1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,400 [mournful choir music playing] 2 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,240 [buzzer sounds] 3 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,480 [busy chatter] 4 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:44,560 Oh. 5 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:49,640 [button beeps] 6 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:52,520 [man] Do you work here? 7 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,440 -Um, I'm a visitor. -[man] Right. 8 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,200 Right. Do you wanna just come through for a second? 9 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,160 [Briony] Sorry. I'm a bit late. 10 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,040 That's all right. I saw you coming up on the cameras. 11 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,560 He's being brought down. 12 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,320 Um, I heard he was involved in a violent incident. 13 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,240 -[clicks tongue] How'd you hear that? -It was reported up. 14 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:20,320 -That would be useful to see-- -Is that… relevant? 15 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,960 To what you'll assess? 16 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:24,480 I'd like to see it. 17 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,440 Okay. I'll, uh, fire up the megaport. 18 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,520 Yeah, he's been pretty quiet. 19 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,480 Don't know if that's relevant. 20 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,640 If what I think and observe is relevant to what you assess. 21 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,520 -[machine beeps] -[man] Here we go. 22 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,000 -Yeah. It's just bruising and scratching. -[Briony] I read the report. 23 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,560 -[man] Both blame the other. -[Briony] I know. I read the report. 24 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,040 You're on… five visits? 25 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,080 -Yes. -[man] Mm. 26 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:11,960 Know what you're gonna say in the report? 27 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,360 I wouldn't be here if I knew that. 28 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,080 Well, the other one of you. He only needed three, so-- 29 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,400 You can't say any more. 30 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,240 It's important I don't know what the other psychologist says, 31 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:23,720 does, or thinks. 32 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,440 It's about making the right assessment, not the fastest. 33 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,640 -[man] Sorry. I'm just being an idiot. -No, I did… That's just the way I work. 34 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,520 Right. That's Jamie in place. 35 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:43,760 I'll take you through. 36 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,280 I need to get a hot chocolate from the machine. 37 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:48,560 [man] I remember. 38 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,680 [machine whirring] 39 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,040 [boy screaming in distance] 40 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:33,480 Get off me! 41 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,520 No! You get off! 42 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,680 Yeah, we've got a torture lab in the basement. 43 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,440 Government approved. All very hush-hush. 44 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,040 What are they? 45 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,440 [Briony] He likes his hot chocolate with marshmallows on. 46 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,520 You must mean business. Never done them before. 47 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,480 -[alarm blaring] -That was, uh, Mark, I think. 48 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,560 Radiator burns all over him, poor kid. 49 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,040 I don't know what he did to get here, though. 50 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,240 He's not famous like your Jamie. 51 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,520 -Come on! -Two of us on the way now. 52 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,360 Right. You know where I am. 53 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,680 -You okay? -[Briony] Yes. 54 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,240 -Hi, Jamie. -[Jamie] Hi. 55 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,240 -You need us, we're here. -[Briony] Yes. 56 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,160 -Same goes for you, Jamie. -[Jamie] Yeah. 57 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,920 [guard] We'll be watching, okay? 58 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,840 -[door closes] -[Jamie sniffles] 59 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,200 Hot chocolate. 60 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:36,720 Spri… Sprinkles? 61 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:37,920 Lots of them. 62 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:41,280 You remembered. Thank you. 63 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,960 And I saved you half my sandwich in case you were hungry. 64 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,040 What is it? 65 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,000 [Briony] Cheese and pickle. 66 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,360 No tomatoes? 67 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,600 [Briony] Tomatoes don't go very well with pickle. 68 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:54,240 No salad? 69 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:56,480 Would I do that to you? 70 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,600 There's no tomatoes. No salad. There's just cheese and pickle. 71 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,120 -Do you want it? I'll save it for later. -No. I'll have it. 72 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,920 Ah, I… I don't know about pickle, though, but… I'll have it. 73 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:12,440 [sighs] 74 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,560 -Did you make it? -Yes. 75 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,520 -You make butties, do you? -What, you think that's weird? 76 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,440 No. My mum makes 'em. 77 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,320 Well, that makes two of us, then. 78 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:26,960 This is nice. 79 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:27,960 It's a bit hot. 80 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:29,760 I don't mind hot. 81 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,360 [sniffles] 82 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,120 -You're looking better than last time. -What's that supposed to mean? 83 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,600 You've just got some of your color back. 84 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,040 -You sound like a granny. -[chuckles] Do I? 85 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,720 "Oh, you got your color back. You can't have been that ill." 86 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,560 -[Briony] That's a good voice. -No. 87 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,160 [Briony] Do you see your grandparents much? 88 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,080 -Well, not recently, no. -[Briony] No, I meant before all this. 89 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,520 Yeah, a bit. 90 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,880 My dad's side… my dad's mum and dad. My mum didn't get on with hers. 91 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,680 [Briony] Yeah, we spoke about that. 92 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,520 -So, what are your dad's parents like? -[clears throat] 93 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,040 [sighs] I don't know. Like him. 94 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:14,960 [Briony] Well, what does that mean? 95 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,320 They like things as they like them. "No gravy. Such a shame." 96 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,840 Or, "I like a slice with my dinner if you've got one in, Amanda." 97 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,320 [chuckles] A slice… A slice of what? 98 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:29,000 [scoffs] Bread. 99 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,520 -You're posh, aren't ya? -No, I'm just not from where you're from. 100 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,120 Well, what do you call bread if you don't call it a slice? 101 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,480 Mm, bread? 102 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,840 [both laugh] 103 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,000 You're posh. 104 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,440 If it makes you happy that I am, Jamie, then I am. 105 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,520 Well, what do you call your grandad? Bet you call him "Grandpa." 106 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,080 -I do not. -I bet you do. 107 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,600 I call him "Pop-pop." 108 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:49,680 What? 109 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:51,240 Do ya? 110 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,120 -Yes, I do. -Wow! [laughs] 111 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,480 -Jesus. I've not heard that one before. -I don't know why. 112 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,600 Okay. Maybe he asked me to call him that. I'm not sure. 113 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,800 -God, you're really posh. -[sighs] 114 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:04,640 [Jamie inhales sharply] 115 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:06,880 Are you not gonna try the sandwich? 116 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,160 I'll have it later. It's just… the pickle. 117 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,360 Hate it. 118 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:13,600 You hate it? 119 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,400 -Oh, I really messed up, then. -Yeah, you did. 120 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,520 Okay. 121 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,440 So, can we talk a bit about you? 122 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,520 You see a lot of your dad in your grandad, do you? 123 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:26,520 Yeah, I don't know. 124 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,320 Is it just what they say, or how they do things? 125 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,360 What's your dad and his dad like? 126 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:34,160 Men. 127 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,240 Okay. Well, would "masculine" be an okay word to use? 128 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,160 [Jamie] You used it. 129 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,680 When I hear the word "masculine," I think they can mend things. 130 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,840 They like to make things. 131 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,240 They like sports. They like going to the pub. 132 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:53,240 [Jamie] Yeah. 133 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,160 Not the pub, but, yeah. 134 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:57,800 Your dad doesn't go to the pub? 135 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,560 [Jamie clicks tongue] No, not… not really. 136 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,640 Not as much as my pop-pop. 137 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,000 -Not gonna let me forget that, are you? -[Jamie chuckles] No. 138 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,800 So, your grandad's more of a pub man, is he? 139 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,320 [Jamie] I dunno. He… He's not around that much anymore. 140 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:15,280 How much? 141 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,120 Every other Sunday, maybe. 142 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,560 Sometimes in the week when they're both… 143 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,000 Mum and Dad are both working, but that's more Granny. 144 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,680 A bit more in the holidays. 145 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,680 -We went to Tenerife with them once. -On holiday? 146 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,440 No, banana picking. 147 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,320 -[chuckles] -[scoffs] 148 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,600 -Obviously it was on holiday. -Okay. [laughs] 149 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,960 I don't think I've ever heard anyone use banana picking in a comeback. 150 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,840 -[laughs, sighs] -[Jamie chuckles softly] 151 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,080 I suppose the other thing I think about when I hear the word "masculine" 152 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,840 would be the way that masculine men-- 153 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,200 This started 'cause I said you sounded like a granny. 154 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,080 -[Briony] What? -[sighs] 155 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,320 This all started because I said you sounded like a granny. 156 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,600 And now you're just going on about masculine stuff. 157 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:05,760 [Briony] Yes. 158 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,240 The first time you came, you had actual questions. 159 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,200 "Is this right, Jamie? Do you know whether this is wrong, Jamie?" 160 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,680 -Now you're just chatting shit. -I hope I'm not. 161 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,200 Well, you are, because the first time you're all, 162 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,400 "If an adult guinea pig eats one of its kids, is that normal or weird?" 163 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,640 -And now you're, "What do you call bread?" -Come on. 164 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,280 -I'm interested. -It feels like a trick. 165 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,280 Trick? Trick into what? 166 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,160 My dad's okay. 167 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,360 All right? 168 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:33,920 Okay. I know. 169 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,960 Just talking about him. 170 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,120 There isn't a need. 171 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,240 Fine, if that's how you feel. But I'm not trying to trick you. 172 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:47,760 [sighs] 173 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,400 -And now I've pissed you off. -[Briony] No. 174 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,560 Can I see your notes? What you've got written down about me? 175 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,680 -Do you see me writing? -[Jamie] You must write stuff. 176 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:59,960 Yes. 177 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,720 [Jamie] Can I see what you wrote? What you've written? 178 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:04,440 Of course you can't. 179 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,480 -The lawyers have said you work for us. -That's not what they say, Jamie. 180 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:11,360 And I know that because I asked them the last time you said that to me. 181 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,200 [Jamie] You talk to them? 182 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,600 I explained. I've been employed by your team, but I don't work for you. 183 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:19,120 -[Jamie] What do you tell them? -I'm writing an independent-- 184 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,760 -[Jamie] What do they say to you? -A presentence offense report. 185 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,800 Which the judge will read to get an understanding of you 186 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,280 and your understanding of the charges. Okay? 187 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:30,560 [Jamie sighs] 188 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,920 All I want to do is talk to you, Jamie, and have you talk to me. 189 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,160 Yes, I've asked some straightforward questions. 190 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,320 -But I think… -[yawns] 191 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,640 [Briony] Am I boring you? 192 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,800 -No. -[Briony] Okay. 193 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,120 I think you, and everyone else for that matter, 194 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,320 are far more complex than straightforward questions allow for. 195 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:59,520 We had a good conversation last time. Can we try that again? 196 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:01,640 What did we talk about last time? 197 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,520 We spoke about your friends, your sister, your mum. We went-- 198 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,960 -Can't remember saying anything about 'em. -Well, you did. 199 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,480 How you feel about them. How Lisa's doing. What you think your mum thinks of you. 200 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:13,800 -Now you wanna talk about my dad? -I want to talk about lots of things. 201 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:18,680 [Jamie sighs] 202 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,520 I could tell you questions that I wrote down to talk to you about today. 203 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,760 If that helps. 204 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,040 All right. Yeah. 205 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,720 Okay. Well, I wanted to talk about the fight you had. 206 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,640 -That was nothing. -I was interested why you got in a fight. 207 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,680 -He hit me first. -Why? 208 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,960 Because we've had beef over stuff. 209 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,280 It doesn't matter. It wasn't a proper fight. 210 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,560 -It's not that interesting? -It's not. 211 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,400 Okay, let's move on. 212 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,240 -What? I'm in charge now, am I? -Mm. Maybe. 213 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,960 I also wrote down that I wanted to talk to you about what being a man feels like. 214 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,840 You want a cock and balls, do ya? 215 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,680 I'm interested in what being a man feels like for you. 216 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:04,440 I dunno. 217 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,800 It's too big a question, right? 218 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,280 And the fight's too small a question. 219 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:13,160 Which is why it's more useful for me to see where the conversation goes 220 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,440 and steer it a bit into what you think of your dad and your grandad, for instance. 221 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,160 The type of men you think they are. 222 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,080 Rather than saying, "So, Jamie, what do you think being a man feels like?" 223 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:24,840 [Jamie chuckles] 224 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,480 "So, Jamie, what do you think being a man feels like?" 225 00:12:27,560 --> 00:12:28,840 It's not a trick. 226 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,600 It's just a conversation. 227 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,320 So, do you think it would be okay if we speak about your dad? 228 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,760 Can I just see your notes? What you wrote, how you wrote it? 229 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:47,680 Nope. 230 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:49,840 You're not that in charge. 231 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:54,480 Does your dad like his job? 232 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,520 He fixes toilets. What do you think? 233 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,240 He works hard. 234 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,760 Long hours. You get the best money from emergency plumbing out of hours. 235 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:04,840 Is he funny? 236 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:06,400 Sometimes. 237 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Loving? 238 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,960 -No, that's weird. -Angry? 239 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:11,880 I suppose. 240 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,320 How angry does he get? 241 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,000 He's never hit me. 242 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,400 Okay, go on. 243 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,320 Go on what? 244 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,560 -Is that what this is about? -Why do you call him angry? 245 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,120 He just gets mad. We all do. 246 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,800 Okay. That's okay. He's just angry in a normal way. 247 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:35,160 Well, he's pulled a shed down once when he was in a proper rager, but… 248 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,880 [clears throat] …that's as bad as it gets. 249 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,240 Were you frightened? 250 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,760 No, I… I thought it was quite funny at the time. 251 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,520 Lisa did too. Then Mum sent us upstairs. 252 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,960 He's not like that most of the time. 253 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,120 Hardly ever. 254 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,320 What does he do when he's not working? 255 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,920 It just feels like you're testing him. 256 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,560 No, I'm just interested in your view of him. 257 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,240 He's a big presence in your life. He was your appropriate adult. 258 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,720 Yeah, 'cause… he doesn't judge. 259 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:11,360 He… He's a kind person. 260 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,120 That's good to know. 261 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,600 So, what does he do when he's not working? 262 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,960 He basically likes all sport. 263 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,040 My mum always said if he'd watch lawn bowls, he'd make it fun. 264 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,000 Would you watch lawn bowls with him? 265 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,120 No, it's… it's not for me. 266 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,440 Are you not into sport? 267 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:33,480 -No. -None of it? 268 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,480 Yeah, I'm… I'm not good at much, but… I'm really good at getting out of PE. 269 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,320 How do you do that, then? 270 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,480 Um, headaches. Hurt my leg. 271 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:46,920 Funny tummy. 272 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,000 [sighs] "Sir, I feel dizzy. Can I sit down?" That sort of thing. 273 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,160 What did… does your dad make of that? 274 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,240 He, um… He didn't… 275 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,080 [clears throat] He doesn't… He doesn't know. 276 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,160 He knew I wasn't sporty or anything like that. 277 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,000 [sighs] 278 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,680 I… I used to, uh… He used to take me to football. 279 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:12,680 [clears throat] This… 280 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,160 This football thing on… on Saturdays. 281 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:19,760 And he'd, um… 282 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,440 [sighs] 283 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,080 He'd cheer me on and everything, but… 284 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,240 [sighs] 285 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,760 But when I… I'd fuck up, he'd just… 286 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:33,520 [sighs] 287 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,400 [exhales heavily] 288 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,120 [sighs] 289 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,560 He'd… He'd just look away. 290 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,480 [Briony] Pretend he didn't see? 291 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,800 Maybe, or… 292 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,440 [clears throat] 293 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,240 [sighs] Maybe he just didn't want me to see him looking… 294 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,640 [sighs, hesitates] …sorry. 295 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:07,440 Sorry? 296 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,360 I dunno. 297 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:12,560 Ashamed. 298 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,280 How did you feel when you saw that shame? 299 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,760 -You're supposed to say he wasn't. -Am I? 300 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,280 Yeah. 301 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,560 You're supposed to say, "Oh, bet he wasn't ashamed." 302 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,120 "Bet you just thought that, Jamie." 303 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,000 Or, "Is that what you really think? He wouldn't be ashamed, not of his kid." 304 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,240 -Have other people said that to you? -It's just the right thing to say. 305 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,520 Isn't it lying? 306 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,600 No. 307 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,240 [sighs] I don't know. I don't like lying. 308 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:47,880 [sighs] 309 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,640 I wasn't into school sports either. 310 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Yeah, well, you were good at other stuff, though, weren't ya? 311 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:01,040 Why do you think that? 312 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,400 You look like you were, and you're… 313 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,120 And you're clever, so… 314 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,280 Did you not think you were very good at anything else? 315 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,320 No. I… I didn't care I wasn't. 316 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,160 It must be hard to feel that way. 317 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:17,600 No. 318 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,560 I think most people think like that. 319 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,080 Most people think they're bad at everything? 320 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,520 Most people are. 321 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,800 Does your sister feel like that? 322 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,440 No. 323 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,120 Lisa's clever. 324 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:31,800 Your dad? 325 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:34,680 I don't know. 326 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,200 My… My mum does, though. 327 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,800 Your mum thinks she's bad at everything? 328 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,520 She can cook a roast, but… 329 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,720 I mean, you'd have to ask her. 330 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:47,640 Have you met them yet? 331 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,280 -Your family? -Yeah. 332 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:51,480 I've… spoken to your dad on the phone. 333 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,040 -Yeah? -Yes. As part of my assessment. 334 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:55,240 How is he? 335 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,360 He's okay. He's sad you're here. I can't say more than that. 336 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,600 [Jamie sighs] 337 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,680 [exhales] 338 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:06,600 Well, it… it's wrong… 339 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:07,560 [sighs] 340 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:08,680 …that I'm in here. 341 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,240 [sighs] Can I ask you a question? 342 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:15,960 Of course you can. 343 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,640 -Can you get me out of this place? -I'm afraid I'm of no use to you there. 344 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,280 Why couldn't they put me in a proper prison? 345 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,920 -A better facility wasn't available. -Putting me in a madhouse? 346 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,440 -It's a secure training center. -Training? 347 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,120 [hesitates] What are they training us for? 348 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,160 The other boys just scream all the time. 349 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,000 They rock backwards and forwards, and they shout at Coronation Street. 350 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:37,600 All the way through Corrie. 351 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,080 One kid goes nuts every time he sees Steve McDonald. It's mad in here. 352 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,480 -[Briony] This was the best place for you. -Ryan gets to stay home until his trial. 353 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:46,560 [Briony] Ryan isn't accused of such a serious crime. 354 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,280 Accused. It's all accused. 355 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:52,320 If I did it, if I hurt her, then I'd get it, but I didn't, so-- 356 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,080 -[Briony] As far as I understand it-- -Am I getting moved for the trial? 357 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:57,520 Nothing has been decided yet. 358 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,000 Do you know where it's gonna be? London or local? 359 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,160 You need to sit down, Jamie. If you don't sit down, I have-- 360 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,320 You don't know, or you just won't tell me? 361 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,720 Nothing's been decided yet. You need to sit down! 362 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,640 I don't want to sit! 363 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,760 If you don't sit, I have to stop this discussion. 364 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,720 -Maybe I want you to! -Do you? 365 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,920 It'd piss you off. You'd have to go home and then come back again. 366 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,600 Jamie, if you do not sit-- 367 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,000 I don't fucking wanna sit down! 368 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,120 You do not tell me when to sit down! 369 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,520 You do not control what I fucking… 370 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,880 Look at me now! [panting] 371 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,840 You do not control what I do in my life! 372 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,040 Get that in that fucking little head of yours! 373 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:34,320 [door opens] 374 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,560 [Jamie] Fucking hell! 375 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,080 [guard] Is everything okay? 376 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,160 [Jamie sighs] 377 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,520 [grunts] 378 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,200 -There isn't a problem. -Fuck. 379 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:45,840 Jamie. 380 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:47,960 [inhales sharply] 381 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,520 I shouted. I'm sorry. 382 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:53,840 -Do you want him taken out? -No. 383 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,440 I'll get a cup of tea, though, if that's okay. 384 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,080 Can I have another hot chocolate, please? 385 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,160 -Sure. -[Jamie] You don't have to. 386 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:04,200 Sure. 387 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,880 -[somber, oppressive music rises] -[indistinct shouting in distance] 388 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,480 [exhales sharply] 389 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,040 [huffs] 390 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,080 [sighs] 391 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,440 [man] Causing trouble, is he? 392 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:46,880 [sighs] 393 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:51,880 Uh, could I look in the room? 394 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,640 -There's no audio. -That's fine. Can I look? 395 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,760 Of course. Mi casa is your casa. Or whatever they say. [chuckles] 396 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,440 [excited chatter nearby] 397 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,200 -[man] After you. -Thank you. 398 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,120 What are you seeing? 399 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,120 I mean, what is it you're looking for? Is it body language stuff? 400 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,800 It's just, I'm reading a book on that at the moment. 401 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,680 My sister gave it to me. 402 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,120 You see, 403 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,840 people hide. 404 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,160 I know I don't need to tell you this, but… they hide so much. 405 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,160 Maybe they tell the truth with their bodies, you know? 406 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,320 -Faces-- -[curtly] Yes, maybe. 407 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:04,680 I couldn't do what you do. 408 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,080 I'm sure I couldn't do what you do. 409 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,080 Do you want to job swap? 410 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:10,920 What's your hours? 411 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,400 What's your wages? [chuckles] 412 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,440 -What's your holiday allowance? -No. I like my job most of the time. 413 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,520 Well… I hate mine. 414 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,000 So you're probably best off. 415 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:28,360 Right. 416 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,280 That's all I needed. 417 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:31,640 Dib dib dib. 418 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,200 -Pleased to help. -Thank you. 419 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,080 Thanks. 420 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,440 [exhales deeply] 421 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,200 [clears throat] 422 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,800 [exhales sharply] 423 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,880 [guard] Would you be comfortable with me staying? 424 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,000 No, I wouldn't like that at all. 425 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,760 Right, Jamie. I'm not a police officer. I'm not here to elicit a confession. 426 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:05,000 I'm just here to understand. I know you think I'm trying to trick you. 427 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,840 I said… I said that ages ago. 428 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,480 I am just here to get an understanding of your understanding. 429 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,040 [sighs] And I understand 430 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,000 that you need to have an understanding of my understanding. 431 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:21,880 Go on. 432 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:23,960 Ask your questions. 433 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,280 [sighs] I'm better now. 434 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,320 [exhales] 435 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:32,640 Okay. Uh… 436 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,840 Well, I suppose the other thing I think of in relation to the word "masculinity" 437 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,000 would be how masculine men feel about women. 438 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,600 -We're back on that, are we? -Yes. Is that okay? 439 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,520 [sighs] Uh, yeah. 440 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,720 You need to have an understanding of my understanding of women. 441 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,200 -I forgot your hot chocolate. -It's fine. 442 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,280 -I'll get it. -No, just… sit down, please. 443 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,920 [sighs] 444 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,760 It's fine. I don't deserve it. 445 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,960 I shouted. 446 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,680 Ask your questions about men, women, whatever. 447 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,320 Well, you must have views on men and women. 448 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,120 How does your dad treat your mum? 449 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,440 -Are you trying to get at my dad again? -No, not get at him. 450 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,720 Dad's actually nice to Mum. 451 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,280 You did say he tore down a shed. 452 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,360 Yeah, he just gets angry with himself, but he's never hit her. 453 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,040 Does he speak to other women? 454 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,480 -What? -Is he friendly with other women? 455 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,160 What? No. He loves my mum. 456 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,840 No, I'm asking whether any of his friends are women. 457 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,440 No, his mates are his mates. 458 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,560 And they're men? 459 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,880 Is that wrong? What does that mean? 460 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,000 No. No, that's not wrong. 461 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,520 I thought we'd done talking about my dad. 462 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,160 -Jamie, I'm just trying to understand-- -Understand. 463 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,720 I know, but… none of this is nothing to do with him. 464 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,600 -[sighs] -Okay, that's fine. 465 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,680 -Do you have any mates who are women? -No. 466 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,320 Like your dad, your mates are male? 467 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,480 [sighs] The other shrink asks more normal questions, you know? 468 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,080 -Okay. -Wanna know what he asks? 469 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,320 -I can't know. -[scoffs] I'm just saying. 470 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,280 I can't know, Jamie. My conclusions have to be independent. 471 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:22,400 All right, okay. I won't say anything. 472 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,600 What do you think about women? 473 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,680 I like them. 474 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,480 But you're not, like you say, particularly friends with them? 475 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,120 I'm not a twat, though. 476 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,120 -Are you attracted to women? -Yeah, I'm not gay. 477 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,280 We've established you don't have a girlfriend. 478 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,600 -Yeah. -But I don't think I asked before. 479 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,240 Would you like a girlfriend? 480 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,520 Yeah, who doesn't? 481 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,440 If you had a girlfriend, what would you do with her? 482 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:47,960 [hesitates] What does that mean? 483 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,640 Well, would you take her out? If you did, where would you take her? 484 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,680 [sighs] The cinema. 485 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,520 To see what kind of film? 486 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:02,440 A horror. 487 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,800 Fifteen certificate? 488 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,160 Mm. Yeah, they're pretty slack. You can get in. 489 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,880 And after the cinema, would you 490 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,840 take her for a walk, take her straight home? 491 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,880 No. 492 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,880 Not straight home. 493 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,600 Would you want to kiss her? 494 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,600 -Are you allowed to ask these questions? -What, you don't discuss this in PSHE? 495 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,120 [Jamie sighs] 496 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,680 What do you think is the normal amount 497 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,160 someone your age would do sexually with a girl or boy? 498 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,280 -I told you, I'm not gay. -I wasn't suggesting that you were. 499 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,240 -You really want me to answer? -Yes, if you can. 500 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,320 I don't know. Touching. Kissing. 501 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,640 Well, what do you mean by touching? 502 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,840 [clears throat] 503 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,640 Touching her… Touching her bits. 504 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,400 Her chest? 505 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,240 -Yeah. -Her backside? 506 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,280 -Yeah. -Her vulva? 507 00:26:58,120 --> 00:26:59,200 Her vagina? 508 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,080 I don't know, maybe. 509 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,280 -Probably not? -Maybe. 510 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,000 [sighs] 511 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,200 Are you sure you're allowed to ask these questions? 512 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,560 So, you think it's normal for a 13-year-old heterosexual boy 513 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,040 to have engaged in touching of a girl's chest and her backside? 514 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,040 Above or below clothes? 515 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,560 [sighs] Below… maybe. 516 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,200 Above, mostly. 517 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,360 I've actually done all that. Kissing and touching. 518 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,360 Okay. 519 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,600 And I've had two girls show me their tits. Chest. 520 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,800 It's okay. You don't have to use my language. 521 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,040 And I touched them, so… 522 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,800 Okay. 523 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,120 And one of them touched my, uh… my… my knob 524 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,920 through my trousers. 525 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,080 Okay. 526 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,520 And I think she liked it. 527 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,600 And you liked it? 528 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,200 Of course. 529 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:01,840 [sighs] 530 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,200 Not really. 531 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,560 You didn't like it? 532 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,720 [exhales] 533 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,720 [sighs] I dunno. 534 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,720 There's no right or wrong answer in this room, Jamie. 535 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,400 You do know that. It's just your best attempt at the truth. 536 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,000 [sighs] Yeah. 537 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,800 That… That didn't happen. 538 00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:33,840 -You weren't touched on your trousers? -No, I wasn't. 539 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,960 And did two girls go topless with you? 540 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:38,880 No, but… 541 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,680 -[clears throat] I've seen photos, though. -You've seen porn photos? 542 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,760 No, not porn. 543 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,920 Everyone sees porn. 544 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,560 Just these two girls in my year that I knew. Well, know. 545 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,920 You saw photos of two girls in your year topless? 546 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,440 Yeah. 547 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,440 Would they be happy you saw those photos? 548 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,280 Everyone else did. 549 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,000 Was Katie one of those two girls? 550 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,560 What? 551 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,280 -How do you know that? -How did it feel-- 552 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,240 -No. How did you guess that? -I didn't guess it. I asked it. 553 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,440 And now I'd like to know what it felt like to see that. 554 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,680 -You're asking whether I got a hard-on? -I'm asking how it felt. 555 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,000 [scoffs] I… I liked it. Are we allowed to talk like this? 556 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,240 How does it make you feel, looking at naked pictures of people? 557 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,160 How do you think? 558 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,680 How does it make you feel, 559 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,080 looking at naked pictures of people you know? 560 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,760 I dunno. Good. 561 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,200 Powerful? 562 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,200 -Do you feel like it gives you a power? -No. 563 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,880 It's just weird. 564 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:47,960 [sighs] 565 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,720 Were you attracted to Katie? 566 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,640 She wasn't my type. 567 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,560 So you weren't? 568 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,360 [sighs] 569 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,200 She was quite… [sighs] 570 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,000 …no offense, but flat, you know? 571 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,440 Right. 572 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,600 Well, everyone else said it… who saw it. That's not just me. 573 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,560 [clears throat] 574 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,480 The picture got passed around the school. Snapchat, you know. 575 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,120 It was just her… 576 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,320 [hesitates] …top half. 577 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,560 Not, uh, anything else. 578 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,000 She sent it to Fidget, and then he sent it on. 579 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,600 Why did she send it to Fidget? 580 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:28,960 I dunno. She fancied him. 581 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,320 So she was trying to attract him? 582 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,000 [sighs] I think he asked her. 583 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,600 He's not gonna get any more pictures, though, is he? 584 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,840 No. She's dead. 585 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,920 [tense silence] 586 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,560 [Jamie breathing shakily] 587 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,080 No, I… 588 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,680 I didn't mean from her. 589 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,000 I meant from other girls. 590 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,280 No one'll send him pictures 591 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,080 because he wasn't careful with the one he got. [sighs] 592 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:58,320 The twat. 593 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,200 So you think he should have collected more pictures from more girls 594 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,240 before he shared them with other boys? 595 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,680 [sighs] Yeah. I dunno. 596 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,880 [exhales] 597 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,400 Why… Why did you say "She's dead" like that? 598 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,880 Because she is. 599 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:28,720 [Jamie sighs] 600 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,640 Jamie, I asked whether you were attracted to women. 601 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Do you think women are attracted to you? 602 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:41,880 What sort of question's that? 603 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,280 Well, what do you think? Do you think girls are attracted to you? 604 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,160 No. 605 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,840 Of course not. 606 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,120 Why, "of course not"? 607 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,720 Because I'm… I… I'm ugly. 608 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,720 [sighs] 609 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,840 How does that make you feel? 610 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,760 -Aren't you supposed to say I'm not ugly? -What I think isn't important. 611 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,760 You don't say the things normal people say. 612 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,480 How would you feel if I did? 613 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,720 I don't know why you don't say things normal people say. 614 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,720 I should have contradicted you when you said your dad was ashamed, 615 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,680 and you think I should contradict you now when you tell me you think yourself ugly? 616 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,640 [sighs] I dunno. 617 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,520 I'm interested in the fact that you think you're ugly, Jamie. 618 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,320 Yeah, I'm… 619 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,800 [sighs deeply] 620 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,800 I'm fascinating. 621 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:32,920 I'm interested in it 622 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,000 because what you think is more important to me than what is true, okay? 623 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,440 So, how do you feel about being ugly? 624 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,120 Well, how would you feel? 625 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,520 You don't know. 626 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,200 -You're not. You're dead pretty. -This isn't about me, Jamie. 627 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,600 -You don't think you're pretty? -I'm not the interesting person. 628 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,760 You don't think you're pretty? You do think I'm ugly? 629 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,360 I haven't passed judgement on either of those things. For very good reason. 630 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,600 -"For very good reason." -I want to understand you. 631 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,400 To understand my understanding of my understanding of my understanding. 632 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,320 Yes. 633 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,720 [sighs] 634 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,680 -The other bloke is much more easy. -Okay. 635 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,760 Him checking whether I understand was much easier. 636 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,720 -Whether I understand what I did. -They need two opinions for a reason. 637 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,120 Look, no, fuck off! I didn't fucking say that! 638 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,920 You're fucking putting words in me mouth! 639 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,400 -It's a fucking trap in here! You are… -[guard] Hey! Jamie! [knocks] 640 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,480 [Jamie panting] 641 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,800 What was that? 642 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:39,840 Hey? 643 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,920 What the fuck was that? 644 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,240 Signaling him away like a fucking queen, yeah? 645 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,320 [calmly] I need you to sit down. 646 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,160 [shouts] 647 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,360 [chair clatters] 648 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,360 Fuck. 649 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:22,640 [under breath] Fuck. 650 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,280 Fuck. 651 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,120 [groans] 652 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,760 Fuck's sake. 653 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,520 -Are you going to sit down? -Fuck off! 654 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,920 For fuck's sake. 655 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,880 [under breath] Fuck. Fuck. 656 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,920 [groans] 657 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,000 [breathing nervously] 658 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,720 Are you done? 659 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,120 [sighs] 660 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,280 Fine. 661 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,320 I will fucking sit down. 662 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,680 You happy now? 663 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,440 Hey? 664 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:23,760 Well, are you going now? 665 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,960 Are you going? 666 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,400 Would you like me to? 667 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,320 It's not up to me, is it? 668 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,760 If you want me to go, Jamie, I can go. 669 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,640 You said in one of our previous sessions that you had friends, Tommy and Ryan. 670 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,560 But that you wouldn't consider yourself popular. 671 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,920 [sighs] Yeah. 672 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,320 You said you were bullied. The three of you were bullied. 673 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,960 People like you love talking about bullying. 674 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,840 You said Tommy was called Round Pounds 675 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,280 because his mum did her shopping at Poundland. 676 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,760 Yeah, but she doesn't. 677 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,320 And Ryan was called dumb. 678 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,640 Ryan is dumb. 679 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,760 That one was sort of true. 680 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,800 -The three of you felt ostracized. -Big words coming out now. 681 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,000 You said sometimes this would get physical. 682 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,280 People would spit on you from classroom windows. 683 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,160 You'd be tripped up and pushed. 684 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,800 [sighs] Yeah. 685 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,640 -You were called names, physically abused. -No. I was just tripped up and spat on. 686 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:49,520 My question, Jamie, is why do you have an Instagram account? 687 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:50,880 What? 688 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,160 -I… I need one. -Why? 689 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,920 To look at other people's accounts. 690 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,080 You can't if you haven't got one. 691 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,280 Right. And you follow lots of women on Instagram. Models. 692 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:04,920 Yeah. 693 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,400 You don't need to put photos up, though. Why do you? 694 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,520 Put photos up of yourself, I mean? 695 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,520 I dunno. Am I not allowed? 696 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,200 Yeah. 697 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,560 Is it to prove bullies wrong by showing the fun you have with Tommy and Ryan? 698 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:21,560 What? No. 699 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,560 To show the fun you have with your family? 700 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,560 No way I'm putting anything up of them. 701 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,800 If you've seen that, it's because my sister tagged me. 702 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,600 Because you think someone might like one of your photos? 703 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,640 You might get into a conversation, make a new friend, meet a girl? 704 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,680 What? No. What you on about? 705 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,720 [sighs] 706 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,440 Katie commented on your photos on a number of different occasions. 707 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,560 Uh, yeah. 708 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,200 [hesitates] What are you doing? 709 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,040 -What… What's this? -Budge up. 710 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,800 She wrote this. 711 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,360 No. Are… Are you allowed to ask these questions? 712 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,880 -Has Dillon passed these questions fit? -Yes. 713 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,520 [sighs, clears throat] 714 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,000 He has. I'm allowed to ask about intimacies, Jamie. 715 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,120 But if this makes you uncomfortable or you have any questions, 716 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,360 there are people in this facility that can help you. Okay? 717 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,840 [Jamie sighs] 718 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,680 Katie wrote this on your Facebook feed. 719 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:41,680 Facebook? 720 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,240 Instagram. 721 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,080 Are you all right? 722 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,280 You look a bit red. 723 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,560 Did I scare you when I shouted? 724 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,280 -She wrote this on your Instagram. -I mean, I'm only 13. 725 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,800 I don't think I look that scary. 726 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,760 -Could you tell me what these emojis are? -How embarrassing is that? 727 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,760 Getting scared of a 13-year-old. 728 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,280 Wow. 729 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,560 What do these emojis mean, Jamie? 730 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,880 What do the kidney beans mean? They're kidney beans, right? 731 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,560 She's pretending like I'm part of one of those truth groups. 732 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:32,720 What truth groups? 733 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,800 The ones that say that women don't want us and don't care. 734 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,240 -Are you part of those? -No. 735 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,800 But you know what they say? 736 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,440 Yeah, 'cause everyone kept on going on about it. 737 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,400 Incel stuff. So I had a look, but I didn't like it. 738 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,960 And was you being an incel what she was saying with all of these? 739 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:57,920 Yeah. 740 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,240 Could you explain them all? 741 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,200 [sighs] 742 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,560 [huffs] 743 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,040 Uh… want love, won't get it. 744 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,400 [clears throat] 745 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,640 My throat's killing. 746 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,400 Uh, red pill, exploding. 747 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,600 [clears throat] That's the same as the red pill. 748 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,480 And then that's an 80-20 thing. 749 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,000 What's an 80-20 thing? 750 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,040 Where 80% of women are attracted to 20% of men. 751 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,720 [clears throat] But I do think they're right about that, though. 752 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,480 And lots of people liked her comments quite a lot. 753 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,600 Yeah, they thought it was funny. 754 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,080 You must have found that quite cruel. 755 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,520 I suppose. 756 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,480 Did she do this to anyone else? 757 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,200 -No. -Well, why did she do it to you? 758 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:05,840 Because… Because I'm ugly. 759 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,720 -You think that's why she did it to you? -Well, I'm the ugliest, I suppose, so… 760 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,840 Did you ever call her on it? 761 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,960 -Yeah. -What did you say? 762 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,240 I don't know. "I'm not what you say I am," or… 763 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,640 And what did she say? 764 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:24,960 [sighs] 765 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:27,520 She just… 766 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,320 She just smiled and said, "Okay," and walked away. 767 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:35,480 And you never thought to tell anyone? 768 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,160 -It's a bit late for that now. -That just must have hurt. 769 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:39,320 I didn't kill her. 770 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,360 You think I did because you've seen the video. You can't trust videos anymore. 771 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:45,600 It's all fake news. 772 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,760 -I'm not here to judge. -I didn't kill her. 773 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,560 She was a bitch. Even you can see that. 774 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,680 I should've killed her, but I didn't. I just… 775 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,680 [clears throat] 776 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:55,720 All… All I did… 777 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:57,360 [sighs] 778 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:00,480 All I did was… 779 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:03,360 [sighs] 780 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:05,840 [scoffs] 781 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,600 Look at ya. 782 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,280 All hopeful, like I'm gonna say something important. 783 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,080 [scoffs, sighs] 784 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,560 All I did… 785 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,000 I did ask her out… after the photo. 786 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,360 I went round and said I was sorry that they'd done that to her. 787 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,080 Showing everyone her tits. Her chest. 788 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,040 And I wanted to know if she'd come to the fair with me. 789 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,800 You know, I just thought she might be weak, or that… 790 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,240 I just thought she might be weak, so… 791 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:40,480 [sighs] 792 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,240 'Cause everyone was calling her slag, 793 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,240 you know, or flat or whatever, 794 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,760 so I thought when she was, like, that, weak, 795 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,840 she might… she might like me. 796 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,840 [sighs] 797 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,520 It's clever, don't you think? 798 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,080 To ask her out when everyone else didn't like her? 799 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,360 Well, I went round and said I was sorry and everything. 800 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,120 That Fidget was a wanker. 801 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,200 And I said I'd take her to the fair if she liked. 802 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,960 Her weakness made her more gettable, was your theory? 803 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,000 Mm-hmm. Yeah. 804 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,960 I thought you said you didn't like her. 805 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,840 Uh, she's flat. That's a fact. But I didn't mind that. That's okay. 806 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,880 I wore my best tracksuit I could find, and… 807 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,080 [sighs] 808 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,040 I don't even know why I'm telling you all this, but I just said, 809 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,760 "You wanna come to the fair?" 810 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,080 And what did she say? 811 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:39,920 [sighs] 812 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,520 She just… 813 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,920 She just laughed and said, "Oh, I'm not that desperate." 814 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,720 And the emoji messages came after that? 815 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,720 Uh, yeah. 816 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:57,200 She was, let's say, attacking you for presuming you could ask her out? 817 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,440 -Your words. -You think they're unfair? 818 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,600 [hesitates] You think she's a bitch, right? 819 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,160 Doing all that. 820 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,800 You think she's a bullying bitch. 821 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,560 [sighs] 822 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,520 She was a bullying bitch, right? 823 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,000 But that's the thing, you see? 824 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,200 That night, I didn't touch her. 825 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,960 I could've touched her, but I didn't. I just… 826 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,560 I had a knife. She was scared. But I didn't do that. 827 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,720 I could have touched any part of her body. I really wanted to, but I didn't. I just… 828 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,000 Most boys would've touched her. 829 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,720 So that makes me better. 830 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:47,440 [softly] Don't you think? 831 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,160 [rain pattering on roof] 832 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:22,760 [sighs] 833 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,960 I didn't… I didn't mean any of that. I'm just tired. 834 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,600 I'm talking too much. I'm tired. I'm just… [sighs] 835 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,040 I'm so, so tired. 836 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,880 [sighs] I didn't kill her. 837 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,280 Jamie, do you understand what death is? 838 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,440 -What? -Do you understand what death is? 839 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,520 Yeah. 840 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,080 You understand that Katie's gone and she can't come back? 841 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:48,280 I didn't do it. 842 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,840 That whatever claims you make as to her character-- 843 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,200 -I didn't mean she was a bitch. -Whatever claims you make, she's gone. 844 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,520 That whoever did kill her, 845 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,240 they extinguished the possibility of her future life. 846 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,000 I didn't mean to be mean about her. She just did-- 847 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,360 -Jamie, listen. Do you understand? -She just didn't like me. 848 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,040 Yeah, I'm not dumb. 849 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,400 -Do you understand that murder is a crime? -Yeah. 850 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,320 You understand that if you're found guilty, you'll be held in detention? 851 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,240 -Who doesn't know that? -Understand who will make the decision? 852 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,360 -Judge. Jury. -Okay. 853 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:35,640 Jamie, this is our last session. 854 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:37,800 What? 855 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,840 -What I would encourage you to-- -No. Why? 856 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,720 Take advantage of any mental health services that are offered. 857 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,680 -No. Why? -I think you'll benefit. 858 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,120 -No, I won't. -Well, that's just what I think. 859 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,640 And then you come back. You see me? 860 00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:51,840 Unfortunately, I'm needed elsewhere. 861 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,440 -It's just fucking done, is it? All of it? -I hope you take what I said seriously. 862 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,600 -Thanks for your time. I'll ask Frank-- -Thanks for my time? 863 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,280 -Frank! I'm grateful that you've spoken-- -You think I'm being honest? 864 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,400 -Are you gonna tell the judge? -I think you've spoken with honesty. 865 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,600 But all I'm advising the judge on is your understanding. 866 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,760 My understanding, yes. [sighs] 867 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,720 -It doesn't seem like a proper goodbye. -[Briony] It is. 868 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,880 -It doesn't seem like one. -[Frank] That's enough. 869 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,360 No, we haven't finished. 870 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,640 -We have. Thank you, Frank. -No, no! [sighs] 871 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:24,160 Can I ask you something? 872 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:25,800 Yes. 873 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,960 [sighs] 874 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,160 [hesitates] Do you like me? 875 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,280 -I was here as a professional, Jamie. -Don't you think like that, then? 876 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,320 -My job was to assess you. -Because I like you. 877 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,840 Not like that. Not fancying you. Just as a person. 878 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,680 -[guard] Okay, son, come on. -No, don't you even like me a bit? 879 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,560 What did you think about me, then? 880 00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,680 -Decide, come on! -[Briony] This was really useful. 881 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,960 Don't you go fucking telling them what I did! 882 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,520 -Don't you dare! -Whoa, come on. 883 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,800 Don't you go fucking… Get the fuck off me! Don't you dare! 884 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,120 -Hey! -Fuck! 885 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,840 -Come on. Jamie, man, please. -Don't you even like me a bit? 886 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,000 Okay? Jamie, come on. 887 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,080 -What did you think about me, then? -Okay. 888 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:14,800 Just tell my dad I'm all right! 889 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,200 -Tell him that I'm okay! -[guard] Jamie, you're hurting yourself. 890 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,520 -[Jamie] Tell him that I'm all right! -[guard] Calm down. 891 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:21,840 [Jamie] Tell him I'm all right! 892 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,680 -Tell him I'm okay, please! -[guard shouting] 893 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,440 [whimpers, exhales shakily] 894 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,640 [sighs deeply] 895 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,480 [takes a slow, deep breath] 896 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,400 [crying softly] 897 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,480 [breath grows steady] 898 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,040 [sniffles] 899 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:37,880 [groans] 900 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,400 Oh God. 901 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,920 [huffs] 902 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,240 [sighs, sniffles] 903 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,000 [somber instrumental music playing] 904 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,720 [rain pattering loudly] 905 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,560 [somber music continues]