WEBVTT 00:00:08.925 --> 00:00:11.636 align:center I did a documentary today with this guy, Louis Theroux. 00:00:11.720 --> 00:00:13.722 align:center Um, that took a majority of the day. 00:00:13.805 --> 00:00:17.517 align:center I don't know who he is, but apparently, he's a respected documentarian. 00:00:18.476 --> 00:00:20.270 align:center Do you guys know who this is? 00:00:21.646 --> 00:00:22.856 align:center Louis Theroux. 00:00:23.732 --> 00:00:25.108 align:center Oh shit. 00:00:25.191 --> 00:00:27.277 align:center Is he gonna do a hit piece on me? 00:00:27.360 --> 00:00:30.488 align:center I don't know what Louis's move is, but everyone's telling me 00:00:30.572 --> 00:00:32.615 align:center he goes out of his way to try to fuck people. 00:00:32.699 --> 00:00:36.244 align:center So, I didn't really know that. I think I handled it well so far. 00:00:36.327 --> 00:00:39.539 align:center "Louis Theroux is gonna be a full-on hit piece." 00:00:41.249 --> 00:00:42.250 align:center Probably, mate. 00:00:42.834 --> 00:00:45.503 align:center "Myron, you know this Brit cuck is going to make a hit piece?" 00:00:45.587 --> 00:00:47.964 align:center "He's so woke, his wife makes him pee sitting down." 00:00:48.047 --> 00:00:52.177 align:center He's like… "What do you think Sneako's message is?" 00:00:52.260 --> 00:00:53.636 align:center Do I sound like that? 00:00:54.804 --> 00:00:55.805 align:center A little bit. 00:00:59.559 --> 00:01:02.937 align:center A man who's not dangerous will never be seen as successful. 00:01:03.021 --> 00:01:04.314 align:center You can't be a little bitch. 00:01:04.397 --> 00:01:06.858 align:center Men against women. It's attack on masculinity. 00:01:06.941 --> 00:01:09.986 align:center If your bitch is going to a club when you said no… 00:01:10.070 --> 00:01:12.322 align:center -I agree. -…destroy her fucking life. 00:01:13.990 --> 00:01:15.075 align:center A few years ago, 00:01:15.158 --> 00:01:18.328 align:center I noticed that parts of the Internet were being taken over… 00:01:18.411 --> 00:01:23.416 align:center Yo, a lot of you need to wake up! Wake up! 00:01:23.500 --> 00:01:26.127 align:center …by a collection of male influencers. 00:01:26.211 --> 00:01:27.545 align:center We're like the last stand 00:01:27.629 --> 00:01:30.173 align:center against this fucking bullshit that's going on. 00:01:33.384 --> 00:01:35.178 align:center They claimed to be giving young men 00:01:35.261 --> 00:01:37.680 align:center the cheat codes to win at life. 00:01:38.515 --> 00:01:41.309 align:center I made £6,000 before I got out of bed this morning. 00:01:43.853 --> 00:01:45.605 align:center They had millions of followers. 00:01:45.688 --> 00:01:46.940 align:center -Top G. -Fuck the women! 00:01:47.023 --> 00:01:48.650 align:center -What? -All gays should die! 00:01:48.733 --> 00:01:50.568 align:center -Fuck gays! -What have I done? 00:01:50.652 --> 00:01:54.948 align:center They boasted about having access at the highest levels of power. 00:01:55.031 --> 00:01:57.158 align:center Donald Trump is the future of the Western world. 00:01:57.242 --> 00:01:59.202 align:center And he's a good friend of mine. I'm gonna help him. 00:02:01.121 --> 00:02:03.456 align:center I became curious why some of them held 00:02:03.540 --> 00:02:05.750 align:center such extreme beliefs. 00:02:05.834 --> 00:02:07.293 align:center There is a war on men being strong. 00:02:07.961 --> 00:02:10.797 align:center And whether they really were what they seemed. 00:02:10.880 --> 00:02:14.676 align:center I've now personally fucked 2,000 women, which is quite an accomplishment. 00:02:16.636 --> 00:02:19.806 align:center They were deeply mistrustful of mainstream media, 00:02:19.889 --> 00:02:21.307 align:center but after months of effort, 00:02:21.391 --> 00:02:25.895 align:center I'd managed to find a way inside the new world of men 00:02:25.979 --> 00:02:29.858 align:center who were redefining what it means to be a man. 00:02:58.011 --> 00:03:00.638 align:center -Hey, we're looking for Harrison. -He's through here. 00:03:00.722 --> 00:03:04.434 align:center -Can we come in? -Uh, one second. One second. 00:03:04.517 --> 00:03:06.436 align:center Early 2025… 00:03:06.519 --> 00:03:08.646 align:center -Here he is. -Hello, hello. 00:03:08.730 --> 00:03:12.275 align:center …after protracted negotiations, I'd arranged two days of filming 00:03:12.358 --> 00:03:15.570 align:center with an influencer named Harrison Sullivan. 00:03:15.653 --> 00:03:18.406 align:center -Permission to come aboard? -You've got some big cameras. 00:03:18.489 --> 00:03:20.408 align:center Of course we do. We're the real deal. 00:03:20.491 --> 00:03:21.743 align:center We're not YouTubers. 00:03:21.826 --> 00:03:24.245 align:center -How are you doing? -Okay. Okay, then. 00:03:24.329 --> 00:03:26.414 align:center -I like your setup. -Professional videographer. 00:03:26.497 --> 00:03:29.626 align:center -Are we content sharing? Filming. -We are. We are, indeed. 00:03:29.709 --> 00:03:31.044 align:center -We have cameras. -Are you live? 00:03:31.127 --> 00:03:31.961 align:center -No. -No. 00:03:32.045 --> 00:03:33.838 align:center -Are we all right to go in? -100%, man. 00:03:33.922 --> 00:03:35.381 align:center -Should we go in? Yeah. -100%. 00:03:36.841 --> 00:03:39.636 align:center So, this is my dishwasher over here. 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:41.930 align:center -My cleaner. -I'm not the dishwasher. 00:03:42.013 --> 00:03:44.224 align:center -Say hello. This is going on Netflix. -Nice to meet you. 00:03:44.307 --> 00:03:45.642 align:center -Louis. What's your name? -Kacey. 00:03:45.725 --> 00:03:47.936 align:center -I think I've seen you on the socials. -Have you? 00:03:48.019 --> 00:03:51.981 align:center Yeah, there was a clip you put up. Do you do TikTok? What's your platform? 00:03:52.065 --> 00:03:55.193 align:center Yeah, a little bit. It's kacey._may on TikTok. 00:03:55.276 --> 00:03:58.154 align:center -Yeah, I like that. -Who else have we got? 00:03:58.238 --> 00:04:00.657 align:center I'm… I'm known as The Naarn Slayer. 00:04:00.740 --> 00:04:03.076 align:center And the reason I'm here is 'cause Harrison chose me. 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.371 align:center -I was a fan, and I got flown out here. -Are you part of the team? 00:04:06.454 --> 00:04:08.164 align:center -I'm part of the team. -What do you do? 00:04:08.248 --> 00:04:11.626 align:center I also won the Range Rover giveaway that Harrison did on YouTube. 00:04:11.709 --> 00:04:14.003 align:center -Who else have we got? -I've got close protection. 00:04:14.087 --> 00:04:15.171 align:center Who's that? 00:04:15.255 --> 00:04:18.007 align:center Oh! 00:04:18.508 --> 00:04:20.093 align:center Okay. 00:04:20.176 --> 00:04:22.345 align:center What the fuck are you doing with your life? 00:04:22.428 --> 00:04:25.974 align:center I'm waking up, my two-grand-a-night villa, out in Ibiza, 00:04:26.057 --> 00:04:27.183 align:center living the fucking life. 00:04:27.267 --> 00:04:30.770 align:center Harrison streams under the name HSTikkyTokky. 00:04:30.853 --> 00:04:32.522 align:center Right, where's the muff at? 00:04:32.605 --> 00:04:36.150 align:center Just 23, he's famous for his offensive content… 00:04:36.234 --> 00:04:37.527 align:center My name's Dora. 00:04:37.610 --> 00:04:40.989 align:center Dora, Dora. Okay. Okay. My name's "Sung-min." 00:04:41.072 --> 00:04:45.076 align:center …and for showing off his riches and physical prowess online. 00:04:45.159 --> 00:04:47.537 align:center Lambo, B! Come on! 00:04:47.620 --> 00:04:50.331 align:center Encouraging his fans to reject the system, 00:04:50.415 --> 00:04:53.167 align:center which he calls the matrix, and follow him. 00:04:53.251 --> 00:04:55.837 align:center Police in Surrey have launched an appeal to find Harrison Sullivan, 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:57.422 align:center also known as HSTikkyTokky. 00:04:57.505 --> 00:04:58.589 align:center The 23-year-old is… 00:04:58.673 --> 00:05:01.426 align:center Since fleeing a car crash, he'd been on the run, 00:05:01.509 --> 00:05:04.971 align:center but remained massively popular with his millions of followers, 00:05:05.054 --> 00:05:09.851 align:center posting a constant stream of content, much of it featuring female influencers. 00:05:10.351 --> 00:05:12.437 align:center What is your favorite thing about me? 00:05:13.229 --> 00:05:14.230 align:center Your money. 00:05:14.313 --> 00:05:18.443 align:center Oh my God. Wow. 00:05:20.653 --> 00:05:23.156 align:center Most people would know you as a content creator. 00:05:23.239 --> 00:05:24.991 align:center What would you say is the message? 00:05:25.074 --> 00:05:30.246 align:center I… I coach boys how to be fucking boys, how to make money, be outside the system, 00:05:30.330 --> 00:05:32.165 align:center how to not have a boss telling you what to do. 00:05:32.248 --> 00:05:35.376 align:center I teach guys to be proper guys, not these little soy boys, 00:05:35.460 --> 00:05:38.129 align:center little gimps that walk around in the modern day. 00:05:38.212 --> 00:05:39.964 align:center Would you see me that way? 00:05:40.048 --> 00:05:41.549 align:center Um… 00:05:41.632 --> 00:05:44.427 align:center I'm not sure. I'd have to see how… what your skills are. 00:05:44.510 --> 00:05:46.054 align:center Did you look at my arms? 00:05:46.554 --> 00:05:49.849 align:center Well, I just sort of checked your… your… your stature out. 00:05:49.932 --> 00:05:51.225 align:center -Did you? -Yeah, yeah. 00:05:51.309 --> 00:05:54.645 align:center -Go on. -The stature's not saying too much. 00:05:57.565 --> 00:06:00.985 align:center -Do you wanna get to the gym? -Yeah, let's go. Definitely. 00:06:10.828 --> 00:06:12.830 align:center All right, boys, so we're in the gym, 00:06:12.914 --> 00:06:15.583 align:center filming a, uh, gym workout. 00:06:16.167 --> 00:06:17.293 align:center Let's go. 00:06:17.377 --> 00:06:21.422 align:center Now, this is a sick gym. Training outside, it's, like… it's nice. 00:06:21.506 --> 00:06:24.509 align:center Very nice. I like to start… I normally train earlier in the day. 00:06:24.592 --> 00:06:26.719 align:center I like to start my day working out, doing hard things. 00:06:26.803 --> 00:06:29.263 align:center -Who are you talking to? -What? Do I not talk to them? 00:06:29.347 --> 00:06:30.640 align:center -Not really. -Talk to you? 00:06:30.723 --> 00:06:32.975 align:center We're not on social media now. This is a real documentary. 00:06:33.059 --> 00:06:35.520 align:center This is TV. This is the, uh, level up from that. 00:06:35.603 --> 00:06:38.606 align:center Sorry. I forgot, mate. I'm used to my mere social media life. 00:06:38.689 --> 00:06:40.775 align:center -We just pretend those aren't there. -Fair enough. 00:06:40.858 --> 00:06:43.319 align:center So, I'm used to training first thing in the morning. 00:06:43.402 --> 00:06:44.987 align:center -Every day? -Every day. 00:06:45.071 --> 00:06:46.406 align:center Do you do a leg day? 00:06:46.489 --> 00:06:48.282 align:center Yeah. Can you tell? 00:06:49.450 --> 00:06:51.619 align:center Yeah. Silly question, that. Innit, mate? 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:53.830 align:center Calves need a little work. 00:06:53.913 --> 00:06:56.749 align:center They do. They do. 00:07:01.379 --> 00:07:04.298 align:center HS's content on TikTok and Instagram is a gateway 00:07:04.382 --> 00:07:08.302 align:center to a second level of social media, his Telegram group, 00:07:08.386 --> 00:07:11.556 align:center where he has over half a million followers. 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:13.516 align:center Listen, if you wanna see the behind the scenes, 00:07:13.599 --> 00:07:16.185 align:center the shit I cannot put on YouTube 'cause it's too loose, 00:07:16.269 --> 00:07:17.353 align:center get inside my Telegram. 00:07:18.479 --> 00:07:21.607 align:center Here, there are links to the accounts of X-rated performers 00:07:21.691 --> 00:07:25.153 align:center on the subscription-based platform OnlyFans. 00:07:25.236 --> 00:07:29.699 align:center As well as content of scantily clad women, there are also appeals to sign up to apps 00:07:29.782 --> 00:07:34.537 align:center that offer financial services, where you can follow HS's trading tips. 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:39.041 align:center I've just got in the apartment. £10,000 in an hour and a half. 00:07:39.125 --> 00:07:42.086 align:center What more do you need to see, you idiots? 00:07:42.170 --> 00:07:44.630 align:center He regularly posts videos to his Telegram 00:07:44.714 --> 00:07:48.301 align:center about his supposed financial success and the way to achieve it. 00:07:48.384 --> 00:07:51.721 align:center In both cases, HS takes a cut of the income. 00:07:51.804 --> 00:07:54.974 align:center Don't hesitate. Don't wait. You can be making hundreds of pounds today, 00:07:55.057 --> 00:07:57.852 align:center or you can still be doing the same bullshit that you do. 00:07:57.935 --> 00:07:59.312 align:center Send a message now. Let's go. 00:08:01.689 --> 00:08:03.858 align:center I'm not gonna stop at small scale. 00:08:03.941 --> 00:08:06.194 align:center By the time I'm, you know, your age, 00:08:06.277 --> 00:08:11.365 align:center I'd like to have a hundreds of millions valuated company, you know? 00:08:11.449 --> 00:08:12.992 align:center Maybe even in the billions. 00:08:13.075 --> 00:08:14.785 align:center Do you manage OnlyFans girls? 00:08:14.869 --> 00:08:19.123 align:center I don't personally manage them, but I bought an agency that does. 00:08:19.207 --> 00:08:21.250 align:center Do I agree with it? No. 00:08:21.334 --> 00:08:22.919 align:center Would I profit off it? Yeah. 00:08:23.002 --> 00:08:25.630 align:center I'm a businessman, man. I'm not doing it for fucking fun. 00:08:25.713 --> 00:08:28.132 align:center Not what my daughter will be involved with. 00:08:28.216 --> 00:08:31.135 align:center -I'd disown my daughter. Like, then… -Would you? 00:08:31.219 --> 00:08:33.262 align:center -To say the least. -If she done something like that? 00:08:33.346 --> 00:08:35.223 align:center -That's easy to say. -It disgusts me. 00:08:35.306 --> 00:08:38.434 align:center -Same way if my son come out gay. -What, seriously? 00:08:38.518 --> 00:08:41.312 align:center Being gay nowadays is considered quite normal. 00:08:41.395 --> 00:08:42.897 align:center -Not my son. -Why? 00:08:42.980 --> 00:08:44.232 align:center Just not my son, innit? 00:08:44.315 --> 00:08:46.901 align:center To say, like, you'd disown him, that's a big statement. 00:08:46.984 --> 00:08:49.237 align:center Did your values come from your mum, mainly? 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.864 align:center No, my mum's very… My mum's different. 00:08:51.948 --> 00:08:53.866 align:center My mum would be disappointed that I said that. 00:08:53.950 --> 00:08:57.245 align:center -Really? -Yeah. She hates racism. 00:08:57.328 --> 00:08:59.914 align:center She hates, like, homophobia. 00:08:59.997 --> 00:09:03.251 align:center -Sexism? -Sexism? She hates sexism. 00:09:03.334 --> 00:09:05.962 align:center She hates all that shit. So if I was like, uh… 00:09:06.045 --> 00:09:09.382 align:center Like, the women cleaning and that. I wouldn't say that around my mum. 00:09:09.465 --> 00:09:10.716 align:center -Really? -I'd get a slap. 00:09:23.062 --> 00:09:25.523 align:center -Go in the garden? Show you? -Sure. Why not? 00:09:26.107 --> 00:09:27.858 align:center It's a nice, nice base. 00:09:30.361 --> 00:09:31.571 align:center How did you come up? 00:09:31.654 --> 00:09:35.074 align:center So, I was at university. I was with my friend Ed. 00:09:35.157 --> 00:09:36.742 align:center We were just trying to make content 00:09:36.826 --> 00:09:39.453 align:center and trying to think of a way how we could make money. 00:09:39.537 --> 00:09:42.873 align:center I went from zero to making about £1,000 a day overnight. 00:09:42.957 --> 00:09:45.543 align:center -On what? -Fitness plans, fitness programs. 00:09:45.626 --> 00:09:47.753 align:center Made £1,000 a day. Within two weeks, I was like, 00:09:47.837 --> 00:09:51.215 align:center "Right, I'm gonna go to Marbella and try and stream and become big." 00:09:51.299 --> 00:09:53.843 align:center £1,000 to £3,000 a day, and then it just went up. 00:09:53.926 --> 00:09:56.512 align:center -That's what it was. -You were a salesman at that point? 00:09:56.596 --> 00:09:58.723 align:center I've always been a salesman. I'm a salesman now. 00:09:58.806 --> 00:10:00.850 align:center Sales is the most important skill you can have. 00:10:00.933 --> 00:10:03.394 align:center You're never gonna be ultra-successful if you can't sell. 00:10:03.477 --> 00:10:05.479 align:center But there was a time when you were putting out 00:10:05.563 --> 00:10:07.565 align:center cheeky content that was going viral. 00:10:07.648 --> 00:10:09.734 align:center -How does that fit into the picture? -That's content. 00:10:09.817 --> 00:10:13.529 align:center We live in an attention economy. So that gets attention. 00:10:13.613 --> 00:10:16.782 align:center And with the attention, I can get more fame, monetize. 00:10:16.866 --> 00:10:19.035 align:center -And monetize the fame. -Yes, exactly. 00:10:19.118 --> 00:10:22.163 align:center Does the term "matrix" mean anything to you? 00:10:22.830 --> 00:10:24.999 align:center The system, higher powers, 00:10:25.082 --> 00:10:26.834 align:center the colluding powers at the top of the world 00:10:26.917 --> 00:10:30.546 align:center that want to keep everyone down, broke, keep the slave mindset going. 00:10:30.630 --> 00:10:32.465 align:center -That's what that means to me. -Is that real? 00:10:32.548 --> 00:10:35.718 align:center 'Course it's real. 'Course it's real. 00:10:35.801 --> 00:10:39.096 align:center The people at the top of the world, why would they want people below them 00:10:39.180 --> 00:10:41.015 align:center to make a load of money and not serve them? 00:10:41.098 --> 00:10:42.350 align:center It doesn't make sense. 00:10:55.154 --> 00:10:56.614 align:center It was the next day, 00:10:56.697 --> 00:10:59.283 align:center and a clip that someone on HS's team had posted 00:10:59.367 --> 00:11:01.744 align:center of me filming him had gone viral. 00:11:01.827 --> 00:11:04.789 align:center "Netflix, coming soon. Very interesting discussions with Louis." 00:11:04.872 --> 00:11:07.041 align:center "Will be interested to see how he tries to rip me, 00:11:07.124 --> 00:11:08.959 align:center considering the numbers and evidence shown 00:11:09.043 --> 00:11:11.504 align:center to support my business and network are monumental." 00:11:13.631 --> 00:11:18.010 align:center The comments were mainly scathing, about him and his financial products. 00:11:19.970 --> 00:11:22.848 align:center I hoped they wouldn't worry HS too much. 00:11:23.349 --> 00:11:25.142 align:center -All right? -How are you doing? 00:11:25.226 --> 00:11:27.436 align:center -Hello. -Hi, Sam. Hi, Harrison. How are you doing? 00:11:27.520 --> 00:11:29.689 align:center -How are you? -No need to get up. Thank you. 00:11:29.772 --> 00:11:30.898 align:center Hi. 00:11:37.238 --> 00:11:38.406 align:center Another shot. 00:11:39.615 --> 00:11:41.033 align:center That was outside. 00:11:44.203 --> 00:11:46.080 align:center -How are you doing? -Pretty good. 00:11:46.163 --> 00:11:49.083 align:center I went to bed late 'cause I was out getting content last night. 00:11:49.166 --> 00:11:50.751 align:center Got a video of me getting sucked off 00:11:50.835 --> 00:11:53.170 align:center in the toilet of a club here if you wanna see that. 00:11:53.254 --> 00:11:55.589 align:center -No, you didn't. -Bet you'd like to see that. 00:11:55.673 --> 00:11:57.508 align:center Did he? 00:11:58.134 --> 00:12:00.469 align:center -This happened? -Last night, today, 1:20. 00:12:00.553 --> 00:12:01.679 align:center What's the location? 00:12:01.762 --> 00:12:03.639 align:center -The toilet. -Up the strip. 00:12:03.723 --> 00:12:07.059 align:center -Did she know she was being filmed? -Of course she did, yeah. 00:12:07.143 --> 00:12:09.228 align:center -And she didn't mind? -Didn't mind. 00:12:09.311 --> 00:12:11.313 align:center What's that all about? 00:12:11.397 --> 00:12:12.481 align:center Clout. 00:12:13.190 --> 00:12:16.068 align:center Why does that help her to be seen to be giving you a blowjob? 00:12:16.152 --> 00:12:18.112 align:center I don't know why it may help her. 00:12:18.195 --> 00:12:20.823 align:center You know, you'd have to ask her. 00:12:20.906 --> 00:12:22.533 align:center We're on the 'gram now. 00:12:22.616 --> 00:12:25.244 align:center There I am, announcing a Netflix documentary. 00:12:25.327 --> 00:12:27.121 align:center Yeah. I saw it. It's gone up 300K views. 00:12:27.204 --> 00:12:31.000 align:center The comment was along the lines of, "Documentary following me around." 00:12:31.083 --> 00:12:33.210 align:center "They might be trying to rip me. We'll see." 00:12:33.294 --> 00:12:35.004 align:center "Interested to see how it turns out." 00:12:35.087 --> 00:12:37.465 align:center Yeah, I'm actually… I'm very interested to see. 00:12:38.466 --> 00:12:40.092 align:center -Mm. -Me too. 00:12:40.718 --> 00:12:42.553 align:center Very. 00:12:42.636 --> 00:12:43.721 align:center Yeah. 00:12:45.347 --> 00:12:47.308 align:center Are you all right? You got funny energy today. 00:12:47.391 --> 00:12:48.726 align:center -So do you. -Do I? 00:12:54.690 --> 00:12:56.901 align:center The plan for the day was to join HS 00:12:56.984 --> 00:13:00.529 align:center as he did live streams around Marbella and maybe see a yacht party. 00:13:00.613 --> 00:13:02.323 align:center -All right? -Nice to meet you. 00:13:02.406 --> 00:13:05.117 align:center First, we connected with his friend, Ed Matthews, 00:13:05.201 --> 00:13:06.577 align:center who'd just flown in from London. 00:13:06.660 --> 00:13:08.204 align:center -Hello. -What's happening, brother? 00:13:08.287 --> 00:13:10.122 align:center -How long you been here? -Just got here. 00:13:10.206 --> 00:13:12.917 align:center -Fucking hell. Be careful. -Good to see you. The boys are back. 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:14.794 align:center Be careful of this fella, mate. 00:13:14.877 --> 00:13:16.712 align:center He looks nice. He looks like he's a friend. 00:13:16.795 --> 00:13:19.799 align:center -He's trying to turn the tables now. -The evil smile. 00:13:19.882 --> 00:13:21.967 align:center -"The evil…"? -"The evil," that's a bit strong. 00:13:22.051 --> 00:13:24.720 align:center -That is very, very strong, mate. -The evil smile, mate. 00:13:24.804 --> 00:13:28.057 align:center All right, boys, we're gonna test out the punch machine. 00:13:29.892 --> 00:13:31.268 align:center Show you how it's done, mate. 00:13:33.270 --> 00:13:36.565 align:center Ed came up making videos for TikTok and YouTube 00:13:36.649 --> 00:13:39.527 align:center as a kind of Robin to HS's Batman. 00:13:39.610 --> 00:13:42.154 align:center All right. We're about to drop some game on the beach. 00:13:42.238 --> 00:13:44.323 align:center -These two with their boyfriends. -All right. 00:13:44.406 --> 00:13:46.867 align:center Get it on film. They're with their boyfriends. 00:13:46.951 --> 00:13:49.370 align:center We're actually finding the most tartiest outfits. 00:13:49.453 --> 00:13:50.788 align:center I think you're competing, darling. 00:13:50.871 --> 00:13:56.293 align:center His content combined fitness, online flirting, and conspiracy theories. 00:13:56.377 --> 00:13:58.045 align:center Aliens definitely helped build the pyramids 00:13:58.128 --> 00:14:00.381 align:center by the way they're aligned with the stars, yeah? 00:14:00.464 --> 00:14:03.259 align:center They might come for me if I start talking about this shit. 00:14:03.342 --> 00:14:06.178 align:center We're two minutes away from his house. We're gonna sting him right now. 00:14:06.262 --> 00:14:09.890 align:center Recently, he'd been livestreaming doing so-called "predator stings." 00:14:09.974 --> 00:14:11.600 align:center We've got the fuck-off microphone. 00:14:11.684 --> 00:14:13.644 align:center So, if he ain't answering 'cause he's scared, 00:14:13.727 --> 00:14:17.106 align:center I'll shout down his fucking door! 00:14:17.189 --> 00:14:19.233 align:center There's no escaping Ed Matty, bruv. 00:14:19.316 --> 00:14:21.610 align:center He would confront and humiliate people 00:14:21.694 --> 00:14:23.279 align:center he accused of being predators. 00:14:23.362 --> 00:14:26.907 align:center Who's the next predator? I can't lie. This one's gonna be madder than that one. 00:14:27.575 --> 00:14:31.620 align:center In several recent encounters, Ed forced them to eat pet food. 00:14:31.704 --> 00:14:33.539 align:center Go on. Get that down you, mate. 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:35.457 align:center Good fucking boy. 00:14:35.541 --> 00:14:37.585 align:center And how does the humiliation help? 00:14:38.586 --> 00:14:41.422 align:center Just… because this will… this will last forever. 00:14:41.505 --> 00:14:42.673 align:center And they'll always… 00:14:42.756 --> 00:14:44.884 align:center So this is worse than going to jail, I reckon. 00:14:44.967 --> 00:14:46.552 align:center Is that a paedo? 00:14:46.635 --> 00:14:48.095 align:center Did you hear that? "Is that a paedo?" 00:14:48.178 --> 00:14:50.723 align:center No. This is Louis Theroux, mate. Not a paedo. 00:14:50.806 --> 00:14:53.267 align:center Thank you. Appreciate that. 00:14:53.350 --> 00:14:55.394 align:center Just so they know you're not getting stung right now. 00:14:58.606 --> 00:15:01.775 align:center By now, HS was keeping himself scarce, 00:15:01.859 --> 00:15:04.194 align:center possibly troubled by the comments that had come in, 00:15:04.278 --> 00:15:06.739 align:center saying he'd be exposed in my documentary. 00:15:06.822 --> 00:15:09.533 align:center You all right, girls? Having a good night? 00:15:09.617 --> 00:15:12.077 align:center The plan for a yacht party had gone out the window, 00:15:12.161 --> 00:15:13.746 align:center so instead, we joined Ed 00:15:13.829 --> 00:15:16.749 align:center while he chatted up girls on the streets of Marbella. 00:15:16.832 --> 00:15:19.168 align:center You all right, darling? Having a good night? 00:15:19.251 --> 00:15:22.004 align:center My dad is a 50-year-old virgin. 00:15:22.087 --> 00:15:24.965 align:center -I'm looking for a bit of dark chocolate. -So, come to my lodge. 00:15:25.049 --> 00:15:27.217 align:center Yeah? You like white chocolate, then, yeah? 00:15:27.301 --> 00:15:31.221 align:center The aim for content like this is that short clips get shared and go viral. 00:15:31.305 --> 00:15:34.516 align:center You want my Instagram, or you want my Instagram? What one? 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:35.851 align:center Both at the same time? 00:15:36.644 --> 00:15:37.937 align:center Trio? 00:15:38.020 --> 00:15:40.814 align:center Everywhere Ed went, he was approached by young fans. 00:15:42.816 --> 00:15:44.360 align:center -Where you guys from? -Iceland! 00:15:44.443 --> 00:15:48.113 align:center -Iceland, yeah? -Yeah! 00:15:48.197 --> 00:15:50.449 align:center -Ed, you're the king. You're the king. -I love that. 00:15:50.532 --> 00:15:53.202 align:center -How long have you been doing YouTube? -Like two weeks. Just started. 00:15:53.285 --> 00:15:54.912 align:center -Really? -You're one of my inspirations. 00:15:54.995 --> 00:15:57.581 align:center -Well, good luck. -Whose mother is that? 00:15:57.665 --> 00:15:59.667 align:center -She's mine. -Is she single? 00:15:59.750 --> 00:16:01.251 align:center -No, fuck off. -She's not single. 00:16:01.335 --> 00:16:03.087 align:center Oh, all right. Have a good day. 00:16:03.170 --> 00:16:04.630 align:center Now, that was uncalled for. 00:16:04.713 --> 00:16:07.841 align:center Sometimes I drop game, and I think, "There was no need for that." 00:16:09.885 --> 00:16:14.139 align:center At the end of the night, I managed to grab a final moment with HS. 00:16:14.223 --> 00:16:16.225 align:center So, I've just had a important call. 00:16:16.892 --> 00:16:20.562 align:center I need to go to Dubai in the morning. But it's been a pleasure meeting you. 00:16:20.646 --> 00:16:23.607 align:center -Are we good? For real? -We're good. Of course we're good. 00:16:23.691 --> 00:16:25.526 align:center 'Cause sometimes I'm not too sure. 00:16:25.609 --> 00:16:28.028 align:center It's a shame I couldn't stay out later, but I need to sleep. 00:16:28.112 --> 00:16:29.988 align:center -See you later. -Thanks a lot. See you later. 00:16:30.072 --> 00:16:31.407 align:center -See you later. -See you later. 00:16:31.907 --> 00:16:34.660 align:center See you later, OC, yeah? 00:16:34.743 --> 00:16:35.744 align:center All right. 00:16:35.828 --> 00:16:37.830 align:center A lot of you people on TikTok are saying, 00:16:37.913 --> 00:16:40.791 align:center "Oh, Louis Theroux's gonna finish you in this documentary." 00:16:40.874 --> 00:16:45.212 align:center In the days after I left HS, he seemed to brood on our encounter. 00:16:45.295 --> 00:16:47.756 align:center I was struck by his level of suspicion. 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.552 align:center Maybe that's his game, to act like he's your mate and then just fuck you. 00:16:51.635 --> 00:16:53.053 align:center You know, it probably is. 00:16:53.637 --> 00:16:54.847 align:center But I was also curious 00:16:54.930 --> 00:16:57.474 align:center about this strange new world he seemed to embody, 00:16:58.100 --> 00:17:01.895 align:center using extreme content with global reach to sell products. 00:17:01.979 --> 00:17:04.606 align:center If you're watching this, and you wanna level your life up, 00:17:04.690 --> 00:17:08.277 align:center you wanna be free, send a message to the app below right now. 00:17:08.360 --> 00:17:10.320 align:center I looked into his investment group. 00:17:10.404 --> 00:17:13.866 align:center The broker firms he promoted received terrible reviews. 00:17:13.949 --> 00:17:16.535 align:center Don't ever say that I'm a scammer. Don't ever say… 00:17:16.618 --> 00:17:19.079 align:center HS takes a cut of whatever you put in, 00:17:19.163 --> 00:17:20.706 align:center even if you lose money. 00:17:20.789 --> 00:17:21.832 align:center …and I show you. 00:17:22.332 --> 00:17:25.461 align:center I opened an account and put in £500. 00:17:31.467 --> 00:17:34.762 align:center I'd been learning about his ideological forefathers, 00:17:34.845 --> 00:17:37.347 align:center the community of ultra-masculine influencers 00:17:37.431 --> 00:17:39.224 align:center sometimes called the manosphere. 00:17:40.809 --> 00:17:44.313 align:center And so I'd come to its spiritual home, Miami. 00:17:45.773 --> 00:17:47.274 align:center Much of the manosphere is made up 00:17:47.357 --> 00:17:51.236 align:center of relatively uncontroversial comedians and podcasters 00:17:51.320 --> 00:17:56.325 align:center who broadcast about women, fitness, and wealth to a mainly male audience. 00:17:57.367 --> 00:18:01.455 align:center But at its edges is a community of more extreme content creators. 00:18:04.416 --> 00:18:08.170 align:center It was this world and its motivations I was most intrigued by. 00:18:08.962 --> 00:18:10.964 align:center Gentlemen, how are you guys doing? 00:18:11.048 --> 00:18:12.549 align:center -How are you? -Good to see you. 00:18:12.633 --> 00:18:14.718 align:center -Louis. Nice to meet you. -Justin Waller. Very nice. 00:18:14.802 --> 00:18:17.304 align:center -Thanks. You look like a million bucks. -Ah. 00:18:17.387 --> 00:18:19.681 align:center Maybe half a million. Maybe half. 00:18:25.312 --> 00:18:27.147 align:center Justin Waller is a businessman 00:18:27.231 --> 00:18:30.400 align:center and success coach from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 00:18:30.484 --> 00:18:33.111 align:center with more than a million followers on Instagram. 00:18:34.154 --> 00:18:37.825 align:center I give the best advice I can possibly give to young men. 00:18:37.908 --> 00:18:39.743 align:center Women aren't as feminist as you think. 00:18:39.827 --> 00:18:42.788 align:center You think she won't leave you for that buff dude? Promise you she will. 00:18:42.871 --> 00:18:46.125 align:center Most women don't know what they want, and I don't think it's their fault. 00:18:46.208 --> 00:18:49.211 align:center He shares pictures of himself in sharp, tailored suits 00:18:49.294 --> 00:18:51.713 align:center with big muscles and expensive watches. 00:18:51.797 --> 00:18:55.759 align:center This, in turn, funnels his fans to business-advice products. 00:18:55.843 --> 00:18:57.136 align:center In his media appearances, 00:18:57.219 --> 00:19:01.390 align:center he often mentions his lifestyle of romance with multiple partners. 00:19:01.473 --> 00:19:03.433 align:center I love women. Let me be clear about this. 00:19:03.517 --> 00:19:06.436 align:center In fact, I have quite the reputation for loving 'em too much. 00:19:06.520 --> 00:19:07.688 align:center Yeah! 00:19:12.943 --> 00:19:14.862 align:center Nice. Very nice. 00:19:14.945 --> 00:19:19.032 align:center Okay, but let me be very clear about it. That car is not success. I wanna say that. 00:19:19.116 --> 00:19:21.577 align:center -Mm-hmm. -That car… Fuck that car. 00:19:21.660 --> 00:19:23.453 align:center I might be an asshole in some areas, 00:19:23.537 --> 00:19:26.206 align:center or people might not agree with some views I have, 00:19:26.290 --> 00:19:28.542 align:center but I'm not so foolish to believe that's success. 00:19:28.625 --> 00:19:31.420 align:center -So let's not make too big a thing of it. -Just on the record. 00:19:31.503 --> 00:19:34.339 align:center -I got it. Thank you. -'Cause I don't. That's all. Yes, sir. 00:19:34.423 --> 00:19:35.841 align:center I've left my phone upstairs. 00:19:35.924 --> 00:19:37.384 align:center -Wanna come with me? -Why not? 00:19:39.136 --> 00:19:41.179 align:center -My girl. -Hi. 00:19:42.931 --> 00:19:44.308 align:center Wow, this is a nice spot. 00:19:44.391 --> 00:19:46.059 align:center -Beautiful at dusk. -I bet. 00:19:46.143 --> 00:19:47.686 align:center Yeah. Beautiful at dusk. 00:19:47.769 --> 00:19:49.146 align:center But this is my small place. 00:19:49.229 --> 00:19:51.857 align:center This is kinda where I go to get away and do all my work. 00:19:51.940 --> 00:19:54.318 align:center My kids and everybody, they're in Aventura. 00:19:54.401 --> 00:19:56.028 align:center -It's very friendly-friendly. -Mm-hm. 00:19:56.111 --> 00:19:57.112 align:center Family-friendly. 00:19:57.196 --> 00:19:59.740 align:center -So, how many kids have you got? -I've got… I've got some. 00:19:59.823 --> 00:20:00.824 align:center Yeah. 00:20:00.908 --> 00:20:03.160 align:center -You know how many you've got, right? -Yeah. I think so. 00:20:03.243 --> 00:20:04.161 align:center What's the number? 00:20:04.244 --> 00:20:06.663 align:center It's two. I have two. Yeah, I got two little girls. 00:20:06.747 --> 00:20:08.999 align:center -Are you with their mum? -Yes. 00:20:09.082 --> 00:20:10.459 align:center -Yeah. -Absolutely. Yeah. 00:20:10.542 --> 00:20:12.044 align:center -Are you married? -No. 00:20:12.586 --> 00:20:14.463 align:center I'm gonna get smoke for this. I always do. 00:20:14.546 --> 00:20:16.882 align:center Everybody gets mad when they ask about my relationship. 00:20:16.965 --> 00:20:19.509 align:center Are you saying you're not in a monogamous relationship? 00:20:20.010 --> 00:20:22.054 align:center -One-sided monogamy. Yeah. -Mm-hmm. 00:20:22.137 --> 00:20:24.932 align:center Women don't wanna sleep with other men when they love a man. 00:20:25.015 --> 00:20:26.683 align:center One-sided monogamy means what? 00:20:26.767 --> 00:20:28.143 align:center It means like… 00:20:28.226 --> 00:20:32.272 align:center See, here we go. Here we go. Setting me up. 00:20:33.190 --> 00:20:37.277 align:center My… The mother of my children, the woman that I'm with, 00:20:37.361 --> 00:20:39.196 align:center she doesn't talk to other men. 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:40.405 align:center So… 00:20:42.991 --> 00:20:44.284 align:center Stings, huh? 00:20:45.452 --> 00:20:47.245 align:center -You seem upset by it. -It doesn't sting. 00:20:47.329 --> 00:20:49.665 align:center You seem upset by it. People get so upset about this. 00:20:49.748 --> 00:20:53.585 align:center It's interesting you thought I was upset. I just thought it was a resonant moment. 00:20:53.669 --> 00:20:56.964 align:center I notice that people get very angry with me about this subject. 00:20:57.047 --> 00:21:00.425 align:center -Do I seem angry? -No, but you do seem to be digging. 00:21:00.509 --> 00:21:02.177 align:center So… 00:21:03.762 --> 00:21:06.056 align:center -We gotta get into some real stuff, right? -We should. 00:21:06.139 --> 00:21:06.974 align:center -Yeah. -Yeah. 00:21:07.057 --> 00:21:09.476 align:center Let me tell you another thing. I don't promote it. 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.688 align:center I don't believe that every man should go out and have a bunch of women 00:21:12.771 --> 00:21:15.190 align:center or have his wife have threesomes with his girlfriends. 00:21:15.274 --> 00:21:17.275 align:center -Now-- -Is that something you do as well? 00:21:17.359 --> 00:21:19.736 align:center Yeah, of course. I'm hiding nothing. 00:21:20.404 --> 00:21:22.823 align:center I refuse to. I refuse to. 00:21:23.323 --> 00:21:24.658 align:center I refuse to. 00:21:24.741 --> 00:21:26.034 align:center You've made the right decision. 00:21:26.118 --> 00:21:29.037 align:center The Real World is the number one school in the world. 00:21:29.871 --> 00:21:33.208 align:center Justin also has a Telegram group where he sells subscriptions 00:21:33.292 --> 00:21:37.296 align:center to a so-called online university, The Real World, 00:21:37.379 --> 00:21:38.505 align:center set up by his close friends, 00:21:38.588 --> 00:21:41.633 align:center the infamous brothers Andrew and Tristan Tate, 00:21:41.717 --> 00:21:45.012 align:center who have been charged with human trafficking offenses in Romania 00:21:45.095 --> 00:21:46.555 align:center but deny the charges. 00:21:47.097 --> 00:21:48.974 align:center In the Real World, you learn to make money. 00:21:49.057 --> 00:21:51.810 align:center We have 18 professors that are absolutely multimillionaires 00:21:51.893 --> 00:21:53.979 align:center in the business they're teaching you in real time. 00:21:54.062 --> 00:21:55.188 align:center It's like a cheat code. 00:21:55.272 --> 00:21:57.733 align:center A 14-year-old kid made three grand the other day. 00:21:57.816 --> 00:22:02.321 align:center I cannot believe this 13-year-old is making more money than his parents. 00:22:05.490 --> 00:22:07.659 align:center -I'm in the Telegram group. -Nice. 00:22:07.743 --> 00:22:09.328 align:center It says, "Join now." 00:22:09.911 --> 00:22:11.788 align:center "Jointherealworld.com." 00:22:11.872 --> 00:22:15.834 align:center So, if people click on it and sign up, how much are they gonna pay? 00:22:15.917 --> 00:22:18.128 align:center -It's like $50-- -$49 a month. $49.99 a month. 00:22:18.879 --> 00:22:22.632 align:center And then you get a small sign-up fee? That's part of the model. 00:22:22.716 --> 00:22:23.592 align:center Yes, sir. 00:22:23.675 --> 00:22:25.677 align:center How had you heard about them? How had you heard-- 00:22:25.761 --> 00:22:27.721 align:center YouTube. I saw Andrew on YouTube. 00:22:27.804 --> 00:22:30.932 align:center I remember laughing so hard and punching my steering wheel, 00:22:31.016 --> 00:22:33.018 align:center and there's a little dent in the Ford logo, 00:22:33.101 --> 00:22:36.271 align:center because he was saying things I'd been saying to people for a long time. 00:22:36.355 --> 00:22:37.773 align:center Things like what? 00:22:37.856 --> 00:22:39.524 align:center A lot of people believe 00:22:39.608 --> 00:22:44.029 align:center that men and women want to be equal partners in a relationship. 00:22:44.112 --> 00:22:45.280 align:center That's really not true. 00:22:45.364 --> 00:22:48.033 align:center You wanna be the hero, the person that saves the day, 00:22:48.116 --> 00:22:51.036 align:center that creates a life for them better than any life they could ever have. 00:22:55.624 --> 00:22:57.709 align:center I want to go get a tea anyway in Wynwood. 00:22:57.793 --> 00:22:59.628 align:center -Yeah, let's do that. -All right, cool. 00:23:00.337 --> 00:23:02.297 align:center Justin! Justin! Justin! 00:23:02.380 --> 00:23:03.298 align:center What's up? 00:23:03.381 --> 00:23:04.591 align:center -Doing all right? -All right? 00:23:04.674 --> 00:23:06.051 align:center -How you doing? -Good. 00:23:06.134 --> 00:23:07.052 align:center -Thanks, G. -Nice. 00:23:07.135 --> 00:23:08.887 align:center -Going for a ride? -I'm down. 00:23:08.970 --> 00:23:09.888 align:center Let's do it. 00:23:09.971 --> 00:23:11.515 align:center What you doing, playboy? 00:23:11.598 --> 00:23:16.144 align:center Like HS, Justin was attempting to leverage his online notoriety 00:23:16.228 --> 00:23:18.480 align:center and a parasocial connection with his male fans… 00:23:18.563 --> 00:23:19.523 align:center Take it straight. 00:23:19.606 --> 00:23:21.983 align:center …into a marketing opportunity. 00:23:22.067 --> 00:23:25.278 align:center -Appreciate it, man. Thank you. -You wanna sit and have tea? 00:23:25.362 --> 00:23:26.696 align:center -Definitely. -Right. 00:23:27.322 --> 00:23:28.240 align:center Can I say hi? 00:23:28.323 --> 00:23:29.199 align:center -Matthew. -Matthew. 00:23:29.282 --> 00:23:30.617 align:center -Chris. Yeah. -Chris. Louis. 00:23:30.700 --> 00:23:32.410 align:center -How do you know Justin? -I see his videos. 00:23:32.494 --> 00:23:35.288 align:center -He's one of my greatest role models. -Yeah. 00:23:35.372 --> 00:23:37.582 align:center -You teach a lot of… -100%. Him, Andrew Tate. 00:23:37.666 --> 00:23:39.584 align:center -Andrew Tate, yeah. -Tristan Tate, the brothers… 00:23:39.668 --> 00:23:42.504 align:center They're all… They're all a big inspiration to all of us. 00:23:42.587 --> 00:23:44.339 align:center What's the message? What do you get from it? 00:23:44.423 --> 00:23:46.091 align:center I just think it's to never give up. 00:23:46.174 --> 00:23:50.387 align:center Life as a man, you're born without value. We have to build that value. 00:23:50.470 --> 00:23:53.140 align:center What do you mean, life as a man, you're born without value? 00:23:53.223 --> 00:23:54.307 align:center It's… 00:23:54.391 --> 00:23:56.101 align:center Nothing in the world is given to you. 00:23:56.184 --> 00:23:58.019 align:center -You have to work for every penny. -100%. 00:23:58.103 --> 00:24:00.021 align:center -Do women have it hard? -I think… 00:24:00.105 --> 00:24:02.899 align:center -They're born with value through beauty. -Exactly. 00:24:02.983 --> 00:24:05.861 align:center Because a woman can be stunningly beautiful at 20 years old 00:24:05.944 --> 00:24:08.864 align:center and get invited to ride in that car, or onto a boat, 00:24:08.947 --> 00:24:11.741 align:center or be flying to Miami or whatever because it's pure beauty. 00:24:11.825 --> 00:24:15.287 align:center Nobody's gonna invite him on a trip to Miami. 00:24:15.370 --> 00:24:16.830 align:center They're not gonna fly him out. 00:24:16.913 --> 00:24:20.333 align:center He has to create value in the world. He has to be valuable to other men. 00:24:20.417 --> 00:24:22.085 align:center -Exactly. -Otherwise, nobody cares. 00:24:22.169 --> 00:24:24.045 align:center -Exactly. You said it. -And that's a fact. 00:24:24.129 --> 00:24:26.882 align:center I wanna say to your face, thank you so much. Like… 00:24:26.965 --> 00:24:29.676 align:center For me, you're one of my biggest role models, man. 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.846 align:center Two things I tell anybody that stops me. Number one, I love you. 00:24:32.929 --> 00:24:33.805 align:center -Yeah. -Appreciate it. 00:24:33.889 --> 00:24:36.349 align:center And there's nothing in this world you can't do. 00:24:36.433 --> 00:24:37.767 align:center We're in this shit together. 00:24:38.560 --> 00:24:44.566 align:center I get stopped every day by a young man that tells me that I changed his life. 00:24:45.150 --> 00:24:47.277 align:center The content put out by Justin and his peers 00:24:47.360 --> 00:24:49.905 align:center pushes an ideology known as the red pill. 00:24:49.988 --> 00:24:54.326 align:center And you see the amount of bullshit the modern Western man has to put up with? 00:24:55.452 --> 00:24:58.163 align:center They take the phrase from the movie The Matrix. 00:24:58.246 --> 00:25:00.499 align:center What is the red pill? Can you explain this to me? 00:25:00.582 --> 00:25:02.626 align:center It's seeing the truth for what it really is. 00:25:03.418 --> 00:25:06.588 align:center Claiming to have seen through the mainstream media's brainwashing 00:25:06.671 --> 00:25:09.883 align:center about gender relations and its discrimination against men. 00:25:09.966 --> 00:25:11.635 align:center Red pill aware. This is what it is. 00:25:11.718 --> 00:25:15.972 align:center The red pill is a necessary antidote and counterweight to feminism. 00:25:16.056 --> 00:25:18.975 align:center In the unregulated new media landscape, 00:25:19.059 --> 00:25:22.145 align:center they share their unfiltered views on hundreds of podcasts, 00:25:22.229 --> 00:25:24.731 align:center which are clipped up and disseminated across the internet. 00:25:24.814 --> 00:25:26.024 align:center Those stories are always there. 00:25:28.610 --> 00:25:32.489 align:center I was on my way to an appointment with one of its most notorious figures, 00:25:32.572 --> 00:25:33.949 align:center Amrou Fudl. 00:25:34.491 --> 00:25:37.160 align:center You are born with your value. We must create our value. 00:25:37.244 --> 00:25:38.787 align:center How are we born with our value? 00:25:38.870 --> 00:25:41.373 align:center You literally have a vagina and titties. You are born with value. 00:25:41.456 --> 00:25:42.499 align:center Like, you're dead! 00:25:42.582 --> 00:25:45.293 align:center A former agent for the Department of Homeland Security, 00:25:45.377 --> 00:25:48.421 align:center about five years ago, he took to streaming and podcasting 00:25:48.505 --> 00:25:51.883 align:center under the name Myron Gaines, amassing a huge following. 00:25:51.967 --> 00:25:53.260 align:center I don't think women should vote. 00:25:53.343 --> 00:25:55.845 align:center I don't think women should be in the military or law enforcement. 00:25:55.929 --> 00:25:57.264 align:center Like Justin, he boasts 00:25:57.347 --> 00:26:01.184 align:center about his one-way monogamous relationship with his girlfriend. 00:26:01.268 --> 00:26:03.812 align:center I do what the **** I wanna do. She's loyal to me. 00:26:03.895 --> 00:26:05.730 align:center It's monogamous on her end, open on my end. 00:26:05.814 --> 00:26:08.942 align:center She packs my ******* condoms when I travel. That's how real it is. 00:26:15.740 --> 00:26:18.326 align:center -How you doing? Nice to meet you. Louis. -Nice to meet you. 00:26:18.410 --> 00:26:20.120 align:center -Myron, right? -Nice to meet you. 00:26:20.203 --> 00:26:23.081 align:center Myron tends to be suspicious of mainstream media, 00:26:23.164 --> 00:26:27.419 align:center but after lengthy access conversations, he'd agreed to meet me at his apartment. 00:26:28.086 --> 00:26:29.796 align:center -Here we go. -Yeah, right here. 00:26:29.879 --> 00:26:33.174 align:center Welcome to the headquarters, gentlemen. This is where we do all the filming. 00:26:33.258 --> 00:26:35.218 align:center Where do you actually live live, though? 00:26:35.302 --> 00:26:38.805 align:center If you're actually just gonna chill with your girlfriend and watch TV? 00:26:38.888 --> 00:26:40.807 align:center I got my stuff back over there. 00:26:40.890 --> 00:26:42.851 align:center -Are we allowed in there? -I got my room. 00:26:42.934 --> 00:26:45.020 align:center Once she comes and cleans, I'll show you guys. 00:26:45.103 --> 00:26:46.688 align:center -All right. -She's gonna come and clean. 00:26:46.771 --> 00:26:49.065 align:center -Wait, can I set up real quick? I wanna… -Please. 00:26:50.442 --> 00:26:52.777 align:center Recording on my end, but I'm not gonna do anything with it. 00:26:52.861 --> 00:26:54.446 align:center -That's fine. -Great. 00:26:55.155 --> 00:26:56.531 align:center Is that insurance for you? 00:26:56.615 --> 00:26:59.034 align:center Well, here's the thing. When you're controversial, 00:26:59.117 --> 00:27:00.910 align:center people try to make hit pieces on you. 00:27:00.994 --> 00:27:04.789 align:center This is kind of a big reason why the mainstream media has lost credibility 00:27:04.873 --> 00:27:08.126 align:center is because of this disingenuine reporting on individuals. 00:27:08.710 --> 00:27:09.919 align:center Got it. Um… 00:27:10.003 --> 00:27:13.506 align:center Knowing I was gonna see you today, I sort of went through 00:27:13.590 --> 00:27:16.926 align:center some of the more controversial content that you've put out. 00:27:17.010 --> 00:27:19.971 align:center -Sure. -Over the last couple years, let's say. 00:27:20.055 --> 00:27:21.973 align:center Would you be all right talking about some of that 00:27:22.057 --> 00:27:25.310 align:center if I mentioned a few things that, if I'm honest, I was shocked by? 00:27:25.393 --> 00:27:26.311 align:center -Sure. -Is that fair? 00:27:26.394 --> 00:27:28.313 align:center Then I'm doing my job correctly, then. 00:27:28.396 --> 00:27:29.856 align:center -Ready? -Yup. 00:27:29.939 --> 00:27:31.107 align:center Bitch, we ain't equal! 00:27:31.733 --> 00:27:34.569 align:center I'm the dictator. You are the subordinate. 00:27:35.320 --> 00:27:37.530 align:center I dictate when I want to put dick in you, bitch. 00:27:37.614 --> 00:27:40.867 align:center And then you dictate when the sandwiches come by my dictation. 00:27:40.950 --> 00:27:42.118 align:center That's how this goes. 00:27:42.202 --> 00:27:45.789 align:center And women love guys like this, that tell them what it is. 00:27:45.872 --> 00:27:49.501 align:center This isn't open to interpretation, or how you feel, or what you think. 00:27:49.584 --> 00:27:51.127 align:center It doesn't matter what you think! 00:27:51.211 --> 00:27:52.962 align:center "I dictate when I put my dick in you"? 00:27:53.046 --> 00:27:55.006 align:center Yeah, yeah. So, do I literally mean, 00:27:55.090 --> 00:27:58.009 align:center "Oh, yeah. I want to smash right now, and you're on your period." 00:27:58.093 --> 00:28:01.638 align:center And she's like, "I don't wanna do it now." That's fine. Obviously, you don't do it. 00:28:01.721 --> 00:28:04.933 align:center But I need guys to have this mindset where it's like you're the leader. 00:28:05.016 --> 00:28:07.644 align:center You're assertive, dominant, the dictator of the relationship. 00:28:07.727 --> 00:28:08.687 align:center What you say goes. 00:28:08.770 --> 00:28:11.773 align:center Do you… do you consider yourself a misogynist? 00:28:11.856 --> 00:28:15.652 align:center No, because, um, misogyny would be the hatred of women. I would argue I am… 00:28:15.735 --> 00:28:17.987 align:center I… I love women, and actually understand them. 00:28:18.071 --> 00:28:21.324 align:center So, since I understand them, I know what's best for them. 00:28:21.408 --> 00:28:23.535 align:center You think you know better than they do? 00:28:23.618 --> 00:28:25.620 align:center Yes, in many ways. Yeah. That's how women want it. 00:28:25.704 --> 00:28:27.831 align:center They want a guy that can lead and dominate them. 00:28:27.914 --> 00:28:31.042 align:center -Your girlfriend's named Angie, right? -Yeah. 00:28:31.126 --> 00:28:36.005 align:center And then do you have, like, a rotation of other women? 00:28:36.506 --> 00:28:38.508 align:center I wouldn't say a rotation, like, right now. 00:28:38.591 --> 00:28:41.428 align:center I do… I do want to get multiple wives, but right now, 00:28:41.511 --> 00:28:44.848 align:center I'm just focusing on building things up for this year, especially. 00:28:44.931 --> 00:28:46.558 align:center Multiple wives, really? 00:28:46.641 --> 00:28:48.226 align:center Oh, hey, there's Angie right there. 00:28:48.309 --> 00:28:49.394 align:center Should we meet Angie? 00:28:49.477 --> 00:28:50.937 align:center Uh, yeah. She's, uh… 00:28:51.020 --> 00:28:52.689 align:center Angie, can we say hi? 00:28:52.772 --> 00:28:56.025 align:center -Hi! -We'll keep it short, though, for her. 00:28:56.109 --> 00:28:58.611 align:center Hi. Louis. Nice to meet you. How do you do? 00:28:58.695 --> 00:29:00.113 align:center I'm doing okay. Yeah. 00:29:00.196 --> 00:29:02.365 align:center What attracted you to Myron? 00:29:02.449 --> 00:29:06.536 align:center I say to my friends and to people that always question our relationship 00:29:06.619 --> 00:29:09.831 align:center that Myron is somebody in front of the cameras, 00:29:09.914 --> 00:29:12.542 align:center but behind them is somebody else with me, 00:29:12.625 --> 00:29:14.210 align:center and I love him very much, 00:29:14.294 --> 00:29:17.547 align:center and I will love him as long as we're together. 00:29:17.630 --> 00:29:18.631 align:center -Come here, baby. -Yeah. 00:29:18.715 --> 00:29:21.217 align:center -Five stars on Yelp. -Yeah, five stars? 00:29:21.301 --> 00:29:24.345 align:center Yeah. Five stars on Yelp, yeah. 00:29:24.429 --> 00:29:25.972 align:center -Yeah. -Yeah. 00:29:26.681 --> 00:29:31.227 align:center But no, I'm happy to have her by my side. She's been great, really helpful. 00:29:31.311 --> 00:29:35.190 align:center So, one of the things we've been talking about is relations between men and women. 00:29:35.273 --> 00:29:38.943 align:center Myron's been quite open about the fact that he expects to be in a relationship 00:29:39.027 --> 00:29:41.654 align:center in which there's one-way monogamy, as he calls it. 00:29:41.738 --> 00:29:44.115 align:center He's allowed to basically pursue other relationships… 00:29:44.199 --> 00:29:47.076 align:center -So, our open relationship? -Mm-hmm. But you're not. 00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:48.661 align:center The women that he sleeps with, 00:29:48.745 --> 00:29:52.040 align:center he's just gonna be with them for a night or so or whatever, 00:29:52.123 --> 00:29:54.834 align:center but I don't… I don't think he sees me that way because I… 00:29:54.918 --> 00:29:57.712 align:center There is a reason why I've stayed so long with him. 00:29:57.795 --> 00:30:00.715 align:center -I don't wanna mix things up between you. -Yeah. 00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.301 align:center But we were talking about, in the future, maybe there's a world 00:30:03.384 --> 00:30:05.595 align:center where you would have more than one wife, right? 00:30:05.678 --> 00:30:06.596 align:center She understands that. 00:30:06.679 --> 00:30:09.349 align:center She knows that that could potentially come down in the future. 00:30:09.432 --> 00:30:10.850 align:center What do you say about that? 00:30:11.351 --> 00:30:13.603 align:center Uh, I don't know. 00:30:13.686 --> 00:30:16.105 align:center I mean, he has said that in the past. 00:30:16.189 --> 00:30:19.025 align:center Uh, I think when… I'll see when it happens. 00:30:19.108 --> 00:30:22.403 align:center Like, I don't know how that will work. The thing is that I think-- 00:30:22.487 --> 00:30:26.658 align:center But it's not gonna be anytime soon because I'm just so focused on working. 00:30:26.741 --> 00:30:28.201 align:center -But it could happen? -It could. 00:30:28.284 --> 00:30:30.286 align:center You can kick it down the road only so long. 00:30:30.370 --> 00:30:34.249 align:center She's put two years into a relationship. If that's your long-term plan, 00:30:34.332 --> 00:30:36.918 align:center at some point, those two realities will collide. 00:30:37.001 --> 00:30:39.212 align:center That's a bridge we'll cross when we get there. Now-- 00:30:39.295 --> 00:30:40.964 align:center What does that mean? That's so avoidant. 00:30:41.047 --> 00:30:43.424 align:center -It's something… You never know, man. -It's just-- 00:30:43.508 --> 00:30:45.343 align:center You can always change your mind down the road. 00:30:45.426 --> 00:30:47.846 align:center Who knows? Maybe I'll say I only wanna be with one girl 00:30:47.929 --> 00:30:49.097 align:center 'cause two would be too tough. 00:30:49.180 --> 00:30:51.057 align:center You've backtracked on that already? 00:30:51.641 --> 00:30:54.310 align:center Some people in this part of the culture, right, 00:30:54.394 --> 00:30:57.689 align:center who advocates for the idea of the 1% male, that ultimate masculine… 00:30:57.772 --> 00:30:59.566 align:center -Can you take him into the room? -Sure. 00:30:59.649 --> 00:31:01.609 align:center -That he's some-- -Frank, go with her. Sorry. 00:31:01.693 --> 00:31:04.362 align:center Also, I need… If you could clean up the room too. 00:31:04.445 --> 00:31:06.364 align:center -Yeah. -I need some help, yeah, with that. 00:31:07.323 --> 00:31:09.659 align:center Was that okay, by the way? I always feel weird like… 00:31:09.742 --> 00:31:11.536 align:center -No. It's cool. -It's awkward, though. 00:31:11.619 --> 00:31:13.997 align:center -No. I-- -What did you feel? It felt awkward. 00:31:14.080 --> 00:31:16.833 align:center No, not at all. No. Angie, like… She's with me-- 00:31:16.916 --> 00:31:19.544 align:center I don't think she's as on board as you are. 00:31:20.336 --> 00:31:23.339 align:center -On board with what? -You know what. 00:31:23.423 --> 00:31:27.635 align:center -Just the idea of other ladies. -No, we've had these discussions. 00:31:27.719 --> 00:31:29.596 align:center -I saw a little bit of pain in her. -No. 00:31:29.679 --> 00:31:30.972 align:center -No, definitely. -No. 00:31:31.055 --> 00:31:32.056 align:center -Yes. -No. 00:31:32.140 --> 00:31:34.225 align:center -Definitely. Yeah. -No, no. She's fine. 00:31:34.309 --> 00:31:37.687 align:center You don't think if I said to her, "You would have Myron all to yourself, 00:31:37.770 --> 00:31:38.980 align:center would you rather have that?" 00:31:39.063 --> 00:31:41.190 align:center You don't think she would say, "100%, of course"? 00:31:41.274 --> 00:31:43.860 align:center She'd say, "Whatever makes him happy." That's what she would say. 00:31:43.943 --> 00:31:47.864 align:center You know, the time I do have, I spend with her if I'm with any woman. 00:32:01.002 --> 00:32:03.004 align:center Is that open? You've locked it. 00:32:03.087 --> 00:32:04.297 align:center No, I didn't. 00:32:06.925 --> 00:32:08.259 align:center -Thank you. -Yeah, no. 00:32:08.343 --> 00:32:10.094 align:center I wasn't fucking with you, though. 00:32:10.803 --> 00:32:13.556 align:center I'd been hoping to understand a little more about Justin 00:32:14.641 --> 00:32:17.435 align:center and how he came to believe what he believed. 00:32:17.518 --> 00:32:21.773 align:center I think a lot of people assume that I'm unhappy and I'll never know love. 00:32:21.856 --> 00:32:25.401 align:center -Why would they assume that? -'Cause of my views or sexual preference. 00:32:25.485 --> 00:32:27.862 align:center If me and my wife have a bunch of girlfriends, 00:32:27.946 --> 00:32:30.198 align:center or let's say three or four girlfriends, 00:32:30.698 --> 00:32:33.660 align:center then all of a sudden, somehow, I must not be happy. 00:32:34.243 --> 00:32:38.706 align:center There's a few of 'em that are die-hard, tattooing my name on 'em. 00:32:38.790 --> 00:32:40.333 align:center Why would they do that? 00:32:40.416 --> 00:32:42.961 align:center -Why would they do what? -Tattoo your name on them. 00:32:43.044 --> 00:32:45.672 align:center Probably 'cause they saw it on my… my wife. 00:32:50.551 --> 00:32:53.262 align:center I'd done some digging into Justin's background, 00:32:53.346 --> 00:32:56.140 align:center growing up in a small town in Louisiana. 00:33:02.730 --> 00:33:07.610 align:center Becoming a college football star, then founding RedIron Construction. 00:33:07.694 --> 00:33:11.656 align:center He leveraged his image as a steel magnate into podcast appearances. 00:33:17.787 --> 00:33:22.041 align:center But how much of it was exactly as described was hard to know. 00:33:23.084 --> 00:33:25.211 align:center My man! How y'all doing? 00:33:25.294 --> 00:33:27.672 align:center He'd offered to show me his main apartment, 00:33:27.755 --> 00:33:30.258 align:center where he lived with his other half and their two daughters. 00:33:30.925 --> 00:33:34.220 align:center Your wife, you prefer she's kept off-camera, correct? 00:33:34.303 --> 00:33:36.222 align:center -1,000%. -And the kids too. 00:33:36.305 --> 00:33:38.307 align:center I wanna protect my family, you know? 00:33:38.391 --> 00:33:40.435 align:center Like any man would wanna protect his family. 00:33:40.518 --> 00:33:43.771 align:center They'd all moved there a few months earlier from Baton Rouge 00:33:43.855 --> 00:33:46.649 align:center while Justin tried to grow his social media brand 00:33:46.733 --> 00:33:49.360 align:center and build contacts with Trump's inner circle. 00:33:49.444 --> 00:33:50.820 align:center I had dinner with Barron. 00:33:50.903 --> 00:33:52.280 align:center -Where? -At Mar-a-Lago. 00:33:52.363 --> 00:33:54.907 align:center -At Mar-a-Lago? Did you? -I met Donald that night. Yeah. 00:33:54.991 --> 00:33:57.785 align:center But I've been to Mar-a-Lago four or five times. 00:33:59.495 --> 00:34:01.998 align:center -These windows are incredible. -It's beautiful. 00:34:02.081 --> 00:34:04.417 align:center How much did it set you back? 00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:06.210 align:center -This? -Or is it a rental? 00:34:06.919 --> 00:34:08.671 align:center Oh no, I rent this place. 00:34:08.755 --> 00:34:10.798 align:center By the time I pay all the bills, 20 grand a month. 00:34:10.882 --> 00:34:13.259 align:center How much are you worth, would you say? 00:34:13.342 --> 00:34:16.846 align:center The last time I checked, it was well over 30. 00:34:16.929 --> 00:34:19.056 align:center -Thirty…? -Million. Yeah. 00:34:19.140 --> 00:34:22.602 align:center So I'm not as rich as a lot of these guys, but, you know, I'm doing okay. 00:34:24.228 --> 00:34:26.063 align:center You guys gotta see upstairs. 00:34:30.735 --> 00:34:32.737 align:center -So-- -And that's your pool down there? 00:34:32.820 --> 00:34:33.738 align:center Yeah. 00:34:35.031 --> 00:34:36.699 align:center People ask me, "Why Miami?" 00:34:36.783 --> 00:34:39.243 align:center And I tell 'em because, if it was 120 years ago, 00:34:39.327 --> 00:34:43.122 align:center I'd be on a horse on the way to California to dig for gold. It's in me. I love it. 00:34:43.206 --> 00:34:48.169 align:center It feels like, whether you call it the red pill community or the manosphere, 00:34:48.252 --> 00:34:51.255 align:center that it's seeking to maybe correct something, 00:34:51.339 --> 00:34:54.592 align:center to redress a change in the culture. 00:34:55.092 --> 00:34:59.680 align:center I believe that the world really took a swing in the wrong direction 00:34:59.764 --> 00:35:02.809 align:center when it comes to it being acceptable 00:35:02.892 --> 00:35:06.771 align:center for a man to have a masculine energy about him, to be strong. 00:35:06.854 --> 00:35:08.272 align:center It got called toxic. 00:35:08.356 --> 00:35:12.777 align:center And you mix that with feminism, and we've asked women to become men. 00:35:13.569 --> 00:35:17.323 align:center You know, men build… invent, build, and maintain society. 00:35:17.406 --> 00:35:19.867 align:center That's a fact, you know, and… and… 00:35:19.951 --> 00:35:23.955 align:center -Don't women do that too? -Uh, I don't… Look around. 00:35:24.038 --> 00:35:27.834 align:center Can you name anything that a woman has invented and built in our plain sight? 00:35:27.917 --> 00:35:30.336 align:center -Around here? -Nothing. 00:35:30.419 --> 00:35:33.798 align:center Men built all these buildings. They engineered 'em. They designed them. 00:35:33.881 --> 00:35:35.258 align:center Do we definitely know that? 00:35:35.341 --> 00:35:37.385 align:center -It is a fact. -There are many-- 00:35:37.468 --> 00:35:40.513 align:center There's nothing wrong with that, though. That's the other point. 00:35:40.596 --> 00:35:43.224 align:center People think that we don't like women. I love women. 00:35:43.307 --> 00:35:46.811 align:center Are you okay with girls, women wanting to be 00:35:46.894 --> 00:35:50.439 align:center -architects, astronauts, entrepreneurs? -Absolutely. Hell, yeah. 00:35:50.523 --> 00:35:52.150 align:center If that's what they want. 00:35:52.233 --> 00:35:55.653 align:center -But you think they don't want that. -I think some of them do. 00:35:55.736 --> 00:35:57.697 align:center But I think, by and largely, 00:35:57.780 --> 00:36:01.200 align:center these women are looking for husbands and want to have families. 00:36:02.660 --> 00:36:05.204 align:center You're not a tall guy, and you take care of fitness, 00:36:05.288 --> 00:36:07.832 align:center and you have a certain reputation in your town, 00:36:07.915 --> 00:36:09.959 align:center and you make money, I'll be fucking damned 00:36:10.042 --> 00:36:13.129 align:center if you can't have one of the finest women in that town or maybe two. 00:36:13.212 --> 00:36:15.923 align:center Maybe you don't come to Miami and pull Miami tens, 00:36:16.007 --> 00:36:19.093 align:center but I'll be damned if you can't pull a couple eights or nines 00:36:19.176 --> 00:36:20.511 align:center in a small town in America. 00:36:20.595 --> 00:36:22.763 align:center And I know this 'cause I've built steel buildings 00:36:22.847 --> 00:36:24.140 align:center all over the fucking country. 00:36:24.223 --> 00:36:25.349 align:center They are there, bro. 00:36:25.433 --> 00:36:28.644 align:center Nothing in this world can stop you from getting what you want. 00:36:28.728 --> 00:36:31.063 align:center You just have to nut the fuck up and go get it. 00:36:31.147 --> 00:36:32.148 align:center Yeah. 00:36:32.231 --> 00:36:34.442 align:center -He says you just have to… -Man up. 00:36:34.525 --> 00:36:36.110 align:center Did he say, "Nut the fuck up"? 00:36:36.194 --> 00:36:37.528 align:center -Shut up and nut up. -Yeah. 00:36:37.612 --> 00:36:39.989 align:center -Shut up and nut up? -It's tough love. 00:36:40.072 --> 00:36:42.950 align:center At a Miami beach, I was with Mattie and Chris, 00:36:43.034 --> 00:36:45.953 align:center the two fans of Justin's I'd met at the tea place. 00:36:46.037 --> 00:36:47.872 align:center I was hoping to understand a little more 00:36:47.955 --> 00:36:51.250 align:center of what they appreciated in the manosphere content. 00:36:51.334 --> 00:36:53.628 align:center That mindset of Justin Waller, 00:36:53.711 --> 00:36:55.755 align:center it inspires young men, especially like myself, 00:36:55.838 --> 00:36:58.424 align:center who maybe didn't have that male figure in the house. 00:36:58.507 --> 00:37:00.635 align:center As a man, nobody's gonna give you a handout. 00:37:00.718 --> 00:37:02.595 align:center If I'm living in the street, 00:37:02.678 --> 00:37:04.931 align:center why am I gonna wait for somebody to fix my life 00:37:05.014 --> 00:37:06.307 align:center when I can fix my own life? 00:37:06.390 --> 00:37:08.142 align:center -This hand gesture… -Yeah. 00:37:08.226 --> 00:37:11.520 align:center I've seen Andrew Tate doing that in interviews. I never knew what it meant. 00:37:11.604 --> 00:37:13.731 align:center -It's to do with the matrix? -Yeah. 00:37:13.814 --> 00:37:17.568 align:center Do you know… There's a term called the matrix. 00:37:17.652 --> 00:37:23.866 align:center So, basically, yes, we're… we're born to… to just accept what society gives to you. 00:37:24.367 --> 00:37:27.662 align:center And what he promotes is saying that, no, you have to refuse it. 00:37:27.745 --> 00:37:30.706 align:center Refuse that, and you accomplish your own goals. 00:37:30.790 --> 00:37:33.501 align:center I'm going to help my mother. I'm gonna give generational wealth 00:37:33.584 --> 00:37:34.877 align:center to my kids, to my mother, 00:37:34.961 --> 00:37:38.464 align:center to my… to everybody else, and there's nothing that can hold me back. 00:37:38.547 --> 00:37:40.883 align:center -No 9-to-5 job is gonna give you that. -Exactly. 00:37:40.967 --> 00:37:43.219 align:center -That's "the matrix." -That's "the matrix," the job. 00:37:43.302 --> 00:37:44.637 align:center -That box. -That box. 00:37:44.720 --> 00:37:46.681 align:center That you're going to work every day, 00:37:46.764 --> 00:37:49.934 align:center and you're sacrificing a better life for you and your loved ones. 00:37:50.017 --> 00:37:51.978 align:center People don't want to… 00:37:53.270 --> 00:37:55.773 align:center They don't wanna see, like, an empowerment of men. 00:37:55.856 --> 00:37:56.816 align:center 'Cause it's a threat. 00:38:05.449 --> 00:38:08.661 align:center Mattie had moved to Miami two years earlier to make it big, 00:38:08.744 --> 00:38:10.454 align:center but it hadn't been easy. 00:38:10.538 --> 00:38:11.539 align:center Come on. 00:38:12.164 --> 00:38:14.458 align:center Recently, he'd been homeless. 00:38:15.126 --> 00:38:17.128 align:center You were in your car for a while, living in your car? 00:38:17.211 --> 00:38:18.462 align:center Yeah. That was in the past, 00:38:18.546 --> 00:38:21.424 align:center but lucky enough that, uh… that God pulled me out of that. 00:38:21.507 --> 00:38:24.844 align:center I was feeling sorry for myself. I was like, I'm in a losing position, 00:38:24.927 --> 00:38:26.262 align:center and I'm crying every night. 00:38:26.345 --> 00:38:29.181 align:center I have no food to eat. But I could do one of two things. 00:38:29.265 --> 00:38:33.811 align:center Either keep complaining about my position or start thinking solutions-based. 00:38:33.894 --> 00:38:35.980 align:center Maybe start changing the perspective, how I see it. 00:38:36.063 --> 00:38:39.734 align:center Maybe… As men, we're meant to suffer. We're not meant to be happy. 00:38:39.817 --> 00:38:42.111 align:center We learn more in our failures than in our wins. 00:38:42.611 --> 00:38:45.114 align:center -And we don't believe in depression also. -Meaning? 00:38:45.197 --> 00:38:46.324 align:center We don't believe in it. 00:38:46.407 --> 00:38:48.659 align:center You know, the average person that has everything 00:38:48.743 --> 00:38:51.287 align:center that they need to exceed in life, yet you're still depressed, 00:38:51.370 --> 00:38:53.247 align:center yet you're still feeling sorry for yourself… 00:38:53.330 --> 00:38:54.665 align:center Like, you have the tools you need. 00:38:54.749 --> 00:38:56.667 align:center My brother passed away. 00:38:56.751 --> 00:38:58.127 align:center I had moments where I was sad, 00:38:58.210 --> 00:39:00.379 align:center but I tried to turn it into something positive. 00:39:00.463 --> 00:39:02.381 align:center -How did he die? -Um… 00:39:02.882 --> 00:39:06.469 align:center He… he took his own life. But what I'm saying is that's in the past. 00:39:06.552 --> 00:39:08.012 align:center And I have to use that, 00:39:08.095 --> 00:39:11.891 align:center and I have to become great, not only for myself, but for my brother. 00:39:16.812 --> 00:39:19.273 align:center For the first time, I felt I'd had an insight 00:39:19.357 --> 00:39:23.694 align:center into how the masculinist messaging offered direction and a sense of hope 00:39:23.778 --> 00:39:25.988 align:center to people facing difficulties. 00:39:28.282 --> 00:39:32.203 align:center But I was also struck by the distrust that came with it. 00:39:32.286 --> 00:39:37.708 align:center The idea of a matrix purposely designed to make men fail. 00:39:39.001 --> 00:39:40.669 align:center -How's it looking? -Looks great. 00:39:50.763 --> 00:39:53.265 align:center Smartest dog in Miami right here, this guy. 00:39:53.849 --> 00:39:56.602 align:center I'd arranged to go on Myron's podcast. 00:39:58.479 --> 00:39:59.772 align:center Frank, open the door. 00:40:00.481 --> 00:40:02.024 align:center Given it is widely viewed 00:40:02.108 --> 00:40:05.861 align:center as one of the most poisonous shows in the entire manosphere, 00:40:05.945 --> 00:40:09.573 align:center it wasn't a straightforward decision, but I'd felt it was important 00:40:09.657 --> 00:40:12.535 align:center to see him at work and get a sense of his audience. 00:40:12.618 --> 00:40:14.537 align:center -Walter. -Louis. How are you doing? 00:40:14.620 --> 00:40:17.248 align:center He'd taken some persuading to let me back. 00:40:17.331 --> 00:40:20.751 align:center He'd been unhappy about the interview with his girlfriend Angie. 00:40:22.044 --> 00:40:24.922 align:center If you guys want anything to drink, just ask one of the ladies. 00:40:25.005 --> 00:40:29.051 align:center I would be appearing on a section called Fresh&Fit AfterHours… 00:40:29.135 --> 00:40:32.763 align:center You understand that if you're a fat woman, you're effectively useless in life. 00:40:32.847 --> 00:40:36.934 align:center …where Myron and his cohost, Walter, spar with local female influencers. 00:40:37.017 --> 00:40:38.978 align:center -You're huge. Not attractive. -'Cause… Got it. 00:40:39.061 --> 00:40:43.023 align:center For you to behave the way that you do is a fucking embarrassment to society. 00:40:43.107 --> 00:40:45.442 align:center You fat fuckin' bitch. Get the fuck out my studio. 00:40:45.526 --> 00:40:47.278 align:center -Go back to your bitch-ass husband. -Let's go! 00:40:47.361 --> 00:40:49.363 align:center Get the fuck up outta here. You're an embarrassment. 00:40:50.072 --> 00:40:52.700 align:center Three, two, one. 00:40:54.285 --> 00:40:57.413 align:center And we are live. What's up, guys? Welcome to the Fresh&Fit podcast. 00:40:57.496 --> 00:40:59.999 align:center We're here with special guest Stirling Cooper, back in the house! 00:41:00.082 --> 00:41:03.836 align:center Tonight, the stream started with Myron talking to a dating coach 00:41:03.919 --> 00:41:07.214 align:center and penis extension expert named Stirling Cooper. 00:41:07.298 --> 00:41:10.759 align:center Uh, so I used to be a porn star. Started my own YouTube channel. 00:41:10.843 --> 00:41:13.679 align:center Started teaching guys how to fix problems in the bedroom 00:41:13.762 --> 00:41:17.433 align:center and how to, yeah, dick their girl down properly. 00:41:17.516 --> 00:41:20.436 align:center Giving her what she really wants, like, subconsciously. 00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:23.731 align:center Let's be honest here. Everything about female nature is a lie. 00:41:23.814 --> 00:41:25.149 align:center They wear makeup. 00:41:25.232 --> 00:41:26.901 align:center You don't know when they're on their period. 00:41:26.984 --> 00:41:28.777 align:center They don't really show attention to you. 00:41:29.653 --> 00:41:31.405 align:center With a few minutes before my segment, 00:41:31.489 --> 00:41:34.533 align:center I wandered off to meet the woman who books the girls for the show. 00:41:34.617 --> 00:41:37.161 align:center -How you doing? -Hi. Nice to meet you. 00:41:37.244 --> 00:41:39.705 align:center -Louis. -Louis, my name's Icy. 00:41:39.788 --> 00:41:41.081 align:center -Icy. -I help out with the back. 00:41:41.165 --> 00:41:45.711 align:center So, the girls will end up going on Fresh&Fit? On the show? 00:41:45.794 --> 00:41:50.508 align:center Yeah. Sometimes we'd get into fights here before when we used to serve alcohol, 00:41:50.591 --> 00:41:55.346 align:center and those nights weren't really pretty when the girls got into their emotions. 00:41:55.429 --> 00:41:58.057 align:center I'm gonna counsel me, 'cause when it comes to women… 00:41:58.140 --> 00:42:00.601 align:center So, like, no, my friend. You are a guy. 00:42:00.684 --> 00:42:04.313 align:center As we continued, Myron became aware of the conversation. 00:42:04.897 --> 00:42:07.900 align:center -Don't ask for nudes. Never ask for nudes. -Yeah, that's a L. 00:42:08.901 --> 00:42:12.196 align:center Oh, I just messed up. 00:42:13.781 --> 00:42:16.116 align:center Okay. Um… 00:42:16.200 --> 00:42:17.201 align:center You okay? 00:42:19.453 --> 00:42:21.372 align:center What happened? Everything all right? 00:42:21.455 --> 00:42:23.540 align:center Um, I don't know how to properly say this, 00:42:23.624 --> 00:42:26.669 align:center but I cannot answer any more questions anymore. 00:42:26.752 --> 00:42:27.795 align:center -Oh no. -Yeah. 00:42:27.878 --> 00:42:29.421 align:center -Okay. -Sorry. 00:42:29.505 --> 00:42:30.631 align:center That's all right. 00:42:31.715 --> 00:42:33.842 align:center -I appreciate you guys. -All right. No problem. 00:42:33.926 --> 00:42:34.927 align:center Thank you. 00:42:36.345 --> 00:42:37.596 align:center I'm sorry to make it awkward. 00:42:37.680 --> 00:42:39.473 align:center -That's no problem. -But it's not me. 00:42:39.557 --> 00:42:41.725 align:center I'm sorry if we've made your life, uh, difficult. 00:42:41.809 --> 00:42:45.145 align:center No, no, no. You didn't. You didn't. I'm just not allowed to. That's all. 00:42:45.854 --> 00:42:48.482 align:center Myron had seemingly shut down Icy. 00:42:48.566 --> 00:42:49.733 align:center Tell her to go downstairs too. 00:42:49.817 --> 00:42:52.194 align:center Did you find it strange that the ones that don't… 00:42:52.278 --> 00:42:54.029 align:center And stay down there. 00:42:54.113 --> 00:42:57.366 align:center But before I could find out why, it was showtime. 00:43:02.329 --> 00:43:04.623 align:center We're back. Welcome to Fresh&Fit podcast AfterHours edition. 00:43:04.707 --> 00:43:08.627 align:center If you don't mind, give us your name, your age, what you do for a living. 00:43:08.711 --> 00:43:12.798 align:center My name's Ruby. I'm 22. Um, I do bottle service. 00:43:12.881 --> 00:43:16.635 align:center My name is Giselle. I'm a full-time model currently. 00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:20.306 align:center Hi, I'm Caro. I model, and I do social media. 00:43:20.389 --> 00:43:21.682 align:center Just say OnlyFans, man. 00:43:21.765 --> 00:43:24.602 align:center Um, actually, no. I think I might be stopping OnlyFans. 00:43:24.685 --> 00:43:27.813 align:center We've got some company in the house. Louis, you wanna introduce yourself? 00:43:27.896 --> 00:43:30.316 align:center My name's Louis, and I make documentaries. 00:43:30.399 --> 00:43:33.652 align:center So, I've been spending a bit of time with Myron and getting to know him. 00:43:33.736 --> 00:43:35.696 align:center Am I as toxic as they say? 00:43:35.779 --> 00:43:39.992 align:center You know, uh, I'm waiting to make my final determination on that. 00:43:40.075 --> 00:43:41.702 align:center -I have a question. -Okay. 00:43:41.785 --> 00:43:43.537 align:center Ladies, if you don't mind, uh… 00:43:43.621 --> 00:43:45.247 align:center Can you name three countries? 00:43:45.331 --> 00:43:48.334 align:center Portugal. 00:43:48.417 --> 00:43:50.377 align:center -More fucking loud. -Barcelona. 00:43:50.461 --> 00:43:53.213 align:center Okay, what about you? 00:43:54.923 --> 00:43:58.677 align:center The format seemed mainly a chance to embarrass the female guests. 00:43:58.761 --> 00:44:01.472 align:center You want a guy that's successful, but want him to give you attention. 00:44:01.555 --> 00:44:03.432 align:center Absolutely. That's just me. 00:44:03.515 --> 00:44:05.601 align:center Can we get the calculator out, please? 00:44:05.684 --> 00:44:08.604 align:center This right here is the Fresh&Fit Female Delusion Calculator. 00:44:08.687 --> 00:44:10.189 align:center -Okay. -Height? 00:44:10.272 --> 00:44:12.191 align:center -Six foot. -Race? 00:44:12.274 --> 00:44:14.401 align:center I prefer Black. That's who I see myself with. 00:44:14.485 --> 00:44:15.986 align:center Minimum income per year? 00:44:16.487 --> 00:44:18.989 align:center Let's just do 300,000 a year. 00:44:19.073 --> 00:44:22.576 align:center Uh, your man meets less than 1% of the male population here. 00:44:22.660 --> 00:44:25.871 align:center Are you okay with staying single for the rest of your life? 00:44:25.954 --> 00:44:27.122 align:center You're not gonna find that. 00:44:27.206 --> 00:44:29.333 align:center Would you be okay with him having other women? 00:44:29.416 --> 00:44:31.085 align:center -Absolutely not. -You're cooked. 00:44:31.168 --> 00:44:33.837 align:center You guys overinflate your own sense of self-worth. 00:44:33.921 --> 00:44:35.923 align:center You guys think you're better than you really are. 00:44:36.006 --> 00:44:38.926 align:center But the reality is, all of you guys bring the same thing to the table. 00:44:39.009 --> 00:44:40.511 align:center 'Cause men don't ask for much. 00:44:40.594 --> 00:44:44.098 align:center So, if you don't wanna give it to him, he'll go find a 21-year-old that will. 00:44:45.224 --> 00:44:48.477 align:center You know, you're talking like… 'Cause you've never been married. 00:44:48.560 --> 00:44:51.897 align:center There's so much more to a relationship than just the physical side of it. 00:44:51.980 --> 00:44:55.567 align:center But the original reason why men deal with women in the first place 00:44:55.651 --> 00:44:57.361 align:center is their beauty and their sexuality. 00:44:57.444 --> 00:44:59.780 align:center Yes and no. You may be attracted to her 00:44:59.863 --> 00:45:03.033 align:center because of her intelligence and her sense of humor as well. 00:45:04.451 --> 00:45:06.203 align:center All right. "To the slag two down from Myron, 00:45:06.286 --> 00:45:07.496 align:center since you cheat on every…" 00:45:07.579 --> 00:45:11.083 align:center For a fee, viewers could have their comments read out live on air. 00:45:11.166 --> 00:45:12.376 align:center Masiam. 20 bucks. 00:45:12.459 --> 00:45:16.046 align:center "Hey, playdough forehead two down from Myron, 00:45:16.130 --> 00:45:18.674 align:center just cut your losses and shut the fuck…" God damn. 00:45:19.174 --> 00:45:21.510 align:center Okay. Yeah. All right. Ladies, does body count matter? 00:45:21.593 --> 00:45:25.264 align:center Don't judge my body count, and I won't judge yours. Clean slate. 00:45:25.347 --> 00:45:27.683 align:center Whatever happens in the past stays in the past. 00:45:27.766 --> 00:45:29.601 align:center Let's go on and roll this video. 00:45:29.685 --> 00:45:31.729 align:center I'm a neuroscientist. Let me explain. 00:45:31.812 --> 00:45:33.897 align:center Studies show that women absorb and retain 00:45:33.981 --> 00:45:36.900 align:center the DNA of every man they've been with via sperm. 00:45:36.984 --> 00:45:38.402 align:center This foreign DNA has been found 00:45:38.485 --> 00:45:41.447 align:center in the brain, organs, and reproductive system, 00:45:41.530 --> 00:45:43.741 align:center but nobody talks about the consequences. 00:45:43.824 --> 00:45:46.660 align:center Ever wonder why some kids resemble an ex more than their father? 00:45:46.743 --> 00:45:47.995 align:center This is usually why. 00:45:48.078 --> 00:45:49.997 align:center The more men a woman has been with, 00:45:50.080 --> 00:45:53.333 align:center the higher the risk of negative mutations in her future children. 00:45:53.417 --> 00:45:55.794 align:center -Louis, what do you think? -Well, that video… 00:45:55.878 --> 00:45:57.546 align:center That was ridiculous. 00:45:57.629 --> 00:46:02.676 align:center The thing about, "Oh, you have a kid, and it resembles your previous partner"? 00:46:02.759 --> 00:46:04.094 align:center No one thinks that. 00:46:04.178 --> 00:46:06.555 align:center -Well, there has been some-- -That's insane. 00:46:06.638 --> 00:46:08.515 align:center There has been scientific data that reflects this 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:10.476 align:center when it comes to females and parent bonding. 00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:13.103 align:center When they talk about misinformation on the internet, 00:46:13.187 --> 00:46:14.980 align:center this is what they're talking about. 00:46:15.063 --> 00:46:17.316 align:center I think the biggest takeaway is that… 00:46:17.399 --> 00:46:19.151 align:center As I was drawn into the conversation, 00:46:19.234 --> 00:46:22.905 align:center I realized I too was being assessed by commenters in the chat. 00:46:24.573 --> 00:46:27.326 align:center The anonymous posters did not hold back. 00:46:30.204 --> 00:46:32.915 align:center All right. Love y'all, but catch me tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. 00:46:32.998 --> 00:46:35.125 align:center -MyronGainesX. Later. -Peace. 00:46:36.418 --> 00:46:38.879 align:center After the show, I reflected on the reductiveness 00:46:38.962 --> 00:46:41.048 align:center of its take on gender relations, 00:46:41.131 --> 00:46:45.260 align:center where both women and men were only as good as their various stats, 00:46:45.344 --> 00:46:47.971 align:center money, height, body count. 00:46:50.974 --> 00:46:55.646 align:center But I also realized Myron's girlfriend Angie hadn't been at the studio. 00:46:55.729 --> 00:46:58.732 align:center I decided to talk to him about what the issue was. 00:46:58.816 --> 00:47:01.902 align:center You know, I sensed that there was a little feeling 00:47:01.985 --> 00:47:04.154 align:center of maybe Angie shouldn't be in the documentary, 00:47:04.238 --> 00:47:06.198 align:center and I just wonder what was behind that. 00:47:06.824 --> 00:47:08.742 align:center I decided to get into the limelight, 00:47:08.826 --> 00:47:11.453 align:center and I don't want her to have to deal with that. 00:47:11.537 --> 00:47:13.914 align:center She's on the show, isn't she? I've seen her. 00:47:13.997 --> 00:47:16.458 align:center -No. She doesn't come on the show. -Not anymore? I've seen her. 00:47:16.542 --> 00:47:17.918 align:center It's been a while. Frank, sit. 00:47:18.001 --> 00:47:21.463 align:center I want her to focus on being happy. She doesn't need to be in the limelight. 00:47:21.547 --> 00:47:24.258 align:center -Is that coming more from you or from her? -Both. 00:47:30.806 --> 00:47:32.975 align:center And with that, I was leaving Miami 00:47:33.850 --> 00:47:38.480 align:center with the inescapable sense that something in the Angie chat had bothered Myron. 00:47:39.064 --> 00:47:43.652 align:center That he felt he'd come across as somehow weak and insufficiently alpha. 00:47:45.195 --> 00:47:49.408 align:center But I was also thinking about the experience of being on Fresh&Fit 00:47:49.491 --> 00:47:52.077 align:center and the symbiotic relationship between Myron 00:47:52.160 --> 00:47:55.831 align:center and the Instagram models and OnlyFans girls that were his guests 00:47:55.914 --> 00:47:58.458 align:center as they used each other to raise their profiles. 00:48:02.796 --> 00:48:05.591 align:center It is a common tactic in the manosphere 00:48:05.674 --> 00:48:08.468 align:center to advocate for traditional values 00:48:08.552 --> 00:48:13.223 align:center while at the same time wanting to be seen with scantily clad models in bikinis. 00:48:14.057 --> 00:48:15.726 align:center Hiya. Pretty active at work. 00:48:16.560 --> 00:48:19.438 align:center I'd been thinking more about my time with HS. 00:48:19.521 --> 00:48:23.609 align:center He'd embodied a similar attitude, profiting from OnlyFans girls 00:48:23.692 --> 00:48:26.320 align:center while at the same time calling them disgusting. 00:48:26.403 --> 00:48:28.739 align:center All right, she's here. Get her. 00:48:28.822 --> 00:48:31.825 align:center An interview he'd done with the influencer Bonnie Blue, 00:48:31.908 --> 00:48:35.495 align:center famous for claiming to have had sex with 1,000 men in one day, 00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:37.289 align:center was just the latest example. 00:48:37.789 --> 00:48:42.210 align:center What girl is worse to idolize than this? There are other things you could've done. 00:48:42.294 --> 00:48:44.671 align:center I genuinely thought you'd be much more educated. 00:48:44.755 --> 00:48:45.923 align:center What do your parents say? 00:48:46.006 --> 00:48:48.008 align:center -They are proud and support me. -No, they're not. 00:48:48.091 --> 00:48:49.468 align:center This one is genuinely boring. 00:48:49.551 --> 00:48:51.762 align:center -They're not. -He's actually boring me. 00:48:51.845 --> 00:48:54.473 align:center Oh! Bonnie, why are you rattled? 00:48:54.556 --> 00:48:57.559 align:center You took your mic off, you dumb blonde. Put the mic on. 00:48:57.643 --> 00:48:59.645 align:center Bonnie just got fucking pressed. 00:49:03.190 --> 00:49:06.151 align:center It was a striking contradiction. 00:49:06.234 --> 00:49:08.987 align:center By now, his wariness of me had lessened, 00:49:09.071 --> 00:49:12.032 align:center presumably because he'd noticed his posts about the filming 00:49:12.115 --> 00:49:13.992 align:center were helping his social media presence. 00:49:14.076 --> 00:49:14.952 align:center They call me B. 00:49:15.035 --> 00:49:15.911 align:center -B? -Yeah. 00:49:15.994 --> 00:49:18.413 align:center I decided to speak to him again. 00:49:18.497 --> 00:49:21.583 align:center -Security? -Yeah. The best. 00:49:25.587 --> 00:49:27.756 align:center -How are you? -How you doing? Good to see you. 00:49:27.839 --> 00:49:28.966 align:center How's life? 00:49:29.758 --> 00:49:32.135 align:center The interview you did with Bonnie Blue was interesting. 00:49:32.219 --> 00:49:33.762 align:center -You saw? -It was interesting. 00:49:33.845 --> 00:49:35.681 align:center I think she's disgusting, bro. 00:49:36.932 --> 00:49:40.602 align:center I think she's absolutely repulsive as a person. 00:49:40.686 --> 00:49:43.397 align:center -So, why get her on the stream then? -Clout. 00:49:44.064 --> 00:49:46.566 align:center -Chasing her clout? -Yeah. 00:49:46.650 --> 00:49:48.527 align:center Views, which it did. And-- 00:49:48.610 --> 00:49:51.488 align:center You've got 500,000 people on your Telegram, right? 00:49:51.571 --> 00:49:54.574 align:center -Yeah. -You're advertising OnlyFans girls there. 00:49:54.658 --> 00:49:55.492 align:center Yeah. 00:49:55.575 --> 00:49:57.661 align:center Do you think there's a contradiction there? 00:49:57.744 --> 00:49:59.413 align:center No, because I openly say 00:49:59.496 --> 00:50:01.832 align:center I don't give a fuck, and I'm doing it for money. 00:50:01.915 --> 00:50:03.375 align:center I don't care about… 00:50:04.126 --> 00:50:05.335 align:center The morality of it? 00:50:05.419 --> 00:50:07.045 align:center I know it's not good. 00:50:07.129 --> 00:50:12.092 align:center I… I say to people, "Don't watch porn. It's sad. It's loser shit." 00:50:12.175 --> 00:50:15.303 align:center You can't say, "I promote it, but I discourage people from doing it." 00:50:15.387 --> 00:50:16.430 align:center But you can, because-- 00:50:16.513 --> 00:50:19.141 align:center -You can say it. It doesn't mean anything. -How does it not? 00:50:19.224 --> 00:50:22.477 align:center It's a bit like saying, "Come to the gym. I'm gonna help you work out," 00:50:22.561 --> 00:50:25.105 align:center and you come in the front door, and there's a row of donuts. 00:50:25.188 --> 00:50:28.692 align:center Here's a box of donuts that I'm holding up to your face. 00:50:28.775 --> 00:50:31.069 align:center "If you eat that, you're a loser, but I'm gonna work out." 00:50:31.153 --> 00:50:33.029 align:center It's like, "I'm getting a mixed message." 00:50:33.113 --> 00:50:35.532 align:center Mm. You do what you choose. 00:50:35.615 --> 00:50:37.617 align:center If you wanna go and eat the donuts, eat the donuts, 00:50:37.701 --> 00:50:39.286 align:center but I own the donut shop. 00:50:39.786 --> 00:50:42.748 align:center So whether you come in the gym and pay for my PT or eat the donuts, 00:50:42.831 --> 00:50:44.332 align:center I make dough either way. 00:50:44.416 --> 00:50:47.419 align:center My kids are gonna be very, very happy, very fulfilled. 00:50:47.502 --> 00:50:48.920 align:center They can do what they want. 00:50:49.004 --> 00:50:51.214 align:center You sound a bit like Bonnie Blue. 00:50:51.298 --> 00:50:52.382 align:center In what way? 00:50:52.466 --> 00:50:54.551 align:center You're saying, "It doesn't matter what choices I make." 00:50:54.634 --> 00:50:58.055 align:center "I'm making money, and my kids will enjoy a high standard of living." 00:50:58.138 --> 00:50:59.806 align:center -"My choices are irrelevant." -Not at all. 00:50:59.890 --> 00:51:04.895 align:center What? Me posting a picture with girls is the same as getting shagged by 1,000 guys? 00:51:04.978 --> 00:51:07.189 align:center -It's rationalizing. -Don't compare me to Bonnie. 00:51:07.272 --> 00:51:08.315 align:center It's rationalizing. 00:51:08.398 --> 00:51:10.817 align:center -Are you getting triggered? -I'm not getting triggered. 00:51:10.901 --> 00:51:12.819 align:center I don't know why you're talking shit, mate. 00:51:12.903 --> 00:51:16.198 align:center Why not try and be a good person? 00:51:18.325 --> 00:51:20.660 align:center -In what respect? What do you mean? -Just uplift people. 00:51:20.744 --> 00:51:22.871 align:center Don't pander to their worst impulses. 00:51:22.954 --> 00:51:26.166 align:center Actually encourage them to do the right… make the right choices. 00:51:27.084 --> 00:51:28.710 align:center That's a good question. 00:51:28.794 --> 00:51:31.630 align:center If I'd just done good things, 00:51:31.713 --> 00:51:35.342 align:center I would never have really blown up on social media in the first place, 00:51:35.425 --> 00:51:40.430 align:center because me live streaming, chatting up birds, whatever, 00:51:41.223 --> 00:51:43.183 align:center some of them birds don't wanna be on the internet. 00:51:43.266 --> 00:51:46.686 align:center So if I was just thinking, "Right, I don't wanna upset anyone." 00:51:46.770 --> 00:51:48.730 align:center "I don't wanna do anything that's duh-duh-duh," 00:51:48.814 --> 00:51:50.357 align:center I wouldn't have been where I'm at now. 00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:53.026 align:center And I'm not living for other people. I'm living for myself. 00:51:57.197 --> 00:51:59.783 align:center With his troublingly self-centered worldview 00:51:59.866 --> 00:52:01.785 align:center and the contradictions it entailed, 00:52:01.868 --> 00:52:05.038 align:center HS's latest project was House of Heat, 00:52:05.122 --> 00:52:06.998 align:center an OnlyFans content house, 00:52:07.082 --> 00:52:10.669 align:center where X-rated creators were living together and cross-promoting. 00:52:11.169 --> 00:52:14.214 align:center He was helping publicize their accounts on his channels 00:52:14.297 --> 00:52:16.258 align:center while taking a cut of any income. 00:52:21.763 --> 00:52:23.265 align:center -HSTikkyTokky! -Come on, bro. 00:52:23.348 --> 00:52:26.143 align:center -Come on, bro. My G. -Nice to meet you, man. 00:52:26.226 --> 00:52:28.603 align:center At a beach club by the Marbella port, 00:52:28.687 --> 00:52:31.773 align:center HS introduced me to one of the House of Heat models. 00:52:31.857 --> 00:52:34.526 align:center Louis, meet Ellie Nutts. 00:52:35.068 --> 00:52:36.736 align:center -Hi, Ellie. -Hi, nice to meet you. 00:52:36.820 --> 00:52:40.198 align:center She'd come up on TikTok as the Sexy Plasterer 00:52:40.282 --> 00:52:42.784 align:center with nearly 200,000 followers, 00:52:42.868 --> 00:52:45.412 align:center then leveraged it into an OnlyFans account. 00:52:47.497 --> 00:52:50.500 align:center Everyone double-tap the screen up. This is the new account. Get it moving. 00:52:51.084 --> 00:52:53.128 align:center Everyone spam this fucking live up. 00:52:53.211 --> 00:52:56.548 align:center Right now, we got Louis out here for the second time. 00:52:57.048 --> 00:52:59.885 align:center -'Cause he enjoyed the first time so much. -I'm not content. 00:52:59.968 --> 00:53:02.929 align:center -He's back out here with the crew. -I'm behind the scenes. 00:53:03.930 --> 00:53:05.348 align:center He is content. 00:53:05.432 --> 00:53:06.641 align:center What about Ellie? 00:53:06.725 --> 00:53:09.144 align:center I'm not forgetting Ellie. Everyone knows about Ellie, mate. 00:53:09.227 --> 00:53:11.646 align:center -Don't worry, Louis. -Hey, guys. 00:53:11.730 --> 00:53:14.357 align:center -Were you part of House of Heat? -Yeah. 00:53:14.441 --> 00:53:16.651 align:center One of the main people. Was it five of you? 00:53:16.735 --> 00:53:18.528 align:center How many will there be? 00:53:18.612 --> 00:53:20.614 align:center Well, I don't know. I reckon there's about… 00:53:20.697 --> 00:53:24.159 align:center -Me, Ellie, Lilly-- -Probably 15. Probably 15. 00:53:24.242 --> 00:53:26.828 align:center How well would you say you know HS? 00:53:27.871 --> 00:53:28.830 align:center Pretty well. 00:53:28.914 --> 00:53:30.540 align:center How would you describe him? 00:53:31.750 --> 00:53:34.711 align:center He's a genuine guy. He's funny. 00:53:34.794 --> 00:53:40.425 align:center Would it disappoint you if you found out that HS was very judgmental of OnlyFans 00:53:40.508 --> 00:53:42.594 align:center and thought it was actually disgusting? 00:53:42.677 --> 00:53:44.095 align:center Not really. 00:53:44.596 --> 00:53:46.681 align:center No. I don't care for other people's opinion 00:53:46.765 --> 00:53:48.808 align:center on what I'm doing for myself. 00:53:48.892 --> 00:53:50.602 align:center I'm comfortable in my decisions. 00:53:50.685 --> 00:53:54.606 align:center LD commented saying, "Louis Theroux is getting slops off the blonde." 00:53:54.689 --> 00:53:56.566 align:center No. 00:53:59.027 --> 00:54:01.571 align:center Double-tap this screen up right now. 00:54:01.655 --> 00:54:03.531 align:center Male audience. What can you expect? 00:54:03.615 --> 00:54:05.909 align:center -It's not surprising, is it? -No. 00:54:05.992 --> 00:54:11.039 align:center I'm just saying what the chat are saying. I've got to be entertaining the chat. 00:54:13.917 --> 00:54:17.462 align:center Since I'd last seen him, HS had been livestreaming more, 00:54:17.545 --> 00:54:19.047 align:center up to seven hours a day, 00:54:19.130 --> 00:54:23.051 align:center getting paid around £300 an hour if the audience was big enough, 00:54:23.134 --> 00:54:26.263 align:center with the pressure always on to keep them engaged. 00:54:27.722 --> 00:54:29.557 align:center Let's fucking start the stream. 00:54:30.308 --> 00:54:33.561 align:center Even so, what happened next was unexpected. 00:54:33.645 --> 00:54:37.649 align:center So, HS and his team have suddenly pulled off. 00:54:37.732 --> 00:54:40.652 align:center All right, boys, this right here is gonna be fucking interesting. 00:54:40.735 --> 00:54:43.738 align:center So, he's gonna pull up on this roundabout here. 00:54:43.822 --> 00:54:44.698 align:center Show 'em. 00:54:44.781 --> 00:54:48.076 align:center One of HS's minions claimed to have set up a date online 00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:52.539 align:center with an older man with the aim of humiliating him live on stream. 00:54:53.123 --> 00:54:55.792 align:center I stepped away and watched from a distance. 00:54:56.835 --> 00:54:59.546 align:center "W" in the chat if we should go and punch him up. 00:55:00.297 --> 00:55:02.132 align:center They all want him to get punched up. 00:55:05.010 --> 00:55:06.970 align:center Cheers, man. 00:55:07.053 --> 00:55:09.597 align:center -A man arrived… -My name's Harrison. 00:55:09.681 --> 00:55:11.516 align:center Excuse me, my friend. 00:55:12.017 --> 00:55:14.894 align:center …then sensing something was up, tried to leave 00:55:14.978 --> 00:55:18.982 align:center as HS's hangers-on kicked him and rained punches down on his head. 00:55:19.065 --> 00:55:22.360 align:center Enough! Enough! 00:55:22.444 --> 00:55:23.445 align:center Fuck! 00:55:24.821 --> 00:55:26.865 align:center They accused him of being a predator. 00:55:26.948 --> 00:55:29.701 align:center I had no way of knowing if this could be true. 00:55:30.201 --> 00:55:32.120 align:center Eventually, he got away. 00:55:32.203 --> 00:55:37.876 align:center Oi, that was so funny! Oh, he got slapped. He got slapped. 00:55:37.959 --> 00:55:40.754 align:center All right, don't film me. Walk the other way from me. 00:55:40.837 --> 00:55:42.380 align:center Walk the other way from me, bruv. 00:55:42.464 --> 00:55:44.049 align:center Can we go over there now? 00:55:44.132 --> 00:55:46.551 align:center "You're off to jail, mate." I didn't touch him. 00:55:47.927 --> 00:55:50.305 align:center That did not go to plan at all. 00:55:50.388 --> 00:55:52.348 align:center -It looked like an assault. -Yeah. 00:55:52.432 --> 00:55:53.808 align:center Was that not the plan? 00:55:53.892 --> 00:55:56.061 align:center Of course not. I've never done that in my life. 00:55:56.144 --> 00:55:58.855 align:center You can't just do that to a random person. 00:55:58.938 --> 00:56:02.442 align:center The plan's to, like, have them there, call the police. Get 'em nicked. 00:56:02.525 --> 00:56:03.610 align:center It was horrible. 00:56:03.693 --> 00:56:06.363 align:center It was like watching a mob. Like a mob attack. 00:56:06.446 --> 00:56:10.033 align:center You don't get to beat someone up. That's not law and order, is it? 00:56:10.116 --> 00:56:11.951 align:center How did it do on the stream? 00:56:12.535 --> 00:56:15.872 align:center Few thousand watching. 4.5K total. 00:56:15.955 --> 00:56:18.958 align:center So, what will happen? Will that sit up there, though? 00:56:19.042 --> 00:56:20.043 align:center No. I deleted it. 00:56:20.126 --> 00:56:22.921 align:center -Already? -Yeah. I didn't want that on the internet. 00:56:23.797 --> 00:56:26.174 align:center Excuse me, my friend. Wait here a second. 00:56:26.257 --> 00:56:28.301 align:center Despite what he'd told me, within seconds, 00:56:28.384 --> 00:56:31.846 align:center HS's online team had clipped up short snippets, 00:56:33.014 --> 00:56:35.141 align:center flooding them onto Instagram and TikTok, 00:56:35.225 --> 00:56:38.853 align:center emblazoned with the logo of an online gambling company. 00:56:39.395 --> 00:56:42.399 align:center All right, so we got Theroux and them right now coming to link us… 00:56:42.482 --> 00:56:44.150 align:center That night, the stream continued 00:56:44.234 --> 00:56:47.487 align:center with HS dropping game to random strangers at the port. 00:56:47.570 --> 00:56:50.073 align:center Okay, listen. You're both very pretty. Give me your Instagram. 00:56:50.156 --> 00:56:51.533 align:center -We'll do something. -Okay. 00:56:51.616 --> 00:56:53.535 align:center See you later, you German tarts. 00:56:54.160 --> 00:56:56.413 align:center But I was still thinking about the ugliness 00:56:56.496 --> 00:56:58.415 align:center of the so-called predator sting. 00:56:59.582 --> 00:57:00.625 align:center As the evening wore on, 00:57:00.708 --> 00:57:05.255 align:center I became aware of myself being pulled in and farmed for content. 00:57:05.338 --> 00:57:08.633 align:center All right, should I stick it on Louis? 00:57:08.716 --> 00:57:10.885 align:center There's some fuck shit I could say to him. 00:57:10.969 --> 00:57:12.595 align:center All right, look, watch this, boys. 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:14.931 align:center -You got anything to say to the live? -Not really. 00:57:15.014 --> 00:57:17.433 align:center Someone's saying you're good friends with Jimmy Savile. 00:57:17.517 --> 00:57:19.978 align:center -What have you got to say for yourself? -Jimmy Savile. 00:57:20.061 --> 00:57:22.272 align:center Well, I helped to expose him while he was alive. 00:57:22.355 --> 00:57:23.356 align:center Mm. 00:57:23.857 --> 00:57:26.901 align:center -They're saying you're friends. -He's dead. I can't be friends with him. 00:57:26.985 --> 00:57:28.319 align:center You used to have freak-offs. 00:57:28.403 --> 00:57:30.572 align:center Anyway, on that note, let's keep it steppin'. 00:57:30.655 --> 00:57:33.950 align:center It's time. HS vs Mr. Bean punch bag. 00:57:41.624 --> 00:57:44.836 align:center That's okay. 921. 922. 00:57:44.919 --> 00:57:47.005 align:center -Three! -Theroux, hit one. 00:57:47.088 --> 00:57:50.675 align:center Gay! Gay! 00:57:51.926 --> 00:57:53.261 align:center What the fuck? 00:57:53.344 --> 00:57:55.430 align:center Hey, Theroux, is that how you'd punch 00:57:55.513 --> 00:57:59.184 align:center if someone was coming into your house about to attack you and your family? 00:57:59.267 --> 00:58:01.769 align:center Someone clip that when I was chatting to Louis earlier. 00:58:01.853 --> 00:58:06.774 align:center He really don't wanna be in the live. He don't wanna be, uh, on the content. 00:58:07.525 --> 00:58:08.985 align:center But he's got no choice. 00:58:11.321 --> 00:58:13.698 align:center The Marbella trip felt like an education 00:58:13.781 --> 00:58:16.326 align:center in how the hamster wheel of content creation 00:58:16.409 --> 00:58:18.870 align:center was incentivizing extreme behavior. 00:58:18.953 --> 00:58:22.040 align:center -Have you anything to say to the live? -Not really, no. 00:58:22.123 --> 00:58:23.416 align:center Over subsequent days, 00:58:23.500 --> 00:58:27.337 align:center clippers paid by HS and orchestrated by him in a group chat, 00:58:27.420 --> 00:58:29.464 align:center pushed out clips from the livestream. 00:58:29.547 --> 00:58:31.966 align:center Someone's saying you're good friends with Jimmy Savile. 00:58:32.050 --> 00:58:33.509 align:center What have you got to say? 00:58:33.593 --> 00:58:38.097 align:center They were then shared across TikTok and Instagram. Several went viral. 00:58:38.181 --> 00:58:42.143 align:center Gay! What the fuck? 00:58:45.605 --> 00:58:47.774 align:center Egged on by the comments making fun of him 00:58:47.857 --> 00:58:51.945 align:center and his decision to be in my film, HS seemed to spiral. 00:58:52.028 --> 00:58:56.282 align:center Like, if you want to call me a… a… a pimp, 00:58:56.366 --> 00:59:01.412 align:center scammer, racist, homophobic dickhead, 00:59:02.038 --> 00:59:04.457 align:center I'm all of those. I'm all of those, Theroux. 00:59:04.540 --> 00:59:08.920 align:center And what? What are you gonna do about it, pussy hoe? Nothing. 00:59:09.003 --> 00:59:11.297 align:center He came across to me like a fighter, 00:59:11.381 --> 00:59:13.883 align:center talking himself up before a big bout. 00:59:13.967 --> 00:59:15.551 align:center I do not give a fuck. 00:59:16.844 --> 00:59:21.349 align:center We turn now to growing concerns around the proliferation of misogyny online. 00:59:21.432 --> 00:59:26.312 align:center Teachers are sounding the alarm over a resurgence of male supremacy in schools. 00:59:26.396 --> 00:59:27.939 align:center There's a number of examples 00:59:28.022 --> 00:59:29.274 align:center of manosphere culture 00:59:29.357 --> 00:59:32.235 align:center affecting interactions between boys and girls. 00:59:33.236 --> 00:59:35.780 align:center Much has been said about the effect of streamers 00:59:35.863 --> 00:59:37.532 align:center on their young fans. 00:59:38.032 --> 00:59:41.035 align:center It is this idea that there's only one way to be a man, 00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:44.956 align:center and that involves oppressing women, the right to their bodies. 00:59:46.040 --> 00:59:48.543 align:center But in my time in the manosphere, I'd become curious 00:59:48.626 --> 00:59:52.797 align:center about how the streamers grew up and what they shared from their childhood. 00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:54.841 align:center My dad beat the fuck out of me. 00:59:54.924 --> 00:59:58.720 align:center I became very realistic of the world with one ass-kicking. 00:59:58.803 --> 01:00:01.806 align:center All it takes is one good ass-kicking. You learn a lot. 01:00:05.852 --> 01:00:09.063 align:center It was striking how many were raised without dads. 01:00:09.606 --> 01:00:13.401 align:center HS, the anti-feminist, had told me how his mum, Elaine, 01:00:13.484 --> 01:00:16.112 align:center had worked six-day weeks, late into the evening 01:00:16.195 --> 01:00:18.615 align:center to put him through private school. 01:00:18.698 --> 01:00:22.535 align:center It was clear from photos shared online how devoted Elaine had always been. 01:00:23.328 --> 01:00:26.414 align:center How HS had felt at the time was hard to know. 01:00:27.081 --> 01:00:29.751 align:center His dad, an England international rugby player, 01:00:29.834 --> 01:00:31.419 align:center was not in the picture. 01:00:32.253 --> 01:00:35.340 align:center I'm a little bit anxious to go see him. I can't lie. Like… 01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.718 align:center It's a bit… I ain't seen him in so fucking long. 01:00:38.801 --> 01:00:41.554 align:center HS posted content online about it. 01:00:42.055 --> 01:00:43.431 align:center -Very nice. Hello. -Hello. 01:00:43.514 --> 01:00:45.391 align:center You weren't there for years. 01:00:45.475 --> 01:00:47.685 align:center You didn't reply for ten years. 01:00:47.769 --> 01:00:50.688 align:center I don't agree with what he did. Don't… don't get it twisted. 01:00:50.772 --> 01:00:53.149 align:center -But no hard feelings. -Mm-hmm. 01:00:53.232 --> 01:00:55.568 align:center We'd talked about it when we'd been together. 01:00:55.652 --> 01:00:59.280 align:center If there is any trauma there, what I will say is, it's subconscious. 01:00:59.364 --> 01:01:01.157 align:center It's not something that I'm aware of. 01:01:01.240 --> 01:01:03.534 align:center -Really? -Yeah, definitely. Definitely. 01:01:13.795 --> 01:01:15.463 align:center Across the board, I had the sense 01:01:15.546 --> 01:01:18.549 align:center that influencers still carrying the wounds of childhood, 01:01:18.633 --> 01:01:21.803 align:center who'd had to learn brutal strategies of self-reliance, 01:01:21.886 --> 01:01:24.847 align:center were projecting their trauma onto the wider world. 01:01:25.348 --> 01:01:28.726 align:center There was certainly, um, a broken home going on. 01:01:28.810 --> 01:01:32.605 align:center There was violence going on. There was violence with the mom. 01:01:34.065 --> 01:01:35.483 align:center Justin was another. 01:01:35.566 --> 01:01:39.612 align:center His accounts of being raised by a mother who he characterized as chaotic 01:01:39.696 --> 01:01:42.573 align:center were a well-established part of his origin story. 01:01:43.157 --> 01:01:45.743 align:center -What kind of house did you grow up in? -It was like this. 01:01:45.827 --> 01:01:47.620 align:center -Was it? -I used to play in this neighborhood. 01:01:47.703 --> 01:01:48.996 align:center -Did you? -Yeah. 01:01:49.914 --> 01:01:52.959 align:center I… I've read online, and I've seen you talk about 01:01:53.042 --> 01:01:56.462 align:center how you had not the best upbringing in some respects, right? 01:01:56.546 --> 01:01:57.547 align:center Yes, sir. 01:01:57.630 --> 01:02:00.550 align:center We were very close to being put in a foster home. 01:02:00.633 --> 01:02:02.760 align:center I mean, there was a lot of violence. 01:02:02.844 --> 01:02:07.098 align:center My mom, she would just come in sometimes and just start punching him. 01:02:07.181 --> 01:02:08.725 align:center It was true rage. 01:02:09.308 --> 01:02:11.769 align:center We're actually not far from where she burned those houses down. 01:02:12.353 --> 01:02:13.896 align:center How do you mean she burned houses down? 01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:16.899 align:center So, we had two house fires when I was a kid, in eighth grade. 01:02:16.983 --> 01:02:18.651 align:center -Uh… -What was her motive? 01:02:19.152 --> 01:02:21.112 align:center Insurance money so we could build a new one. 01:02:21.195 --> 01:02:22.196 align:center -Really? -Yeah. 01:02:22.280 --> 01:02:24.198 align:center -Did she admit to doing that? -No. 01:02:24.282 --> 01:02:25.366 align:center So, she denies that? 01:02:25.450 --> 01:02:28.327 align:center I've never heard my mother say "I'm sorry" in my life. Ever. 01:02:28.411 --> 01:02:31.289 align:center I've never heard my mother say she was wrong. 01:02:32.665 --> 01:02:35.251 align:center Justin's mother denies all of this. 01:02:35.334 --> 01:02:39.130 align:center In my research, I couldn't find any charges or claims against her. 01:02:40.506 --> 01:02:43.968 align:center But there was no question there was massive instability in the home, 01:02:44.051 --> 01:02:47.180 align:center with Justin's dad prevented from seeing the children. 01:02:49.432 --> 01:02:50.433 align:center I'd started to wonder 01:02:50.516 --> 01:02:55.480 align:center whether an insecure upbringing had created a distrust of traditional family life. 01:02:56.689 --> 01:03:00.735 align:center He'd told me several times about his one-way monogamous relationship. 01:03:00.818 --> 01:03:02.987 align:center It seemed possible it was related. 01:03:05.406 --> 01:03:09.577 align:center -Hi. I'm Louis. How do you do? -Hi. Nice to meet you. Good. Kristen. 01:03:09.660 --> 01:03:11.162 align:center Kristen. Thanks for having us. 01:03:11.245 --> 01:03:14.540 align:center He'd recently moved back to Baton Rouge with his family. 01:03:14.624 --> 01:03:18.628 align:center Previously, he hadn't wanted us to film with his other half, Kristen, 01:03:18.711 --> 01:03:20.755 align:center but now, he'd changed his mind. 01:03:20.838 --> 01:03:22.423 align:center -Wow. -Come on in! 01:03:22.507 --> 01:03:23.633 align:center This is amazing. 01:03:23.716 --> 01:03:28.346 align:center She is a former X-ray technician, a mother of two with another on the way. 01:03:28.429 --> 01:03:29.972 align:center -Like being in a castle. -Yeah. 01:03:30.890 --> 01:03:33.893 align:center Uh, would you be happy to take us around a little bit? 01:03:33.976 --> 01:03:35.520 align:center This is the gym. 01:03:36.729 --> 01:03:39.148 align:center -She'd be right there. -Eva, show them how you swing. 01:03:39.899 --> 01:03:41.400 align:center She has her own Lambo. 01:03:42.735 --> 01:03:46.447 align:center This is the girls' room. That's where bath time is every night. 01:03:46.531 --> 01:03:48.658 align:center Do you do the bath, Justin, or is that more… 01:03:48.741 --> 01:03:51.118 align:center I don't do baths, or diapers, or anything like that. 01:03:51.702 --> 01:03:54.747 align:center I like to tell people we have lanes. 01:03:55.248 --> 01:03:58.668 align:center My lane is changing diapers, cooking, and cleaning, 01:03:58.751 --> 01:04:02.296 align:center and his lane is working and providing. 01:04:02.380 --> 01:04:04.924 align:center We don't cross into each other's lane. 01:04:05.007 --> 01:04:06.384 align:center It works for us. 01:04:07.969 --> 01:04:11.013 align:center One of the things that came up early on in conversation with Justin 01:04:11.097 --> 01:04:13.391 align:center was this idea of one-way monogamy. 01:04:13.474 --> 01:04:17.186 align:center My previous relationship that I was in before him, 01:04:17.270 --> 01:04:19.063 align:center I was lied to a lot. 01:04:19.146 --> 01:04:23.526 align:center And so my biggest thing with him was like, honestly, I can take the truth. 01:04:24.402 --> 01:04:29.866 align:center I was very open to it, for, like, him and I to do it kind of together. 01:04:29.949 --> 01:04:32.410 align:center -Mm-hmm. In bedroom scenarios? -Yeah. 01:04:32.493 --> 01:04:33.828 align:center -Mm-hmm. -Yeah. 01:04:33.911 --> 01:04:38.332 align:center Look, if I take a girl on a date, one of the questions by the… 01:04:38.416 --> 01:04:42.461 align:center If it doesn't happen on the first one, it will happen on the second one. 01:04:42.962 --> 01:04:46.674 align:center "So, I heard you have a wife." "Yeah, what about it? She's hot." 01:04:46.757 --> 01:04:49.594 align:center And then, boom, I'll show her a picture of Kristen immediately 01:04:49.677 --> 01:04:51.596 align:center and go straight for the threesome. 01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:54.765 align:center I don't give a fuck. I'm not about to placate some girl. 01:04:54.849 --> 01:04:57.184 align:center -Slightly aggressive. -No, I'm just telling you. 01:04:57.268 --> 01:04:59.270 align:center -I don't think he's that aggressive. -What about it? 01:04:59.353 --> 01:05:01.480 align:center -What about it? Like, what's up? -What about it? 01:05:01.564 --> 01:05:04.609 align:center Do you have arranged nights 01:05:04.692 --> 01:05:07.111 align:center where you know Justin with… is with someone else? 01:05:07.194 --> 01:05:08.029 align:center No. 01:05:08.112 --> 01:05:10.740 align:center -Is it a "don't ask, don't tell" thing? -Kind of. 01:05:10.823 --> 01:05:12.658 align:center -You don't need to know. -I don't. 01:05:12.742 --> 01:05:15.703 align:center -You don't want the gory details. -What do I… And it's not even gory. 01:05:15.786 --> 01:05:17.622 align:center -I don't… -Sexy? 01:05:17.705 --> 01:05:20.583 align:center I think that most women… 01:05:21.417 --> 01:05:25.963 align:center I could be going out on a limb here. But I think most women like the idea 01:05:26.047 --> 01:05:30.676 align:center or like to know that their man is wanted by other women. 01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:32.887 align:center -Are you married, by the way? -Yeah. 01:05:32.970 --> 01:05:35.848 align:center Not… not… I didn't bring the state into it. 01:05:35.932 --> 01:05:38.809 align:center Why did you not get married in the eyes of the state? 01:05:38.893 --> 01:05:41.562 align:center -You think the financial side? -Yeah. 01:05:41.646 --> 01:05:44.482 align:center That doesn't… That seems more risky for you, maybe. 01:05:44.982 --> 01:05:49.195 align:center It does seem more risky for me, but I don't feel like I'm at risk. 01:05:49.278 --> 01:05:52.031 align:center But, Louis, let's say it ended right now. Let's say it ended tomorrow. 01:05:52.114 --> 01:05:53.741 align:center -What ended? Oh. -Me and you. 01:05:53.824 --> 01:05:57.370 align:center I would still look at it as successful. It's some of the best years of my life. 01:05:57.453 --> 01:06:00.957 align:center I have beautiful children, beautiful memories. 01:06:01.040 --> 01:06:04.543 align:center I'll see comments sometimes like, "He thinks money is everything, 01:06:04.627 --> 01:06:07.797 align:center but he'll never understand what it's like to have true happiness in a family 01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:10.633 align:center and have a woman truly love him for more than his money." 01:06:10.716 --> 01:06:12.051 align:center Bullshit, asshole. 01:06:12.551 --> 01:06:17.973 align:center I have it all. Truly, truly have it all. I couldn't be more lucky and more blessed. 01:06:22.687 --> 01:06:26.190 align:center In Miami, I'd wondered how real Justin's wealth was. 01:06:26.273 --> 01:06:28.651 align:center It was clear, if he wasn't worth $30 million, 01:06:28.734 --> 01:06:30.319 align:center he was far from hard up. 01:06:30.403 --> 01:06:32.863 align:center Come on, let's go show another room in the house. 01:06:32.947 --> 01:06:34.824 align:center Yeah, Mommy's room! 01:06:34.907 --> 01:06:36.575 align:center But for me, the real question was 01:06:36.659 --> 01:06:39.704 align:center Kristen's true feelings about the arrangement. 01:06:39.787 --> 01:06:43.833 align:center -Kristen, you were working, weren't you? -I was. I loved my job. 01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:48.045 align:center But I don't miss having to wake up at five o'clock in the morning 01:06:48.129 --> 01:06:50.965 align:center and put on scrubs and go to a hospital and clock in, 01:06:51.048 --> 01:06:54.760 align:center and, like, have to work for somebody else. 01:06:55.344 --> 01:07:02.226 align:center I feel so good in my femininity because of how masculine Justin is. 01:07:02.309 --> 01:07:04.270 align:center Like, I was saying, the lanes that we're in, 01:07:04.353 --> 01:07:07.273 align:center I just kinda feel like that's what works for us. 01:07:07.356 --> 01:07:10.026 align:center But I also, to my core, 01:07:10.109 --> 01:07:13.571 align:center believe that, like, that's… as human beings, like, 01:07:13.654 --> 01:07:17.283 align:center male and female, I just think that that's how it's supposed to be. 01:07:21.328 --> 01:07:24.373 align:center With their male-centered take on family life, 01:07:24.457 --> 01:07:28.210 align:center Kristen and Justin embodied a red-pill dream 01:07:28.294 --> 01:07:31.839 align:center founded on a Darwinian view of alpha supremacy. 01:07:43.768 --> 01:07:47.062 align:center An ideology that seemed to me to be rooted in trauma 01:07:47.146 --> 01:07:51.901 align:center was being rolled out as the basis of far-reaching social renewal… 01:07:52.568 --> 01:07:55.780 align:center Did an election that was supposed to revolve around women's issues 01:07:55.863 --> 01:07:58.115 align:center actually come down to the plight of men? 01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:01.535 align:center This was the testosterone podcast election. 01:08:01.619 --> 01:08:04.246 align:center I want to thank the Nelk Boys, Adin Ross, Theo Von. 01:08:04.330 --> 01:08:07.249 align:center …as manosphere talking points began to converge 01:08:07.333 --> 01:08:10.336 align:center with the mainstream of political conversation. 01:08:10.419 --> 01:08:12.379 align:center I'm close to the Trump family. I know them well, 01:08:12.463 --> 01:08:15.883 align:center and I look forward to, once I am free, being with Donald Trump in person 01:08:15.966 --> 01:08:18.177 align:center and reminding him that he's a bulletproof badass. 01:08:22.848 --> 01:08:25.851 align:center Since entering the manosphere, I'd been trying to get access 01:08:25.935 --> 01:08:29.522 align:center to one of the handful of men at the very forefront of this evolution. 01:08:29.605 --> 01:08:30.856 align:center They are trying to make you gay. 01:08:41.992 --> 01:08:45.913 align:center One of the most popular and notorious goes by the name Sneako. 01:08:45.996 --> 01:08:47.206 align:center Hey, that's me. 01:08:47.289 --> 01:08:49.625 align:center Real name, Nicolas Balinthazy. 01:08:49.708 --> 01:08:51.919 align:center We should not let women vote. I'm sorry. 01:08:52.002 --> 01:08:54.672 align:center He, more than anyone, embodies the red pill's impact 01:08:54.755 --> 01:08:56.924 align:center and its political awakening. 01:08:57.007 --> 01:09:00.344 align:center It took about ten years, but the people that follow their gut instincts 01:09:00.427 --> 01:09:02.638 align:center are now at the forefront of truth. 01:09:02.721 --> 01:09:04.807 align:center I have my good friends here on the show. 01:09:04.890 --> 01:09:07.351 align:center A friend of the Tates and Myron… 01:09:07.434 --> 01:09:09.353 align:center We're here, and we're not going anywhere. 01:09:09.436 --> 01:09:12.565 align:center …he was at Trump's inauguration and celebratory ball 01:09:12.648 --> 01:09:14.733 align:center and claims Barron watches his content. 01:09:14.817 --> 01:09:18.612 align:center -We will make America great again. -Yeah! 01:09:18.696 --> 01:09:20.948 align:center He's been banned from all major platforms 01:09:21.031 --> 01:09:23.033 align:center for hate speech and misinformation. 01:09:23.117 --> 01:09:28.163 align:center Bop! Shut the fuck up, bitch. Just one and done. Cry, over. 01:09:28.247 --> 01:09:29.707 align:center Back in the kitchen! 01:09:29.790 --> 01:09:33.127 align:center But still, his clips go viral, with views in the billions. 01:09:33.711 --> 01:09:35.588 align:center Holy shit, everyone. It's me. I'm here. 01:09:38.382 --> 01:09:39.633 align:center He lives in New York. 01:09:40.259 --> 01:09:43.596 align:center He turns down most mainstream media requests. 01:09:44.471 --> 01:09:46.974 align:center To my surprise, he agreed to meet me. 01:09:47.975 --> 01:09:49.059 align:center Hey. 01:09:49.143 --> 01:09:51.562 align:center -Hey. How are you? -Hello. We just got here. 01:09:51.645 --> 01:09:52.646 align:center -Louis. -Hi. Come in. 01:09:52.730 --> 01:09:55.107 align:center -How are you doing? Shoes off. -Good. 01:09:56.275 --> 01:09:58.944 align:center -This is your place? -Uh, yeah, one of 'em. 01:09:59.612 --> 01:10:02.615 align:center -So, I'm working on this video today. -Wow. 01:10:02.698 --> 01:10:06.076 align:center I literally just came from a protest. They were protesting Elon Musk 01:10:06.160 --> 01:10:07.328 align:center and calling Trump a fascist. 01:10:07.411 --> 01:10:08.662 align:center That was right at City Hall. 01:10:08.746 --> 01:10:11.749 align:center -You talk to people down there? -I do. But everyone there knows me. 01:10:11.832 --> 01:10:13.375 align:center So I have this… This is what I do. 01:10:13.459 --> 01:10:15.794 align:center For something like that, I don't go with security. 01:10:15.878 --> 01:10:18.088 align:center This is what I do. I just put this on. 01:10:18.172 --> 01:10:19.673 align:center And then I'm undercover. 01:10:19.757 --> 01:10:23.010 align:center I swear to you, if I went like this, it would've been hectic. 01:10:23.093 --> 01:10:26.972 align:center How would you position yourself politically, culturally at the moment? 01:10:27.056 --> 01:10:29.308 align:center I'm a huge Trump supporter. I have this stuff everywhere. 01:10:29.391 --> 01:10:30.976 align:center I just came back from the inauguration. 01:10:31.060 --> 01:10:33.145 align:center I've been a Trump supporter since 2015. 01:10:33.687 --> 01:10:37.107 align:center It sounds like… Are you even in the manosphere? Not really. 01:10:37.191 --> 01:10:38.943 align:center I guess so. I am. 01:10:39.026 --> 01:10:42.488 align:center I mean, I think that, uh… that kind of graduated. 01:10:42.571 --> 01:10:45.241 align:center A lot of people that were in that space are now in politics. 01:10:45.324 --> 01:10:48.744 align:center And everybody in the "manosphere" is just… They're… people online 01:10:48.827 --> 01:10:52.581 align:center who are trying to make a buck, you know, selling ideologies. 01:10:52.665 --> 01:10:54.708 align:center People have heard all the talking points already. 01:10:54.792 --> 01:10:56.961 align:center I think the world got really crazy for a long time. 01:10:57.044 --> 01:10:59.296 align:center But I think we're reaching a little more of a balance 01:10:59.380 --> 01:11:01.674 align:center in terms of, uh, what's truthful and what's not. 01:11:01.757 --> 01:11:04.677 align:center Even the gender ideology got super crazy the past couple years. 01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:08.514 align:center Now seeing that there's laws, like, "Okay, actually, no, there's two." 01:11:08.597 --> 01:11:09.932 align:center "There are only two genders." 01:11:10.015 --> 01:11:12.768 align:center Simple stuff like that, I think, was really important. 01:11:12.851 --> 01:11:15.020 align:center And I think I deserve… Me, Fresh&Fit, the Tates, 01:11:15.104 --> 01:11:18.732 align:center I think we deserve a lot of credit in re-instilling that. 01:11:21.485 --> 01:11:23.821 align:center We should get out there before it gets too dark. 01:11:23.904 --> 01:11:25.197 align:center Okay, you wanna go? 01:11:27.700 --> 01:11:32.538 align:center My streams became rage bait, became clips, became angriness. 01:11:32.621 --> 01:11:35.499 align:center And it was going viral, but it wasn't making people happy. 01:11:35.582 --> 01:11:39.086 align:center Sneako is now putting out daily short films on X, 01:11:39.169 --> 01:11:41.839 align:center one of the few platforms he wasn't banned on. 01:11:41.922 --> 01:11:43.048 align:center -Can I get a picture? -Sure. 01:11:44.174 --> 01:11:48.178 align:center But the flavor of his content had changed since he converted to Islam. 01:11:50.931 --> 01:11:54.435 align:center His gender politics now came in spiritual packaging. 01:11:55.936 --> 01:11:56.937 align:center Look at this. 01:11:57.604 --> 01:12:00.190 align:center You know, there's a hadith in Islam where it says, 01:12:00.274 --> 01:12:03.569 align:center "In the end times, women will dress as if they're clothed but be fully naked." 01:12:03.652 --> 01:12:06.071 align:center And so, you can see this is the way that women dress now. 01:12:06.155 --> 01:12:08.490 align:center The… the little skirts in the advertisements. 01:12:08.574 --> 01:12:11.994 align:center It's… it's everywhere. Your brain gets tuned into this. 01:12:12.077 --> 01:12:14.079 align:center Yo! 01:12:14.163 --> 01:12:15.831 align:center -Hey, what up? -Oh my God. 01:12:15.914 --> 01:12:16.915 align:center What's poppin'? 01:12:17.541 --> 01:12:19.335 align:center -What up? What up? -Yo! 01:12:19.418 --> 01:12:20.878 align:center -What's going on? -Sneako! 01:12:20.961 --> 01:12:22.921 align:center Watch out. Watch out. 01:12:23.005 --> 01:12:25.966 align:center Oh my God. 01:12:26.717 --> 01:12:28.635 align:center Can we get a picture? 01:12:28.719 --> 01:12:30.471 align:center Let's get a big group one. 01:12:30.554 --> 01:12:32.848 align:center -They're shooting a documentary now. -Dead-ass? 01:12:32.931 --> 01:12:35.517 align:center -Yeah. I think they don't like me. -Holy shit. 01:12:36.769 --> 01:12:38.979 align:center -This is mad funny. -Yeah, yeah. 01:12:39.063 --> 01:12:40.647 align:center Tell me about Sneako. 01:12:40.731 --> 01:12:42.858 align:center People heard the wrong things. 01:12:42.941 --> 01:12:46.487 align:center And, I think, generally, he's not that bad of a person, but… 01:12:46.570 --> 01:12:49.114 align:center -My guy. -You know, I heard him out. 01:12:49.198 --> 01:12:50.908 align:center -Appreciate that. -We're in the road. 01:12:50.991 --> 01:12:53.786 align:center -No one said he did anything wrong. -People online. People who… 01:12:53.869 --> 01:12:56.747 align:center -What's the perception online? -People think he's controversial. 01:12:56.830 --> 01:12:58.832 align:center -It's usually about gender. -Yeah. 01:12:58.916 --> 01:13:01.126 align:center I feel like it's controven-- 01:13:01.210 --> 01:13:04.421 align:center -And… and… the Jews. The Jews. -I love Jews. 01:13:04.505 --> 01:13:07.841 align:center Yeah, nah, some people are saying he, like… he hates them. 01:13:07.925 --> 01:13:09.134 align:center Nah, nah, that's not true. 01:13:09.218 --> 01:13:12.429 align:center -Where have you seen his content? -TikTok, YouTube, Instagram. 01:13:12.513 --> 01:13:13.639 align:center He's banned. 01:13:13.722 --> 01:13:15.432 align:center On every one of those, I'm banned. 01:13:15.516 --> 01:13:17.976 align:center -But he's on all of them. -There's clips. 01:13:18.060 --> 01:13:21.146 align:center Be safe out here. Don't get hit by a car. Appreciate you guys. Man, stay up. 01:13:21.230 --> 01:13:22.314 align:center Stay up. 01:13:22.398 --> 01:13:24.525 align:center -See you, Sneako! -See you, Sneako! 01:13:26.026 --> 01:13:28.195 align:center Maybe I'll grab a coffee in here in this deli. 01:13:30.989 --> 01:13:33.158 align:center Can I have a small coffee, light and sweet? 01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:35.160 align:center Thank you. 01:13:36.078 --> 01:13:38.414 align:center Look at that. Is that degenerate or artistic? 01:13:38.497 --> 01:13:41.333 align:center You see the one-eye symbolism? This is satanic symbolism right here. 01:13:41.416 --> 01:13:42.584 align:center -Do you think so? -Oh, it is. 01:13:42.668 --> 01:13:44.753 align:center When you cover one eye, this is what Dajjal looks like. 01:13:44.837 --> 01:13:46.547 align:center The Antichrist is gonna show up with one eye. 01:13:46.630 --> 01:13:48.924 align:center -So when you see celebrities-- -Come on, stop it. 01:13:49.007 --> 01:13:51.009 align:center How many magazine covers have one-eye symbolism? 01:13:51.093 --> 01:13:52.594 align:center Every celebrity does it. They all do. 01:13:52.678 --> 01:13:55.139 align:center You've only got two eyes. You can do two, one, or none. 01:13:55.222 --> 01:13:56.807 align:center But why is it every magazine cover 01:13:56.890 --> 01:13:59.726 align:center you see a celebrity doing this pose exactly, covering one eye? 01:13:59.810 --> 01:14:01.562 align:center -Are you for real? -I am for real. 01:14:01.645 --> 01:14:03.897 align:center -Who do you think's behind it? -The Satanists. 01:14:03.981 --> 01:14:05.649 align:center They're pledging allegiance to Satan. 01:14:05.732 --> 01:14:07.484 align:center Do you think Satanists are running the world? 01:14:07.568 --> 01:14:08.694 align:center Absolutely. 01:14:08.777 --> 01:14:11.238 align:center Do you? Okay, now we've got something weird. 01:14:11.321 --> 01:14:13.282 align:center -Yeah. You don't think so? -No. 01:14:13.365 --> 01:14:15.742 align:center A great example is every award show. 01:14:15.826 --> 01:14:19.204 align:center You know Sam Smith? He's a British guy. He used to look like you. 01:14:19.288 --> 01:14:22.458 align:center Then suddenly, he became extremely fat. He became transgender. 01:14:22.541 --> 01:14:24.626 align:center Then now his award shows are not just spreading LGBT. 01:14:24.710 --> 01:14:29.256 align:center He's straight-up worshiping the devil. It's not even subtle. The music is saying… 01:14:29.339 --> 01:14:30.716 align:center Something unholy 01:14:30.799 --> 01:14:32.342 align:center And then the way he performs it, 01:14:32.426 --> 01:14:35.179 align:center he puts on the devil horns with 30 devils onstage, 01:14:35.262 --> 01:14:37.931 align:center and they're simulating having gay sex at the award show. 01:14:38.015 --> 01:14:41.310 align:center Is this just, like, art? Or is it part of something bigger? 01:14:41.393 --> 01:14:43.478 align:center Are they trying to spread a message to the populace? 01:14:43.562 --> 01:14:46.148 align:center So you think there's someone above Sam Smith and his team… 01:14:46.231 --> 01:14:47.566 align:center -Yeah. -Who's basically-- 01:14:47.649 --> 01:14:50.319 align:center Telling him to do that and steering him in that direction? Absolutely. 01:14:50.402 --> 01:14:51.403 align:center I strongly doubt it. 01:14:51.487 --> 01:14:54.364 align:center The idea that there's a Satanist cabal who are somehow running-- 01:14:54.448 --> 01:14:57.951 align:center There is. And they want to establish a one-world government. 01:14:58.035 --> 01:14:59.203 align:center And who's in it? 01:14:59.286 --> 01:15:01.246 align:center Who's in the government? It doesn't really-- 01:15:01.330 --> 01:15:03.123 align:center Who's in the Satanist cabal? 01:15:03.207 --> 01:15:05.501 align:center I mean, I don't know. I think the Rothschilds started it. 01:15:05.584 --> 01:15:07.419 align:center Is it Jewish in character? 01:15:07.503 --> 01:15:08.921 align:center No. No. 01:15:09.004 --> 01:15:10.923 align:center 'Cause that does have some of the hallmarks 01:15:11.006 --> 01:15:13.133 align:center of an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. 01:15:13.217 --> 01:15:17.095 align:center I also think that when you talk about the world being run by Satanists, 01:15:17.179 --> 01:15:19.056 align:center you've just gone off the deep end. 01:15:19.139 --> 01:15:21.767 align:center The world isn't run by Sam Smith. 01:15:21.850 --> 01:15:24.895 align:center No, but evil people that control him do. 01:15:35.822 --> 01:15:38.408 align:center Sneako had disavowed the red pill 01:15:38.492 --> 01:15:41.078 align:center but leaned further into conspiracy theories. 01:15:41.662 --> 01:15:42.663 align:center Nice. 01:15:43.372 --> 01:15:47.209 align:center It was part of a pattern across the world of influencers. 01:15:47.292 --> 01:15:50.295 align:center I mean, let's just look at the nature of the Jew. 01:15:50.379 --> 01:15:53.340 align:center To push false narratives about a shadowy cabal 01:15:53.423 --> 01:15:56.009 align:center who is plotting the social downfall of the West 01:15:56.093 --> 01:15:58.095 align:center by promoting degeneracy, 01:15:58.178 --> 01:16:01.848 align:center often with an explicitly anti-Semitic flavor. 01:16:01.932 --> 01:16:06.812 align:center Who pushed feminism? The fucking Jews. Who pushed homosexuality? The Jews. 01:16:06.895 --> 01:16:08.897 align:center These are conversations they don't want you to hear. 01:16:08.981 --> 01:16:13.277 align:center It felt like, for some, the talk of the matrix ended up here. 01:16:13.360 --> 01:16:16.613 align:center I feel like the people who run the world don't have our best intentions. 01:16:16.697 --> 01:16:19.908 align:center I'd heard similar ideas from Ed in Marbella. 01:16:19.992 --> 01:16:23.203 align:center They use vibrations that are gonna negatively bring you down. 01:16:23.287 --> 01:16:25.497 align:center And who do you think controls all of that? 01:16:27.624 --> 01:16:28.792 align:center The Jews. 01:16:29.626 --> 01:16:31.670 align:center I'm gonna strongly disagree about that. 01:16:32.254 --> 01:16:34.006 align:center And Myron in Florida. 01:16:34.506 --> 01:16:37.801 align:center Do you feel like it's become fashionable to blame Jews for things 01:16:37.884 --> 01:16:39.970 align:center in the red-pill community? 01:16:40.470 --> 01:16:41.513 align:center Well… 01:16:42.764 --> 01:16:44.850 align:center -Can I get a drink of water then answer? -Sure. 01:16:44.933 --> 01:16:46.852 align:center All right. I'll be right back. 01:16:47.769 --> 01:16:49.313 align:center Sorry about that. Okay. 01:16:50.272 --> 01:16:53.108 align:center So… I think a big reason 01:16:53.191 --> 01:16:55.152 align:center why so many people are talking about it now 01:16:55.235 --> 01:16:58.155 align:center is because it's a topic that's been censored for decades. 01:16:58.238 --> 01:17:00.824 align:center It was one of the topics that would get you banned immediately 01:17:00.907 --> 01:17:02.409 align:center on any mainstream platform. 01:17:02.492 --> 01:17:05.912 align:center Fuck the Jews! Fuck the Jews! Fuck the Jews! 01:17:05.996 --> 01:17:07.789 align:center Another was HS. 01:17:07.873 --> 01:17:11.793 align:center Theroux's just sat there with his Jew fingers, like, "Yes." 01:17:11.877 --> 01:17:14.463 align:center Seemingly leaping onto a bandwagon of hate. 01:17:14.546 --> 01:17:15.839 align:center What are you saying, bro? 01:17:15.922 --> 01:17:18.967 align:center Because he knew it was so shocking, it would be clippable. 01:17:19.051 --> 01:17:20.552 align:center Nice to meet you. 01:17:20.635 --> 01:17:23.138 align:center It almost felt like an inflationary spiral 01:17:23.221 --> 01:17:24.765 align:center of racism and bigotry 01:17:24.848 --> 01:17:28.852 align:center in order to get people's attention, and that this could quickly escalate. 01:17:28.935 --> 01:17:31.021 align:center Where you at? Where you at, pussy ho? 01:17:31.104 --> 01:17:32.230 align:center Where you at, pussy? 01:17:32.314 --> 01:17:34.483 align:center Stranger still, it seemed to me 01:17:34.566 --> 01:17:37.903 align:center that it was all with the aim of selling products to teenagers. 01:17:37.986 --> 01:17:40.280 align:center Son of a bitch! Come on, bitch! Are you dumb? 01:17:50.374 --> 01:17:54.461 align:center I'd once taken £500 and joined HS's investment group, 01:17:54.544 --> 01:17:56.380 align:center making trades with its advice, 01:17:56.463 --> 01:17:59.633 align:center hoping to join the ranks of those who'd levelled up. 01:17:59.716 --> 01:18:03.470 align:center With its help, after two months, my money was mostly gone. 01:18:05.847 --> 01:18:09.351 align:center But it was less about the money than how it seemed symptomatic 01:18:09.434 --> 01:18:11.812 align:center of a world where nothing was quite as advertised. 01:18:11.895 --> 01:18:18.443 align:center The romance, the confidence, the wealth were all either illusory or out of reach. 01:18:18.527 --> 01:18:23.031 align:center And the anger seemed a compensation for the fear of being exposed. 01:18:23.949 --> 01:18:26.368 align:center Theroux come in, yeah, trying to give it all large, 01:18:26.451 --> 01:18:27.911 align:center trying to chat all this shit. 01:18:27.994 --> 01:18:31.081 align:center So, what if Louis comes out and wants to chat crap? I don't care. 01:18:31.915 --> 01:18:37.921 align:center If you wanna call me a pimp, scammer, racist, homophobic dickhead, 01:18:38.004 --> 01:18:39.673 align:center I'm all of those, Theroux. 01:18:40.257 --> 01:18:42.759 align:center I didn't even know who you were before this documentary, 01:18:42.843 --> 01:18:45.595 align:center and I won't know who you are after. I do not give a fuck. 01:18:47.389 --> 01:18:51.977 align:center HS was now more visible than ever, his social media following up, 01:18:52.060 --> 01:18:55.105 align:center mainstream papers and TV shows taking notice. 01:18:55.188 --> 01:18:56.857 align:center The digital world he inhabited meant 01:18:56.940 --> 01:19:00.193 align:center that instead of being cancelled, he was riding high. 01:19:04.865 --> 01:19:07.701 align:center And so I'd decided to see him one last time, 01:19:07.784 --> 01:19:11.538 align:center hoping to level with him about the troubling attitudes he promoted. 01:19:11.621 --> 01:19:12.873 align:center Oh my goodness. 01:19:13.457 --> 01:19:14.624 align:center Hi! 01:19:15.125 --> 01:19:16.710 align:center -You must be Elaine. -I am Elaine. 01:19:16.793 --> 01:19:18.003 align:center -You must be Louis. -I am. 01:19:18.086 --> 01:19:20.964 align:center He was in Marbella, still on the run from his car crash case 01:19:21.047 --> 01:19:23.300 align:center and being visited by his mum, Elaine. 01:19:23.383 --> 01:19:25.385 align:center -Thanks for doing this. -You're welcome. 01:19:25.469 --> 01:19:26.344 align:center There's Sam. 01:19:27.387 --> 01:19:31.057 align:center As soon as I arrived, I sensed a slightly weird vibe. 01:19:31.641 --> 01:19:33.685 align:center Are you a fan of HS's content? 01:19:33.769 --> 01:19:35.937 align:center Well, I don't think of him as HS. 01:19:36.021 --> 01:19:37.481 align:center -He's Harrison. -Mm. 01:19:37.564 --> 01:19:39.900 align:center If anyone went through and said that they agreed 01:19:39.983 --> 01:19:42.652 align:center with absolutely everything their child did and said, 01:19:42.736 --> 01:19:44.404 align:center then they'd be telling an untruth. 01:19:44.488 --> 01:19:46.573 align:center So, of course, there's things I don't agree with. 01:19:46.656 --> 01:19:48.450 align:center And he knows that. 01:19:48.533 --> 01:19:50.702 align:center You've talked about traditional gender roles 01:19:50.786 --> 01:19:55.707 align:center and actually thinking that, in general, men should order women around, right? 01:19:55.791 --> 01:19:59.628 align:center "Men should order women around"? I think that's a bit of an extreme. 01:19:59.711 --> 01:20:03.131 align:center You have said that you thought that it'd be better to marry a virgin. 01:20:03.882 --> 01:20:05.550 align:center Yeah, I've… Ideally. 01:20:06.218 --> 01:20:08.845 align:center Why do I want a ting that's been run through? 01:20:09.387 --> 01:20:12.140 align:center That type of thing, the way women are stereotyped 01:20:12.224 --> 01:20:16.186 align:center if they have multiple partners to the way that men are, 01:20:16.269 --> 01:20:19.189 align:center I find it… extraordinary. 01:20:19.272 --> 01:20:22.859 align:center But it's been like that since the beginning of time. And sadly-- 01:20:22.943 --> 01:20:26.696 align:center -We should push back on that. -Well, yes, but… 01:20:26.780 --> 01:20:28.573 align:center -He's shaking his head. -No. 01:20:28.657 --> 01:20:31.243 align:center Most women in the world are not like my mum. 01:20:31.326 --> 01:20:33.912 align:center Most are thick. Most. 01:20:33.995 --> 01:20:35.956 align:center -Most women? -Most-- 01:20:36.039 --> 01:20:37.749 align:center Sorry. In the handful that you've met? 01:20:37.833 --> 01:20:42.212 align:center You're not talking to women of my age. You're talking to… 01:20:42.295 --> 01:20:44.548 align:center About 30. 01:20:46.174 --> 01:20:48.760 align:center What struck me in the last week or so, 01:20:48.844 --> 01:20:50.554 align:center I've seen clips of HS saying, 01:20:50.637 --> 01:20:55.976 align:center "Call me racist, call me misogynist, call me homophobic, call me a scammer." 01:20:56.059 --> 01:20:57.727 align:center "I'm all those things." 01:20:57.811 --> 01:20:59.980 align:center Yeah, that's my way of saying I don't care. 01:21:00.063 --> 01:21:02.482 align:center -Do you feel you are those things? -No. 01:21:02.566 --> 01:21:04.568 align:center -I think you're homophobic. -I'm not homophobic. 01:21:04.651 --> 01:21:05.986 align:center -He's not. -I have a gay mate. 01:21:06.069 --> 01:21:09.030 align:center But you said that if you had a son, and he was gay, you'd disown him. 01:21:11.533 --> 01:21:12.742 align:center That's not homophobic. 01:21:12.826 --> 01:21:16.621 align:center The other thing was some of the anti-Semitic things you were saying. 01:21:17.664 --> 01:21:19.040 align:center He's Jewish. 01:21:19.541 --> 01:21:21.626 align:center Have I said in a clip, "Fuck the Jews"? Yes. 01:21:22.252 --> 01:21:24.963 align:center Does that mean I'm anti-Semitic? No. I'm clip-farming. 01:21:25.046 --> 01:21:27.132 align:center Kids watch this stuff, don't they? 01:21:27.215 --> 01:21:29.509 align:center So they look up to you like you're their superhero. 01:21:29.593 --> 01:21:31.428 align:center They hear that. They think it's acceptable. 01:21:31.511 --> 01:21:33.555 align:center That's the parents' fault. That's not my fault. 01:21:33.638 --> 01:21:36.016 align:center I don't need to censor myself. I'll say what I want. 01:21:36.099 --> 01:21:38.602 align:center I've had 13-year-olds come up to me, and I'm like, 01:21:38.685 --> 01:21:42.022 align:center "Mate, why are you watching my stuff? You're too young to watch my stuff." 01:21:42.105 --> 01:21:45.400 align:center 13-year-olds, 14, 15 is probably, like, your main demographic. 01:21:45.483 --> 01:21:46.985 align:center No, it isn't. 01:21:48.528 --> 01:21:51.114 align:center This character over here is the one I'm worried about. 01:21:51.197 --> 01:21:52.490 align:center So sinister. 01:21:52.574 --> 01:21:55.285 align:center -Yeah. We've all got the cameras out. -Jeez. 01:21:55.911 --> 01:21:59.164 align:center As we spoke, I was increasingly aware of Sam's filming, 01:21:59.247 --> 01:22:02.042 align:center and that HS was probably streaming to a live audience. 01:22:02.125 --> 01:22:03.293 align:center Now I was… 01:22:03.376 --> 01:22:04.544 align:center Zoom in. 01:22:04.628 --> 01:22:05.712 align:center Can you zoom in a bit? 01:22:05.795 --> 01:22:08.256 align:center Performing provocations for the chat. 01:22:09.174 --> 01:22:12.177 align:center For you, the only metric is making money. It doesn't really-- 01:22:12.260 --> 01:22:14.471 align:center Making money, being healthy, being happy. 01:22:16.014 --> 01:22:20.226 align:center If I wasn't doing social media, I'd be up the city, playing that game. 01:22:20.310 --> 01:22:23.647 align:center Now, I'm playing the game of life, and I'm playing it very well. 01:22:23.730 --> 01:22:26.858 align:center Do you believe in doing the right thing for its own sake? 01:22:26.942 --> 01:22:29.527 align:center Obviously, you've got a couple of criminal cases, right? 01:22:29.611 --> 01:22:32.697 align:center Oh, look, this is the twat shit that you start saying, bro. 01:22:32.781 --> 01:22:36.034 align:center Honestly, this is the stuff that pisses me off. 01:22:37.035 --> 01:22:38.328 align:center Why do you need to go there? 01:22:38.411 --> 01:22:41.331 align:center He's not gonna talk about any issues with the law. 01:22:41.414 --> 01:22:42.874 align:center I'm talking about what's reported. 01:22:42.958 --> 01:22:45.794 align:center -You don't have to say anything. -You're such a little twat, mate. 01:22:45.877 --> 01:22:49.839 align:center You've done it just to get a reaction, so please don't, or else it will end. 01:22:49.923 --> 01:22:51.841 align:center If you don't agree with what Harrison's doing, 01:22:51.925 --> 01:22:55.387 align:center then why are you making money off of it on a program by publicizing it? 01:22:55.470 --> 01:22:58.056 align:center You're doing it because you think he's a controversial character, 01:22:58.139 --> 01:22:59.599 align:center so you're making money off it. 01:22:59.683 --> 01:23:02.018 align:center And that's why… that's all your programs are. 01:23:02.102 --> 01:23:05.355 align:center -Even with your mate Jimmy Savile. -What you choose to cut-- Yeah. 01:23:05.438 --> 01:23:07.816 align:center -Even with your good mate Jimmy Savile. -Come on. 01:23:08.983 --> 01:23:10.568 align:center Theroux cooked. 01:23:10.652 --> 01:23:13.655 align:center I get Jimmy Savile energy from some of the manosphere figures. 01:23:13.738 --> 01:23:15.281 align:center Jimmy Savile used to refer to women… 01:23:15.365 --> 01:23:18.952 align:center HS seemed to have changed tactics to put me on the back foot. 01:23:19.494 --> 01:23:20.870 align:center -A question? -Absolutely. 01:23:20.954 --> 01:23:22.914 align:center Are Israel committing genocide? 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:27.001 align:center You're a puppet. You can't say what you want. 01:23:27.085 --> 01:23:28.920 align:center -I wanna think about-- -You're a puppet. 01:23:29.004 --> 01:23:29.963 align:center In my opinion-- 01:23:30.046 --> 01:23:32.424 align:center You're a puppet the same way you are for Savile. Puppet. 01:23:32.507 --> 01:23:34.092 align:center Are you livestreaming at the moment? 01:23:34.175 --> 01:23:36.219 align:center No, we're filming for a YouTube video. 01:23:36.302 --> 01:23:37.470 align:center I think you're livestreaming. 01:23:37.554 --> 01:23:39.222 align:center With me, I don't have to edit. 01:23:39.305 --> 01:23:41.391 align:center I don't do this bullshit editing that you do, 01:23:41.474 --> 01:23:43.143 align:center where this wouldn't be in the show. 01:23:43.226 --> 01:23:46.396 align:center 'Cause I'm real. I'm raw. I'm not a puppet. I'm not controlled. 01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:47.564 align:center No one's my daddy. 01:23:47.647 --> 01:23:49.691 align:center Savile's your daddy. The Jews are your daddy. 01:23:49.774 --> 01:23:51.860 align:center You know it. I don't give a fuck. 01:23:53.111 --> 01:23:57.574 align:center This is why I say what I believe, and I don't need to edit anything, ever. 01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:01.286 align:center Ever. Nothing with me needs to be edited out. 01:24:01.369 --> 01:24:04.622 align:center Put what you want about me on the net, I don't give a toss. 01:24:08.626 --> 01:24:14.340 align:center HS's declaration to his camera and his live audience was, I realized, 01:24:14.424 --> 01:24:16.092 align:center his grand finale. 01:24:18.678 --> 01:24:20.722 align:center Are you a fan of HS's content? 01:24:20.805 --> 01:24:22.849 align:center Well, I don't think of him as HS. 01:24:22.932 --> 01:24:26.061 align:center Within minutes, content from the stream had gone viral. 01:24:26.144 --> 01:24:29.147 align:center Look, this is the twat shit that you start saying, bro. 01:24:29.230 --> 01:24:31.066 align:center Edited by HS's clippers 01:24:31.149 --> 01:24:34.068 align:center into short snippets with clickbait headlines. 01:24:34.152 --> 01:24:36.529 align:center You're a puppet. You can't say what you want to say. 01:24:36.613 --> 01:24:38.406 align:center -I wanna think about-- -You're a puppet. 01:24:38.490 --> 01:24:42.035 align:center Louis is owned by the fucking Jews! 01:24:43.578 --> 01:24:46.039 align:center Later, I caught up with the whole stream. 01:24:46.623 --> 01:24:48.958 align:center -We're live. -We're live, yeah? 01:24:49.042 --> 01:24:51.169 align:center All right, good. All right, let's show him. 01:24:51.252 --> 01:24:52.962 align:center Five minutes till Theroux's here. 01:24:53.046 --> 01:24:56.633 align:center On Sam's camera, it unfolded very differently. 01:24:56.716 --> 01:24:58.885 align:center Even with your good mate Jimmy Savile, mate. 01:24:58.968 --> 01:25:01.679 align:center -Theroux cooked. -I get Jimmy Savile energy… 01:25:01.763 --> 01:25:05.308 align:center The anonymous commenters marionetting HS's performance 01:25:05.391 --> 01:25:06.684 align:center as they fed him questions. 01:25:08.228 --> 01:25:10.980 align:center Can I ask you a question? Are Israel committing genocide? 01:25:11.064 --> 01:25:13.316 align:center Of all the material, what I was most struck by 01:25:13.399 --> 01:25:16.277 align:center were the moments with HS's mum before the interview. 01:25:16.361 --> 01:25:19.072 align:center -It's just what I like. -That juice bar you get the things from. 01:25:19.155 --> 01:25:21.116 align:center -They'll have ginger. -I don't want a juice. 01:25:21.199 --> 01:25:22.909 align:center You don't have to have juice. 01:25:22.992 --> 01:25:25.161 align:center Mummy, I don't want a juice bar. All right? 01:25:25.245 --> 01:25:28.623 align:center Don't embarrass me. Don't be rude. That's not the way I've brought you up. 01:25:28.706 --> 01:25:30.166 align:center -Do not be rude. -I won't be. 01:25:30.250 --> 01:25:32.794 align:center -'Cause it's a reflection on me. -All right, I won't be. 01:25:33.419 --> 01:25:36.214 align:center They had an unlikely domestic flavor. 01:25:36.297 --> 01:25:38.675 align:center -Done. -Can you get… Look at this! 01:25:38.758 --> 01:25:41.219 align:center I'm not having them come in here… Look. Get out of the way. 01:25:43.638 --> 01:25:45.974 align:center Hello, YouTube. 01:25:46.057 --> 01:25:51.146 align:center I'm going to do chubby bunnies with marshmallows. 01:25:52.105 --> 01:25:56.192 align:center Put one marshmallow in your mouth, and then you say, "Chubby bunny." 01:25:56.276 --> 01:25:59.362 align:center It's tempting to see the extreme male influencers 01:25:59.445 --> 01:26:03.825 align:center as adversaries spewing hate, and in some ways, they are. 01:26:04.951 --> 01:26:06.244 align:center I wanted to be a doctor. 01:26:06.327 --> 01:26:08.496 align:center That's what my Filipino grandparents said I wanted to be. 01:26:08.580 --> 01:26:09.914 align:center One of the few stereotypes… 01:26:09.998 --> 01:26:12.542 align:center But they are also products of a culture, 01:26:12.625 --> 01:26:16.546 align:center growing up online in a world that's changing at dizzying speed 01:26:16.629 --> 01:26:18.673 align:center with narrowing opportunities, 01:26:18.756 --> 01:26:22.468 align:center where the old entitlements of manhood have been challenged. 01:26:24.721 --> 01:26:28.057 align:center It is perhaps not surprising that some have sought the comfort 01:26:28.141 --> 01:26:31.936 align:center of a simplified world of gain hacks and conspiracy theories. 01:26:34.606 --> 01:26:36.941 align:center It struck me that the matrix they rail against 01:26:37.025 --> 01:26:39.861 align:center more accurately describes the algorithmic prison 01:26:39.944 --> 01:26:42.405 align:center they've created for their followers. 01:26:43.406 --> 01:26:45.867 align:center An illusion of endless wealth and power 01:26:45.950 --> 01:26:49.245 align:center that actually only enriches a few at the top. 01:26:58.338 --> 01:27:00.423 align:center USA! USA! USA! 01:27:00.506 --> 01:27:01.674 align:center With their ascendancy, 01:27:01.758 --> 01:27:05.094 align:center we are in a world where the fringe is no longer fringe. 01:27:05.178 --> 01:27:09.724 align:center We kept a female president from taking power. Let's go! 01:27:09.807 --> 01:27:13.311 align:center Where we are all increasingly inside the manosphere. 01:27:13.394 --> 01:27:14.854 align:center I'll take it, mate. 01:27:14.938 --> 01:27:17.732 align:center And it's up to us how we get out. 01:27:17.815 --> 01:27:19.067 align:center -Nice to meet you. -Thank you. 01:27:19.150 --> 01:27:20.360 align:center Have a good time. See you. 01:27:29.744 --> 01:27:33.331 align:center A TikTok influencer who spent nearly a year on the run 01:27:33.414 --> 01:27:34.832 align:center has been spared jail 01:27:34.916 --> 01:27:38.544 align:center after receiving a one-year suspended custodial sentence. 01:27:38.628 --> 01:27:42.382 align:center That's for dangerous driving and also driving without insurance. 01:27:42.465 --> 01:27:46.302 align:center He's known as HSTikkyTokky. 01:27:53.184 --> 01:27:55.770 align:center This shit is on me, bro. Like, it's not on her whatsoever. 01:27:55.853 --> 01:27:59.357 align:center We haven't been together for a minute, and she wants a family. 01:28:00.233 --> 01:28:01.526 align:center And I can't give that to her now. 01:28:09.867 --> 01:28:11.911 align:center This is my first video back on YouTube. 01:28:11.995 --> 01:28:13.079 align:center I did it. 01:28:13.955 --> 01:28:15.707 align:center I don't know. Should I post this? 01:28:18.376 --> 01:28:19.419 align:center Ready? know. Should I post this?