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I did a documentary today
with this guy, Louis Theroux.

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Um, that took a majority of the day.

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I don't know who he is, but apparently,
he's a respected documentarian.

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Do you guys know who this is?

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Louis Theroux.

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Oh shit.

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Is he gonna do a hit piece on me?

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I don't know what Louis's move is,
but everyone's telling me

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he goes out of his way
to try to fuck people.

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So, I didn't really know that.
I think I handled it well so far.

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"Louis Theroux is gonna be
a full-on hit piece."

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Probably, mate.

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"Myron, you know this Brit cuck
is going to make a hit piece?"

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"He's so woke,
his wife makes him pee sitting down."

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He's like…
"What do you think Sneako's message is?"

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Do I sound like that?

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A little bit.

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A man who's not dangerous
will never be seen as successful.

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You can't be a little bitch.

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Men against women.
It's attack on masculinity.

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If your bitch is going to a club
when you said no…

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-I agree.
-…destroy her fucking life.

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A few years ago,

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I noticed that parts
of the Internet were being taken over…

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Yo, a lot of you need to wake up! Wake up!

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…by a collection of male influencers.

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We're like the last stand

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against this fucking bullshit
that's going on.

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They claimed to be giving young men

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the cheat codes to win at life.

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I made £6,000
before I got out of bed this morning.

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They had millions of followers.

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-Top G.
-Fuck the women!

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-What?
-All gays should die!

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-Fuck gays!
-What have I done?

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They boasted about having access
at the highest levels of power.

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Donald Trump is the future
of the Western world.

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And he's a good friend of mine.
I'm gonna help him.

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I became curious why some of them held

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such extreme beliefs.

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There is a war on men being strong.

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And whether they really were
what they seemed.

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I've now personally fucked 2,000 women,
which is quite an accomplishment.

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They were deeply mistrustful
of mainstream media,

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but after months of effort,

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I'd managed to find a way inside
the new world of men

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who were redefining
what it means to be a man.

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-Hey, we're looking for Harrison.
-He's through here.

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-Can we come in?
-Uh, one second. One second.

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Early 2025…

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-Here he is.
-Hello, hello.

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…after protracted negotiations,
I'd arranged two days of filming

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with an influencer
named Harrison Sullivan.

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-Permission to come aboard?
-You've got some big cameras.

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Of course we do. We're the real deal.

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We're not YouTubers.

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-How are you doing?
-Okay. Okay, then.

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-I like your setup.
-Professional videographer.

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-Are we content sharing? Filming.
-We are. We are, indeed.

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-We have cameras.
-Are you live?

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-No.
-No.

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-Are we all right to go in?
-100%, man.

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-Should we go in? Yeah.
-100%.

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So, this is my dishwasher over here.

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-My cleaner.
-I'm not the dishwasher.

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-Say hello. This is going on Netflix.
-Nice to meet you.

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-Louis. What's your name?
-Kacey.

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-I think I've seen you on the socials.
-Have you?

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Yeah, there was a clip you put up.
Do you do TikTok? What's your platform?

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Yeah, a little bit.
It's kacey._may on TikTok.

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-Yeah, I like that.
-Who else have we got?

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I'm… I'm known as The Naarn Slayer.

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And the reason I'm here
is 'cause Harrison chose me.

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-I was a fan, and I got flown out here.
-Are you part of the team?

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-I'm part of the team.
-What do you do?

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I also won the Range Rover giveaway
that Harrison did on YouTube.

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-Who else have we got?
-I've got close protection.

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Who's that?

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Oh!

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Okay.

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What the fuck are you doing
with your life?

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I'm waking up, my two-grand-a-night villa,
out in Ibiza,

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living the fucking life.

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Harrison streams
under the name HSTikkyTokky.

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Right, where's the muff at?

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Just 23, he's famous
for his offensive content…

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My name's Dora.

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Dora, Dora. Okay.
Okay. My name's "Sung-min."

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…and for showing off his riches
and physical prowess online.

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Lambo, B! Come on!

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Encouraging his fans to reject the system,

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which he calls the matrix, and follow him.

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Police in Surrey have launched an appeal
to find Harrison Sullivan,

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also known as HSTikkyTokky.

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The 23-year-old is…

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Since fleeing a car crash,
he'd been on the run,

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but remained massively popular
with his millions of followers,

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posting a constant stream of content,
much of it featuring female influencers.

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What is your favorite thing about me?

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Your money.

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Oh my God. Wow.

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Most people would know you
as a content creator.

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What would you say is the message?

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I… I coach boys how to be fucking boys,
how to make money, be outside the system,

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how to not have a boss
telling you what to do.

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I teach guys to be proper guys,
not these little soy boys,

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little gimps that walk around
in the modern day.

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Would you see me that way?

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Um…

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I'm not sure. I'd have to see how…
what your skills are.

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Did you look at my arms?

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Well, I just sort of
checked your… your… your stature out.

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-Did you?
-Yeah, yeah.

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-Go on.
-The stature's not saying too much.

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-Do you wanna get to the gym?
-Yeah, let's go. Definitely.

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All right, boys, so we're in the gym,

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filming a, uh, gym workout.

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Let's go.

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Now, this is a sick gym.
Training outside, it's, like… it's nice.

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Very nice. I like to start…
I normally train earlier in the day.

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I like to start my day working out,
doing hard things.

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-Who are you talking to?
-What? Do I not talk to them?

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-Not really.
-Talk to you?

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We're not on social media now.
This is a real documentary.

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This is TV.
This is the, uh, level up from that.

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Sorry. I forgot, mate.
I'm used to my mere social media life.

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-We just pretend those aren't there.
-Fair enough.

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So, I'm used to training
first thing in the morning.

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-Every day?
-Every day.

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Do you do a leg day?

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Yeah. Can you tell?

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Yeah. Silly question, that. Innit, mate?

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Calves need a little work.

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They do. They do.

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HS's content
on TikTok and Instagram is a gateway

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to a second level of social media,
his Telegram group,

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where he has
over half a million followers.

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Listen, if you wanna see
the behind the scenes,

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the shit I cannot put on YouTube
'cause it's too loose,

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get inside my Telegram.

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Here, there are links
to the accounts of X-rated performers

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on the subscription-based platform
OnlyFans.

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As well as content of scantily clad women,
there are also appeals to sign up to apps

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that offer financial services,
where you can follow HS's trading tips.

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I've just got in the apartment.
£10,000 in an hour and a half.

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What more do you need to see, you idiots?

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He regularly posts videos to his Telegram

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about his supposed financial success
and the way to achieve it.

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In both cases,
HS takes a cut of the income.

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Don't hesitate. Don't wait. You can
be making hundreds of pounds today,

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or you can still be doing
the same bullshit that you do.

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Send a message now. Let's go.

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I'm not gonna stop at small scale.

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By the time I'm, you know, your age,

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I'd like to have a hundreds of millions
valuated company, you know?

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Maybe even in the billions.

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Do you manage OnlyFans girls?

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I don't personally manage them,
but I bought an agency that does.

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Do I agree with it? No.

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Would I profit off it? Yeah.

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I'm a businessman, man.
I'm not doing it for fucking fun.

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Not what my daughter
will be involved with.

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-I'd disown my daughter. Like, then…
-Would you?

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-To say the least.
-If she done something like that?

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-That's easy to say.
-It disgusts me.

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-Same way if my son come out gay.
-What, seriously?

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Being gay nowadays
is considered quite normal.

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-Not my son.
-Why?

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Just not my son, innit?

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To say, like, you'd disown him,
that's a big statement.

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Did your values come
from your mum, mainly?

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No, my mum's very… My mum's different.

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My mum would be disappointed
that I said that.

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-Really?
-Yeah. She hates racism.

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She hates, like, homophobia.

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-Sexism?
-Sexism? She hates sexism.

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She hates all that shit.
So if I was like, uh…

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Like, the women cleaning and that.
I wouldn't say that around my mum.

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-Really?
-I'd get a slap.

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-Go in the garden? Show you?
-Sure. Why not?

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It's a nice, nice base.

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How did you come up?

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So, I was at university.
I was with my friend Ed.

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We were just trying to make content

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and trying to think of a way
how we could make money.

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I went from zero
to making about £1,000 a day overnight.

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-On what?
-Fitness plans, fitness programs.

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Made £1,000 a day.
Within two weeks, I was like,

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"Right, I'm gonna go to Marbella
and try and stream and become big."

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£1,000 to £3,000 a day,
and then it just went up.

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-That's what it was.
-You were a salesman at that point?

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I've always been a salesman.
I'm a salesman now.

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Sales is the most important skill
you can have.

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You're never gonna be ultra-successful
if you can't sell.

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But there was a time
when you were putting out

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cheeky content that was going viral.

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-How does that fit into the picture?
-That's content.

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We live in an attention economy.
So that gets attention.

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And with the attention,
I can get more fame, monetize.

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-And monetize the fame.
-Yes, exactly.

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Does the term "matrix" mean anything
to you?

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The system, higher powers,

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the colluding powers
at the top of the world

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that want to keep everyone down,
broke, keep the slave mindset going.

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-That's what that means to me.
-Is that real?

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'Course it's real. 'Course it's real.

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The people at the top of the world,
why would they want people below them

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to make a load of money
and not serve them?

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It doesn't make sense.

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It was the next day,

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and a clip that someone
on HS's team had posted

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of me filming him had gone viral.

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"Netflix, coming soon.
Very interesting discussions with Louis."

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"Will be interested to see
how he tries to rip me,

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considering the numbers and evidence shown

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to support my business
and network are monumental."

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The comments were mainly scathing,
about him and his financial products.

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I hoped they wouldn't worry HS too much.

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-All right?
-How are you doing?

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-Hello.
-Hi, Sam. Hi, Harrison. How are you doing?

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-How are you?
-No need to get up. Thank you.

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Hi.

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Another shot.

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That was outside.

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-How are you doing?
-Pretty good.

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I went to bed late 'cause I was out
getting content last night.

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Got a video of me getting sucked off

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in the toilet of a club here
if you wanna see that.

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-No, you didn't.
-Bet you'd like to see that.

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Did he?

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-This happened?
-Last night, today, 1:20.

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What's the location?

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-The toilet.
-Up the strip.

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-Did she know she was being filmed?
-Of course she did, yeah.

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-And she didn't mind?
-Didn't mind.

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What's that all about?

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Clout.

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Why does that help her
to be seen to be giving you a blowjob?

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I don't know why it may help her.

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You know, you'd have to ask her.

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We're on the 'gram now.

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There I am,
announcing a Netflix documentary.

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Yeah. I saw it. It's gone up 300K views.

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The comment was along the lines of,
"Documentary following me around."

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"They might be trying to rip me.
We'll see."

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"Interested to see how it turns out."

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Yeah, I'm actually…
I'm very interested to see.

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-Mm.
-Me too.

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Very.

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Yeah.

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Are you all right?
You got funny energy today.

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-So do you.
-Do I?

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The plan for the day was to join HS

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as he did live streams around Marbella
and maybe see a yacht party.

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-All right?
-Nice to meet you.

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First, we connected
with his friend, Ed Matthews,

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who'd just flown in from London.

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-Hello.
-What's happening, brother?

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-How long you been here?
-Just got here.

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-Fucking hell. Be careful.
-Good to see you. The boys are back.

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Be careful of this fella, mate.

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He looks nice.
He looks like he's a friend.

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-He's trying to turn the tables now.
-The evil smile.

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-"The evil…"?
-"The evil," that's a bit strong.

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-That is very, very strong, mate.
-The evil smile, mate.

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All right, boys,
we're gonna test out the punch machine.

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Show you how it's done, mate.

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Ed came up making videos
for TikTok and YouTube

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as a kind of Robin to HS's Batman.

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All right. We're about to drop some game
on the beach.

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-These two with their boyfriends.
-All right.

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Get it on film.
They're with their boyfriends.

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We're actually finding
the most tartiest outfits.

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I think you're competing, darling.

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His content combined fitness,
online flirting, and conspiracy theories.

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Aliens definitely helped build
the pyramids

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by the way they're aligned
with the stars, yeah?

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They might come for me
if I start talking about this shit.

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We're two minutes away from his house.
We're gonna sting him right now.

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Recently, he'd been livestreaming
doing so-called "predator stings."

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We've got the fuck-off microphone.

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So, if he ain't answering
'cause he's scared,

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I'll shout down his fucking door!

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There's no escaping Ed Matty, bruv.

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He would confront and humiliate people

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he accused of being predators.

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Who's the next predator? I can't lie.
This one's gonna be madder than that one.

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In several recent encounters,
Ed forced them to eat pet food.

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Go on. Get that down you, mate.

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Good fucking boy.

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And how does the humiliation help?

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Just… because this will…
this will last forever.

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And they'll always…

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So this is worse than going to jail,
I reckon.

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Is that a paedo?

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Did you hear that? "Is that a paedo?"

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No. This is Louis Theroux, mate.
Not a paedo.

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Thank you. Appreciate that.

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Just so they know
you're not getting stung right now.

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By now, HS was keeping himself scarce,

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possibly troubled
by the comments that had come in,

15:04.278 --> 15:06.739
saying he'd be exposed in my documentary.

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You all right, girls? Having a good night?

15:09.617 --> 15:12.077
The plan for a yacht party
had gone out the window,

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so instead, we joined Ed

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while he chatted up girls
on the streets of Marbella.

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You all right, darling?
Having a good night?

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My dad is a 50-year-old virgin.

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-I'm looking for a bit of dark chocolate.
-So, come to my lodge.

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Yeah?
You like white chocolate, then, yeah?

15:27.301 --> 15:31.221
The aim for content like this is
that short clips get shared and go viral.

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You want my Instagram,
or you want my Instagram? What one?

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Both at the same time?

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Trio?

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Everywhere Ed went,
he was approached by young fans.

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-Where you guys from?
-Iceland!

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-Iceland, yeah?
-Yeah!

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-Ed, you're the king. You're the king.
-I love that.

15:50.532 --> 15:53.202
-How long have you been doing YouTube?
-Like two weeks. Just started.

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-Really?
-You're one of my inspirations.

15:54.995 --> 15:57.581
-Well, good luck.
-Whose mother is that?

15:57.665 --> 15:59.667
-She's mine.
-Is she single?

15:59.750 --> 16:01.251
-No, fuck off.
-She's not single.

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Oh, all right. Have a good day.

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Now, that was uncalled for.

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Sometimes I drop game, and I think,
"There was no need for that."

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At the end of the night,
I managed to grab a final moment with HS.

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So, I've just had a important call.

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I need to go to Dubai in the morning.
But it's been a pleasure meeting you.

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-Are we good? For real?
-We're good. Of course we're good.

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'Cause sometimes I'm not too sure.

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It's a shame I couldn't stay out later,
but I need to sleep.

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-See you later.
-Thanks a lot. See you later.

16:30.072 --> 16:31.407
-See you later.
-See you later.

16:31.907 --> 16:34.660
See you later, OC, yeah?

16:34.743 --> 16:35.744
All right.

16:35.828 --> 16:37.830
A lot of you people on TikTok are saying,

16:37.913 --> 16:40.791
"Oh, Louis Theroux's gonna finish you
in this documentary."

16:40.874 --> 16:45.212
In the days after I left HS,
he seemed to brood on our encounter.

16:45.295 --> 16:47.756
I was struck by his level of suspicion.

16:47.840 --> 16:51.552
Maybe that's his game, to act like
he's your mate and then just fuck you.

16:51.635 --> 16:53.053
You know, it probably is.

16:53.637 --> 16:54.847
But I was also curious

16:54.930 --> 16:57.474
about this strange new world
he seemed to embody,

16:58.100 --> 17:01.895
using extreme content
with global reach to sell products.

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If you're watching this,
and you wanna level your life up,

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you wanna be free,
send a message to the app below right now.

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I looked into his investment group.

17:10.404 --> 17:13.866
The broker firms he promoted
received terrible reviews.

17:13.949 --> 17:16.535
Don't ever say that I'm a scammer.
Don't ever say…

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HS takes a cut of whatever you put in,

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even if you lose money.

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…and I show you.

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I opened an account and put in £500.

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I'd been learning
about his ideological forefathers,

17:34.845 --> 17:37.347
the community
of ultra-masculine influencers

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sometimes called the manosphere.

17:40.809 --> 17:44.313
And so I'd come
to its spiritual home, Miami.

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Much of the manosphere is made up

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of relatively uncontroversial comedians
and podcasters

17:51.320 --> 17:56.325
who broadcast about women, fitness,
and wealth to a mainly male audience.

17:57.367 --> 18:01.455
But at its edges is a community
of more extreme content creators.

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It was this world and its motivations
I was most intrigued by.

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Gentlemen, how are you guys doing?

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-How are you?
-Good to see you.

18:12.633 --> 18:14.718
-Louis. Nice to meet you.
-Justin Waller. Very nice.

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-Thanks. You look like a million bucks.
-Ah.

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Maybe half a million. Maybe half.

18:25.312 --> 18:27.147
Justin Waller is a businessman

18:27.231 --> 18:30.400
and success coach
from Baton Rouge, Louisiana,

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with more than a million followers
on Instagram.

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I give the best advice
I can possibly give to young men.

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Women aren't as feminist as you think.

18:39.827 --> 18:42.788
You think she won't leave you
for that buff dude? Promise you she will.

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Most women don't know what they want,
and I don't think it's their fault.

18:46.208 --> 18:49.211
He shares pictures of himself
in sharp, tailored suits

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with big muscles and expensive watches.

18:51.797 --> 18:55.759
This, in turn, funnels his fans
to business-advice products.

18:55.843 --> 18:57.136
In his media appearances,

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he often mentions his lifestyle
of romance with multiple partners.

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I love women. Let me be clear about this.

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In fact, I have quite the reputation
for loving 'em too much.

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Yeah!

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Nice. Very nice.

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Okay, but let me be very clear about it.
That car is not success. I wanna say that.

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-Mm-hmm.
-That car… Fuck that car.

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I might be an asshole in some areas,

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or people might not agree
with some views I have,

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but I'm not so foolish
to believe that's success.

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-So let's not make too big a thing of it.
-Just on the record.

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-I got it. Thank you.
-'Cause I don't. That's all. Yes, sir.

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I've left my phone upstairs.

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-Wanna come with me?
-Why not?

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-My girl.
-Hi.

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Wow, this is a nice spot.

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-Beautiful at dusk.
-I bet.

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Yeah. Beautiful at dusk.

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But this is my small place.

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This is kinda where I go
to get away and do all my work.

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My kids and everybody,
they're in Aventura.

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-It's very friendly-friendly.
-Mm-hm.

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Family-friendly.

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-So, how many kids have you got?
-I've got… I've got some.

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Yeah.

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-You know how many you've got, right?
-Yeah. I think so.

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What's the number?

20:04.244 --> 20:06.663
It's two. I have two.
Yeah, I got two little girls.

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-Are you with their mum?
-Yes.

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-Yeah.
-Absolutely. Yeah.

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-Are you married?
-No.

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I'm gonna get smoke for this. I always do.

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Everybody gets mad
when they ask about my relationship.

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Are you saying
you're not in a monogamous relationship?

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-One-sided monogamy. Yeah.
-Mm-hmm.

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Women don't wanna sleep with other men
when they love a man.

20:25.015 --> 20:26.683
One-sided monogamy means what?

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It means like…

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See, here we go. Here we go.
Setting me up.

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My… The mother of my children,
the woman that I'm with,

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she doesn't talk to other men.

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So…

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Stings, huh?

20:45.452 --> 20:47.245
-You seem upset by it.
-It doesn't sting.

20:47.329 --> 20:49.665
You seem upset by it.
People get so upset about this.

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It's interesting you thought I was upset.
I just thought it was a resonant moment.

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I notice that people get very angry
with me about this subject.

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-Do I seem angry?
-No, but you do seem to be digging.

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So…

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-We gotta get into some real stuff, right?
-We should.

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-Yeah.
-Yeah.

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Let me tell you another thing.
I don't promote it.

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I don't believe that every man should
go out and have a bunch of women

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or have his wife have threesomes
with his girlfriends.

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-Now--
-Is that something you do as well?

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Yeah, of course. I'm hiding nothing.

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I refuse to. I refuse to.

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I refuse to.

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You've made the right decision.

21:26.118 --> 21:29.037
The Real World
is the number one school in the world.

21:29.871 --> 21:33.208
Justin also has a Telegram group
where he sells subscriptions

21:33.292 --> 21:37.296
to a so-called online university,
The Real World,

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set up by his close friends,

21:38.588 --> 21:41.633
the infamous brothers
Andrew and Tristan Tate,

21:41.717 --> 21:45.012
who have been charged
with human trafficking offenses in Romania

21:45.095 --> 21:46.555
but deny the charges.

21:47.097 --> 21:48.974
In the Real World,
you learn to make money.

21:49.057 --> 21:51.810
We have 18 professors
that are absolutely multimillionaires

21:51.893 --> 21:53.979
in the business they're teaching you
in real time.

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It's like a cheat code.

21:55.272 --> 21:57.733
A 14-year-old kid
made three grand the other day.

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I cannot believe this 13-year-old
is making more money than his parents.

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-I'm in the Telegram group.
-Nice.

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It says, "Join now."

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"Jointherealworld.com."

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So, if people click on it and sign up,
how much are they gonna pay?

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-It's like $50--
-$49 a month. $49.99 a month.

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And then you get a small sign-up fee?
That's part of the model.

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Yes, sir.

22:23.675 --> 22:25.677
How had you heard about them?
How had you heard--

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YouTube. I saw Andrew on YouTube.

22:27.804 --> 22:30.932
I remember laughing so hard
and punching my steering wheel,

22:31.016 --> 22:33.018
and there's a little dent
in the Ford logo,

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because he was saying things
I'd been saying to people for a long time.

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Things like what?

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A lot of people believe

22:39.608 --> 22:44.029
that men and women want to be
equal partners in a relationship.

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That's really not true.

22:45.364 --> 22:48.033
You wanna be the hero,
the person that saves the day,

22:48.116 --> 22:51.036
that creates a life for them
better than any life they could ever have.

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I want to go get a tea anyway in Wynwood.

22:57.793 --> 22:59.628
-Yeah, let's do that.
-All right, cool.

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Justin! Justin! Justin!

23:02.380 --> 23:03.298
What's up?

23:03.381 --> 23:04.591
-Doing all right?
-All right?

23:04.674 --> 23:06.051
-How you doing?
-Good.

23:06.134 --> 23:07.052
-Thanks, G.
-Nice.

23:07.135 --> 23:08.887
-Going for a ride?
-I'm down.

23:08.970 --> 23:09.888
Let's do it.

23:09.971 --> 23:11.515
What you doing, playboy?

23:11.598 --> 23:16.144
Like HS, Justin was attempting
to leverage his online notoriety

23:16.228 --> 23:18.480
and a parasocial connection
with his male fans…

23:18.563 --> 23:19.523
Take it straight.

23:19.606 --> 23:21.983
…into a marketing opportunity.

23:22.067 --> 23:25.278
-Appreciate it, man. Thank you.
-You wanna sit and have tea?

23:25.362 --> 23:26.696
-Definitely.
-Right.

23:27.322 --> 23:28.240
Can I say hi?

23:28.323 --> 23:29.199
-Matthew.
-Matthew.

23:29.282 --> 23:30.617
-Chris. Yeah.
-Chris. Louis.

23:30.700 --> 23:32.410
-How do you know Justin?
-I see his videos.

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-He's one of my greatest role models.
-Yeah.

23:35.372 --> 23:37.582
-You teach a lot of…
-100%. Him, Andrew Tate.

23:37.666 --> 23:39.584
-Andrew Tate, yeah.
-Tristan Tate, the brothers…

23:39.668 --> 23:42.504
They're all… They're all
a big inspiration to all of us.

23:42.587 --> 23:44.339
What's the message?
What do you get from it?

23:44.423 --> 23:46.091
I just think it's to never give up.

23:46.174 --> 23:50.387
Life as a man, you're born without value.
We have to build that value.

23:50.470 --> 23:53.140
What do you mean,
life as a man, you're born without value?

23:53.223 --> 23:54.307
It's…

23:54.391 --> 23:56.101
Nothing in the world is given to you.

23:56.184 --> 23:58.019
-You have to work for every penny.
-100%.

23:58.103 --> 24:00.021
-Do women have it hard?
-I think…

24:00.105 --> 24:02.899
-They're born with value through beauty.
-Exactly.

24:02.983 --> 24:05.861
Because a woman can be
stunningly beautiful at 20 years old

24:05.944 --> 24:08.864
and get invited to ride in that car,
or onto a boat,

24:08.947 --> 24:11.741
or be flying to Miami or whatever
because it's pure beauty.

24:11.825 --> 24:15.287
Nobody's gonna invite him
on a trip to Miami.

24:15.370 --> 24:16.830
They're not gonna fly him out.

24:16.913 --> 24:20.333
He has to create value in the world.
He has to be valuable to other men.

24:20.417 --> 24:22.085
-Exactly.
-Otherwise, nobody cares.

24:22.169 --> 24:24.045
-Exactly. You said it.
-And that's a fact.

24:24.129 --> 24:26.882
I wanna say to your face,
thank you so much. Like…

24:26.965 --> 24:29.676
For me, you're one of
my biggest role models, man.

24:29.759 --> 24:32.846
Two things I tell anybody that stops me.
Number one, I love you.

24:32.929 --> 24:33.805
-Yeah.
-Appreciate it.

24:33.889 --> 24:36.349
And there's nothing in this world
you can't do.

24:36.433 --> 24:37.767
We're in this shit together.

24:38.560 --> 24:44.566
I get stopped every day by a young man
that tells me that I changed his life.

24:45.150 --> 24:47.277
The content put out
by Justin and his peers

24:47.360 --> 24:49.905
pushes an ideology known as the red pill.

24:49.988 --> 24:54.326
And you see the amount of bullshit
the modern Western man has to put up with?

24:55.452 --> 24:58.163
They take the phrase
from the movie The Matrix.

24:58.246 --> 25:00.499
What is the red pill?
Can you explain this to me?

25:00.582 --> 25:02.626
It's seeing the truth
for what it really is.

25:03.418 --> 25:06.588
Claiming to have seen through
the mainstream media's brainwashing

25:06.671 --> 25:09.883
about gender relations
and its discrimination against men.

25:09.966 --> 25:11.635
Red pill aware. This is what it is.

25:11.718 --> 25:15.972
The red pill is a necessary antidote
and counterweight to feminism.

25:16.056 --> 25:18.975
In the unregulated new media landscape,

25:19.059 --> 25:22.145
they share their unfiltered views
on hundreds of podcasts,

25:22.229 --> 25:24.731
which are clipped up
and disseminated across the internet.

25:24.814 --> 25:26.024
Those stories are always there.

25:28.610 --> 25:32.489
I was on my way to an appointment
with one of its most notorious figures,

25:32.572 --> 25:33.949
Amrou Fudl.

25:34.491 --> 25:37.160
You are born with your value.
We must create our value.

25:37.244 --> 25:38.787
How are we born with our value?

25:38.870 --> 25:41.373
You literally have a vagina and titties.
You are born with value.

25:41.456 --> 25:42.499
Like, you're dead!

25:42.582 --> 25:45.293
A former agent
for the Department of Homeland Security,

25:45.377 --> 25:48.421
about five years ago,
he took to streaming and podcasting

25:48.505 --> 25:51.883
under the name Myron Gaines,
amassing a huge following.

25:51.967 --> 25:53.260
I don't think women should vote.

25:53.343 --> 25:55.845
I don't think women should be
in the military or law enforcement.

25:55.929 --> 25:57.264
Like Justin, he boasts

25:57.347 --> 26:01.184
about his one-way monogamous relationship
with his girlfriend.

26:01.268 --> 26:03.812
I do what the **** I wanna do.
She's loyal to me.

26:03.895 --> 26:05.730
It's monogamous on her end,
open on my end.

26:05.814 --> 26:08.942
She packs my ******* condoms
when I travel. That's how real it is.

26:15.740 --> 26:18.326
-How you doing? Nice to meet you. Louis.
-Nice to meet you.

26:18.410 --> 26:20.120
-Myron, right?
-Nice to meet you.

26:20.203 --> 26:23.081
Myron tends to be suspicious
of mainstream media,

26:23.164 --> 26:27.419
but after lengthy access conversations,
he'd agreed to meet me at his apartment.

26:28.086 --> 26:29.796
-Here we go.
-Yeah, right here.

26:29.879 --> 26:33.174
Welcome to the headquarters, gentlemen.
This is where we do all the filming.

26:33.258 --> 26:35.218
Where do you actually live live,
though?

26:35.302 --> 26:38.805
If you're actually just gonna chill
with your girlfriend and watch TV?

26:38.888 --> 26:40.807
I got my stuff back over there.

26:40.890 --> 26:42.851
-Are we allowed in there?
-I got my room.

26:42.934 --> 26:45.020
Once she comes and cleans,
I'll show you guys.

26:45.103 --> 26:46.688
-All right.
-She's gonna come and clean.

26:46.771 --> 26:49.065
-Wait, can I set up real quick? I wanna…
-Please.

26:50.442 --> 26:52.777
Recording on my end,
but I'm not gonna do anything with it.

26:52.861 --> 26:54.446
-That's fine.
-Great.

26:55.155 --> 26:56.531
Is that insurance for you?

26:56.615 --> 26:59.034
Well, here's the thing.
When you're controversial,

26:59.117 --> 27:00.910
people try to make hit pieces on you.

27:00.994 --> 27:04.789
This is kind of a big reason why
the mainstream media has lost credibility

27:04.873 --> 27:08.126
is because of this disingenuine reporting
on individuals.

27:08.710 --> 27:09.919
Got it. Um…

27:10.003 --> 27:13.506
Knowing I was gonna see you today,
I sort of went through

27:13.590 --> 27:16.926
some of the more controversial content
that you've put out.

27:17.010 --> 27:19.971
-Sure.
-Over the last couple years, let's say.

27:20.055 --> 27:21.973
Would you be all right
talking about some of that

27:22.057 --> 27:25.310
if I mentioned a few things
that, if I'm honest, I was shocked by?

27:25.393 --> 27:26.311
-Sure.
-Is that fair?

27:26.394 --> 27:28.313
Then I'm doing my job correctly, then.

27:28.396 --> 27:29.856
-Ready?
-Yup.

27:29.939 --> 27:31.107
Bitch, we ain't equal!

27:31.733 --> 27:34.569
I'm the dictator. You are the subordinate.

27:35.320 --> 27:37.530
I dictate
when I want to put dick in you, bitch.

27:37.614 --> 27:40.867
And then you dictate
when the sandwiches come by my dictation.

27:40.950 --> 27:42.118
That's how this goes.

27:42.202 --> 27:45.789
And women love guys like this,
that tell them what it is.

27:45.872 --> 27:49.501
This isn't open to interpretation,
or how you feel, or what you think.

27:49.584 --> 27:51.127
It doesn't matter what you think!

27:51.211 --> 27:52.962
"I dictate when I put my dick in you"?

27:53.046 --> 27:55.006
Yeah, yeah. So, do I literally mean,

27:55.090 --> 27:58.009
"Oh, yeah. I want to smash right now,
and you're on your period."

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And she's like, "I don't wanna do it now."
That's fine. Obviously, you don't do it.

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But I need guys to have this mindset
where it's like you're the leader.

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You're assertive, dominant,
the dictator of the relationship.

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What you say goes.

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Do you… do you consider yourself
a misogynist?

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No, because, um, misogyny would be
the hatred of women. I would argue I am…

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I… I love women,
and actually understand them.

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So, since I understand them,
I know what's best for them.

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You think you know better than they do?

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Yes, in many ways. Yeah.
That's how women want it.

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They want a guy
that can lead and dominate them.

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-Your girlfriend's named Angie, right?
-Yeah.

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And then do you have,
like, a rotation of other women?

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I wouldn't say a rotation,
like, right now.

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I do… I do want to get multiple wives,
but right now,

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I'm just focusing on building things up
for this year, especially.

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Multiple wives, really?

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Oh, hey, there's Angie right there.

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Should we meet Angie?

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Uh, yeah. She's, uh…

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Angie, can we say hi?

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-Hi!
-We'll keep it short, though, for her.

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Hi. Louis. Nice to meet you.
How do you do?

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I'm doing okay. Yeah.

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What attracted you to Myron?

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I say to my friends and to people
that always question our relationship

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that Myron is somebody
in front of the cameras,

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but behind them is somebody else with me,

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and I love him very much,

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and I will love him
as long as we're together.

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-Come here, baby.
-Yeah.

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-Five stars on Yelp.
-Yeah, five stars?

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Yeah. Five stars on Yelp, yeah.

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-Yeah.
-Yeah.

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But no, I'm happy to have her by my side.
She's been great, really helpful.

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So, one of the things we've been talking
about is relations between men and women.

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Myron's been quite open about the fact
that he expects to be in a relationship

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in which there's one-way monogamy,
as he calls it.

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He's allowed to basically pursue
other relationships…

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-So, our open relationship?
-Mm-hmm. But you're not.

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The women that he sleeps with,

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he's just gonna be with them
for a night or so or whatever,

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but I don't… I don't think
he sees me that way because I…

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There is a reason
why I've stayed so long with him.

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-I don't wanna mix things up between you.
-Yeah.

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But we were talking about,
in the future, maybe there's a world

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where you would have
more than one wife, right?

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She understands that.

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She knows that that could potentially
come down in the future.

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What do you say about that?

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Uh, I don't know.

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I mean, he has said that in the past.

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Uh, I think when…
I'll see when it happens.

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Like, I don't know how that will work.
The thing is that I think--

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But it's not gonna be anytime soon
because I'm just so focused on working.

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-But it could happen?
-It could.

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You can kick it down the road
only so long.

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She's put two years into a relationship.
If that's your long-term plan,

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at some point,
those two realities will collide.

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That's a bridge we'll cross
when we get there. Now--

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What does that mean? That's so avoidant.

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-It's something… You never know, man.
-It's just--

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You can always change your mind
down the road.

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Who knows? Maybe I'll say
I only wanna be with one girl

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'cause two would be too tough.

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You've backtracked on that already?

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Some people
in this part of the culture, right,

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who advocates for the idea of the 1% male,
that ultimate masculine…

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-Can you take him into the room?
-Sure.

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-That he's some--
-Frank, go with her. Sorry.

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Also, I need…
If you could clean up the room too.

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-Yeah.
-I need some help, yeah, with that.

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Was that okay, by the way?
I always feel weird like…

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-No. It's cool.
-It's awkward, though.

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-No. I--
-What did you feel? It felt awkward.

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No, not at all. No.
Angie, like… She's with me--

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I don't think
she's as on board as you are.

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-On board with what?
-You know what.

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-Just the idea of other ladies.
-No, we've had these discussions.

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-I saw a little bit of pain in her.
-No.

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-No, definitely.
-No.

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-Yes.
-No.

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-Definitely. Yeah.
-No, no. She's fine.

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You don't think if I said to her,
"You would have Myron all to yourself,

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would you rather have that?"

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You don't think she would say,
"100%, of course"?

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She'd say, "Whatever makes him happy."
That's what she would say.

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You know, the time I do have,
I spend with her if I'm with any woman.

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Is that open? You've locked it.

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No, I didn't.

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-Thank you.
-Yeah, no.

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I wasn't fucking with you, though.

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I'd been hoping to understand
a little more about Justin

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and how he came to believe
what he believed.

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I think a lot of people assume
that I'm unhappy and I'll never know love.

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-Why would they assume that?
-'Cause of my views or sexual preference.

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If me and my wife have
a bunch of girlfriends,

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or let's say three or four girlfriends,

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then all of a sudden,
somehow, I must not be happy.

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There's a few of 'em that are die-hard,
tattooing my name on 'em.

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Why would they do that?

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-Why would they do what?
-Tattoo your name on them.

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Probably 'cause they saw it
on my… my wife.

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I'd done some digging
into Justin's background,

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growing up in a small town in Louisiana.

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Becoming a college football star,
then founding RedIron Construction.

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He leveraged his image as a steel magnate
into podcast appearances.

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But how much of it was exactly
as described was hard to know.

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My man! How y'all doing?

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He'd offered to show me
his main apartment,

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where he lived with his other half
and their two daughters.

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Your wife, you prefer
she's kept off-camera, correct?

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-1,000%.
-And the kids too.

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I wanna protect my family, you know?

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Like any man
would wanna protect his family.

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They'd all moved there
a few months earlier from Baton Rouge

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while Justin tried to grow
his social media brand

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and build contacts
with Trump's inner circle.

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I had dinner with Barron.

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-Where?
-At Mar-a-Lago.

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-At Mar-a-Lago? Did you?
-I met Donald that night. Yeah.

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But I've been to Mar-a-Lago
four or five times.

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-These windows are incredible.
-It's beautiful.

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How much did it set you back?

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-This?
-Or is it a rental?

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Oh no, I rent this place.

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By the time I pay all the bills,
20 grand a month.

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How much are you worth, would you say?

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The last time I checked,
it was well over 30.

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-Thirty…?
-Million. Yeah.

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So I'm not as rich as a lot of these guys,
but, you know, I'm doing okay.

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You guys gotta see upstairs.

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-So--
-And that's your pool down there?

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Yeah.

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People ask me, "Why Miami?"

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And I tell 'em because,
if it was 120 years ago,

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I'd be on a horse on the way to California
to dig for gold. It's in me. I love it.

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It feels like, whether you call it
the red pill community or the manosphere,

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that it's seeking
to maybe correct something,

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to redress a change in the culture.

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I believe that the world
really took a swing in the wrong direction

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when it comes to it being acceptable

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for a man to have a masculine energy
about him, to be strong.

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It got called toxic.

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And you mix that with feminism,
and we've asked women to become men.

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You know, men build…
invent, build, and maintain society.

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That's a fact, you know, and… and…

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-Don't women do that too?
-Uh, I don't… Look around.

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Can you name anything that a woman
has invented and built in our plain sight?

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-Around here?
-Nothing.

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Men built all these buildings.
They engineered 'em. They designed them.

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Do we definitely know that?

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-It is a fact.
-There are many--

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There's nothing wrong with that, though.
That's the other point.

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People think that we don't like women.
I love women.

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Are you okay
with girls, women wanting to be

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-architects, astronauts, entrepreneurs?
-Absolutely. Hell, yeah.

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If that's what they want.

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-But you think they don't want that.
-I think some of them do.

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But I think, by and largely,

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these women are looking for husbands
and want to have families.

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You're not a tall guy,
and you take care of fitness,

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and you have a certain reputation
in your town,

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and you make money, I'll be fucking damned

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if you can't have one of the finest women
in that town or maybe two.

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Maybe you don't come to Miami
and pull Miami tens,

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but I'll be damned if you can't pull
a couple eights or nines

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in a small town in America.

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And I know this
'cause I've built steel buildings

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all over the fucking country.

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They are there, bro.

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Nothing in this world can stop you
from getting what you want.

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You just have to nut the fuck up
and go get it.

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Yeah.

36:32.231 --> 36:34.442
-He says you just have to…
-Man up.

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Did he say, "Nut the fuck up"?

36:36.194 --> 36:37.528
-Shut up and nut up.
-Yeah.

36:37.612 --> 36:39.989
-Shut up and nut up?
-It's tough love.

36:40.072 --> 36:42.950
At a Miami beach,
I was with Mattie and Chris,

36:43.034 --> 36:45.953
the two fans of Justin's
I'd met at the tea place.

36:46.037 --> 36:47.872
I was hoping to understand a little more

36:47.955 --> 36:51.250
of what they appreciated
in the manosphere content.

36:51.334 --> 36:53.628
That mindset of Justin Waller,

36:53.711 --> 36:55.755
it inspires young men,
especially like myself,

36:55.838 --> 36:58.424
who maybe didn't have
that male figure in the house.

36:58.507 --> 37:00.635
As a man,
nobody's gonna give you a handout.

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If I'm living in the street,

37:02.678 --> 37:04.931
why am I gonna wait
for somebody to fix my life

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when I can fix my own life?

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-This hand gesture…
-Yeah.

37:08.226 --> 37:11.520
I've seen Andrew Tate doing that
in interviews. I never knew what it meant.

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-It's to do with the matrix?
-Yeah.

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Do you know…
There's a term called the matrix.

37:17.652 --> 37:23.866
So, basically, yes, we're… we're born to…
to just accept what society gives to you.

37:24.367 --> 37:27.662
And what he promotes is saying that,
no, you have to refuse it.

37:27.745 --> 37:30.706
Refuse that,
and you accomplish your own goals.

37:30.790 --> 37:33.501
I'm going to help my mother.
I'm gonna give generational wealth

37:33.584 --> 37:34.877
to my kids, to my mother,

37:34.961 --> 37:38.464
to my… to everybody else,
and there's nothing that can hold me back.

37:38.547 --> 37:40.883
-No 9-to-5 job is gonna give you that.
-Exactly.

37:40.967 --> 37:43.219
-That's "the matrix."
-That's "the matrix," the job.

37:43.302 --> 37:44.637
-That box.
-That box.

37:44.720 --> 37:46.681
That you're going to work every day,

37:46.764 --> 37:49.934
and you're sacrificing a better life
for you and your loved ones.

37:50.017 --> 37:51.978
People don't want to…

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They don't wanna see,
like, an empowerment of men.

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'Cause it's a threat.

38:05.449 --> 38:08.661
Mattie had moved to Miami
two years earlier to make it big,

38:08.744 --> 38:10.454
but it hadn't been easy.

38:10.538 --> 38:11.539
Come on.

38:12.164 --> 38:14.458
Recently, he'd been homeless.

38:15.126 --> 38:17.128
You were in your car for a while,
living in your car?

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Yeah. That was in the past,

38:18.546 --> 38:21.424
but lucky enough that, uh…
that God pulled me out of that.

38:21.507 --> 38:24.844
I was feeling sorry for myself.
I was like, I'm in a losing position,

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and I'm crying every night.

38:26.345 --> 38:29.181
I have no food to eat.
But I could do one of two things.

38:29.265 --> 38:33.811
Either keep complaining about my position
or start thinking solutions-based.

38:33.894 --> 38:35.980
Maybe start changing the perspective,
how I see it.

38:36.063 --> 38:39.734
Maybe… As men, we're meant to suffer.
We're not meant to be happy.

38:39.817 --> 38:42.111
We learn more in our failures
than in our wins.

38:42.611 --> 38:45.114
-And we don't believe in depression also.
-Meaning?

38:45.197 --> 38:46.324
We don't believe in it.

38:46.407 --> 38:48.659
You know, the average person
that has everything

38:48.743 --> 38:51.287
that they need to exceed in life,
yet you're still depressed,

38:51.370 --> 38:53.247
yet you're still feeling sorry
for yourself…

38:53.330 --> 38:54.665
Like, you have the tools you need.

38:54.749 --> 38:56.667
My brother passed away.

38:56.751 --> 38:58.127
I had moments where I was sad,

38:58.210 --> 39:00.379
but I tried to turn it
into something positive.

39:00.463 --> 39:02.381
-How did he die?
-Um…

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He… he took his own life.
But what I'm saying is that's in the past.

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And I have to use that,

39:08.095 --> 39:11.891
and I have to become great,
not only for myself, but for my brother.

39:16.812 --> 39:19.273
For the first time,
I felt I'd had an insight

39:19.357 --> 39:23.694
into how the masculinist messaging
offered direction and a sense of hope

39:23.778 --> 39:25.988
to people facing difficulties.

39:28.282 --> 39:32.203
But I was also struck
by the distrust that came with it.

39:32.286 --> 39:37.708
The idea of a matrix purposely designed
to make men fail.

39:39.001 --> 39:40.669
-How's it looking?
-Looks great.

39:50.763 --> 39:53.265
Smartest dog in Miami right here,
this guy.

39:53.849 --> 39:56.602
I'd arranged to go on Myron's podcast.

39:58.479 --> 39:59.772
Frank, open the door.

40:00.481 --> 40:02.024
Given it is widely viewed

40:02.108 --> 40:05.861
as one of the most poisonous shows
in the entire manosphere,

40:05.945 --> 40:09.573
it wasn't a straightforward decision,
but I'd felt it was important

40:09.657 --> 40:12.535
to see him at work
and get a sense of his audience.

40:12.618 --> 40:14.537
-Walter.
-Louis. How are you doing?

40:14.620 --> 40:17.248
He'd taken some persuading to let me back.

40:17.331 --> 40:20.751
He'd been unhappy about the interview
with his girlfriend Angie.

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If you guys want anything
to drink, just ask one of the ladies.

40:25.005 --> 40:29.051
I would be appearing on a section
called Fresh&Fit AfterHours…

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You understand that if you're a fat woman,
you're effectively useless in life.

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…where Myron and his cohost, Walter,
spar with local female influencers.

40:37.017 --> 40:38.978
-You're huge. Not attractive.
-'Cause… Got it.

40:39.061 --> 40:43.023
For you to behave the way that you do
is a fucking embarrassment to society.

40:43.107 --> 40:45.442
You fat fuckin' bitch.
Get the fuck out my studio.

40:45.526 --> 40:47.278
-Go back to your bitch-ass husband.
-Let's go!

40:47.361 --> 40:49.363
Get the fuck up outta here.
You're an embarrassment.

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Three, two, one.

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And we are live. What's up, guys?
Welcome to the Fresh&Fit podcast.

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We're here with special guest
Stirling Cooper, back in the house!

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Tonight, the stream started
with Myron talking to a dating coach

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and penis extension expert
named Stirling Cooper.

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Uh, so I used to be a porn star.
Started my own YouTube channel.

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Started teaching guys
how to fix problems in the bedroom

41:13.762 --> 41:17.433
and how to, yeah,
dick their girl down properly.

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Giving her what she really wants,
like, subconsciously.

41:20.519 --> 41:23.731
Let's be honest here.
Everything about female nature is a lie.

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They wear makeup.

41:25.232 --> 41:26.901
You don't know
when they're on their period.

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They don't really show attention to you.

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With a few minutes before my segment,

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I wandered off to meet the woman
who books the girls for the show.

41:34.617 --> 41:37.161
-How you doing?
-Hi. Nice to meet you.

41:37.244 --> 41:39.705
-Louis.
-Louis, my name's Icy.

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-Icy.
-I help out with the back.

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So, the girls will end up
going on Fresh&Fit? On the show?

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Yeah. Sometimes we'd get into fights here
before when we used to serve alcohol,

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and those nights weren't really pretty
when the girls got into their emotions.

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I'm gonna counsel me,
'cause when it comes to women…

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So, like, no, my friend. You are a guy.

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As we continued,
Myron became aware of the conversation.

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-Don't ask for nudes. Never ask for nudes.
-Yeah, that's a L.

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Oh, I just messed up.

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Okay. Um…

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You okay?

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What happened? Everything all right?

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Um, I don't know how to properly say this,

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but I cannot answer
any more questions anymore.

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-Oh no.
-Yeah.

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-Okay.
-Sorry.

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That's all right.

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-I appreciate you guys.
-All right. No problem.

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Thank you.

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I'm sorry to make it awkward.

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-That's no problem.
-But it's not me.

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I'm sorry
if we've made your life, uh, difficult.

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No, no, no. You didn't. You didn't.
I'm just not allowed to. That's all.

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Myron had seemingly shut down Icy.

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Tell her to go downstairs too.

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Did you find it strange
that the ones that don't…

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And stay down there.

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But before I could find out why,
it was showtime.

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We're back. Welcome to Fresh&Fit podcast
AfterHours edition.

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If you don't mind, give us your name,
your age, what you do for a living.

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My name's Ruby.
I'm 22. Um, I do bottle service.

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My name is Giselle.
I'm a full-time model currently.

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Hi, I'm Caro.
I model, and I do social media.

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Just say OnlyFans, man.

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Um, actually, no.
I think I might be stopping OnlyFans.

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We've got some company in the house.
Louis, you wanna introduce yourself?

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My name's Louis, and I make documentaries.

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So, I've been spending a bit of time
with Myron and getting to know him.

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Am I as toxic as they say?

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You know, uh, I'm waiting
to make my final determination on that.

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-I have a question.
-Okay.

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Ladies, if you don't mind, uh…

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Can you name three countries?

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Portugal.

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-More fucking loud.
-Barcelona.

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Okay, what about you?

43:54.923 --> 43:58.677
The format seemed mainly a chance
to embarrass the female guests.

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You want a guy that's successful,
but want him to give you attention.

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Absolutely. That's just me.

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Can we get the calculator out, please?

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This right here is
the Fresh&Fit Female Delusion Calculator.

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-Okay.
-Height?

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-Six foot.
-Race?

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I prefer Black.
That's who I see myself with.

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Minimum income per year?

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Let's just do 300,000 a year.

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Uh, your man meets less than 1%
of the male population here.

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Are you okay with staying single
for the rest of your life?

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You're not gonna find that.

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Would you be okay
with him having other women?

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-Absolutely not.
-You're cooked.

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You guys overinflate
your own sense of self-worth.

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You guys think you're better
than you really are.

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But the reality is, all of you guys
bring the same thing to the table.

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'Cause men don't ask for much.

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So, if you don't wanna give it to him,
he'll go find a 21-year-old that will.

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You know, you're talking like…
'Cause you've never been married.

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There's so much more to a relationship
than just the physical side of it.

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But the original reason
why men deal with women in the first place

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is their beauty and their sexuality.

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Yes and no. You may be attracted to her

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because of her intelligence
and her sense of humor as well.

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All right.
"To the slag two down from Myron,

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since you cheat on every…"

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For a fee, viewers could have
their comments read out live on air.

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Masiam. 20 bucks.

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"Hey, playdough forehead
two down from Myron,

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just cut your losses and shut the fuck…"
God damn.

45:19.174 --> 45:21.510
Okay. Yeah. All right.
Ladies, does body count matter?

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Don't judge my body count,
and I won't judge yours. Clean slate.

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Whatever happens in the past
stays in the past.

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Let's go on and roll this video.

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I'm a neuroscientist. Let me explain.

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Studies show that women absorb and retain

45:33.981 --> 45:36.900
the DNA of every man they've been with
via sperm.

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This foreign DNA has been found

45:38.485 --> 45:41.447
in the brain, organs,
and reproductive system,

45:41.530 --> 45:43.741
but nobody talks about the consequences.

45:43.824 --> 45:46.660
Ever wonder why some kids resemble
an ex more than their father?

45:46.743 --> 45:47.995
This is usually why.

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The more men a woman has been with,

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the higher the risk of negative mutations
in her future children.

45:53.417 --> 45:55.794
-Louis, what do you think?
-Well, that video…

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That was ridiculous.

45:57.629 --> 46:02.676
The thing about, "Oh, you have a kid,
and it resembles your previous partner"?

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No one thinks that.

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-Well, there has been some--
-That's insane.

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There has been scientific data
that reflects this

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when it comes to females
and parent bonding.

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When they talk about misinformation
on the internet,

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this is what they're talking about.

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I think the biggest takeaway is that…

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As I was drawn into the conversation,

46:19.234 --> 46:22.905
I realized I too was being assessed
by commenters in the chat.

46:24.573 --> 46:27.326
The anonymous posters did not hold back.

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All right. Love y'all,
but catch me tomorrow at 5:00 p.m.

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-MyronGainesX. Later.
-Peace.

46:36.418 --> 46:38.879
After the show,
I reflected on the reductiveness

46:38.962 --> 46:41.048
of its take on gender relations,

46:41.131 --> 46:45.260
where both women and men
were only as good as their various stats,

46:45.344 --> 46:47.971
money, height, body count.

46:50.974 --> 46:55.646
But I also realized Myron's girlfriend
Angie hadn't been at the studio.

46:55.729 --> 46:58.732
I decided to talk to him
about what the issue was.

46:58.816 --> 47:01.902
You know, I sensed
that there was a little feeling

47:01.985 --> 47:04.154
of maybe Angie shouldn't be
in the documentary,

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and I just wonder what was behind that.

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I decided to get into the limelight,

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and I don't want her
to have to deal with that.

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She's on the show, isn't she?
I've seen her.

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-No. She doesn't come on the show.
-Not anymore? I've seen her.

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It's been a while. Frank, sit.

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I want her to focus on being happy.
She doesn't need to be in the limelight.

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-Is that coming more from you or from her?
-Both.

47:30.806 --> 47:32.975
And with that, I was leaving Miami

47:33.850 --> 47:38.480
with the inescapable sense that something
in the Angie chat had bothered Myron.

47:39.064 --> 47:43.652
That he felt he'd come across
as somehow weak and insufficiently alpha.

47:45.195 --> 47:49.408
But I was also thinking
about the experience of being on Fresh&Fit

47:49.491 --> 47:52.077
and the symbiotic relationship
between Myron

47:52.160 --> 47:55.831
and the Instagram models
and OnlyFans girls that were his guests

47:55.914 --> 47:58.458
as they used each other
to raise their profiles.

48:02.796 --> 48:05.591
It is a common tactic in the manosphere

48:05.674 --> 48:08.468
to advocate for traditional values

48:08.552 --> 48:13.223
while at the same time wanting to be seen
with scantily clad models in bikinis.

48:14.057 --> 48:15.726
Hiya. Pretty active at work.

48:16.560 --> 48:19.438
I'd been thinking more
about my time with HS.

48:19.521 --> 48:23.609
He'd embodied a similar attitude,
profiting from OnlyFans girls

48:23.692 --> 48:26.320
while at the same time
calling them disgusting.

48:26.403 --> 48:28.739
All right, she's here. Get her.

48:28.822 --> 48:31.825
An interview he'd done
with the influencer Bonnie Blue,

48:31.908 --> 48:35.495
famous for claiming to have had sex
with 1,000 men in one day,

48:35.579 --> 48:37.289
was just the latest example.

48:37.789 --> 48:42.210
What girl is worse to idolize than this?
There are other things you could've done.

48:42.294 --> 48:44.671
I genuinely thought
you'd be much more educated.

48:44.755 --> 48:45.923
What do your parents say?

48:46.006 --> 48:48.008
-They are proud and support me.
-No, they're not.

48:48.091 --> 48:49.468
This one is genuinely boring.

48:49.551 --> 48:51.762
-They're not.
-He's actually boring me.

48:51.845 --> 48:54.473
Oh! Bonnie, why are you rattled?

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You took your mic off, you dumb blonde.
Put the mic on.

48:57.643 --> 48:59.645
Bonnie just got fucking pressed.

49:03.190 --> 49:06.151
It was a striking contradiction.

49:06.234 --> 49:08.987
By now, his wariness of me had lessened,

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presumably because he'd noticed
his posts about the filming

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were helping his social media presence.

49:14.076 --> 49:14.952
They call me B.

49:15.035 --> 49:15.911
-B?
-Yeah.

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I decided to speak to him again.

49:18.497 --> 49:21.583
-Security?
-Yeah. The best.

49:25.587 --> 49:27.756
-How are you?
-How you doing? Good to see you.

49:27.839 --> 49:28.966
How's life?

49:29.758 --> 49:32.135
The interview you did
with Bonnie Blue was interesting.

49:32.219 --> 49:33.762
-You saw?
-It was interesting.

49:33.845 --> 49:35.681
I think she's disgusting, bro.

49:36.932 --> 49:40.602
I think she's absolutely repulsive
as a person.

49:40.686 --> 49:43.397
-So, why get her on the stream then?
-Clout.

49:44.064 --> 49:46.566
-Chasing her clout?
-Yeah.

49:46.650 --> 49:48.527
Views, which it did. And--

49:48.610 --> 49:51.488
You've got 500,000 people
on your Telegram, right?

49:51.571 --> 49:54.574
-Yeah.
-You're advertising OnlyFans girls there.

49:54.658 --> 49:55.492
Yeah.

49:55.575 --> 49:57.661
Do you think
there's a contradiction there?

49:57.744 --> 49:59.413
No, because I openly say

49:59.496 --> 50:01.832
I don't give a fuck,
and I'm doing it for money.

50:01.915 --> 50:03.375
I don't care about…

50:04.126 --> 50:05.335
The morality of it?

50:05.419 --> 50:07.045
I know it's not good.

50:07.129 --> 50:12.092
I… I say to people, "Don't watch porn.
It's sad. It's loser shit."

50:12.175 --> 50:15.303
You can't say, "I promote it,
but I discourage people from doing it."

50:15.387 --> 50:16.430
But you can, because--

50:16.513 --> 50:19.141
-You can say it. It doesn't mean anything.
-How does it not?

50:19.224 --> 50:22.477
It's a bit like saying, "Come to the gym.
I'm gonna help you work out,"

50:22.561 --> 50:25.105
and you come in the front door,
and there's a row of donuts.

50:25.188 --> 50:28.692
Here's a box of donuts
that I'm holding up to your face.

50:28.775 --> 50:31.069
"If you eat that, you're a loser,
but I'm gonna work out."

50:31.153 --> 50:33.029
It's like, "I'm getting a mixed message."

50:33.113 --> 50:35.532
Mm. You do what you choose.

50:35.615 --> 50:37.617
If you wanna go and eat the donuts,
eat the donuts,

50:37.701 --> 50:39.286
but I own the donut shop.

50:39.786 --> 50:42.748
So whether you come in the gym
and pay for my PT or eat the donuts,

50:42.831 --> 50:44.332
I make dough either way.

50:44.416 --> 50:47.419
My kids are gonna be
very, very happy, very fulfilled.

50:47.502 --> 50:48.920
They can do what they want.

50:49.004 --> 50:51.214
You sound a bit like Bonnie Blue.

50:51.298 --> 50:52.382
In what way?

50:52.466 --> 50:54.551
You're saying,
"It doesn't matter what choices I make."

50:54.634 --> 50:58.055
"I'm making money, and my kids will enjoy
a high standard of living."

50:58.138 --> 50:59.806
-"My choices are irrelevant."
-Not at all.

50:59.890 --> 51:04.895
What? Me posting a picture with girls is
the same as getting shagged by 1,000 guys?

51:04.978 --> 51:07.189
-It's rationalizing.
-Don't compare me to Bonnie.

51:07.272 --> 51:08.315
It's rationalizing.

51:08.398 --> 51:10.817
-Are you getting triggered?
-I'm not getting triggered.

51:10.901 --> 51:12.819
I don't know why
you're talking shit, mate.

51:12.903 --> 51:16.198
Why not try and be a good person?

51:18.325 --> 51:20.660
-In what respect? What do you mean?
-Just uplift people.

51:20.744 --> 51:22.871
Don't pander to their worst impulses.

51:22.954 --> 51:26.166
Actually encourage them
to do the right… make the right choices.

51:27.084 --> 51:28.710
That's a good question.

51:28.794 --> 51:31.630
If I'd just done good things,

51:31.713 --> 51:35.342
I would never have really blown up
on social media in the first place,

51:35.425 --> 51:40.430
because me live streaming,
chatting up birds, whatever,

51:41.223 --> 51:43.183
some of them birds don't wanna be
on the internet.

51:43.266 --> 51:46.686
So if I was just thinking,
"Right, I don't wanna upset anyone."

51:46.770 --> 51:48.730
"I don't wanna do anything
that's duh-duh-duh,"

51:48.814 --> 51:50.357
I wouldn't have been where I'm at now.

51:50.440 --> 51:53.026
And I'm not living for other people.
I'm living for myself.

51:57.197 --> 51:59.783
With his troublingly
self-centered worldview

51:59.866 --> 52:01.785
and the contradictions it entailed,

52:01.868 --> 52:05.038
HS's latest project was House of Heat,

52:05.122 --> 52:06.998
an OnlyFans content house,

52:07.082 --> 52:10.669
where X-rated creators
were living together and cross-promoting.

52:11.169 --> 52:14.214
He was helping publicize their accounts
on his channels

52:14.297 --> 52:16.258
while taking a cut of any income.

52:21.763 --> 52:23.265
-HSTikkyTokky!
-Come on, bro.

52:23.348 --> 52:26.143
-Come on, bro. My G.
-Nice to meet you, man.

52:26.226 --> 52:28.603
At a beach club by the Marbella port,

52:28.687 --> 52:31.773
HS introduced me
to one of the House of Heat models.

52:31.857 --> 52:34.526
Louis, meet Ellie Nutts.

52:35.068 --> 52:36.736
-Hi, Ellie.
-Hi, nice to meet you.

52:36.820 --> 52:40.198
She'd come up on TikTok
as the Sexy Plasterer

52:40.282 --> 52:42.784
with nearly 200,000 followers,

52:42.868 --> 52:45.412
then leveraged it
into an OnlyFans account.

52:47.497 --> 52:50.500
Everyone double-tap the screen up.
This is the new account. Get it moving.

52:51.084 --> 52:53.128
Everyone spam this fucking live up.

52:53.211 --> 52:56.548
Right now, we got Louis out here
for the second time.

52:57.048 --> 52:59.885
-'Cause he enjoyed the first time so much.
-I'm not content.

52:59.968 --> 53:02.929
-He's back out here with the crew.
-I'm behind the scenes.

53:03.930 --> 53:05.348
He is content.

53:05.432 --> 53:06.641
What about Ellie?

53:06.725 --> 53:09.144
I'm not forgetting Ellie.
Everyone knows about Ellie, mate.

53:09.227 --> 53:11.646
-Don't worry, Louis.
-Hey, guys.

53:11.730 --> 53:14.357
-Were you part of House of Heat?
-Yeah.

53:14.441 --> 53:16.651
One of the main people.
Was it five of you?

53:16.735 --> 53:18.528
How many will there be?

53:18.612 --> 53:20.614
Well, I don't know.
I reckon there's about…

53:20.697 --> 53:24.159
-Me, Ellie, Lilly--
-Probably 15. Probably 15.

53:24.242 --> 53:26.828
How well would you say you know HS?

53:27.871 --> 53:28.830
Pretty well.

53:28.914 --> 53:30.540
How would you describe him?

53:31.750 --> 53:34.711
He's a genuine guy. He's funny.

53:34.794 --> 53:40.425
Would it disappoint you if you found out
that HS was very judgmental of OnlyFans

53:40.508 --> 53:42.594
and thought it was actually disgusting?

53:42.677 --> 53:44.095
Not really.

53:44.596 --> 53:46.681
No. I don't care
for other people's opinion

53:46.765 --> 53:48.808
on what I'm doing for myself.

53:48.892 --> 53:50.602
I'm comfortable in my decisions.

53:50.685 --> 53:54.606
LD commented saying, "Louis Theroux
is getting slops off the blonde."

53:54.689 --> 53:56.566
No.

53:59.027 --> 54:01.571
Double-tap this screen up right now.

54:01.655 --> 54:03.531
Male audience. What can you expect?

54:03.615 --> 54:05.909
-It's not surprising, is it?
-No.

54:05.992 --> 54:11.039
I'm just saying what the chat are saying.
I've got to be entertaining the chat.

54:13.917 --> 54:17.462
Since I'd last seen him,
HS had been livestreaming more,

54:17.545 --> 54:19.047
up to seven hours a day,

54:19.130 --> 54:23.051
getting paid around £300 an hour
if the audience was big enough,

54:23.134 --> 54:26.263
with the pressure always on
to keep them engaged.

54:27.722 --> 54:29.557
Let's fucking start the stream.

54:30.308 --> 54:33.561
Even so,
what happened next was unexpected.

54:33.645 --> 54:37.649
So, HS and his team
have suddenly pulled off.

54:37.732 --> 54:40.652
All right, boys, this right here
is gonna be fucking interesting.

54:40.735 --> 54:43.738
So, he's gonna pull up
on this roundabout here.

54:43.822 --> 54:44.698
Show 'em.

54:44.781 --> 54:48.076
One of HS's minions claimed
to have set up a date online

54:48.159 --> 54:52.539
with an older man with the aim
of humiliating him live on stream.

54:53.123 --> 54:55.792
I stepped away
and watched from a distance.

54:56.835 --> 54:59.546
"W" in the chat
if we should go and punch him up.

55:00.297 --> 55:02.132
They all want him to get punched up.

55:05.010 --> 55:06.970
Cheers, man.

55:07.053 --> 55:09.597
-A man arrived…
-My name's Harrison.

55:09.681 --> 55:11.516
Excuse me, my friend.

55:12.017 --> 55:14.894
…then sensing something was up,
tried to leave

55:14.978 --> 55:18.982
as HS's hangers-on kicked him
and rained punches down on his head.

55:19.065 --> 55:22.360
Enough! Enough!

55:22.444 --> 55:23.445
Fuck!

55:24.821 --> 55:26.865
They accused him of being a predator.

55:26.948 --> 55:29.701
I had no way of knowing
if this could be true.

55:30.201 --> 55:32.120
Eventually, he got away.

55:32.203 --> 55:37.876
Oi, that was so funny! Oh, he got slapped.
He got slapped.

55:37.959 --> 55:40.754
All right, don't film me.
Walk the other way from me.

55:40.837 --> 55:42.380
Walk the other way from me, bruv.

55:42.464 --> 55:44.049
Can we go over there now?

55:44.132 --> 55:46.551
"You're off to jail, mate."
I didn't touch him.

55:47.927 --> 55:50.305
That did not go to plan at all.

55:50.388 --> 55:52.348
-It looked like an assault.
-Yeah.

55:52.432 --> 55:53.808
Was that not the plan?

55:53.892 --> 55:56.061
Of course not.
I've never done that in my life.

55:56.144 --> 55:58.855
You can't just do that to a random person.

55:58.938 --> 56:02.442
The plan's to, like, have them there,
call the police. Get 'em nicked.

56:02.525 --> 56:03.610
It was horrible.

56:03.693 --> 56:06.363
It was like watching a mob.
Like a mob attack.

56:06.446 --> 56:10.033
You don't get to beat someone up.
That's not law and order, is it?

56:10.116 --> 56:11.951
How did it do on the stream?

56:12.535 --> 56:15.872
Few thousand watching. 4.5K total.

56:15.955 --> 56:18.958
So, what will happen?
Will that sit up there, though?

56:19.042 --> 56:20.043
No. I deleted it.

56:20.126 --> 56:22.921
-Already?
-Yeah. I didn't want that on the internet.

56:23.797 --> 56:26.174
Excuse me, my friend. Wait here a second.

56:26.257 --> 56:28.301
Despite what he'd told me, within seconds,

56:28.384 --> 56:31.846
HS's online team
had clipped up short snippets,

56:33.014 --> 56:35.141
flooding them onto Instagram and TikTok,

56:35.225 --> 56:38.853
emblazoned with the logo
of an online gambling company.

56:39.395 --> 56:42.399
All right, so we got Theroux and them
right now coming to link us…

56:42.482 --> 56:44.150
That night, the stream continued

56:44.234 --> 56:47.487
with HS dropping game
to random strangers at the port.

56:47.570 --> 56:50.073
Okay, listen. You're both very pretty.
Give me your Instagram.

56:50.156 --> 56:51.533
-We'll do something.
-Okay.

56:51.616 --> 56:53.535
See you later, you German tarts.

56:54.160 --> 56:56.413
But I was still thinking
about the ugliness

56:56.496 --> 56:58.415
of the so-called predator sting.

56:59.582 --> 57:00.625
As the evening wore on,

57:00.708 --> 57:05.255
I became aware of myself being pulled in
and farmed for content.

57:05.338 --> 57:08.633
All right, should I stick it on Louis?

57:08.716 --> 57:10.885
There's some fuck shit I could say to him.

57:10.969 --> 57:12.595
All right, look, watch this, boys.

57:12.679 --> 57:14.931
-You got anything to say to the live?
-Not really.

57:15.014 --> 57:17.433
Someone's saying you're good friends
with Jimmy Savile.

57:17.517 --> 57:19.978
-What have you got to say for yourself?
-Jimmy Savile.

57:20.061 --> 57:22.272
Well, I helped to expose him
while he was alive.

57:22.355 --> 57:23.356
Mm.

57:23.857 --> 57:26.901
-They're saying you're friends.
-He's dead. I can't be friends with him.

57:26.985 --> 57:28.319
You used to have freak-offs.

57:28.403 --> 57:30.572
Anyway, on that note,
let's keep it steppin'.

57:30.655 --> 57:33.950
It's time. HS vs Mr. Bean punch bag.

57:41.624 --> 57:44.836
That's okay. 921. 922.

57:44.919 --> 57:47.005
-Three!
-Theroux, hit one.

57:47.088 --> 57:50.675
Gay! Gay!

57:51.926 --> 57:53.261
What the fuck?

57:53.344 --> 57:55.430
Hey, Theroux, is that how you'd punch

57:55.513 --> 57:59.184
if someone was coming into your house
about to attack you and your family?

57:59.267 --> 58:01.769
Someone clip that
when I was chatting to Louis earlier.

58:01.853 --> 58:06.774
He really don't wanna be in the live.
He don't wanna be, uh, on the content.

58:07.525 --> 58:08.985
But he's got no choice.

58:11.321 --> 58:13.698
The Marbella trip felt like an education

58:13.781 --> 58:16.326
in how the hamster wheel
of content creation

58:16.409 --> 58:18.870
was incentivizing extreme behavior.

58:18.953 --> 58:22.040
-Have you anything to say to the live?
-Not really, no.

58:22.123 --> 58:23.416
Over subsequent days,

58:23.500 --> 58:27.337
clippers paid by HS
and orchestrated by him in a group chat,

58:27.420 --> 58:29.464
pushed out clips from the livestream.

58:29.547 --> 58:31.966
Someone's saying
you're good friends with Jimmy Savile.

58:32.050 --> 58:33.509
What have you got to say?

58:33.593 --> 58:38.097
They were then shared across TikTok
and Instagram. Several went viral.

58:38.181 --> 58:42.143
Gay! What the fuck?

58:45.605 --> 58:47.774
Egged on by the comments making fun of him

58:47.857 --> 58:51.945
and his decision to be in my film,
HS seemed to spiral.

58:52.028 --> 58:56.282
Like, if you want to call me a… a… a pimp,

58:56.366 --> 59:01.412
scammer, racist, homophobic dickhead,

59:02.038 --> 59:04.457
I'm all of those.
I'm all of those, Theroux.

59:04.540 --> 59:08.920
And what? What are you gonna do about it,
pussy hoe? Nothing.

59:09.003 --> 59:11.297
He came across to me like a fighter,

59:11.381 --> 59:13.883
talking himself up before a big bout.

59:13.967 --> 59:15.551
I do not give a fuck.

59:16.844 --> 59:21.349
We turn now to growing concerns around
the proliferation of misogyny online.

59:21.432 --> 59:26.312
Teachers are sounding the alarm over
a resurgence of male supremacy in schools.

59:26.396 --> 59:27.939
There's a number of examples

59:28.022 --> 59:29.274
of manosphere culture

59:29.357 --> 59:32.235
affecting interactions
between boys and girls.

59:33.236 --> 59:35.780
Much has been said
about the effect of streamers

59:35.863 --> 59:37.532
on their young fans.

59:38.032 --> 59:41.035
It is this idea
that there's only one way to be a man,

59:41.119 --> 59:44.956
and that involves oppressing women,
the right to their bodies.

59:46.040 --> 59:48.543
But in my time in the manosphere,
I'd become curious

59:48.626 --> 59:52.797
about how the streamers grew up
and what they shared from their childhood.

59:52.880 --> 59:54.841
My dad beat the fuck out of me.

59:54.924 --> 59:58.720
I became very realistic of the world
with one ass-kicking.

59:58.803 --> 01:00:01.806
All it takes is one good ass-kicking.
You learn a lot.

01:00:05.852 --> 01:00:09.063
It was striking
how many were raised without dads.

01:00:09.606 --> 01:00:13.401
HS, the anti-feminist,
had told me how his mum, Elaine,

01:00:13.484 --> 01:00:16.112
had worked six-day weeks,
late into the evening

01:00:16.195 --> 01:00:18.615
to put him through private school.

01:00:18.698 --> 01:00:22.535
It was clear from photos shared online
how devoted Elaine had always been.

01:00:23.328 --> 01:00:26.414
How HS had felt at the time
was hard to know.

01:00:27.081 --> 01:00:29.751
His dad,
an England international rugby player,

01:00:29.834 --> 01:00:31.419
was not in the picture.

01:00:32.253 --> 01:00:35.340
I'm a little bit anxious to go see him.
I can't lie. Like…

01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.718
It's a bit…
I ain't seen him in so fucking long.

01:00:38.801 --> 01:00:41.554
HS posted content online about it.

01:00:42.055 --> 01:00:43.431
-Very nice. Hello.
-Hello.

01:00:43.514 --> 01:00:45.391
You weren't there for years.

01:00:45.475 --> 01:00:47.685
You didn't reply for ten years.

01:00:47.769 --> 01:00:50.688
I don't agree with what he did.
Don't… don't get it twisted.

01:00:50.772 --> 01:00:53.149
-But no hard feelings.
-Mm-hmm.

01:00:53.232 --> 01:00:55.568
We'd talked about it
when we'd been together.

01:00:55.652 --> 01:00:59.280
If there is any trauma there,
what I will say is, it's subconscious.

01:00:59.364 --> 01:01:01.157
It's not something that I'm aware of.

01:01:01.240 --> 01:01:03.534
-Really?
-Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

01:01:13.795 --> 01:01:15.463
Across the board, I had the sense

01:01:15.546 --> 01:01:18.549
that influencers
still carrying the wounds of childhood,

01:01:18.633 --> 01:01:21.803
who'd had to learn brutal strategies
of self-reliance,

01:01:21.886 --> 01:01:24.847
were projecting their trauma
onto the wider world.

01:01:25.348 --> 01:01:28.726
There was certainly,
um, a broken home going on.

01:01:28.810 --> 01:01:32.605
There was violence going on.
There was violence with the mom.

01:01:34.065 --> 01:01:35.483
Justin was another.

01:01:35.566 --> 01:01:39.612
His accounts of being raised by a mother
who he characterized as chaotic

01:01:39.696 --> 01:01:42.573
were a well-established part
of his origin story.

01:01:43.157 --> 01:01:45.743
-What kind of house did you grow up in?
-It was like this.

01:01:45.827 --> 01:01:47.620
-Was it?
-I used to play in this neighborhood.

01:01:47.703 --> 01:01:48.996
-Did you?
-Yeah.

01:01:49.914 --> 01:01:52.959
I… I've read online,
and I've seen you talk about

01:01:53.042 --> 01:01:56.462
how you had not the best upbringing
in some respects, right?

01:01:56.546 --> 01:01:57.547
Yes, sir.

01:01:57.630 --> 01:02:00.550
We were very close
to being put in a foster home.

01:02:00.633 --> 01:02:02.760
I mean, there was a lot of violence.

01:02:02.844 --> 01:02:07.098
My mom, she would just come in sometimes
and just start punching him.

01:02:07.181 --> 01:02:08.725
It was true rage.

01:02:09.308 --> 01:02:11.769
We're actually not far
from where she burned those houses down.

01:02:12.353 --> 01:02:13.896
How do you mean she burned houses down?

01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:16.899
So, we had two house fires
when I was a kid, in eighth grade.

01:02:16.983 --> 01:02:18.651
-Uh…
-What was her motive?

01:02:19.152 --> 01:02:21.112
Insurance money
so we could build a new one.

01:02:21.195 --> 01:02:22.196
-Really?
-Yeah.

01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.198
-Did she admit to doing that?
-No.

01:02:24.282 --> 01:02:25.366
So, she denies that?

01:02:25.450 --> 01:02:28.327
I've never heard my mother say "I'm sorry"
in my life. Ever.

01:02:28.411 --> 01:02:31.289
I've never heard my mother say
she was wrong.

01:02:32.665 --> 01:02:35.251
Justin's mother denies all of this.

01:02:35.334 --> 01:02:39.130
In my research, I couldn't find
any charges or claims against her.

01:02:40.506 --> 01:02:43.968
But there was no question
there was massive instability in the home,

01:02:44.051 --> 01:02:47.180
with Justin's dad prevented
from seeing the children.

01:02:49.432 --> 01:02:50.433
I'd started to wonder

01:02:50.516 --> 01:02:55.480
whether an insecure upbringing had created
a distrust of traditional family life.

01:02:56.689 --> 01:03:00.735
He'd told me several times about
his one-way monogamous relationship.

01:03:00.818 --> 01:03:02.987
It seemed possible it was related.

01:03:05.406 --> 01:03:09.577
-Hi. I'm Louis. How do you do?
-Hi. Nice to meet you. Good. Kristen.

01:03:09.660 --> 01:03:11.162
Kristen. Thanks for having us.

01:03:11.245 --> 01:03:14.540
He'd recently moved back to Baton Rouge
with his family.

01:03:14.624 --> 01:03:18.628
Previously, he hadn't wanted us to film
with his other half, Kristen,

01:03:18.711 --> 01:03:20.755
but now, he'd changed his mind.

01:03:20.838 --> 01:03:22.423
-Wow.
-Come on in!

01:03:22.507 --> 01:03:23.633
This is amazing.

01:03:23.716 --> 01:03:28.346
She is a former X-ray technician,
a mother of two with another on the way.

01:03:28.429 --> 01:03:29.972
-Like being in a castle.
-Yeah.

01:03:30.890 --> 01:03:33.893
Uh, would you be happy
to take us around a little bit?

01:03:33.976 --> 01:03:35.520
This is the gym.

01:03:36.729 --> 01:03:39.148
-She'd be right there.
-Eva, show them how you swing.

01:03:39.899 --> 01:03:41.400
She has her own Lambo.

01:03:42.735 --> 01:03:46.447
This is the girls' room.
That's where bath time is every night.

01:03:46.531 --> 01:03:48.658
Do you do the bath,
Justin, or is that more…

01:03:48.741 --> 01:03:51.118
I don't do baths,
or diapers, or anything like that.

01:03:51.702 --> 01:03:54.747
I like to tell people we have lanes.

01:03:55.248 --> 01:03:58.668
My lane is changing diapers,
cooking, and cleaning,

01:03:58.751 --> 01:04:02.296
and his lane is working and providing.

01:04:02.380 --> 01:04:04.924
We don't cross into each other's lane.

01:04:05.007 --> 01:04:06.384
It works for us.

01:04:07.969 --> 01:04:11.013
One of the things that came up early on
in conversation with Justin

01:04:11.097 --> 01:04:13.391
was this idea of one-way monogamy.

01:04:13.474 --> 01:04:17.186
My previous relationship
that I was in before him,

01:04:17.270 --> 01:04:19.063
I was lied to a lot.

01:04:19.146 --> 01:04:23.526
And so my biggest thing with him was like,
honestly, I can take the truth.

01:04:24.402 --> 01:04:29.866
I was very open to it, for, like,
him and I to do it kind of together.

01:04:29.949 --> 01:04:32.410
-Mm-hmm. In bedroom scenarios?
-Yeah.

01:04:32.493 --> 01:04:33.828
-Mm-hmm.
-Yeah.

01:04:33.911 --> 01:04:38.332
Look, if I take a girl on a date,
one of the questions by the…

01:04:38.416 --> 01:04:42.461
If it doesn't happen on the first one,
it will happen on the second one.

01:04:42.962 --> 01:04:46.674
"So, I heard you have a wife."
"Yeah, what about it? She's hot."

01:04:46.757 --> 01:04:49.594
And then, boom, I'll show her
a picture of Kristen immediately

01:04:49.677 --> 01:04:51.596
and go straight for the threesome.

01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:54.765
I don't give a fuck.
I'm not about to placate some girl.

01:04:54.849 --> 01:04:57.184
-Slightly aggressive.
-No, I'm just telling you.

01:04:57.268 --> 01:04:59.270
-I don't think he's that aggressive.
-What about it?

01:04:59.353 --> 01:05:01.480
-What about it? Like, what's up?
-What about it?

01:05:01.564 --> 01:05:04.609
Do you have arranged nights

01:05:04.692 --> 01:05:07.111
where you know Justin with…
is with someone else?

01:05:07.194 --> 01:05:08.029
No.

01:05:08.112 --> 01:05:10.740
-Is it a "don't ask, don't tell" thing?
-Kind of.

01:05:10.823 --> 01:05:12.658
-You don't need to know.
-I don't.

01:05:12.742 --> 01:05:15.703
-You don't want the gory details.
-What do I… And it's not even gory.

01:05:15.786 --> 01:05:17.622
-I don't…
-Sexy?

01:05:17.705 --> 01:05:20.583
I think that most women…

01:05:21.417 --> 01:05:25.963
I could be going out on a limb here.
But I think most women like the idea

01:05:26.047 --> 01:05:30.676
or like to know
that their man is wanted by other women.

01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:32.887
-Are you married, by the way?
-Yeah.

01:05:32.970 --> 01:05:35.848
Not… not… I didn't bring
the state into it.

01:05:35.932 --> 01:05:38.809
Why did you not get married
in the eyes of the state?

01:05:38.893 --> 01:05:41.562
-You think the financial side?
-Yeah.

01:05:41.646 --> 01:05:44.482
That doesn't…
That seems more risky for you, maybe.

01:05:44.982 --> 01:05:49.195
It does seem more risky for me,
but I don't feel like I'm at risk.

01:05:49.278 --> 01:05:52.031
But, Louis, let's say it ended right now.
Let's say it ended tomorrow.

01:05:52.114 --> 01:05:53.741
-What ended? Oh.
-Me and you.

01:05:53.824 --> 01:05:57.370
I would still look at it as successful.
It's some of the best years of my life.

01:05:57.453 --> 01:06:00.957
I have beautiful children,
beautiful memories.

01:06:01.040 --> 01:06:04.543
I'll see comments sometimes like,
"He thinks money is everything,

01:06:04.627 --> 01:06:07.797
but he'll never understand what it's like
to have true happiness in a family

01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:10.633
and have a woman truly love him
for more than his money."

01:06:10.716 --> 01:06:12.051
Bullshit, asshole.

01:06:12.551 --> 01:06:17.973
I have it all. Truly, truly have it all.
I couldn't be more lucky and more blessed.

01:06:22.687 --> 01:06:26.190
In Miami, I'd wondered
how real Justin's wealth was.

01:06:26.273 --> 01:06:28.651
It was clear,
if he wasn't worth $30 million,

01:06:28.734 --> 01:06:30.319
he was far from hard up.

01:06:30.403 --> 01:06:32.863
Come on,
let's go show another room in the house.

01:06:32.947 --> 01:06:34.824
Yeah, Mommy's room!

01:06:34.907 --> 01:06:36.575
But for me, the real question was

01:06:36.659 --> 01:06:39.704
Kristen's true feelings
about the arrangement.

01:06:39.787 --> 01:06:43.833
-Kristen, you were working, weren't you?
-I was. I loved my job.

01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:48.045
But I don't miss having to wake up
at five o'clock in the morning

01:06:48.129 --> 01:06:50.965
and put on scrubs
and go to a hospital and clock in,

01:06:51.048 --> 01:06:54.760
and, like, have to work for somebody else.

01:06:55.344 --> 01:07:02.226
I feel so good in my femininity
because of how masculine Justin is.

01:07:02.309 --> 01:07:04.270
Like, I was saying,
the lanes that we're in,

01:07:04.353 --> 01:07:07.273
I just kinda feel like
that's what works for us.

01:07:07.356 --> 01:07:10.026
But I also, to my core,

01:07:10.109 --> 01:07:13.571
believe that, like,
that's… as human beings, like,

01:07:13.654 --> 01:07:17.283
male and female, I just think that
that's how it's supposed to be.

01:07:21.328 --> 01:07:24.373
With their male-centered take
on family life,

01:07:24.457 --> 01:07:28.210
Kristen and Justin
embodied a red-pill dream

01:07:28.294 --> 01:07:31.839
founded on a Darwinian view
of alpha supremacy.

01:07:43.768 --> 01:07:47.062
An ideology that seemed to me
to be rooted in trauma

01:07:47.146 --> 01:07:51.901
was being rolled out as the basis
of far-reaching social renewal…

01:07:52.568 --> 01:07:55.780
Did an election that was supposed
to revolve around women's issues

01:07:55.863 --> 01:07:58.115
actually come down to the plight of men?

01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:01.535
This was
the testosterone podcast election.

01:08:01.619 --> 01:08:04.246
I want to thank the Nelk Boys,
Adin Ross, Theo Von.

01:08:04.330 --> 01:08:07.249
…as manosphere talking points
began to converge

01:08:07.333 --> 01:08:10.336
with the mainstream
of political conversation.

01:08:10.419 --> 01:08:12.379
I'm close to the Trump family.
I know them well,

01:08:12.463 --> 01:08:15.883
and I look forward to, once I am free,
being with Donald Trump in person

01:08:15.966 --> 01:08:18.177
and reminding him
that he's a bulletproof badass.

01:08:22.848 --> 01:08:25.851
Since entering the manosphere,
I'd been trying to get access

01:08:25.935 --> 01:08:29.522
to one of the handful of men
at the very forefront of this evolution.

01:08:29.605 --> 01:08:30.856
They are trying to make you gay.

01:08:41.992 --> 01:08:45.913
One of the most popular
and notorious goes by the name Sneako.

01:08:45.996 --> 01:08:47.206
Hey, that's me.

01:08:47.289 --> 01:08:49.625
Real name, Nicolas Balinthazy.

01:08:49.708 --> 01:08:51.919
We should not let women vote. I'm sorry.

01:08:52.002 --> 01:08:54.672
He, more than anyone,
embodies the red pill's impact

01:08:54.755 --> 01:08:56.924
and its political awakening.

01:08:57.007 --> 01:09:00.344
It took about ten years, but the people
that follow their gut instincts

01:09:00.427 --> 01:09:02.638
are now at the forefront of truth.

01:09:02.721 --> 01:09:04.807
I have my good friends here on the show.

01:09:04.890 --> 01:09:07.351
A friend of the Tates and Myron…

01:09:07.434 --> 01:09:09.353
We're here, and we're not going anywhere.

01:09:09.436 --> 01:09:12.565
…he was at Trump's inauguration
and celebratory ball

01:09:12.648 --> 01:09:14.733
and claims Barron watches his content.

01:09:14.817 --> 01:09:18.612
-We will make America great again.
-Yeah!

01:09:18.696 --> 01:09:20.948
He's been banned from all major platforms

01:09:21.031 --> 01:09:23.033
for hate speech and misinformation.

01:09:23.117 --> 01:09:28.163
Bop! Shut the fuck up, bitch.
Just one and done. Cry, over.

01:09:28.247 --> 01:09:29.707
Back in the kitchen!

01:09:29.790 --> 01:09:33.127
But still, his clips go viral,
with views in the billions.

01:09:33.711 --> 01:09:35.588
Holy shit, everyone. It's me. I'm here.

01:09:38.382 --> 01:09:39.633
He lives in New York.

01:09:40.259 --> 01:09:43.596
He turns down
most mainstream media requests.

01:09:44.471 --> 01:09:46.974
To my surprise, he agreed to meet me.

01:09:47.975 --> 01:09:49.059
Hey.

01:09:49.143 --> 01:09:51.562
-Hey. How are you?
-Hello. We just got here.

01:09:51.645 --> 01:09:52.646
-Louis.
-Hi. Come in.

01:09:52.730 --> 01:09:55.107
-How are you doing? Shoes off.
-Good.

01:09:56.275 --> 01:09:58.944
-This is your place?
-Uh, yeah, one of 'em.

01:09:59.612 --> 01:10:02.615
-So, I'm working on this video today.
-Wow.

01:10:02.698 --> 01:10:06.076
I literally just came from a protest.
They were protesting Elon Musk

01:10:06.160 --> 01:10:07.328
and calling Trump a fascist.

01:10:07.411 --> 01:10:08.662
That was right at City Hall.

01:10:08.746 --> 01:10:11.749
-You talk to people down there?
-I do. But everyone there knows me.

01:10:11.832 --> 01:10:13.375
So I have this… This is what I do.

01:10:13.459 --> 01:10:15.794
For something like that,
I don't go with security.

01:10:15.878 --> 01:10:18.088
This is what I do. I just put this on.

01:10:18.172 --> 01:10:19.673
And then I'm undercover.

01:10:19.757 --> 01:10:23.010
I swear to you, if I went like this,
it would've been hectic.

01:10:23.093 --> 01:10:26.972
How would you position yourself
politically, culturally at the moment?

01:10:27.056 --> 01:10:29.308
I'm a huge Trump supporter.
I have this stuff everywhere.

01:10:29.391 --> 01:10:30.976
I just came back from the inauguration.

01:10:31.060 --> 01:10:33.145
I've been a Trump supporter since 2015.

01:10:33.687 --> 01:10:37.107
It sounds like… Are you even
in the manosphere? Not really.

01:10:37.191 --> 01:10:38.943
I guess so. I am.

01:10:39.026 --> 01:10:42.488
I mean, I think that, uh…
that kind of graduated.

01:10:42.571 --> 01:10:45.241
A lot of people that were in that space
are now in politics.

01:10:45.324 --> 01:10:48.744
And everybody in the "manosphere" is just…
They're… people online

01:10:48.827 --> 01:10:52.581
who are trying to make a buck,
you know, selling ideologies.

01:10:52.665 --> 01:10:54.708
People have heard
all the talking points already.

01:10:54.792 --> 01:10:56.961
I think the world got really crazy
for a long time.

01:10:57.044 --> 01:10:59.296
But I think we're reaching
a little more of a balance

01:10:59.380 --> 01:11:01.674
in terms of, uh,
what's truthful and what's not.

01:11:01.757 --> 01:11:04.677
Even the gender ideology got super crazy
the past couple years.

01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:08.514
Now seeing that there's laws, like,
"Okay, actually, no, there's two."

01:11:08.597 --> 01:11:09.932
"There are only two genders."

01:11:10.015 --> 01:11:12.768
Simple stuff like that,
I think, was really important.

01:11:12.851 --> 01:11:15.020
And I think I deserve…
Me, Fresh&Fit, the Tates,

01:11:15.104 --> 01:11:18.732
I think we deserve a lot of credit
in re-instilling that.

01:11:21.485 --> 01:11:23.821
We should get out there
before it gets too dark.

01:11:23.904 --> 01:11:25.197
Okay, you wanna go?

01:11:27.700 --> 01:11:32.538
My streams became rage bait,
became clips, became angriness.

01:11:32.621 --> 01:11:35.499
And it was going viral,
but it wasn't making people happy.

01:11:35.582 --> 01:11:39.086
Sneako is now putting out
daily short films on X,

01:11:39.169 --> 01:11:41.839
one of the few platforms
he wasn't banned on.

01:11:41.922 --> 01:11:43.048
-Can I get a picture?
-Sure.

01:11:44.174 --> 01:11:48.178
But the flavor of his content
had changed since he converted to Islam.

01:11:50.931 --> 01:11:54.435
His gender politics now came
in spiritual packaging.

01:11:55.936 --> 01:11:56.937
Look at this.

01:11:57.604 --> 01:12:00.190
You know, there's a hadith in Islam
where it says,

01:12:00.274 --> 01:12:03.569
"In the end times, women will dress
as if they're clothed but be fully naked."

01:12:03.652 --> 01:12:06.071
And so, you can see this is the way
that women dress now.

01:12:06.155 --> 01:12:08.490
The… the little skirts
in the advertisements.

01:12:08.574 --> 01:12:11.994
It's… it's everywhere.
Your brain gets tuned into this.

01:12:12.077 --> 01:12:14.079
Yo!

01:12:14.163 --> 01:12:15.831
-Hey, what up?
-Oh my God.

01:12:15.914 --> 01:12:16.915
What's poppin'?

01:12:17.541 --> 01:12:19.335
-What up? What up?
-Yo!

01:12:19.418 --> 01:12:20.878
-What's going on?
-Sneako!

01:12:20.961 --> 01:12:22.921
Watch out. Watch out.

01:12:23.005 --> 01:12:25.966
Oh my God.

01:12:26.717 --> 01:12:28.635
Can we get a picture?

01:12:28.719 --> 01:12:30.471
Let's get a big group one.

01:12:30.554 --> 01:12:32.848
-They're shooting a documentary now.
-Dead-ass?

01:12:32.931 --> 01:12:35.517
-Yeah. I think they don't like me.
-Holy shit.

01:12:36.769 --> 01:12:38.979
-This is mad funny.
-Yeah, yeah.

01:12:39.063 --> 01:12:40.647
Tell me about Sneako.

01:12:40.731 --> 01:12:42.858
People heard the wrong things.

01:12:42.941 --> 01:12:46.487
And, I think, generally,
he's not that bad of a person, but…

01:12:46.570 --> 01:12:49.114
-My guy.
-You know, I heard him out.

01:12:49.198 --> 01:12:50.908
-Appreciate that.
-We're in the road.

01:12:50.991 --> 01:12:53.786
-No one said he did anything wrong.
-People online. People who…

01:12:53.869 --> 01:12:56.747
-What's the perception online?
-People think he's controversial.

01:12:56.830 --> 01:12:58.832
-It's usually about gender.
-Yeah.

01:12:58.916 --> 01:13:01.126
I feel like it's controven--

01:13:01.210 --> 01:13:04.421
-And… and… the Jews. The Jews.
-I love Jews.

01:13:04.505 --> 01:13:07.841
Yeah, nah, some people are saying
he, like… he hates them.

01:13:07.925 --> 01:13:09.134
Nah, nah, that's not true.

01:13:09.218 --> 01:13:12.429
-Where have you seen his content?
-TikTok, YouTube, Instagram.

01:13:12.513 --> 01:13:13.639
He's banned.

01:13:13.722 --> 01:13:15.432
On every one of those, I'm banned.

01:13:15.516 --> 01:13:17.976
-But he's on all of them.
-There's clips.

01:13:18.060 --> 01:13:21.146
Be safe out here. Don't get hit by a car.
Appreciate you guys. Man, stay up.

01:13:21.230 --> 01:13:22.314
Stay up.

01:13:22.398 --> 01:13:24.525
-See you, Sneako!
-See you, Sneako!

01:13:26.026 --> 01:13:28.195
Maybe I'll grab a coffee in here
in this deli.

01:13:30.989 --> 01:13:33.158
Can I have a small coffee,
light and sweet?

01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:35.160
Thank you.

01:13:36.078 --> 01:13:38.414
Look at that.
Is that degenerate or artistic?

01:13:38.497 --> 01:13:41.333
You see the one-eye symbolism?
This is satanic symbolism right here.

01:13:41.416 --> 01:13:42.584
-Do you think so?
-Oh, it is.

01:13:42.668 --> 01:13:44.753
When you cover one eye,
this is what Dajjal looks like.

01:13:44.837 --> 01:13:46.547
The Antichrist is gonna show up
with one eye.

01:13:46.630 --> 01:13:48.924
-So when you see celebrities--
-Come on, stop it.

01:13:49.007 --> 01:13:51.009
How many magazine covers
have one-eye symbolism?

01:13:51.093 --> 01:13:52.594
Every celebrity does it. They all do.

01:13:52.678 --> 01:13:55.139
You've only got two eyes.
You can do two, one, or none.

01:13:55.222 --> 01:13:56.807
But why is it every magazine cover

01:13:56.890 --> 01:13:59.726
you see a celebrity doing
this pose exactly, covering one eye?

01:13:59.810 --> 01:14:01.562
-Are you for real?
-I am for real.

01:14:01.645 --> 01:14:03.897
-Who do you think's behind it?
-The Satanists.

01:14:03.981 --> 01:14:05.649
They're pledging allegiance to Satan.

01:14:05.732 --> 01:14:07.484
Do you think Satanists
are running the world?

01:14:07.568 --> 01:14:08.694
Absolutely.

01:14:08.777 --> 01:14:11.238
Do you?
Okay, now we've got something weird.

01:14:11.321 --> 01:14:13.282
-Yeah. You don't think so?
-No.

01:14:13.365 --> 01:14:15.742
A great example is every award show.

01:14:15.826 --> 01:14:19.204
You know Sam Smith? He's a British guy.
He used to look like you.

01:14:19.288 --> 01:14:22.458
Then suddenly, he became extremely fat.
He became transgender.

01:14:22.541 --> 01:14:24.626
Then now his award shows
are not just spreading LGBT.

01:14:24.710 --> 01:14:29.256
He's straight-up worshiping the devil.
It's not even subtle. The music is saying…

01:14:29.339 --> 01:14:30.716
Something unholy

01:14:30.799 --> 01:14:32.342
And then the way he performs it,

01:14:32.426 --> 01:14:35.179
he puts on the devil horns
with 30 devils onstage,

01:14:35.262 --> 01:14:37.931
and they're simulating having gay sex
at the award show.

01:14:38.015 --> 01:14:41.310
Is this just, like, art?
Or is it part of something bigger?

01:14:41.393 --> 01:14:43.478
Are they trying to spread a message
to the populace?

01:14:43.562 --> 01:14:46.148
So you think there's someone
above Sam Smith and his team…

01:14:46.231 --> 01:14:47.566
-Yeah.
-Who's basically--

01:14:47.649 --> 01:14:50.319
Telling him to do that and steering him
in that direction? Absolutely.

01:14:50.402 --> 01:14:51.403
I strongly doubt it.

01:14:51.487 --> 01:14:54.364
The idea that there's a Satanist cabal
who are somehow running--

01:14:54.448 --> 01:14:57.951
There is. And they want to establish
a one-world government.

01:14:58.035 --> 01:14:59.203
And who's in it?

01:14:59.286 --> 01:15:01.246
Who's in the government?
It doesn't really--

01:15:01.330 --> 01:15:03.123
Who's in the Satanist cabal?

01:15:03.207 --> 01:15:05.501
I mean, I don't know.
I think the Rothschilds started it.

01:15:05.584 --> 01:15:07.419
Is it Jewish in character?

01:15:07.503 --> 01:15:08.921
No. No.

01:15:09.004 --> 01:15:10.923
'Cause that does have
some of the hallmarks

01:15:11.006 --> 01:15:13.133
of an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

01:15:13.217 --> 01:15:17.095
I also think that when you talk about
the world being run by Satanists,

01:15:17.179 --> 01:15:19.056
you've just gone off the deep end.

01:15:19.139 --> 01:15:21.767
The world isn't run by Sam Smith.

01:15:21.850 --> 01:15:24.895
No, but evil people that control him do.

01:15:35.822 --> 01:15:38.408
Sneako had disavowed the red pill

01:15:38.492 --> 01:15:41.078
but leaned further
into conspiracy theories.

01:15:41.662 --> 01:15:42.663
Nice.

01:15:43.372 --> 01:15:47.209
It was part of a pattern
across the world of influencers.

01:15:47.292 --> 01:15:50.295
I mean, let's just look
at the nature of the Jew.

01:15:50.379 --> 01:15:53.340
To push false narratives
about a shadowy cabal

01:15:53.423 --> 01:15:56.009
who is plotting the social downfall
of the West

01:15:56.093 --> 01:15:58.095
by promoting degeneracy,

01:15:58.178 --> 01:16:01.848
often with
an explicitly anti-Semitic flavor.

01:16:01.932 --> 01:16:06.812
Who pushed feminism? The fucking Jews.
Who pushed homosexuality? The Jews.

01:16:06.895 --> 01:16:08.897
These are conversations
they don't want you to hear.

01:16:08.981 --> 01:16:13.277
It felt like, for some,
the talk of the matrix ended up here.

01:16:13.360 --> 01:16:16.613
I feel like the people who run the world
don't have our best intentions.

01:16:16.697 --> 01:16:19.908
I'd heard similar ideas
from Ed in Marbella.

01:16:19.992 --> 01:16:23.203
They use vibrations
that are gonna negatively bring you down.

01:16:23.287 --> 01:16:25.497
And who do you think controls all of that?

01:16:27.624 --> 01:16:28.792
The Jews.

01:16:29.626 --> 01:16:31.670
I'm gonna strongly disagree about that.

01:16:32.254 --> 01:16:34.006
And Myron in Florida.

01:16:34.506 --> 01:16:37.801
Do you feel like it's become fashionable
to blame Jews for things

01:16:37.884 --> 01:16:39.970
in the red-pill community?

01:16:40.470 --> 01:16:41.513
Well…

01:16:42.764 --> 01:16:44.850
-Can I get a drink of water then answer?
-Sure.

01:16:44.933 --> 01:16:46.852
All right. I'll be right back.

01:16:47.769 --> 01:16:49.313
Sorry about that. Okay.

01:16:50.272 --> 01:16:53.108
So… I think a big reason

01:16:53.191 --> 01:16:55.152
why so many people
are talking about it now

01:16:55.235 --> 01:16:58.155
is because it's a topic
that's been censored for decades.

01:16:58.238 --> 01:17:00.824
It was one of the topics
that would get you banned immediately

01:17:00.907 --> 01:17:02.409
on any mainstream platform.

01:17:02.492 --> 01:17:05.912
Fuck the Jews!
Fuck the Jews! Fuck the Jews!

01:17:05.996 --> 01:17:07.789
Another was HS.

01:17:07.873 --> 01:17:11.793
Theroux's just sat there
with his Jew fingers, like, "Yes."

01:17:11.877 --> 01:17:14.463
Seemingly leaping
onto a bandwagon of hate.

01:17:14.546 --> 01:17:15.839
What are you saying, bro?

01:17:15.922 --> 01:17:18.967
Because he knew it was so shocking,
it would be clippable.

01:17:19.051 --> 01:17:20.552
Nice to meet you.

01:17:20.635 --> 01:17:23.138
It almost felt like an inflationary spiral

01:17:23.221 --> 01:17:24.765
of racism and bigotry

01:17:24.848 --> 01:17:28.852
in order to get people's attention,
and that this could quickly escalate.

01:17:28.935 --> 01:17:31.021
Where you at? Where you at, pussy ho?

01:17:31.104 --> 01:17:32.230
Where you at, pussy?

01:17:32.314 --> 01:17:34.483
Stranger still, it seemed to me

01:17:34.566 --> 01:17:37.903
that it was all with the aim
of selling products to teenagers.

01:17:37.986 --> 01:17:40.280
Son of a bitch!
Come on, bitch! Are you dumb?

01:17:50.374 --> 01:17:54.461
I'd once taken £500
and joined HS's investment group,

01:17:54.544 --> 01:17:56.380
making trades with its advice,

01:17:56.463 --> 01:17:59.633
hoping to join the ranks
of those who'd levelled up.

01:17:59.716 --> 01:18:03.470
With its help, after two months,
my money was mostly gone.

01:18:05.847 --> 01:18:09.351
But it was less about the money
than how it seemed symptomatic

01:18:09.434 --> 01:18:11.812
of a world where nothing
was quite as advertised.

01:18:11.895 --> 01:18:18.443
The romance, the confidence, the wealth
were all either illusory or out of reach.

01:18:18.527 --> 01:18:23.031
And the anger seemed a compensation
for the fear of being exposed.

01:18:23.949 --> 01:18:26.368
Theroux come in,
yeah, trying to give it all large,

01:18:26.451 --> 01:18:27.911
trying to chat all this shit.

01:18:27.994 --> 01:18:31.081
So, what if Louis comes out
and wants to chat crap? I don't care.

01:18:31.915 --> 01:18:37.921
If you wanna call me a pimp,
scammer, racist, homophobic dickhead,

01:18:38.004 --> 01:18:39.673
I'm all of those, Theroux.

01:18:40.257 --> 01:18:42.759
I didn't even know who you were
before this documentary,

01:18:42.843 --> 01:18:45.595
and I won't know who you are after.
I do not give a fuck.

01:18:47.389 --> 01:18:51.977
HS was now more visible than ever,
his social media following up,

01:18:52.060 --> 01:18:55.105
mainstream papers
and TV shows taking notice.

01:18:55.188 --> 01:18:56.857
The digital world he inhabited meant

01:18:56.940 --> 01:19:00.193
that instead of being cancelled,
he was riding high.

01:19:04.865 --> 01:19:07.701
And so I'd decided to see him
one last time,

01:19:07.784 --> 01:19:11.538
hoping to level with him
about the troubling attitudes he promoted.

01:19:11.621 --> 01:19:12.873
Oh my goodness.

01:19:13.457 --> 01:19:14.624
Hi!

01:19:15.125 --> 01:19:16.710
-You must be Elaine.
-I am Elaine.

01:19:16.793 --> 01:19:18.003
-You must be Louis.
-I am.

01:19:18.086 --> 01:19:20.964
He was in Marbella,
still on the run from his car crash case

01:19:21.047 --> 01:19:23.300
and being visited by his mum, Elaine.

01:19:23.383 --> 01:19:25.385
-Thanks for doing this.
-You're welcome.

01:19:25.469 --> 01:19:26.344
There's Sam.

01:19:27.387 --> 01:19:31.057
As soon as I arrived,
I sensed a slightly weird vibe.

01:19:31.641 --> 01:19:33.685
Are you a fan of HS's content?

01:19:33.769 --> 01:19:35.937
Well, I don't think of him as HS.

01:19:36.021 --> 01:19:37.481
-He's Harrison.
-Mm.

01:19:37.564 --> 01:19:39.900
If anyone went through
and said that they agreed

01:19:39.983 --> 01:19:42.652
with absolutely everything
their child did and said,

01:19:42.736 --> 01:19:44.404
then they'd be telling an untruth.

01:19:44.488 --> 01:19:46.573
So, of course,
there's things I don't agree with.

01:19:46.656 --> 01:19:48.450
And he knows that.

01:19:48.533 --> 01:19:50.702
You've talked
about traditional gender roles

01:19:50.786 --> 01:19:55.707
and actually thinking that, in general,
men should order women around, right?

01:19:55.791 --> 01:19:59.628
"Men should order women around"?
I think that's a bit of an extreme.

01:19:59.711 --> 01:20:03.131
You have said that you thought
that it'd be better to marry a virgin.

01:20:03.882 --> 01:20:05.550
Yeah, I've… Ideally.

01:20:06.218 --> 01:20:08.845
Why do I want a ting
that's been run through?

01:20:09.387 --> 01:20:12.140
That type of thing,
the way women are stereotyped

01:20:12.224 --> 01:20:16.186
if they have multiple partners
to the way that men are,

01:20:16.269 --> 01:20:19.189
I find it… extraordinary.

01:20:19.272 --> 01:20:22.859
But it's been like that
since the beginning of time. And sadly--

01:20:22.943 --> 01:20:26.696
-We should push back on that.
-Well, yes, but…

01:20:26.780 --> 01:20:28.573
-He's shaking his head.
-No.

01:20:28.657 --> 01:20:31.243
Most women in the world
are not like my mum.

01:20:31.326 --> 01:20:33.912
Most are thick. Most.

01:20:33.995 --> 01:20:35.956
-Most women?
-Most--

01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:37.749
Sorry. In the handful that you've met?

01:20:37.833 --> 01:20:42.212
You're not talking to women of my age.
You're talking to…

01:20:42.295 --> 01:20:44.548
About 30.

01:20:46.174 --> 01:20:48.760
What struck me in the last week or so,

01:20:48.844 --> 01:20:50.554
I've seen clips of HS saying,

01:20:50.637 --> 01:20:55.976
"Call me racist, call me misogynist,
call me homophobic, call me a scammer."

01:20:56.059 --> 01:20:57.727
"I'm all those things."

01:20:57.811 --> 01:20:59.980
Yeah, that's my way
of saying I don't care.

01:21:00.063 --> 01:21:02.482
-Do you feel you are those things?
-No.

01:21:02.566 --> 01:21:04.568
-I think you're homophobic.
-I'm not homophobic.

01:21:04.651 --> 01:21:05.986
-He's not.
-I have a gay mate.

01:21:06.069 --> 01:21:09.030
But you said that if you had a son,
and he was gay, you'd disown him.

01:21:11.533 --> 01:21:12.742
That's not homophobic.

01:21:12.826 --> 01:21:16.621
The other thing was some of
the anti-Semitic things you were saying.

01:21:17.664 --> 01:21:19.040
He's Jewish.

01:21:19.541 --> 01:21:21.626
Have I said in a clip,
"Fuck the Jews"? Yes.

01:21:22.252 --> 01:21:24.963
Does that mean I'm anti-Semitic?
No. I'm clip-farming.

01:21:25.046 --> 01:21:27.132
Kids watch this stuff, don't they?

01:21:27.215 --> 01:21:29.509
So they look up to you
like you're their superhero.

01:21:29.593 --> 01:21:31.428
They hear that.
They think it's acceptable.

01:21:31.511 --> 01:21:33.555
That's the parents' fault.
That's not my fault.

01:21:33.638 --> 01:21:36.016
I don't need to censor myself.
I'll say what I want.

01:21:36.099 --> 01:21:38.602
I've had 13-year-olds come up to me,
and I'm like,

01:21:38.685 --> 01:21:42.022
"Mate, why are you watching my stuff?
You're too young to watch my stuff."

01:21:42.105 --> 01:21:45.400
13-year-olds, 14, 15
is probably, like, your main demographic.

01:21:45.483 --> 01:21:46.985
No, it isn't.

01:21:48.528 --> 01:21:51.114
This character over here
is the one I'm worried about.

01:21:51.197 --> 01:21:52.490
So sinister.

01:21:52.574 --> 01:21:55.285
-Yeah. We've all got the cameras out.
-Jeez.

01:21:55.911 --> 01:21:59.164
As we spoke,
I was increasingly aware of Sam's filming,

01:21:59.247 --> 01:22:02.042
and that HS was probably streaming
to a live audience.

01:22:02.125 --> 01:22:03.293
Now I was…

01:22:03.376 --> 01:22:04.544
Zoom in.

01:22:04.628 --> 01:22:05.712
Can you zoom in a bit?

01:22:05.795 --> 01:22:08.256
Performing provocations for the chat.

01:22:09.174 --> 01:22:12.177
For you, the only metric is making money.
It doesn't really--

01:22:12.260 --> 01:22:14.471
Making money, being healthy, being happy.

01:22:16.014 --> 01:22:20.226
If I wasn't doing social media,
I'd be up the city, playing that game.

01:22:20.310 --> 01:22:23.647
Now, I'm playing the game of life,
and I'm playing it very well.

01:22:23.730 --> 01:22:26.858
Do you believe in doing the right thing
for its own sake?

01:22:26.942 --> 01:22:29.527
Obviously, you've got a couple
of criminal cases, right?

01:22:29.611 --> 01:22:32.697
Oh, look, this is the twat shit
that you start saying, bro.

01:22:32.781 --> 01:22:36.034
Honestly, this is the stuff
that pisses me off.

01:22:37.035 --> 01:22:38.328
Why do you need to go there?

01:22:38.411 --> 01:22:41.331
He's not gonna talk
about any issues with the law.

01:22:41.414 --> 01:22:42.874
I'm talking about what's reported.

01:22:42.958 --> 01:22:45.794
-You don't have to say anything.
-You're such a little twat, mate.

01:22:45.877 --> 01:22:49.839
You've done it just to get a reaction,
so please don't, or else it will end.

01:22:49.923 --> 01:22:51.841
If you don't agree
with what Harrison's doing,

01:22:51.925 --> 01:22:55.387
then why are you making money off of it
on a program by publicizing it?

01:22:55.470 --> 01:22:58.056
You're doing it because you think
he's a controversial character,

01:22:58.139 --> 01:22:59.599
so you're making money off it.

01:22:59.683 --> 01:23:02.018
And that's why…
that's all your programs are.

01:23:02.102 --> 01:23:05.355
-Even with your mate Jimmy Savile.
-What you choose to cut-- Yeah.

01:23:05.438 --> 01:23:07.816
-Even with your good mate Jimmy Savile.
-Come on.

01:23:08.983 --> 01:23:10.568
Theroux cooked.

01:23:10.652 --> 01:23:13.655
I get Jimmy Savile energy
from some of the manosphere figures.

01:23:13.738 --> 01:23:15.281
Jimmy Savile used to refer to women…

01:23:15.365 --> 01:23:18.952
HS seemed to have changed tactics
to put me on the back foot.

01:23:19.494 --> 01:23:20.870
-A question?
-Absolutely.

01:23:20.954 --> 01:23:22.914
Are Israel committing genocide?

01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.001
You're a puppet.
You can't say what you want.

01:23:27.085 --> 01:23:28.920
-I wanna think about--
-You're a puppet.

01:23:29.004 --> 01:23:29.963
In my opinion--

01:23:30.046 --> 01:23:32.424
You're a puppet the same way you are
for Savile. Puppet.

01:23:32.507 --> 01:23:34.092
Are you livestreaming at the moment?

01:23:34.175 --> 01:23:36.219
No, we're filming for a YouTube video.

01:23:36.302 --> 01:23:37.470
I think you're livestreaming.

01:23:37.554 --> 01:23:39.222
With me, I don't have to edit.

01:23:39.305 --> 01:23:41.391
I don't do this bullshit editing
that you do,

01:23:41.474 --> 01:23:43.143
where this wouldn't be in the show.

01:23:43.226 --> 01:23:46.396
'Cause I'm real. I'm raw.
I'm not a puppet. I'm not controlled.

01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:47.564
No one's my daddy.

01:23:47.647 --> 01:23:49.691
Savile's your daddy.
The Jews are your daddy.

01:23:49.774 --> 01:23:51.860
You know it. I don't give a fuck.

01:23:53.111 --> 01:23:57.574
This is why I say what I believe,
and I don't need to edit anything, ever.

01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:01.286
Ever. Nothing with me
needs to be edited out.

01:24:01.369 --> 01:24:04.622
Put what you want about me on the net,
I don't give a toss.

01:24:08.626 --> 01:24:14.340
HS's declaration to his camera
and his live audience was, I realized,

01:24:14.424 --> 01:24:16.092
his grand finale.

01:24:18.678 --> 01:24:20.722
Are you a fan of HS's content?

01:24:20.805 --> 01:24:22.849
Well, I don't think of him as HS.

01:24:22.932 --> 01:24:26.061
Within minutes, content
from the stream had gone viral.

01:24:26.144 --> 01:24:29.147
Look, this is the twat shit
that you start saying, bro.

01:24:29.230 --> 01:24:31.066
Edited by HS's clippers

01:24:31.149 --> 01:24:34.068
into short snippets
with clickbait headlines.

01:24:34.152 --> 01:24:36.529
You're a puppet.
You can't say what you want to say.

01:24:36.613 --> 01:24:38.406
-I wanna think about--
-You're a puppet.

01:24:38.490 --> 01:24:42.035
Louis is owned by the fucking Jews!

01:24:43.578 --> 01:24:46.039
Later, I caught up with the whole stream.

01:24:46.623 --> 01:24:48.958
-We're live.
-We're live, yeah?

01:24:49.042 --> 01:24:51.169
All right, good.
All right, let's show him.

01:24:51.252 --> 01:24:52.962
Five minutes till Theroux's here.

01:24:53.046 --> 01:24:56.633
On Sam's camera,
it unfolded very differently.

01:24:56.716 --> 01:24:58.885
Even with your good mate Jimmy Savile,
mate.

01:24:58.968 --> 01:25:01.679
-Theroux cooked.
-I get Jimmy Savile energy…

01:25:01.763 --> 01:25:05.308
The anonymous commenters
marionetting HS's performance

01:25:05.391 --> 01:25:06.684
as they fed him questions.

01:25:08.228 --> 01:25:10.980
Can I ask you a question?
Are Israel committing genocide?

01:25:11.064 --> 01:25:13.316
Of all the material,
what I was most struck by

01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:16.277
were the moments with HS's mum
before the interview.

01:25:16.361 --> 01:25:19.072
-It's just what I like.
-That juice bar you get the things from.

01:25:19.155 --> 01:25:21.116
-They'll have ginger.
-I don't want a juice.

01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:22.909
You don't have to have juice.

01:25:22.992 --> 01:25:25.161
Mummy, I don't want a juice bar.
All right?

01:25:25.245 --> 01:25:28.623
Don't embarrass me. Don't be rude.
That's not the way I've brought you up.

01:25:28.706 --> 01:25:30.166
-Do not be rude.
-I won't be.

01:25:30.250 --> 01:25:32.794
-'Cause it's a reflection on me.
-All right, I won't be.

01:25:33.419 --> 01:25:36.214
They had an unlikely domestic flavor.

01:25:36.297 --> 01:25:38.675
-Done.
-Can you get… Look at this!

01:25:38.758 --> 01:25:41.219
I'm not having them come in here…
Look. Get out of the way.

01:25:43.638 --> 01:25:45.974
Hello, YouTube.

01:25:46.057 --> 01:25:51.146
I'm going to do chubby bunnies
with marshmallows.

01:25:52.105 --> 01:25:56.192
Put one marshmallow in your mouth,
and then you say, "Chubby bunny."

01:25:56.276 --> 01:25:59.362
It's tempting to see
the extreme male influencers

01:25:59.445 --> 01:26:03.825
as adversaries spewing hate,
and in some ways, they are.

01:26:04.951 --> 01:26:06.244
I wanted to be a doctor.

01:26:06.327 --> 01:26:08.496
That's what my Filipino grandparents said
I wanted to be.

01:26:08.580 --> 01:26:09.914
One of the few stereotypes…

01:26:09.998 --> 01:26:12.542
But they are also products of a culture,

01:26:12.625 --> 01:26:16.546
growing up online in a world
that's changing at dizzying speed

01:26:16.629 --> 01:26:18.673
with narrowing opportunities,

01:26:18.756 --> 01:26:22.468
where the old entitlements of manhood
have been challenged.

01:26:24.721 --> 01:26:28.057
It is perhaps not surprising
that some have sought the comfort

01:26:28.141 --> 01:26:31.936
of a simplified world of gain hacks
and conspiracy theories.

01:26:34.606 --> 01:26:36.941
It struck me that the matrix
they rail against

01:26:37.025 --> 01:26:39.861
more accurately describes
the algorithmic prison

01:26:39.944 --> 01:26:42.405
they've created for their followers.

01:26:43.406 --> 01:26:45.867
An illusion of endless wealth and power

01:26:45.950 --> 01:26:49.245
that actually only enriches a few
at the top.

01:26:58.338 --> 01:27:00.423
USA! USA! USA!

01:27:00.506 --> 01:27:01.674
With their ascendancy,

01:27:01.758 --> 01:27:05.094
we are in a world
where the fringe is no longer fringe.

01:27:05.178 --> 01:27:09.724
We kept a female president
from taking power. Let's go!

01:27:09.807 --> 01:27:13.311
Where we are all increasingly
inside the manosphere.

01:27:13.394 --> 01:27:14.854
I'll take it, mate.

01:27:14.938 --> 01:27:17.732
And it's up to us how we get out.

01:27:17.815 --> 01:27:19.067
-Nice to meet you.
-Thank you.

01:27:19.150 --> 01:27:20.360
Have a good time. See you.

01:27:29.744 --> 01:27:33.331
A TikTok influencer
who spent nearly a year on the run

01:27:33.414 --> 01:27:34.832
has been spared jail

01:27:34.916 --> 01:27:38.544
after receiving
a one-year suspended custodial sentence.

01:27:38.628 --> 01:27:42.382
That's for dangerous driving
and also driving without insurance.

01:27:42.465 --> 01:27:46.302
He's known as HSTikkyTokky.

01:27:53.184 --> 01:27:55.770
This shit is on me, bro.
Like, it's not on her whatsoever.

01:27:55.853 --> 01:27:59.357
We haven't been together for a minute,
and she wants a family.

01:28:00.233 --> 01:28:01.526
And I can't give that to her now.

01:28:09.867 --> 01:28:11.911
This is my first video back on YouTube.

01:28:11.995 --> 01:28:13.079
I did it.

01:28:13.955 --> 01:28:15.707
I don't know. Should I post this?

01:28:18.376 --> 01:28:19.419
Ready?
know. Should I post this?