 --> 29:56.085 Did we believe it's a murder? 29:56.711 --> 29:59.881 Could there be an inkling that it's an accident? Yeah. 29:59.964 --> 30:01.633 But the problem with that is 30:01.716 --> 30:02.926 he's not saying that. 30:04.594 --> 30:06.179 [Spector] I dunno what that fucking lady… 30:06.262 --> 30:07.430 what her problem is. 30:07.514 --> 30:10.600 Just blows her fucking head open in my fucking house. 30:14.354 --> 30:20.151 The coroner's office finally did come back and say, "No, this was a homicide." 30:20.235 --> 30:21.569 [dramatic music playing] 30:21.653 --> 30:24.948 The medical examiners determined that Lana Clarkson was murdered, 30:25.031 --> 30:29.661 but the LA County DA's office declined to file homicide charges. 30:29.744 --> 30:32.664 The LA coroner's office made this announcement. 30:32.747 --> 30:35.959 Not only did they say it was a homicide, they fingered Phil Spector. 30:36.042 --> 30:38.294 When are we gonna we hear from the LA district attorney? 30:38.378 --> 30:39.712 [interviewee] Spector's big. 30:39.796 --> 30:44.008 And it's big for this DA's office, who's lost so many high-profile cases. 30:44.968 --> 30:47.846 I remember, when the Spector case came along, 30:47.929 --> 30:49.722 I knew who Phil Spector was. 30:49.806 --> 30:52.225 "Who's Lost That Loving Feeling." 30:52.308 --> 30:55.520 My granddaughter loves that music from Top Gun. 30:57.522 --> 31:00.608 There was a… I don't want to say paranoia. 31:00.692 --> 31:04.696 But the office got burned very badly in the OJ Simpson case. 31:07.949 --> 31:11.870 We wanted more time to file criminal charges against Simpson. 31:12.787 --> 31:15.331 But there was a lot of pressure from the media, 31:15.415 --> 31:16.583 and we had to file the case. 31:17.208 --> 31:20.503 What happened in the OJ Simpson case? 31:20.587 --> 31:21.671 We weren't ready. 31:22.964 --> 31:26.634 We want to make sure justice is served and they're going to do their time. 31:27.760 --> 31:29.262 Now you're focusing on, 31:29.345 --> 31:32.682 "How can we strengthen proof that it is a murder 31:32.765 --> 31:34.434 without a reasonable doubt?" 31:34.517 --> 31:39.898 And, "What could be any hiccups to stop us from getting that conviction?" 31:42.859 --> 31:46.946 Everybody wanted a piece of the media attention. 31:48.948 --> 31:51.534 [Smith] It's sad, but it's the nature of our media. 31:52.035 --> 31:57.332 They're gonna follow cases that have a lot of flair and interest. 31:58.791 --> 32:02.420 Phil Spector liked to talk. He was giving interviews left and right. 32:02.503 --> 32:06.341 [reporter] In a magazine interview, he claimed Clarkson "kissed the gun." 32:06.841 --> 32:12.930 He fabricated information, and he was fairly hostile about Lana, 32:13.014 --> 32:15.099 and was maligning her all the time. 32:15.850 --> 32:20.980 Phil Spector's PR machine, they were out to make Lana look like a bimbo. 32:21.564 --> 32:24.233 People put her down because she's a B-movie actress, 32:24.317 --> 32:25.652 but she held that proudly. 32:26.527 --> 32:31.491 She knew that she was a big barbarian queen, and she owned it. 32:31.574 --> 32:34.702 The family requested that none of us, 32:34.786 --> 32:38.081 the intimate circle, speak to anybody. 32:38.623 --> 32:40.750 People would say something, and they'd twist it, 32:40.833 --> 32:43.586 and it would be published in a magazine or newspaper. 32:43.670 --> 32:46.172 So I said the best thing is not to speak out. 32:47.507 --> 32:50.802 [Hudson] And so we were just in the background, 32:50.885 --> 32:56.057 quietly fuming over the information that was being spewed forth 32:56.140 --> 32:58.893 by Phil Spector and his team. 32:58.976 --> 33:00.520 It was horrible. 33:01.062 --> 33:03.690 It showed what he was about. 33:04.190 --> 33:05.566 You can't but help say, 33:05.650 --> 33:09.654 "No, you're trying to hide something, and you have committed murder." 33:15.910 --> 33:19.622 [Tomlin] Without a doubt, this was the most media-driven case. 33:20.289 --> 33:22.500 My friends and relatives, that's all they talk about. 33:22.583 --> 33:25.461 "Are you on that case?" And everybody's got their theory. 33:26.879 --> 33:28.339 But you have to have balance. 33:29.006 --> 33:31.926 And one of the things that I do, 33:32.010 --> 33:35.096 I rarely talk about what I do for a living. 33:37.098 --> 33:38.182 I don't feel special. 33:38.266 --> 33:41.477 This is just what I choose to do, and I enjoy doing it. 33:42.186 --> 33:44.522 And on this case, I was low-keying it. 33:44.605 --> 33:48.109 Like, "Oh, yeah, working on this. Yeah, it's gonna be on TV." 33:49.235 --> 33:52.155 And at the time, my kids were 13 and 11. 33:53.072 --> 33:58.619 And so my kids knew what was going on, but I think they took a cue from me, 33:58.703 --> 34:00.329 and they never… 34:00.413 --> 34:02.915 I always laugh. They were never too impressed with me. 34:08.588 --> 34:10.047 [reporter] I heard Spector described… 34:10.131 --> 34:12.216 read him described in the newspaper this morning 34:12.300 --> 34:14.927 as being 90% charming, 10% trouble. 34:15.011 --> 34:15.845 [man] Yeah. 34:15.928 --> 34:18.222 Did you have any experience with that 10% of him? 34:18.306 --> 34:21.309 I never did, certainly, but there were many stories. 34:22.268 --> 34:25.396 [Tomlin] We're focusing on, "Why did we believe it's a murder?" 34:25.480 --> 34:27.690 We have to get into the life of Phil Spector. 34:28.566 --> 34:32.111 We see there was at least one time where he was arrested with a gun. 34:33.905 --> 34:36.074 [Lillienfeld] He possessed guns, owned guns. 34:36.157 --> 34:39.869 I learned from other people that he had this long, sordid history 34:39.952 --> 34:41.454 of waving guns around. 34:41.537 --> 34:45.416 There was story after story of him actually waving a gun 34:45.500 --> 34:48.169 during the recording of a song by the Ramones. 34:48.669 --> 34:52.215 He's pissed off at John Lennon and he fires a gun into the ceiling. 34:52.298 --> 34:54.050 We had to go track that down. 34:54.133 --> 34:58.513 Phil Spector pulling a gun on people has more to do with who's in control. 34:58.596 --> 35:01.265 If you have real power, you don't need a gun. 35:02.016 --> 35:03.309 He was a chickenshit. 35:05.269 --> 35:08.314 He carried loaded guns for a reason, because he could bully people with them, 35:09.524 --> 35:12.151 from John Lennon to Leonard Cohen. 35:14.112 --> 35:17.406 [Fraboni] They're getting ready to wrap a music recording session. 35:17.490 --> 35:19.242 Phil Spector says to Leonard Cohen, 35:19.325 --> 35:21.452 "Go out and put a vocal on this." 35:21.536 --> 35:25.915 And Leonard says to Phil, "Well, you know what? Man, I'm tired." 35:25.998 --> 35:27.708 He said, "I could do it tomorrow." 35:27.792 --> 35:29.460 And then Phil gets the gun out. 35:30.962 --> 35:34.757 Points it at Leonard and says, "You're gonna go sing this now." 35:34.841 --> 35:36.884 [cryptic music playing] 35:36.968 --> 35:38.970 It didn't deter Leonard Cohen. 35:39.470 --> 35:41.055 This is the first day. 35:42.056 --> 35:44.142 Leonard told me this story, right? 35:44.642 --> 35:46.519 He was still so intrigued 35:46.602 --> 35:50.106 by the possibilities of what would happen by working with Phil, 35:50.189 --> 35:53.317 but Leonard knew that that gun was there at all times. 35:55.528 --> 35:57.154 [Tomlin] He was very powerful, 35:57.238 --> 35:58.948 so people were very hesitant. 35:59.448 --> 36:01.242 Especially people in that music world. 36:01.325 --> 36:04.495 They felt he had enough power to derail their career. 36:06.789 --> 36:09.709 During this, there was a lot of people we spoke to 36:09.792 --> 36:11.586 that would not go on the record, 36:13.212 --> 36:18.467 but they spoke of how he would keep people in his house. 36:20.887 --> 36:22.430 It was men and women. 36:23.347 --> 36:25.850 You had a good time with Phil, and wanted to leave, 36:25.933 --> 36:27.935 he would say, "Okay, just wait here," 36:28.019 --> 36:31.689 and it was always in that foyer area. 36:32.190 --> 36:35.818 And he literally would disappear at times for hours 36:36.319 --> 36:39.030 until he was ready for you to go. 36:40.114 --> 36:41.866 How he would keep them in… 36:41.949 --> 36:44.994 Remember the deadbolt lock that was found on the floor? 36:45.661 --> 36:48.706 He would remove the lock, and now they're stuck. 36:49.332 --> 36:52.460 It was another opportunity for him to control others. 36:52.543 --> 36:55.421 And that was what set him apart. 36:56.589 --> 36:59.550 He was manic, if you will, about control. 37:00.259 --> 37:02.553 [Lillienfeld] Ms. Clarkson was basically imprisoned. 37:02.637 --> 37:06.474 She wasn't free to leave on her own will because she couldn't open the door, 37:06.557 --> 37:09.727 because Mr. Spector had taken that lever device, 37:09.810 --> 37:12.772 that thumb device off of the deadbolt on the door. 37:13.731 --> 37:15.733 [eerie, haunting music playing] 37:16.943 --> 37:21.155 We'd heard rumors, but rumors don't float in a courtroom. 37:22.031 --> 37:23.741 So we had to have hard evidence. 37:24.909 --> 37:28.537 Rich Tomlin and his team tracked down every single lead, 37:28.621 --> 37:30.873 and they turned these rumors into fact. 37:30.957 --> 37:33.709 We found actual witnesses, a bunch of them. 37:35.336 --> 37:37.838 [Lillienfeld] Sometimes it'd be a one-date relationship, 37:37.922 --> 37:40.466 sometimes it'd be women he knew for years, 37:40.549 --> 37:44.470 but all of these women had the signature in common 37:44.553 --> 37:46.305 of having been held hostage, 37:46.389 --> 37:49.809 having been deprived of their liberty by Mr. Spector. 37:50.851 --> 37:54.313 [Tomlin] You have these women saying how he was very charming, 37:54.814 --> 37:57.566 conscious to their needs, very appealing, 37:57.650 --> 37:59.318 a great conversationalist, 37:59.402 --> 38:00.903 then the switch would go off. 38:02.905 --> 38:07.159 Phil Spector had a habit of bringing women over to his house, 38:07.243 --> 38:08.869 wanting sexual favors from them, 38:08.953 --> 38:12.665 and when they didn't comply or satisfy him, 38:12.748 --> 38:14.083 he would pull out a gun. 38:15.876 --> 38:16.961 [Smith] That's an MO, 38:17.044 --> 38:20.214 and it means this is a thing that he does, 38:20.298 --> 38:21.632 that he has done, 38:21.716 --> 38:24.260 and the reason that's important is because 38:24.343 --> 38:28.180 if you never… didn't find anyone that ever said this happened before, 38:28.264 --> 38:31.267 that would probably be a pretty big defense point. 38:31.350 --> 38:33.728 "That's absurd to think my client would do that!" 38:34.312 --> 38:38.065 These women were willing to testify that they were in fear of their lives, 38:38.149 --> 38:40.568 that they thought he was gonna kill them. 38:41.152 --> 38:43.070 It's a critical piece of the evidence, 38:43.154 --> 38:46.949 and it's a big part in showing that there was intent. 38:47.783 --> 38:51.579 It certainly wasn't a suicide, but it wasn't an accident either. 38:51.662 --> 38:53.581 He had these aggressive tendencies, 38:53.664 --> 38:56.000 and sooner or later, this was gonna be the outcome. 38:58.544 --> 39:00.546 [suspenseful music playing] 39:02.048 --> 39:08.012 If you base it on talking to people who had historically gone through this, 39:08.095 --> 39:11.182 I think he didn't want her to leave. 39:13.434 --> 39:16.687 He left her in that foyer area for an hour or more. 39:16.771 --> 39:20.066 She was dozing off, and for what reason we'll never know, 39:20.149 --> 39:24.695 he grabbed that gun, and he decided to shove it in her mouth, 39:24.779 --> 39:27.365 and she panicked, and he kills her. 39:29.075 --> 39:30.493 Realizing what he'd done, 39:31.077 --> 39:33.871 Phil Spector has more than enough time 39:33.954 --> 39:36.707 to now try to stage the crime scene. 39:42.296 --> 39:45.216 We were in continual contact with the district attorney's office. 39:45.299 --> 39:46.926 It was a collaborative effort. 39:47.009 --> 39:49.220 November of 2003, 39:49.303 --> 39:53.808 the decision was made, and murder charges were actually filed against Phil Spector. 39:53.891 --> 39:55.893 [tense music playing] 39:58.687 --> 39:59.939 [reporter] In early court appearances, 40:00.022 --> 40:02.691 he had famed OJ attorney Robert Shapiro at his side. 40:02.775 --> 40:06.320 Now, he's on his third set of high-profile lawyers. 40:06.404 --> 40:08.489 [Bowers] One thing with Phil Spector, 40:08.572 --> 40:12.660 he didn't want to spend one day in prison. 40:14.453 --> 40:18.165 Every time there was a new defense attorney, there was a continuance, 40:18.249 --> 40:21.544 and the judge would have to give them time to get up to speed. 40:23.003 --> 40:27.091 Phil Spector is on bail, meaning he is out. 40:28.592 --> 40:30.428 He had gotten married. 40:31.846 --> 40:36.350 As long as he can stretch this case out, he's a free man. 40:37.101 --> 40:38.310 [woman] Mr. Spector? 40:41.564 --> 40:43.983 [suspenseful music playing] 40:52.032 --> 40:55.619 It was kind of a circus atmosphere you had. 40:55.703 --> 40:59.081 [Tomlin] Phil Spector would wear different wigs to the trial. 40:59.165 --> 41:00.916 He had his huge bodyguards. 41:03.544 --> 41:05.045 [Lillienfeld] The defense in this case, 41:05.129 --> 41:07.798 some of their conduct was incredibly egregious. 41:07.882 --> 41:09.216 One of the defense attorneys, 41:09.300 --> 41:11.760 who's a complete and total unethical scumbag, 41:11.844 --> 41:13.429 New York Mafia attorney. 41:14.263 --> 41:18.350 He hit me up in the hallway and in the restroom, followed me in there. 41:18.851 --> 41:20.936 "I can't wait to get you on the stand." 41:21.020 --> 41:22.438 "I'm really gonna F you up." 41:22.521 --> 41:24.356 Like, really? I'm a little guy. 41:24.440 --> 41:27.151 You think I haven't had my ass kicked before? Are you blind? 41:27.234 --> 41:31.113 Look at this face. Look at me. I've built a career getting my ass kicked. 41:31.197 --> 41:32.823 I'm not the greatest testifier, 41:32.907 --> 41:35.993 but I can tell the truth, which is pretty goddamn easy to do. 41:36.744 --> 41:41.040 Maybe I appeared "intimidateable," if that's even a goddamn word. 41:41.123 --> 41:43.083 I'd like to think that I wasn't. 41:46.295 --> 41:48.380 [tense music playing] 41:48.464 --> 41:53.093 At stake in this trial was justice for Lana Clarkson and her family. 41:53.177 --> 41:55.971 There was a subtext to this trial as well, however. 41:57.014 --> 42:02.394 The LA DA's office had not won a high-profile case in 40 years, 42:03.520 --> 42:05.648 even though there was significant evidence 42:05.731 --> 42:08.317 that celebrities were involved in criminal activity. 42:09.652 --> 42:12.029 My first year in the district attorney's office 42:12.112 --> 42:14.198 was the trial of OJ Simpson. 42:15.032 --> 42:17.826 I was a young, brand-spanking-new DA. 42:18.661 --> 42:24.458 There were enormous lessons that were learned from that trial. 42:26.919 --> 42:30.172 Jurors look at celebrities different. 42:30.256 --> 42:32.800 They consider some identity with them. 42:33.384 --> 42:36.011 There's a certain amount of sympathy that's built up, 42:36.095 --> 42:38.097 and there's a lot of pressure on jurors. 42:38.180 --> 42:40.808 They know afterwards they're gonna be criticized by their friends 42:40.891 --> 42:43.519 if they find some celebrity guilty of something. 42:46.772 --> 42:49.942 [Jackson] We didn't want to try Phil Spector the music producer. 42:50.025 --> 42:52.278 We wanted to try Phil Spector the man. 42:52.361 --> 42:55.281 The fact that he was this massive music producer 42:55.364 --> 42:58.867 who had produced fantastic music, by anybody's standards, 42:58.951 --> 42:59.868 phenomenal music, 42:59.952 --> 43:03.455 and changed the course of music and rock and roll as we know it… 43:04.206 --> 43:05.541 It didn't matter. 43:05.624 --> 43:08.460 What mattered was what happened inside that mansion 43:08.544 --> 43:09.920 on that particular day. 43:10.838 --> 43:14.800 My strategy was to reveal the real Phil Spector. 43:15.634 --> 43:17.303 Period, full stop. 43:17.928 --> 43:22.266 We had close to 20 incidents that we wanted to use. 43:22.766 --> 43:25.894 The judge relegated us to five, which was fine. 43:25.978 --> 43:28.647 There was a gun pointed at my temple. 43:28.731 --> 43:32.526 He took the revolver and smacked me in the side of the head. 43:32.609 --> 43:36.113 -"You try to leave, I'm gonna kill you." -"Leave, I'll blow your ******* head off." 43:36.196 --> 43:37.573 It came out of nowhere. 43:37.656 --> 43:39.575 I think he was wearing a plaid jacket. 43:39.658 --> 43:41.910 I remember thinking he looked like Elmer Fudd. 43:41.994 --> 43:43.662 The gun was bigger than he was. 43:43.746 --> 43:47.541 We went up a stairway to his bedroom. He didn't have to do that. 43:47.625 --> 43:51.045 He could have been romantic, but he did it by gunpoint. 43:51.128 --> 43:52.212 He wanted to rape me. 43:53.130 --> 43:55.716 [Spector on recording] Be very careful what you say to me. 43:55.799 --> 43:59.928 Because nothing you say to me… is worth your life. 44:01.805 --> 44:03.265 Goodbye, Dorothy. 44:06.894 --> 44:08.604 [Donna] It was difficult to hear. 44:08.687 --> 44:10.397 There were women baring their souls, 44:10.481 --> 44:13.150 and I really thank them for being able to do that, 44:13.233 --> 44:17.279 'cause that wasn't easy to get up in front of all the cameras of Court TV, 44:17.363 --> 44:20.908 and all the people, and tell their gut-wrenching stories. 44:20.991 --> 44:24.787 The media said, "We want gavel-to-gavel coverage." 44:25.287 --> 44:28.957 We knew the OJ Simpson case was disastrous. 44:30.167 --> 44:32.086 [Jackson] People start acting differently. 44:32.586 --> 44:34.088 It becomes a show trial. 44:34.588 --> 44:36.924 Instead of evidence, you're presenting performances. 44:37.966 --> 44:40.094 So one of the things we tried to do 44:40.177 --> 44:44.181 was make the witnesses, on our side at least, understand 44:44.264 --> 44:46.934 you were there to simply tell the truth. 44:47.017 --> 44:49.269 Everything else is a distraction. 44:49.353 --> 44:50.354 Just ignore it. 44:51.939 --> 44:54.108 [Lillienfeld] I get nervous when I speak in public. 44:54.191 --> 44:57.027 I don't like testifying. It's breaking my balls to talk to you. 44:57.861 --> 45:00.239 I knew Mr. Spector had unlimited resources. 45:00.322 --> 45:05.577 So he had very expensive, very proficient, very aggressive attorneys. 45:05.661 --> 45:07.663 So I was at a disadvantage. 45:08.372 --> 45:12.126 There's a couple of very simple rules in testifying that I live by. 45:12.209 --> 45:15.921 Listen to the question, answer the question, shut the hell up. 45:16.004 --> 45:18.549 So I go to testify. I'm nervous anyway. 45:19.425 --> 45:23.053 Mark Lillienfeld, bless his heart, was on the witness stand. 45:23.137 --> 45:25.013 During direct examination, 45:25.097 --> 45:28.809 he's asked to describe something about Lana, 45:29.518 --> 45:33.731 and he slips and says "her paw" instead of "her hand." 45:35.941 --> 45:39.862 Soon as I said it, I realized I called this woman's hand a paw, like a dog paw. 45:39.945 --> 45:42.406 Partly 'cause I was nervous, partly 'cause I'm a fool. 45:43.157 --> 45:46.368 I look in the audience and I see her mom looking at me. 45:46.452 --> 45:49.705 Her mom's got this look of shock and disbelief. 45:49.788 --> 45:52.666 "You just called my deceased daughter's hand a paw." 45:52.750 --> 45:55.127 I sat there and cringed. 45:55.627 --> 45:59.256 Um, yeah. It was not his finest moment. 45:59.757 --> 46:01.884 [Tomlin] He quickly corrected himself. 46:02.676 --> 46:04.845 Mark felt devastated. 46:04.928 --> 46:09.683 That's the first time I can honestly say… I had to talk him off the ledge. 46:09.767 --> 46:11.143 He felt so bad. 46:11.852 --> 46:15.981 [Jackson] He's just a canine lover, has had dogs his whole life. 46:16.482 --> 46:19.443 I was nicknamed after a dog. I dream about dogs. 46:20.194 --> 46:21.570 I have some dog issues. 46:22.779 --> 46:26.074 And Lana Clarkson's mom, the only one that mattered to me… 46:26.158 --> 46:27.159 I apologized to her. 46:27.242 --> 46:30.454 I remember him coming up to me and how sweet he was. 46:30.537 --> 46:31.914 I was very grateful. 46:32.790 --> 46:34.291 I just spoke to her about 46:34.374 --> 46:38.420 it's really an honor to be a part of a homicide investigation 46:38.504 --> 46:42.049 where the victim was of such a… a great character. 46:42.132 --> 46:45.969 It was really a pleasure to know about her life 46:46.053 --> 46:48.931 and how she touched all these other people's lives. 46:49.014 --> 46:50.015 [clears throat] 46:51.225 --> 46:52.935 [tense music playing] 46:55.020 --> 46:58.148 [Bowers] It took a long time, the trial itself, several months. 46:58.232 --> 46:59.399 There was a lot of witnesses. 46:59.483 --> 47:04.738 The defense brought in a lot of experts from all over the United States. 47:04.821 --> 47:07.032 Hundreds of thousands of dollars were spent. 47:07.783 --> 47:11.078 [Lillienfeld] They were people that were world-renowned in their field, 47:11.161 --> 47:13.830 and they were proof that, "If you pay me enough, 47:13.914 --> 47:17.960 I will tell you I am Donald Duck and that the sky is not blue, it's brown." 47:18.043 --> 47:24.633 When you stick to the objective, scientific evidence, 47:25.926 --> 47:27.052 it's a suicide. 47:27.928 --> 47:30.013 [Jackson] We weren't just prosecuting a case. 47:30.097 --> 47:31.807 We were defending the truth. 47:33.684 --> 47:37.771 [Hudson] The only defense that they could possibly present 47:38.480 --> 47:42.776 for how a gun went off in her mouth 47:42.859 --> 47:44.236 was to say she did it. 47:45.904 --> 47:49.116 [Jackson] We knew the defense was going to come after Lana. They had to. 47:49.199 --> 47:52.661 They had to create this persona of a person who was deeply depressed, 47:52.744 --> 47:55.956 had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, 47:56.039 --> 47:57.833 and she had nothing to live for. 47:58.709 --> 48:01.920 They had played and introduced a video. 48:02.004 --> 48:04.631 I'll be no man's slave and no man's whore. 48:05.757 --> 48:10.137 Phil Spector's wife at the time sat behind the defense team, 48:10.637 --> 48:13.891 and she started giggling out loud and laughing at Lana. 48:13.974 --> 48:15.976 You officers can be so resourceful. 48:16.685 --> 48:18.478 Not with Lana, at Lana. 48:19.271 --> 48:23.483 The defense did that on purpose to mock her 48:23.567 --> 48:26.153 and to suggest that she was a lesser person, 48:26.236 --> 48:28.864 a lesser actor who didn't have anything to live for, 48:28.947 --> 48:31.033 and had no career aspirations or opportunities. 48:32.993 --> 48:35.829 I knew that it hurt Donna and the family. 48:36.747 --> 48:39.291 Well, when your good friend gets murdered, 48:39.374 --> 48:42.336 and gets smeared in the process and all the rest of it, 48:42.419 --> 48:45.631 I mean, and you're listening to this stuff go on in court 48:45.714 --> 48:48.216 where they're presenting these stories about her, 48:48.300 --> 48:51.428 it's… that's painful, 'cause you know it's not true. 48:52.262 --> 48:57.142 [Jackson] I was so frustrated because I felt like I couldn't protect her 48:57.225 --> 49:00.729 and protect her reputation in a way that she deserved to be protected. 49:04.524 --> 49:08.445 In California, defense lawyers for Phil Spector have rested their case. 49:09.988 --> 49:12.532 [Jackson] You meet 12 people you've never met, 49:12.616 --> 49:14.284 and they've never met each other… 49:14.368 --> 49:17.496 It's hard to get people to agree on what color the sky is, right? 49:17.579 --> 49:20.832 So I never take for granted that anything's a slam dunk. 49:20.916 --> 49:23.043 But I knew we had marshaled the right evidence. 49:23.126 --> 49:26.004 I knew we had the right blueprint for the trial. 49:26.088 --> 49:29.383 I knew that the witnesses, all of the women who testified, 49:29.466 --> 49:30.842 Adriano De Souza, 49:31.343 --> 49:34.763 everybody did what they were supposed to do, 49:35.263 --> 49:38.558 and I thought, "This shouldn't be that difficult." 49:39.059 --> 49:42.020 The jurors have all of the tools they need. 49:43.855 --> 49:46.066 That was on day one. Um… 49:47.442 --> 49:51.321 My confidence started getting shaken… shaky on day two, 49:51.863 --> 49:53.407 and that went into day three. 49:55.200 --> 49:56.910 Initially, it's gonna take a few days 49:56.993 --> 49:59.830 just because they have to go through every piece of evidence. 50:01.581 --> 50:03.291 But then after that… 50:04.751 --> 50:07.713 [Jackson] Day five, day seven, day eight, day nine. 50:07.796 --> 50:09.423 By that time, I'm a wreck. 50:09.506 --> 50:13.093 Thinking, "What did I do wrong? How could this be taking this long?" 50:14.344 --> 50:17.097 [man] When the jury foreman took an initial poll, 50:17.597 --> 50:18.974 it was disheartening. 50:19.474 --> 50:20.851 We're so far apart. 50:21.601 --> 50:25.022 It was four guilty, five not guilty, four undecided. 50:25.981 --> 50:30.652 It's almost like a second trial that happened during deliberations. 50:30.736 --> 50:34.322 Some of us in the jury room had to, like, re-litigate 50:34.865 --> 50:37.492 for the jurors that either didn't get it 50:37.576 --> 50:39.870 or actually fell for the misinformation 50:39.953 --> 50:43.540 that the experts on the defense side were giving. 50:44.332 --> 50:47.711 I guess if they repeat a lie in different ways and often, 50:47.794 --> 50:49.212 it almost becomes fact. 50:50.422 --> 50:56.845 It was the longest, most… Ugh… painful experience I've ever been in. 50:58.138 --> 51:02.517 We all had to do our job on the evidence presented to us. 51:04.060 --> 51:06.521 This is the come-to-Jesus moment for all of us. 51:07.022 --> 51:08.356 I knew how serious it was. 51:08.440 --> 51:11.735 I was being honest in why I had to convict. 51:12.569 --> 51:16.073 It'd been so contentious toward the end that we needed to get out of there. 51:16.156 --> 51:19.659 We deliberated 14 days. This has been going way too long. 51:20.577 --> 51:23.538 I went and hit the buzzer. That was it. 51:24.039 --> 51:27.334 This time, I will find that the jury is unable to arrive at a verdict 51:27.417 --> 51:29.211 and declare a mistrial in this matter. 51:33.381 --> 51:36.927 I thought it'd be a quick, done deal. In and out. 51:37.010 --> 51:38.178 And it wasn't. 51:39.304 --> 51:43.100 I was insulted by the defense and… and the stuff that they threw. 51:43.600 --> 51:47.604 Um, and… and I think… I think I've said enough. 51:49.397 --> 51:50.482 [gavel banging] 51:50.565 --> 51:53.235 As the gavel hit the bench, 51:53.318 --> 51:55.445 my stomach dropped, 51:55.529 --> 51:57.697 and I thought, "I failed." 51:59.616 --> 52:01.785 Everybody did what they were supposed to do, 52:01.868 --> 52:05.080 and I felt like I was the one that didn't, 52:05.163 --> 52:07.791 that wasn't able to see it through. 52:07.874 --> 52:10.585 It was a very defeating moment in my career. 52:12.671 --> 52:16.216 I went upstairs. I started packing up my briefcase for the evening. 52:16.716 --> 52:19.386 I wanted the press, quite frankly, to clear out a bit. 52:20.136 --> 52:24.766 There was a lone reporter who stayed back with a microphone and a camera. 52:25.350 --> 52:29.354 And as I walked out to my car, she said, 52:29.437 --> 52:32.691 "Mr. Jackson, do you intend to retry this case?" 52:32.774 --> 52:35.735 I stopped in my tracks and looked at her, and I said, 52:35.819 --> 52:39.364 "I will try this case as many times as it takes to get justice," 52:39.447 --> 52:40.282 and kept walking. 52:40.365 --> 52:42.367 [bold, dynamic music playing] 52:46.413 --> 52:49.082 We weren't gonna stop because of a hung jury. 52:49.165 --> 52:50.375 It was never gonna happen. 52:51.459 --> 52:56.006 So we gather our thoughts, put the case back together, 52:56.089 --> 52:58.550 and about a year and a half later, we tried it again. 52:58.633 --> 53:01.136 [tense, exciting music playing] 53:04.097 --> 53:08.643 In the first trial, out of 12 jurors, ten of them voted for guilt. 53:08.727 --> 53:13.899 So, ultimately, I came to the conclusion that we had not done anything wrong. 53:14.482 --> 53:17.485 Let's just pick a new jury and put this case on, 53:17.569 --> 53:21.239 basically blueprinted the same way, the second time. That's what we did. 53:22.824 --> 53:25.076 [Donna] I didn't know what to expect in the second trial. 53:25.827 --> 53:27.787 It wasn't as much of a spectacle, 53:28.371 --> 53:30.916 but both trials were just as emotional for me. 53:33.585 --> 53:35.378 The jury was in deliberation. 53:36.296 --> 53:39.716 And I remember I was at my son's high school baseball game. 53:40.717 --> 53:43.178 When this case came out, he was 11. 53:44.346 --> 53:46.223 My son's 16 now. 53:47.641 --> 53:49.100 My phone is blowing up. 53:50.143 --> 53:52.229 "Hey, they've come to a verdict." 53:53.313 --> 53:54.564 And I just sat there. 53:55.732 --> 53:56.983 And I thought about it. 53:57.984 --> 54:00.654 I'm always gonna have other trials, other verdicts. 54:01.238 --> 54:03.823 And on a selfish side, I won't always have the opportunity 54:03.907 --> 54:05.075 to see my son play baseball. 54:05.992 --> 54:09.454 And so I said, "No, I'll… I'll watch it on TV." 54:14.125 --> 54:16.753 [Donna] I had my son on one side, my daughter on the other. 54:17.254 --> 54:18.922 We were holding our breath. 54:22.092 --> 54:23.885 [foreperson] We the jury in the above entitled action 54:23.969 --> 54:26.596 find the defendant, Phillip Spector, 54:27.138 --> 54:30.183 guilty of the crime of second-degree murder of Lana Clarkson. 54:30.267 --> 54:31.768 [somber music playing] 54:34.062 --> 54:37.816 When they said guilty, it was like I could breathe, you know? 54:37.899 --> 54:42.821 I just couldn't believe… Finally, we have a verdict that was true. 54:43.738 --> 54:47.951 The family's pleased that the jury rejected the distortion 54:48.034 --> 54:50.412 and trashing of Lana Clarkson's life, 54:50.495 --> 54:52.080 which was a part of this trial, 54:52.163 --> 54:54.541 the past trial, and has been going on now for six years. 54:55.500 --> 54:59.546 No matter your fame, or your wealth, or your supposed celebrity, 55:00.630 --> 55:02.757 you will stand trial, 55:03.258 --> 55:05.468 and you will be accountable for your actions. 55:06.594 --> 55:10.473 This was the first celebrity conviction in 40 years. 55:10.557 --> 55:14.728 Obviously, that was a very, very big deal for everybody involved. 55:14.811 --> 55:16.896 It was nice to know 55:16.980 --> 55:20.191 that you could put on a case in Los Angeles 55:20.275 --> 55:24.195 against a well-funded, very powerful celebrity 55:24.696 --> 55:28.867 and have the satisfaction that the truth was gonna come out. 55:30.535 --> 55:32.912 [Lillienfeld] Mr. Spector got 19 years to life. 55:36.166 --> 55:37.167 There is the… 55:37.250 --> 55:41.755 not the rehabilitative part of the law, but the punishment part of law. 55:41.838 --> 55:44.924 Sit in your cell and think about what you've done 55:45.008 --> 55:48.053 the rest of your fucking life until the day you die 55:48.136 --> 55:49.929 and you're carried out in a casket. 55:50.013 --> 55:52.599 He's getting exactly what he deserves. 55:52.682 --> 55:54.684 [stirring music playing] 56:00.565 --> 56:02.567 [music trailing off] 56:02.650 --> 56:04.652 [pensive music playing] 56:07.364 --> 56:10.408 [Smith] I was gone before the case even went to the first trial. 56:10.492 --> 56:12.285 I left the job with PTSD. 56:13.703 --> 56:16.498 I was wound too tight for the job, honestly. 56:17.165 --> 56:19.125 Danny retired, uh, somewhat young. 56:20.627 --> 56:23.630 I think that Mark is the one that said one time, 56:23.713 --> 56:26.257 "Everyone's got their number of bodies." 56:26.758 --> 56:29.636 That number is different for everyone, but at some point, 56:29.719 --> 56:31.554 you've had your fill and you're done. 56:32.931 --> 56:35.892 [Lillienfeld] This job, it's a magnificent, wonderful job, 56:35.975 --> 56:39.104 and it's been great to me and my family, 56:39.187 --> 56:42.524 uh, but it's a very debilitating job. 56:42.607 --> 56:44.609 It is, uh, emotionally dangerous. 56:47.529 --> 56:49.697 [Smith] I've got friends who have committed suicide, 56:49.781 --> 56:52.283 other friends who have drank themselves to death, 56:52.367 --> 56:54.994 and it wasn't called suicide, but that's what it was. 56:56.371 --> 56:58.957 There's more law enforcement suicides every year 56:59.040 --> 57:01.126 than there are line of duty deaths. 57:01.209 --> 57:02.794 You know, It's significant. 57:03.378 --> 57:06.297 To do it as long as Mark did it, you have to be like Mark, 57:06.381 --> 57:09.300 where you really can let things glance off of you. 57:09.384 --> 57:11.386 [tense, cryptic music pulsing] 57:14.681 --> 57:16.474 [Lillienfeld] In 1994, 57:16.558 --> 57:19.894 I was still a young and new journeyman homicide detective. 57:19.978 --> 57:21.771 I've only been a murder cop two years. 57:22.355 --> 57:25.108 Myself and my new partner assumed control 57:25.191 --> 57:28.319 of the Mickey Thompson and Trudy Thompson murders. 57:28.403 --> 57:29.821 It's a high-profile case. 57:30.947 --> 57:35.326 Being into cars back then, I knew that Mickey Thompson was a legend. 57:35.410 --> 57:38.621 [reporter 1] His wife, Trudy, was also involved in promoting the events. 57:38.705 --> 57:41.374 [reporter 2] The ambush murders of Thompson and his wife, Trudy, 57:41.457 --> 57:43.918 in the driveway of the couple's Bradbury home… 57:44.002 --> 57:46.212 [woman] They went after her first. 57:46.296 --> 57:49.299 It was planned to torture my dad, and it did. 57:52.218 --> 57:54.220 [dramatic outro music pulsing] d, and it did.