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[male interviewer] Do you recall,
at any time,
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either at the wake or funeral,
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just spontaneously saying,
"I loved her too much"?
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Not "too much." No. That I loved her.
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- Okay.
- 'Cause I didn't do it. I loved her.
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[ominous music playing]
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[man] O.J. Simpson is my childhood idol.
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- He became a client, became a friend.
- [camera clicking]
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[dramatic music playing]
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I represented O.J. for roughly 22 years.
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He said, "My image, what people see of me,
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is the most important thing I have."
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As little as $69 a week.
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[explosion booms]
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When you go to a party,
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there's people that walk in,
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and I hate the saying,
they light up a room.
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[crowd cheering]
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But some people walk in,
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and it doesn't matter if they're
good-looking, attractive, not attractive,
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they walk into a room and you notice them
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and your eyes will follow them.
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O.J. had that ability.
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He had "it."
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Hey, Juice.
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Then my wife said,
"We'll never let him in our house."
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[male interviewer] Do you know why
the blood on the panel of the Bronco
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matched your blood?
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No.
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An agent's job is to create an illusion.
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[inspiring music playing]
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So you have a hero.
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[male interviewer] Do you know why
the blood in the Bronco
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matched Nicole's blood?
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No.
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I'm sure we're gonna have
a real fine time together, right?
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On-screen, he came across
as a likable, happy person.
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Well, if there is some trouble,
I'll just bust a few skulls.
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It's not reality.
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[male interviewer] Do you know why
the blood found on the Rockingham driveway
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matched your blood?
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No.
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Was O.J. a really good person
who is capable of doing bad things?
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[male interviewer] Do you know why
the blood on the socks in your bedroom
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matched Nicole's blood?
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No.
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Or was O.J. just a really bad person
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that occasionally did good things?
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[male interviewer] Do you know why
the blood at Bundy matched your blood?
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No.
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I still don't know. Who was he?
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Which person did I know?
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[laughing]
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[man] We are back on the record now…
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[Lange] Friday, June 17th.
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Once the solid evidence became certain,
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{\an8}we got the warrant early in the morning,
his attorneys were contacted.
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The Los Angeles County District Attorney
has just filed murder charges
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against Orenthal James "O.J." Simpson.
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He is expected to surrender
to Los Angeles Police
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for booking and arraignment shortly.
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O.J. was supposed
to turn himself in by 11:00 a.m.
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Phil and I wanted
to go out and pick him up.
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But the brass wanted
a "perp walk," as they call it.
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It's O.J. Simpson, which was a big deal.
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We want to see
the perpetrator here of this big crime
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paraded in front of our cameras.
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Preferably with handcuffs on
and a scowl on his face
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because it looks good
for the 11 o'clock news.
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It's nonsense,
and it shouldn't have happened.
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{\an8}We had heard a rumor the night before,
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{\an8}but it was at
8:30 in the morning that day.
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{\an8}We found out that the LAPD
was going to arrest O.J. Simpson.
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{\an8}Simpson's gonna surrender.
There's an arrest warrant.
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{\an8}I remember thinking,
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{\an8}"Why is he allowed to turn himself in?
Don't they go to arrest him?"
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{\an8}That's a courtesy, I guess,
they make to more high-profile people.
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{\an8}Didn't know that.
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{\an8}This idea of allowing the guy
to surrender in a couple of hours,
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{\an8}to me, is insanity.
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You're saying, "Have lunch,"
you know, "High tea, whatever."
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That's no way to treat a person
you believe to be a double murderer
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who almost cut a woman's head off.
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I was on my way to Rockingham
and figured I'd see O.J. once I got there.
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Then on my way, I found out
that he had left Rockingham
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and he went to Bobby's place
on the other side of the hill.
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{\an8}And when I say Bobby,
I mean Robert Kardashian,
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{\an8}which, of course, people now
will know the Kardashian girls.
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That's his daughters.
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{\an8}[Nolan] Robert Shapiro, the litigator,
he talked to the LAPD.
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"You don't have to come hook him up.
We'll bring him to the station."
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The question was,
where is he going to turn himself in?
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My editor said,
"Go down to Parker Center."
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So we went down there,
and that was sort of a madhouse.
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[helicopter whirring]
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[male reporter 1] I think there is
three times the media
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that there was 30 or 45 minutes ago.
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We were told O.J. was going to
turn himself in at 10:00, then at 11:00.
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- [male reporter 1] A car coming in.
- [male anchor] We see that.
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[male reporter 1] We have a blue sedan.
I see someone in the back, I can't--
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No, just turning around. False alarm.
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I'm in the lobby of Parker Center.
There are cameras set up.
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We're into programming.
It's wall-to-wall coverage,
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and we hear that there's something
happening at the Bundy address.
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And I see on a monitor,
there's a helicopter shot
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of a couple of white vans
and a crowd of people.
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I'm thinking, "Was O.J. there?"
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And I see a captain
from the media department,
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and I say, "Listen, so is O.J. there?"
And he says, "No, he's not there."
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"Well, what's the crowd doing there?"
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He says, "Well, the crowd's there
because there are helicopters above."
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Why haven't you cleared
this scene if there's nothing going on?
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We've asked you to leave. You won't leave.
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O.J. Simpson was gonna turn himself in.
That's what was gonna happen.
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There was gonna be a lot of attention
paid to his arrival
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and his processing,
but this was gonna happen.
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We had no doubt.
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And he never showed up.
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So I called Shapiro.
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He was at
Bob Kardashian's house in Encino.
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I said, "What's going on?"
He said, "Well, you know how he is."
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"He's upset and I don't know
what we're going to do."
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And "blah, blah,"
this, that, and the other.
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So I said, "Well, we can
come out and pick him up."
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Meanwhile, I dispatched
two police cars to the house.
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[sirens wailing]
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And unbeknownst to us,
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while we're on the phone talking,
O.J. took off.
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[Gilbert] Called the house.
He wasn't there.
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Called Bobby's. He was gone.
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I thought,
"Okay, they wouldn't lie to me."
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They'd tell me where.
Nobody knew where he was.
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There's gonna be
a news conference at maybe 10:00.
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News conference maybe at 11 o'clock.
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And then it kept being pushed back.
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- Ready to go in two minutes.
- [man] Two-minute warning.
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I was in the field, and the TV was up
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and, all of a sudden,
Commander Gascon and Parker Center,
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at the podium, comes up.
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[man] He's on the stage.
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I know David Gascon. He looked pissed.
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{\an8}Mr. Simpson,
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{\an8}in agreement with his attorney…
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was scheduled to surrender this morning
to the Los Angeles Police Department.
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Initially, that was 11 o'clock.
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It then became 11:45.
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Mr. Simpson has not appeared.
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[dramatic music playing]
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It's like he doesn't know what to do.
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Something isn't going according to plan.
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The Los Angeles Police Department,
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right now, is actively
searching for Mr. Simpson.
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[crowd murmurs]
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There were gasps in the room.
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That was the ultimate "holy cow" moment.
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Mr. Simpson is a wanted murder suspect,
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two counts of murder, a terrible crime.
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We need to find him, apprehend him,
we need to bring him to justice,
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and we need to make sure
that we find him as quickly as possible.
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It was the one thing we weren't expecting.
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All of a sudden we think,
okay, that is an admission of guilt.
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If you flee.
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[journalists shouting]
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[male journalist 1] Didn't you have a tail
on the suspect the entire time?
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Commander Gascon, didn't you have a tail
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on the suspect all the time?
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Weren't you watching him constantly?
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We're, uh, not gonna make any comments
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relative to
the investigative efforts itself.
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- [male journalist 1] How did you lose him?
- Would you like for me to answer?
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If this was our decision,
he'd be in jail right now
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and none of this nonsense
would've happened.
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But the brass had other ideas,
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and they paid for it in embarrassment.
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The whole thing had broken down.
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[male journalist 2] Was O.J.
given special consideration
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because of, uh, his celebrity status?
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There is no preferential treatment,
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there has not been
any preferential treatment.
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He is a wanted murder suspect,
and we will go find him.
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The news conference ends,
all of a sudden O.J. Simpson was…
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was a fugitive from justice.
He could be anywhere.
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All Gascon had to do was say,
"It's Simpson and he's gone,"
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and it's everywhere.
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Unbelievably, the most-watched,
most-wondered-about man in America
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has gone missing.
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O.J. Simpson,
one of our most public figures,
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even before this week's incredible events,
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is now one of our most wanted ever.
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There is nothing like this
in memory. Nothing.
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{\an8}"O.J. Simpson's a fugitive of the law."
It was just such a powerful statement.
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[upbeat theme tune playing]
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♪ Known throughout the nation ♪
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♪ As Hertz the superstar ♪
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[male reporter] Howard Cosell used to say,
"The Juice is loose,"
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but believe me,
he never meant anything like this.
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I start making the normal contacts
with the Feds,
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immigration, border security.
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[male reporter] There is some concern
that possibly
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with his connections
and with his resources financially,
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that he might charter an aircraft
and possibly try to flee the area.
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How many times have you
wanted to pack it all in and take off?
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They thought he was headed to Mexico.
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[upbeat Mexican music playing]
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When you're looking for somebody,
we'll put out a BOLO alert.
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Be on the lookout for…
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[male dispatch] Attention all units
and stations for station 18 per LAPD.
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{\an8}Attempt to locate 187 suspect.
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{\an8}First name spelling Oscar-Romeo-Echo
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{\an8}November-Tango-Hotel-Alpha-Lima.
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{\an8}Middle: James.
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{\an8}Male, Black, six foot two,
210 pounds, 46 years old.
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This goes out worldwide, basically.
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- O.J. Simpson.
- O.J. Simpson
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[speaking Spanish]
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[speaking Spanish]
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Where's he gonna hide?
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How do you hide this guy?
Where's he gonna go? What's he gonna do?
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I pray for him,
and I hope that he turns himself in.
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We all would like to hear
his side of the story.
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I just hope he can run as fast now
as he used to be able to.
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[tense music playing]
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{\an8}We fully anticipated that Mr. Simpson
would have been arraigned this afternoon.
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{\an8}As of this time, approximately 3:00 p.m.,
no one knows where he is.
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Gil Garcetti said he needed
to turn himself in immediately.
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Almost making a plea.
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The information that we have
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{\an8}is that Al Cowlings,
who is a former football teammate of his,
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{\an8}was the last person seen
with O.J. Simpson.
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A.C. is like a brother to O.J.
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What O.J. did, A.C. did.
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He was very loyal to his friends.
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He was very close to Nicole
and the whole family.
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I think he was hurt. I really do.
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By all of this.
I don't think he saw it coming.
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If you in any way are assisting
Mr. Simpson in avoiding justice…
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Mr. Simpson is
a fugitive of justice right now.
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And if you assist him, in any way,
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you are committing a felony.
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Think about it.
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I had checked in to the Hyatt Hotel at LAX
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and was constantly
trying to get in touch with O.J.
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I was leaving messages.
"O.J., you know, it's Mike."
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"If you need anything,
I mean… anything, let me know."
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Within a couple of minutes,
I get a phone call from the front desk
250
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and they said, "Yeah, somebody's calling.
They don't know your name."
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"Just a guy named Mike.
Do we put them through?"
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And I'm thinking,
"Well, O.J. knows my last name."
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I said, "Yeah, put him through."
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They said, "Hey, yeah,
my name is so-and-so and it's…"
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"Hey, so what did you mean
when you said 'anything'?"
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I said, "Well, who is this?"
257
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And the guy said,
"Well, I'm O.J.'s neighbor."
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"And O.J. and I got
our cell phones at the same place
259
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and, because of that, we get
each other's messages sometimes."
260
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And I immediately thought,
"Wait, cell phones don't work that way."
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"This is bullshit."
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It turned out it was LAPD,
they were intercepting the calls.
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They got pissy, wanted to know,
"What did you mean?"
264
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"You gonna help him get away?"
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And they started interrogating me,
and I told them to fuck off.
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There was a real mystery
as to how he had been able to evade
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both Robert Kardashian and Robert Shapiro.
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{\an8}We understand now that Furnell Chatman
is standing by a news conference
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{\an8}by Robert Shapiro,
O.J.'s attorney. Furnell?
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{\an8}And all of a sudden, we hear that
there was going to be a press conference.
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Yes, he has just arrived, Robert Shapiro,
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and he is about to inform us
as to how things stand.
273
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At about 9:30, I arrived at a residence
in San Fernando Valley where O.J. was.
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And I told him that I had been informed
by the Los Angeles Police Department
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that he was being charged
with first-degree murder
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and that we would
have to surrender by 11 o'clock.
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Later on, we find out that
there was a criminalist and a doctor
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and a couple other people
examining Simpson at Kardashian's home.
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They were taking pictures
of his injured finger,
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taking hair samples, blood samples,
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to probably counteract
what we had already done.
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I told O.J.
that we had to really get moving.
283
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He said he needed some time
to talk to his family.
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He called his children and talked to them.
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[camera clicks]
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- He called his mother and talked to her.
- [camera clicks]
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Sometime later in the morning,
the police arrived.
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It was at that time
that we discovered for the first time
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that O.J. was not present.
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Al Cowlings was not present.
291
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Now I would like to introduce
Mr. Robert Kardashian.
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This letter was written by O.J. today.
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"To whom it may concern."
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"First, everyone understand,
I had nothing to do with Nicole's murder."
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"I loved her."
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"Always have and always will."
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[camera clicks]
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[camera clicks]
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[mysterious music playing]
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[camera clicks]
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{\an8}O.J. Simpson met Nicole
at a place called The Daisy.
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[gentle music playing]
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She was 18, working as a waitress.
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[camera clicks]
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O.J. saw her and just, kind of like,
"Wow. I want to meet this woman."
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O.J. met her there
and they just started dating.
307
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[woman] She called me and she says,
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"Mom, I'm coming by
with a friend of mine."
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And I said, "Fine!" And she says, "Mama…"
310
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"He's a Black man." I said, "That's okay."
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- She was totally in love with him.
- This girl was totally in love.
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They both, both loved one another a lot.
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- [camera clicks]
- It was very intense.
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"Nicole and I had a great relationship."
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[indistinct chatter]
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"For most of our lives together."
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Oh God, I can't even believe this.
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Is he nervous?
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[man] I just trust
that by the way you live
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and by the way you treat others, O.J.,
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by the way you value life,
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that you will lead Nicole to say
continually with breathless wonder,
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"Oh God, I'm a woman most fortunate,
324
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for out of all of this world,
O.J. has chosen me."
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I, O.J., take you, Nicole…
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I, O.J., take you, Nicole.
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[man] To be my wedded wife.
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To be my wedded wife.
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Mr. and Mrs. O.J. Simpson.
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- [applause]
- [woman] It's gonna last forever.
331
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And I can't wait
to see their little babies.
332
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Aren't they gonna be cute?
333
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They got kids right away,
and that started their life.
334
00:16:31,428 --> 00:16:33,928
[Nicole] When you watch this tape
when you get older,
335
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see that little quilt you're laying on?
336
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Mommy made that for you.
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[Kardashian] "To the press as a last wish,
338
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please, please, please
leave my children in peace."
339
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"Their lives will be tough enough."
340
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[O.J. Simpson] There's the hospital,
341
00:16:52,324 --> 00:16:57,584
and we're gonna go in this hospital
and pick up Justin Ryan Simpson!
342
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And there's Mommy!
343
00:17:01,542 --> 00:17:04,092
Daddy looks pretty handsome at 41,
doesn't he?
344
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But with very intense relationships,
345
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when they get negative,
they can get very negative.
346
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"Like all long-term relationships,
we had a few downs and ups."
347
00:17:20,894 --> 00:17:23,984
He felt that he also
kind of created Nicole.
348
00:17:24,606 --> 00:17:27,396
Her life was her life
because he gave that to her.
349
00:17:27,985 --> 00:17:32,315
"If we had a problem,
it's because I loved her so much."
350
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[Shipp] He said it in his own words,
he loved her so much.
351
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And he didn't want
to see nobody else with her.
352
00:17:38,579 --> 00:17:40,869
"Recently, we came to the understanding
353
00:17:41,456 --> 00:17:45,626
that, for now,
we were not right for each other."
354
00:17:45,711 --> 00:17:47,001
"At least for now."
355
00:17:47,087 --> 00:17:51,127
I think a person like that
doesn't like to lose,
356
00:17:51,216 --> 00:17:53,466
and he thinks he could
get it back no matter what.
357
00:17:54,303 --> 00:17:55,893
I think it goes back to his football.
358
00:17:55,971 --> 00:17:58,721
It's like, "We're never out of the game.
I can get her back."
359
00:18:00,475 --> 00:18:02,435
But I think that game was lost.
360
00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:06,440
He finally knew
that she could actually move on.
361
00:18:07,316 --> 00:18:08,896
And I think it devastated him.
362
00:18:09,443 --> 00:18:16,373
"I think of my life and feel
I've done most of the right things."
363
00:18:17,367 --> 00:18:19,117
"So why do I end up like this?"
364
00:18:19,870 --> 00:18:23,920
"Please think of the real O.J.
and not this lost person."
365
00:18:24,833 --> 00:18:26,383
[Simpson] I appreciated your cheers.
366
00:18:26,460 --> 00:18:30,130
I already know
it's what I'm gonna miss most.
367
00:18:30,631 --> 00:18:34,551
[Kardashian] "Thanks for making
my life special. I hope I helped yours."
368
00:18:35,093 --> 00:18:36,803
"Peace and love. O.J."
369
00:18:38,222 --> 00:18:41,812
To me, it sounds like, you know,
he want to commit suicide.
370
00:18:41,892 --> 00:18:43,982
The note sounded like he's saying goodbye.
371
00:18:44,061 --> 00:18:47,731
It's definitely a goodbye note, whether
it means goodbye from this country
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or goodbye from this planet.
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[Shipp] I thought he would do it.
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I really did, you know.
375
00:18:54,613 --> 00:18:57,453
Someone who's in love with himself
doesn't kill himself.
376
00:18:57,532 --> 00:18:58,832
The letter was heartbreaking,
377
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and I thought that he would kill himself
378
00:19:01,328 --> 00:19:03,498
because he did love himself so much
379
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and he loved the image
that he worked a lifetime to create.
380
00:19:07,584 --> 00:19:08,674
That was gone.
381
00:19:10,087 --> 00:19:11,127
[Kaelin] It was just…
382
00:19:12,089 --> 00:19:13,299
a narcissistic letter.
383
00:19:13,382 --> 00:19:16,642
And I don't think anybody
would end it with a happy face.
384
00:19:17,386 --> 00:19:19,546
That was probably the first ever emoji.
385
00:19:20,806 --> 00:19:23,556
There's a smiley face
in the bottom of the letter.
386
00:19:23,642 --> 00:19:25,442
We knew about his narcissism.
387
00:19:25,519 --> 00:19:28,439
It was going beyond that.
He's a sociopath. No doubt in my mind.
388
00:19:28,522 --> 00:19:33,492
This is a "Woe is me, please forgive me,
I love Nicole, and I this, and I that."
389
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On and on and on for four pages.
390
00:19:35,529 --> 00:19:36,739
[ominous music playing]
391
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Nobody knows what to do.
It was panic city right then.
392
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[man] I've always said
I was put on this Earth to sue cops.
393
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It's what I love doing.
394
00:19:50,585 --> 00:19:54,165
It allows me to make the world better
for somebody else.
395
00:19:57,092 --> 00:19:58,432
It is righteous.
396
00:19:58,510 --> 00:20:01,680
We put so much trust
and faith in our police
397
00:20:01,763 --> 00:20:05,813
that when they do us wrong,
it can be devastating.
398
00:20:06,518 --> 00:20:10,148
I was the managing lawyer
in Johnnie Cochran's office.
399
00:20:10,939 --> 00:20:13,529
Johnnie's firm, as a civil rights firm,
400
00:20:13,608 --> 00:20:18,198
really spoke to me
as a young lawyer in the early '80s.
401
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,660
- [camera clicking]
- I always thought that we as a firm
402
00:20:22,743 --> 00:20:27,083
were uniquely qualified
to handle this kind of a case.
403
00:20:27,164 --> 00:20:28,874
It was the biggest case.
404
00:20:28,957 --> 00:20:33,997
{\an8}Johnnie was the biggest criminal lawyer
in Los Angeles at that time.
405
00:20:34,087 --> 00:20:37,337
- [camera clicks]
- But this was not our case yet.
406
00:20:38,258 --> 00:20:45,098
I thought his cry for help
was not some consciousness of guilt.
407
00:20:46,099 --> 00:20:48,439
But it was something deeper.
408
00:20:49,436 --> 00:20:51,436
[dramatic music playing]
409
00:20:57,069 --> 00:20:58,819
He never had been the source
410
00:20:58,904 --> 00:21:03,244
of any negativity
from the public like this.
411
00:21:03,325 --> 00:21:06,865
He's a idol to kids,
and I don't know what happened.
412
00:21:06,953 --> 00:21:10,713
Like, the guy that I knew,
the hero that I had, um,
413
00:21:10,791 --> 00:21:12,881
it's like he's killing himself.
414
00:21:12,959 --> 00:21:15,709
So, the note, I feel, is a goodbye note.
415
00:21:15,796 --> 00:21:19,666
I can only imagine
the impact that it had on him.
416
00:21:21,468 --> 00:21:25,808
He wanted, basically,
to rid himself of this pain
417
00:21:25,889 --> 00:21:30,729
of being the focus
of this negative publicity.
418
00:21:31,311 --> 00:21:32,851
He could not have fathomed
419
00:21:32,938 --> 00:21:35,608
people thinking he could
do something like this.
420
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:41,490
Everyone was on pins and needles
wondering how it was gonna play out.
421
00:21:41,571 --> 00:21:43,741
[tense music playing]
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00:21:43,824 --> 00:21:45,994
[Lange] Sooner or later,
he's gonna turn up.
423
00:21:49,121 --> 00:21:51,421
Maybe we won't find him today or tomorrow.
424
00:21:53,041 --> 00:21:55,041
- [music stops]
- Not gonna hide forever, you can't.
425
00:21:55,127 --> 00:21:58,047
I used to run through airports.
Now I fly through them.
426
00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:59,170
[exuberant music playing]
427
00:21:59,256 --> 00:22:01,716
With new Hertz Number One Express Service,
428
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,140
I fly non-stop from my plane to my car.
429
00:22:04,219 --> 00:22:06,219
[tense music playing]
430
00:22:06,972 --> 00:22:07,852
[phone ringing]
431
00:22:09,433 --> 00:22:10,643
[woman] Highway patrol.
432
00:22:10,725 --> 00:22:14,515
[man] Yeah, I think I just saw
O.J. Simpson on the 5 freeway,
433
00:22:14,604 --> 00:22:15,774
and there was…
434
00:22:15,856 --> 00:22:19,476
He's heading north, and I got
the license plate of the white Bronco.
435
00:22:19,568 --> 00:22:21,318
[music intensifies]
436
00:22:21,403 --> 00:22:24,873
{\an8}[male officer] On the 5
from El Toro at 16:46 hours.
437
00:22:24,948 --> 00:22:26,658
{\an8}Special attention South County…
438
00:22:28,118 --> 00:22:30,448
My ex-husband, Bob and I
owned a helicopter
439
00:22:30,537 --> 00:22:34,167
and we were basically in charge
of covering whatever news
440
00:22:34,249 --> 00:22:35,829
we could find from the air.
441
00:22:38,462 --> 00:22:40,802
- We're listening to scanners.
- [indistinct radio chatter]
442
00:22:40,881 --> 00:22:44,631
The chatter amongst the different
helicopters and the LAPD.
443
00:22:44,718 --> 00:22:48,308
We heard that he'd
been spotted at the El Toro Y,
444
00:22:48,388 --> 00:22:50,718
which is a section of freeway
down in Orange County.
445
00:22:50,807 --> 00:22:52,557
Bob turns around and says,
446
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,310
"We're at the El Toro Y!"
447
00:22:55,395 --> 00:22:56,605
"Oh my God. There it is!"
448
00:22:56,688 --> 00:22:58,188
[man] Bob Tur up in chopper two.
449
00:22:58,273 --> 00:23:01,193
Bob, you believe that to be
O.J. Simpson down there below you?
450
00:23:01,276 --> 00:23:02,686
[Bob] Here we are, open the door.
451
00:23:02,777 --> 00:23:05,407
So I swung the door open
on the helicopter,
452
00:23:05,489 --> 00:23:07,369
you see the movement of me going…
453
00:23:07,449 --> 00:23:10,199
Looking around for the Bronco,
and there it was.
454
00:23:10,869 --> 00:23:13,749
[Bob] Okay. It's a white, white car.
455
00:23:16,291 --> 00:23:19,001
[Lange] I'm at my desk
in the corner of the office.
456
00:23:19,085 --> 00:23:21,625
We have a television set
and somebody said,
457
00:23:21,713 --> 00:23:23,923
"Hey, Simpson's on the TV."
458
00:23:24,007 --> 00:23:27,087
I said, "Shit. Here we go."
459
00:23:27,177 --> 00:23:28,637
[dramatic, tense music playing]
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00:23:30,013 --> 00:23:32,973
[male reporter] O.J. Simpson is believed
to be in the white Bronco
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00:23:33,058 --> 00:23:34,808
that you see
in the center of your picture.
462
00:23:34,893 --> 00:23:38,523
We said, "Hey, wait a minute." The only
white Bronco we know we had in custody.
463
00:23:38,605 --> 00:23:40,645
Unbeknownst to us, there's two Broncos.
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00:23:40,732 --> 00:23:43,242
O.J. has a white Bronco,
A.C.'s got a white Bronco.
465
00:23:43,985 --> 00:23:47,485
{\an8}[male officer] White Ford Bronco
is northbound on the 5
466
00:23:47,572 --> 00:23:50,452
{\an8}occupied by one male, Black,
in the number three lane
467
00:23:50,534 --> 00:23:52,914
{\an8}at approximately 30 miles an hour.
468
00:23:52,994 --> 00:23:54,294
This is gonna be a mess.
469
00:23:54,371 --> 00:23:56,081
I get a call from my assignment desk
470
00:23:56,164 --> 00:23:58,634
saying the highway patrol
has picked him up
471
00:23:58,708 --> 00:24:01,038
and are pursuing him out of Orange County.
472
00:24:01,127 --> 00:24:03,337
He's headed back up towards LA.
473
00:24:03,421 --> 00:24:06,881
Photographer Dana Roker and I
get in a van, unmarked.
474
00:24:06,967 --> 00:24:08,967
We pull over and we waited.
475
00:24:09,052 --> 00:24:10,392
- [man] O.J.
- [woman 1] Freeway.
476
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:11,350
[woman 2] Bronco.
477
00:24:11,429 --> 00:24:14,269
{\an8}- [woman talking indistinctly]
- I have to interrupt this call.
478
00:24:14,349 --> 00:24:18,099
{\an8}I understand we're going to go
to a live picture in Los Angeles.
479
00:24:18,186 --> 00:24:23,276
KCBS found him on the freeway,
and then we all sat and watched the chase.
480
00:24:23,358 --> 00:24:25,858
[Larry King] California Highway Patrol
has now confirmed
481
00:24:25,944 --> 00:24:28,414
that it is definitely
Al Cowling's vehicle.
482
00:24:29,364 --> 00:24:32,334
And they are certain
that O.J. is in the passenger seat.
483
00:24:34,244 --> 00:24:37,584
I was at my buddy's house watching
the NBA Finals when the story broke.
484
00:24:37,664 --> 00:24:40,254
They cut into the basketball finals.
485
00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:43,043
And said that he is
believed to be in this Bronco.
486
00:24:43,128 --> 00:24:45,918
And the game went from
the main part of the TV
487
00:24:46,006 --> 00:24:47,466
to the small part of the screen.
488
00:24:47,549 --> 00:24:49,719
I'm Tom Brokaw in New York.
You're looking at a Ford--
489
00:24:49,801 --> 00:24:53,391
They put it on the jumbotron
at Madison Square Garden.
490
00:24:53,471 --> 00:24:56,681
From what I understand,
95 million people watched that pursuit.
491
00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:59,889
95 million.
492
00:24:59,978 --> 00:25:03,478
I think I opened up a beer.
You know, we weren't used to seeing
493
00:25:03,565 --> 00:25:07,435
high-speed or slow-speed chases
on television at that point in time.
494
00:25:07,527 --> 00:25:09,527
[tense music playing]
495
00:25:10,655 --> 00:25:12,525
[Rivera] I watched like everybody else.
496
00:25:13,950 --> 00:25:16,660
Most people know me
from my career in broadcasting,
497
00:25:16,745 --> 00:25:18,155
which is over a half-century.
498
00:25:18,246 --> 00:25:23,206
In 1994, I had just begun
a new program called Rivera Live.
499
00:25:23,293 --> 00:25:24,633
{\an8}Hi, I'm Geraldo Rivera…
500
00:25:24,711 --> 00:25:26,761
Minutes after I saw
what was on the screen,
501
00:25:26,838 --> 00:25:30,338
I knew that that defined
what I wanted to do with Rivera Live.
502
00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:35,260
O.J. was somebody
who was part of Americana.
503
00:25:35,347 --> 00:25:37,097
An American hero.
504
00:25:37,182 --> 00:25:40,522
And here he was,
caught in this unbelievable jam,
505
00:25:40,602 --> 00:25:44,522
acting out right in front of millions,
maybe billions of people.
506
00:25:45,315 --> 00:25:47,605
That Bronco became my show.
507
00:25:48,109 --> 00:25:50,069
[phone ringing]
508
00:25:50,153 --> 00:25:51,863
[man] 911, what are you reporting?
509
00:25:51,946 --> 00:25:54,616
[Cowlings] This is A.C.
I have O.J. in the car.
510
00:25:54,699 --> 00:25:56,789
I'm coming up the 5 freeway.
511
00:25:56,868 --> 00:25:58,618
Right now, we all… We're okay,
512
00:25:58,703 --> 00:26:01,043
but you gotta tell the police
just to back off.
513
00:26:01,122 --> 00:26:03,542
He's still alive,
but he's got a gun to his head.
514
00:26:05,293 --> 00:26:07,963
{\an8}[man] 31 unit, back up a little bit.
The guy's got a gun.
515
00:26:08,046 --> 00:26:10,966
{\an8}All of a sudden somebody says,
"We just got a hold of the sheriff,
516
00:26:11,049 --> 00:26:12,259
and he's got a gun!"
517
00:26:12,342 --> 00:26:14,682
[music intensifies]
518
00:26:14,761 --> 00:26:18,521
[Larry King] Now police radio is saying
that Simpson, the passenger in the car,
519
00:26:18,598 --> 00:26:20,018
has a gun at his head.
520
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:21,310
[man] Mm. Oh no.
521
00:26:21,393 --> 00:26:23,653
[Larry King] Which explains
why they haven't been stopping
522
00:26:23,728 --> 00:26:25,398
and why they haven't moved up alongside.
523
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,360
[man] Oh no.
524
00:26:26,439 --> 00:26:27,729
[man] Is everything else okay?
525
00:26:27,816 --> 00:26:31,106
[Cowlings] Everything right now
is okay, Officer. Everything is okay.
526
00:26:31,194 --> 00:26:32,904
He wants me to get him to his mom.
527
00:26:32,987 --> 00:26:35,237
- He wants me to get him to his house.
- [dispatcher] Okay.
528
00:26:35,323 --> 00:26:37,163
[Cowlings] That's all I…
That's all we ask.
529
00:26:37,242 --> 00:26:40,122
- He's got a gun to his head.
- Okay, and sir, what's your name?
530
00:26:40,203 --> 00:26:42,543
My name is A.C.
You know who I am, goddamn it!
531
00:26:42,622 --> 00:26:43,582
[dispatcher] Okay.
532
00:26:43,665 --> 00:26:46,665
I knew it was serious.
O.J. had a gun to his head.
533
00:26:46,751 --> 00:26:48,671
[ominous music playing]
534
00:26:48,753 --> 00:26:49,713
I started crying.
535
00:26:51,506 --> 00:26:53,166
You got to assume the gun is real.
536
00:26:53,258 --> 00:26:54,838
You gotta assume the gun is loaded.
537
00:26:54,926 --> 00:26:56,846
And you also gotta assume
he's gonna use it.
538
00:26:56,928 --> 00:26:58,678
Now we got a super big problem.
539
00:26:58,763 --> 00:27:00,273
Is he gonna shoot himself?
540
00:27:01,266 --> 00:27:02,426
Is he gonna shoot A.C.?
541
00:27:02,517 --> 00:27:04,977
Is he gonna start shooting
at the cops behind him?
542
00:27:05,061 --> 00:27:07,061
[muted explosions]
543
00:27:07,647 --> 00:27:10,107
[Kim Goldman] We had a house
full of people talking.
544
00:27:10,191 --> 00:27:13,571
"The police should blow out those tires,
the police should just shoot him."
545
00:27:13,653 --> 00:27:16,363
I was like, "No, we need him alive.
We need to go to court."
546
00:27:16,448 --> 00:27:17,658
[sirens wailing]
547
00:27:17,741 --> 00:27:20,331
We figured that was the only way
we were gonna find the truth.
548
00:27:20,410 --> 00:27:23,000
{\an8}[Nolan] One car between us and…
549
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:24,869
{\an8}I believe he's going to the 405.
550
00:27:26,291 --> 00:27:28,131
It was no more than a couple of minutes
551
00:27:28,209 --> 00:27:30,249
before I looked in the rearview mirror
552
00:27:30,336 --> 00:27:33,166
and seeing this phalanx
of black and whites
553
00:27:33,256 --> 00:27:34,916
trailing this Ford Bronco
554
00:27:35,008 --> 00:27:38,218
and then making the decision
for us to pull in front of him.
555
00:27:38,303 --> 00:27:40,893
I got on the two-way radio,
had them call me.
556
00:27:40,972 --> 00:27:46,062
Went on television and we broadcasted
from in front of the white Ford Bronco.
557
00:27:46,686 --> 00:27:49,146
{\an8}- [man] Conan, can you hear me?
- Hello, Paul, can you hear me?
558
00:27:49,230 --> 00:27:51,360
{\an8}[Paul] Yes, I can, Conan, go ahead.
Where are you?
559
00:27:51,441 --> 00:27:54,531
{\an8}[Nolan] Well, we are right in front of
O.J. Simpson's vehicle,
560
00:27:54,611 --> 00:27:59,911
{\an8}and let me assure you, that there's no way
he knows that this is a television truck.
561
00:27:59,991 --> 00:28:04,951
{\an8}This is a very orderly pursuit.
It's as if… It's almost like a motorcade.
562
00:28:05,038 --> 00:28:07,038
[sirens wailing]
563
00:28:08,792 --> 00:28:11,132
One of the anchors says,
"Listen, just to let you know,
564
00:28:11,211 --> 00:28:13,251
he's in the backseat and…
565
00:28:13,922 --> 00:28:15,342
and he has a gun."
566
00:28:16,216 --> 00:28:20,846
And I remember thinking, you know,
"I don't wanna be the guy who kills him."
567
00:28:20,929 --> 00:28:24,679
Because we had heard the note
being read by Robert Kardashian
568
00:28:24,766 --> 00:28:26,426
where he blamed the media.
569
00:28:26,518 --> 00:28:29,938
And all I could think of
is that he'll see our camera
570
00:28:30,021 --> 00:28:32,901
and he'll use that
as the opportunity to pull the trigger.
571
00:28:32,982 --> 00:28:34,982
[sirens wailing]
572
00:28:36,736 --> 00:28:39,566
It was at that point
that we decided to pull off.
573
00:28:39,656 --> 00:28:41,866
- [sirens wailing]
- [dramatic music playing]
574
00:28:45,620 --> 00:28:51,330
I'm figuring, okay, he's on his way home
because 405 goes up to Sunset Boulevard.
575
00:28:51,417 --> 00:28:53,417
[music intensifies]
576
00:28:58,424 --> 00:29:02,974
{\an8}[male reporter] You can see 4, 5
6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 units now
577
00:29:03,054 --> 00:29:04,894
{\an8}converged on this location.
578
00:29:04,973 --> 00:29:07,023
I got in my car,
579
00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:09,270
and it just so happened as I merged,
580
00:29:09,853 --> 00:29:12,813
above me were just all these helicopters.
581
00:29:14,232 --> 00:29:17,192
It looked like the movie Apocalypse Now.
582
00:29:18,027 --> 00:29:19,027
[explosion]
583
00:29:20,989 --> 00:29:24,029
[Lange] If we'd only let us alone
to do what we do,
584
00:29:24,117 --> 00:29:26,737
go on pick him up,
we wouldn't be seeing this crap.
585
00:29:26,828 --> 00:29:28,408
I just knew it was gonna get worse.
586
00:29:28,496 --> 00:29:29,456
[sirens wailing]
587
00:29:30,331 --> 00:29:34,961
People had come out
to watch this in person.
588
00:29:35,044 --> 00:29:38,264
[indistinct chatter]
589
00:29:38,339 --> 00:29:40,339
- [helicopter whirring]
- [sirens wailing]
590
00:29:43,052 --> 00:29:45,562
The number of people
who were on overpasses.
591
00:29:45,638 --> 00:29:48,138
[man 1] They're hearing it on the radio,
catching it on the TV,
592
00:29:48,224 --> 00:29:50,484
and then making a quick exit
out of their houses.
593
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,480
[man 2] Traffic in the south lane,
stopping and looking.
594
00:29:53,563 --> 00:29:57,283
Police cars trailing,
other traffic stopping off to the right.
595
00:29:57,358 --> 00:29:59,738
[man 3] So, look, we've got people
running across the freeway.
596
00:29:59,819 --> 00:30:01,989
- [man 4] That is dangerous.
- [man 3] Oh my goodness.
597
00:30:02,071 --> 00:30:04,621
People were running out onto the freeway.
He's got a gun!
598
00:30:05,199 --> 00:30:06,989
[man 5] While officers
keep their distance,
599
00:30:07,076 --> 00:30:09,946
there's the concern of keeping
other people out of harm's way.
600
00:30:10,038 --> 00:30:12,288
People on the street,
on the overheads are holding
601
00:30:12,373 --> 00:30:15,293
"Juice is on the Loose,"
and have got the "We love you, O.J."
602
00:30:15,376 --> 00:30:17,046
Everybody's got their own signs.
603
00:30:17,128 --> 00:30:20,208
How the hell did these people
get pens and paper?
604
00:30:20,798 --> 00:30:23,178
How did they get
these big pieces of white cardboard
605
00:30:23,259 --> 00:30:25,599
and make signs that fast?
606
00:30:25,678 --> 00:30:27,388
[Douglas] It was surreal,
607
00:30:28,306 --> 00:30:31,016
going through the streets of Los Angeles
608
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:34,350
and seeing the crowds on the overpass.
609
00:30:35,355 --> 00:30:40,735
Or seeing people stopped on the freeway
as the Bronco drove by.
610
00:30:41,277 --> 00:30:44,947
I didn't understand his celebrity.
Why would I? I wasn't tuned into that.
611
00:30:45,031 --> 00:30:48,831
So I didn't understand
why there were thousands of people
612
00:30:49,827 --> 00:30:52,327
lined up on the freeway,
cheering and chanting for him.
613
00:30:52,413 --> 00:30:55,633
It was totally confusing to me,
and I was like, "What is happening?"
614
00:30:55,708 --> 00:30:57,708
[sirens wailing]
615
00:31:00,171 --> 00:31:04,011
[Darden] Whether you gave a crap
about O.J. or that case or not,
616
00:31:04,092 --> 00:31:07,182
that scene on the freeway that day,
617
00:31:07,261 --> 00:31:10,971
that fear or concern
that he would kill himself
618
00:31:12,642 --> 00:31:14,022
caused people to care.
619
00:31:15,144 --> 00:31:18,984
I really, really, really feel sad.
I mean, I actually feel for him.
620
00:31:19,065 --> 00:31:21,025
You can actually see O.J.!
621
00:31:21,109 --> 00:31:24,859
O.J. wasn't one
that we would see in the community
622
00:31:24,946 --> 00:31:27,776
taking part in African-American events,
623
00:31:27,865 --> 00:31:30,405
but once he was charged,
624
00:31:30,493 --> 00:31:35,923
we still were able to connect
with his circumstance, with his Blackness.
625
00:31:35,999 --> 00:31:39,669
This is LA. It's 1994.
It's two years after the riots.
626
00:31:39,752 --> 00:31:42,262
It's two years after police
beat Rodney King.
627
00:31:43,673 --> 00:31:47,303
It's after years
of being abused by the LAPD.
628
00:31:47,385 --> 00:31:49,045
- [shouting]
- [dog barking]
629
00:31:49,137 --> 00:31:54,887
It is regrettable that there had been
historical mistrust
630
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,360
between the police
and the African-American community.
631
00:31:59,939 --> 00:32:03,359
[man] Civil rights organizations
say the Los Angeles Police Department
632
00:32:03,443 --> 00:32:05,953
has a history of brutality and misconduct
633
00:32:06,029 --> 00:32:08,239
that goes back a quarter of a century,
634
00:32:08,322 --> 00:32:11,332
including one incident
that sparked the Watts riots.
635
00:32:11,409 --> 00:32:13,449
In the 1990s,
636
00:32:13,536 --> 00:32:18,916
you could probably stop
any Black Angelino at random
637
00:32:19,792 --> 00:32:23,212
and he would have a story about someone
638
00:32:23,296 --> 00:32:26,296
who had been mistreated by the police.
639
00:32:26,382 --> 00:32:28,382
[helicopter whirring]
640
00:32:36,434 --> 00:32:39,444
[Darden] We all knew
there were racist cops.
641
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,360
Cops who would stand by and do nothing
642
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,820
while a Black man's rights
were being violated.
643
00:32:45,902 --> 00:32:50,202
We got to see it, and you can't tell me
or anybody that this doesn't exist.
644
00:32:50,782 --> 00:32:53,912
When Rodney King
got beaten by those four white cops,
645
00:32:53,993 --> 00:32:59,423
that revealed a schism in Los Angeles
that exists to this day.
646
00:32:59,499 --> 00:33:00,919
[somber music playing]
647
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,380
If I went and beat your dog the way
they beat this man, I'd be in jail.
648
00:33:04,462 --> 00:33:05,962
[man] The city's police chief said
649
00:33:06,047 --> 00:33:08,927
he will support criminal charges
against some of the men.
650
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:11,469
People didn't think it was fair,
651
00:33:11,552 --> 00:33:16,182
that they should be tried in Simi Valley,
in front of an essentially all-white jury.
652
00:33:17,517 --> 00:33:20,347
I perceived that Mr. King
was in a full prone position
653
00:33:20,436 --> 00:33:23,356
and then he made an aggressive attack
toward Officer Powell.
654
00:33:23,439 --> 00:33:25,109
[male attorney] Tell the jury
what happened.
655
00:33:25,191 --> 00:33:29,361
He… I continued to hit him
and then knocked him to the ground.
656
00:33:29,946 --> 00:33:33,526
[attorney] Did you find any difficulty
with the officer striking him?
657
00:33:33,616 --> 00:33:37,116
No they're… This was perfectly within
the LAPD policy and procedures.
658
00:33:37,203 --> 00:33:39,873
[tense music playing]
659
00:33:39,956 --> 00:33:43,326
A lot of people believe
those officers were caught red-handed.
660
00:33:43,417 --> 00:33:46,747
Sometimes police work is brutal.
That's just a fact of life.
661
00:33:46,838 --> 00:33:48,668
People watched that trial
662
00:33:48,756 --> 00:33:51,296
and were convinced
that these officers were guilty.
663
00:33:51,384 --> 00:33:54,644
When they do something, it seems like
it's okay, you know, with the law.
664
00:33:55,429 --> 00:33:57,679
As long they got on
their blue uniform, it's okay.
665
00:33:57,765 --> 00:34:01,095
Rodney King was, you might say,
the straw that broke the camel's back.
666
00:34:01,185 --> 00:34:03,015
You beat a dog, you go to jail.
667
00:34:03,104 --> 00:34:06,614
How many more Rodney Kings
does it have to be?
668
00:34:06,691 --> 00:34:08,941
We should have protection and we do not!
669
00:34:10,444 --> 00:34:11,824
Y'all fucking shut up!
670
00:34:15,032 --> 00:34:18,912
[all] Hey, hey, ho, ho.
Daryl Gates has got to go.
671
00:34:18,995 --> 00:34:23,665
There was this shared understanding
and plight and circumstance
672
00:34:23,749 --> 00:34:24,959
that we could all feel.
673
00:34:26,002 --> 00:34:28,002
[ominous music playing]
674
00:34:30,089 --> 00:34:33,089
[male judge] And the jury has reached
verdicts as to all other counts.
675
00:34:35,511 --> 00:34:38,011
[male juror] We, the jury,
in the above entitled action
676
00:34:38,806 --> 00:34:43,766
find the defendant Laurence M. Powell
not guilty of the crime of assault
677
00:34:43,853 --> 00:34:46,863
by force likely to produce
great bodily injury… [fades out]
678
00:34:46,939 --> 00:34:50,739
[dramatic music playing]
679
00:34:50,818 --> 00:34:53,818
They weren't convicted.
The evidence is right there.
680
00:34:57,909 --> 00:35:02,159
Once the four white cops were acquitted
by an all-white jury in Simi Valley,
681
00:35:02,246 --> 00:35:03,656
it revealed
682
00:35:04,457 --> 00:35:05,827
that race matters.
683
00:35:07,293 --> 00:35:10,503
The City allowed its police department
684
00:35:10,588 --> 00:35:12,798
to do all kinds of things.
685
00:35:12,882 --> 00:35:16,182
Unconstitutional things, unlawful things,
686
00:35:16,260 --> 00:35:19,100
abusive things to members
of the Black community.
687
00:35:20,264 --> 00:35:21,774
[crowd chanting]
688
00:35:21,849 --> 00:35:25,519
And minutes later,
all hell was breaking loose.
689
00:35:25,603 --> 00:35:28,023
- [indistinct shouting]
- [dramatic music playing]
690
00:35:31,609 --> 00:35:35,739
[male reporter] Hundreds and hundreds
of people now ripping off merchandise.
691
00:35:35,821 --> 00:35:36,861
[glass shatters]
692
00:35:36,948 --> 00:35:39,778
They're looting another
liquor store up on Normandie.
693
00:35:41,619 --> 00:35:44,959
It's a way for people
to vent their frustration.
694
00:35:46,332 --> 00:35:48,292
[male reporter] Now they're pulling
the driver out.
695
00:35:50,002 --> 00:35:52,512
We're seeing a dark day
here in Los Angeles.
696
00:35:54,632 --> 00:35:57,182
You had one of
the worst riots in US history.
697
00:35:57,260 --> 00:35:59,430
[crowd shouting indistinctly]
698
00:36:00,471 --> 00:36:03,221
[male reporter] A lot of blood
gushing from the man's head.
699
00:36:03,307 --> 00:36:05,097
- [helicopter whirring]
- [sirens wailing]
700
00:36:06,269 --> 00:36:08,099
[Douglas] It's in that environment,
701
00:36:09,438 --> 00:36:10,978
it's in that cauldron,
702
00:36:12,566 --> 00:36:17,486
that we were all brought together
to defend O.J. Simpson.
703
00:36:18,197 --> 00:36:19,907
He was one of us now.
704
00:36:19,991 --> 00:36:23,081
[male announcer] O.J. gets the call
and the Juice breaks loose.
705
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,790
[cheering]
706
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:28,670
We've been watching Black men
be set up and falsely accused.
707
00:36:28,749 --> 00:36:30,209
We all have a story.
708
00:36:30,293 --> 00:36:33,843
When that Bronco went down the 405,
709
00:36:33,921 --> 00:36:35,211
it drug us all in.
710
00:36:35,298 --> 00:36:40,088
All of a sudden, we all have
some personal emotional connection
711
00:36:40,177 --> 00:36:42,177
to O.J. Simpson and this case.
712
00:36:42,263 --> 00:36:45,643
[woman] We have O.J.'s first wife,
Marguerite, on the telephone right now.
713
00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:47,305
{\an8}- Marguerite, are you there?
- Yes.
714
00:36:48,269 --> 00:36:51,189
{\an8}I just wanted to say,
O.J., we love you, please.
715
00:36:51,272 --> 00:36:52,902
{\an8}Run, run, nigga, run!
716
00:36:53,482 --> 00:36:56,902
{\an8}[man] Marguerite, you're urging
O.J. to run, to escape?
717
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,160
{\an8}Go, O.J. Just keep going! Keep going!
718
00:37:02,241 --> 00:37:04,291
{\an8}Stand up for yours! Just keep going!
719
00:37:10,416 --> 00:37:12,336
[Lange] And I call the DA's office.
720
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,500
"How do we get ahold of this guy?"
721
00:37:15,546 --> 00:37:16,836
He says, "Mobile phone."
722
00:37:18,090 --> 00:37:20,890
I say, "Do you have his number?"
"Yeah, I got it right here."
723
00:37:20,968 --> 00:37:22,048
"Give me his number!"
724
00:37:22,136 --> 00:37:24,806
- [dramatic music playing]
- [helicopter whirring]
725
00:37:24,889 --> 00:37:27,099
He's not gonna answer the phone,
obviously.
726
00:37:27,183 --> 00:37:28,433
[phone ringing]
727
00:37:28,517 --> 00:37:30,477
Rings twice and he picks up.
728
00:37:31,604 --> 00:37:32,444
O.J.?
729
00:37:32,521 --> 00:37:35,071
{\an8}- Hello? O.J.?
- Yeah.
730
00:37:35,149 --> 00:37:36,649
"This is Tom Lange."
731
00:37:36,734 --> 00:37:38,574
"Hey… Yeah…" he says.
732
00:37:38,652 --> 00:37:40,782
He talks like a little…
Like he's drawn out,
733
00:37:40,863 --> 00:37:43,073
like he's tired,
maybe he's under the influence.
734
00:37:43,157 --> 00:37:45,027
Ah…
735
00:37:45,117 --> 00:37:47,287
{\an8}- [Lange] Hey. How you doing?
- [O.J.] Ah--
736
00:37:47,370 --> 00:37:48,500
{\an8}[dial tone]
737
00:37:48,579 --> 00:37:50,079
{\an8}[Lange] O.J. You still there?
738
00:37:50,164 --> 00:37:51,214
All the sudden, I lose him.
739
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:54,090
So I try it again. "Not gonna pick up."
Well, he picks up again.
740
00:37:54,168 --> 00:37:55,538
This happens two more times.
741
00:37:55,628 --> 00:37:56,628
He keeps picking up.
742
00:37:57,296 --> 00:37:59,416
I said, this is good.
He wants to talk to somebody.
743
00:37:59,507 --> 00:38:00,667
{\an8}[Lange] It's Tom again.
744
00:38:00,758 --> 00:38:01,838
{\an8}[O.J.] I'm here.
745
00:38:01,926 --> 00:38:06,466
[Lange] I've been given now an opportunity
to do something that no one else has.
746
00:38:06,555 --> 00:38:09,515
I'm talking directly with the guy
with the gun. That's a big deal.
747
00:38:10,101 --> 00:38:12,141
{\an8}This is not to keep you guys away from me.
748
00:38:12,228 --> 00:38:14,938
{\an8}- I know that. Nobody's going to hurt you.
- This is for me.
749
00:38:15,022 --> 00:38:16,732
{\an8}It's for you. I know that. But do it for--
750
00:38:16,816 --> 00:38:18,396
{\an8}This is for me, for me. That's all.
751
00:38:18,484 --> 00:38:20,954
{\an8}I know that. I know that.
But do it for the kids too, will you?
752
00:38:21,028 --> 00:38:22,658
{\an8}- How?
- Think of your kids.
753
00:38:22,738 --> 00:38:23,568
{\an8}No.
754
00:38:23,656 --> 00:38:25,776
{\an8}Please, just toss it out.
You're scaring everybody, man.
755
00:38:25,866 --> 00:38:28,656
{\an8}- Ah, I'm not gonna hurt anybody.
- I know you're not gonna hurt anybody.
756
00:38:28,744 --> 00:38:30,414
{\an8}- I did it for me.
- I know you're not, man.
757
00:38:30,496 --> 00:38:32,076
{\an8}I'm just gonna go with me.
758
00:38:32,164 --> 00:38:34,424
{\an8}Please, you're scaring everybody, though.
759
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:36,750
{\an8}- You're scaring everybody.
- Just tell them I'm all sorry.
760
00:38:36,836 --> 00:38:40,296
{\an8}You can tell them later on today
and tomorrow that I was sorry and that.
761
00:38:40,381 --> 00:38:42,011
{\an8}Sorry I did this to the police department.
762
00:38:42,091 --> 00:38:43,881
{\an8}Listen, I think you should
tell them yourself.
763
00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:46,640
This isn't about the murder.
764
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,310
This is about the gun, and only.
765
00:38:48,389 --> 00:38:49,889
I don't care about anything else.
766
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:52,560
{\an8}Your kids need you.
767
00:38:52,643 --> 00:38:54,523
{\an8}I've already said goodbye to my kids.
768
00:38:54,603 --> 00:38:56,863
{\an8}Listen, no, we're not going to
say goodbye to your kids.
769
00:38:56,939 --> 00:38:59,229
{\an8}- I already have.
- You're going to see them again.
770
00:38:59,316 --> 00:39:00,896
{\an8}You want to see them again.
771
00:39:00,985 --> 00:39:02,815
{\an8}Please, you're scaring us,
you're scaring them.
772
00:39:02,903 --> 00:39:05,363
{\an8}There's a lot of people that love you.
Don't throw it all away.
773
00:39:05,448 --> 00:39:07,238
{\an8}- Ah…
- Don't throw it all away.
774
00:39:07,324 --> 00:39:11,334
He never directly addresses the gun,
which is concerning.
775
00:39:11,412 --> 00:39:12,462
{\an8}I can't take this.
776
00:39:12,538 --> 00:39:14,328
{\an8}Oh, yes, you can. Yes, you can.
777
00:39:14,415 --> 00:39:15,245
{\an8}No, I can't.
778
00:39:15,332 --> 00:39:17,792
{\an8}You got your whole family out here.
779
00:39:17,877 --> 00:39:20,417
{\an8}- I can't take this.
- They love you. Don't throw this away.
780
00:39:20,504 --> 00:39:22,514
{\an8}- Ah.
- Don't do this.
781
00:39:22,590 --> 00:39:24,680
If I can talk him
all the way back to his house,
782
00:39:24,758 --> 00:39:25,758
play it out.
783
00:39:25,843 --> 00:39:26,893
{\an8}They love you.
784
00:39:27,887 --> 00:39:29,347
{\an8}Don't do it, O.J.
785
00:39:30,264 --> 00:39:31,814
{\an8}It's going to work itself out.
786
00:39:32,558 --> 00:39:34,478
{\an8}- Let me get to my house.
- We're going to do that.
787
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,190
{\an8}I swear to you. I'll give you what…
788
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:38,190
{\an8}I'll give you me.
I'll give you my whole body.
789
00:39:38,272 --> 00:39:39,112
{\an8}Okay.
790
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:41,530
{\an8}I just need to get to my house.
I can't live with…
791
00:39:41,609 --> 00:39:44,069
{\an8}We're gonna do that.
Just throw the gun out the window.
792
00:39:46,614 --> 00:39:49,534
[man] As a negotiator and a SWAT officer,
793
00:39:49,617 --> 00:39:52,237
you can be dealing with
one of the worst criminals in the world.
794
00:39:54,121 --> 00:39:56,121
[dramatic music playing]
795
00:39:56,916 --> 00:40:00,626
But your responsibility is still
to talk that person out.
796
00:40:00,711 --> 00:40:04,091
I was a 22-year member of the LAPD,
797
00:40:04,173 --> 00:40:06,683
18 of which was on the SWAT team.
798
00:40:06,759 --> 00:40:08,339
I was a crisis negotiator.
799
00:40:08,427 --> 00:40:10,007
We are a life-saving device,
800
00:40:10,095 --> 00:40:12,925
whether it's a bad person,
good person, hostages.
801
00:40:13,015 --> 00:40:14,725
That's our job, is life-saving.
802
00:40:15,976 --> 00:40:18,016
Finally, they called upon us
803
00:40:18,103 --> 00:40:20,983
and told us to respond
to the Rockingham address.
804
00:40:21,065 --> 00:40:24,065
We're racing to get ahead of what we think
805
00:40:24,151 --> 00:40:26,821
is going to be someone hurting themselves
806
00:40:26,904 --> 00:40:28,744
or someone giving themselves up.
807
00:40:30,699 --> 00:40:31,869
[Fuhrman] I get a page.
808
00:40:31,951 --> 00:40:32,991
"Call the station."
809
00:40:33,077 --> 00:40:36,327
Simpson's on the run, traffic is stopped.
810
00:40:36,413 --> 00:40:38,623
They don't know if SWAT can intercept him
811
00:40:38,707 --> 00:40:41,127
before he gets to the Rockingham estate.
812
00:40:41,210 --> 00:40:43,960
"Get Roberts.
You guys are going to Rockingham."
813
00:40:44,964 --> 00:40:46,594
Get to the station,
814
00:40:46,674 --> 00:40:50,264
Roberts is already in the parking lot.
He's got my vest. We got a shotgun.
815
00:40:50,344 --> 00:40:53,564
We jump in the car,
we go to the Rockingham estate.
816
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:54,639
So where's the house?
817
00:40:55,224 --> 00:40:56,524
It's chaos.
818
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,600
[indistinct chatter and shouting]
819
00:41:02,106 --> 00:41:04,146
No more, no further! Just stay right here!
820
00:41:04,233 --> 00:41:08,073
We get a call.
"You got to set up a tactical situation."
821
00:41:08,153 --> 00:41:12,493
"If he gets to you before SWAT shows up,
you have to take him down."
822
00:41:13,409 --> 00:41:14,489
I said, "Okay."
823
00:41:15,911 --> 00:41:17,871
[Weireter] We're trying
to get to the house.
824
00:41:18,747 --> 00:41:19,867
We were really hustling.
825
00:41:21,166 --> 00:41:22,996
The magnitude hadn't hit me yet.
826
00:41:23,586 --> 00:41:25,336
The immensity of this moment.
827
00:41:26,297 --> 00:41:27,457
The nation was watching.
828
00:41:28,465 --> 00:41:30,875
Who would have thought
this could be that big?
829
00:41:33,304 --> 00:41:36,524
[woman 1] District Attorney
of Los Angeles, Mr. Gil Garcetti.
830
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:39,479
Will the fact that he has fled
make things worse for him?
831
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,940
Any time you have an accused who leaves,
832
00:41:43,856 --> 00:41:46,436
we believe shows a consciousness of guilt.
833
00:41:46,525 --> 00:41:48,935
[man 1] Now the car appears
to be moving over
834
00:41:49,028 --> 00:41:51,448
toward the slow lanes or the exit lane.
835
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:54,070
Now we're slowing down,
getting closer to Sunset.
836
00:41:54,158 --> 00:41:57,118
[woman 2] This is Sunset.
The vehicle is exiting.
837
00:41:57,202 --> 00:41:59,462
You can see cars pulled to the side.
838
00:42:00,289 --> 00:42:03,169
- [man 2] It passed 25 yards in front.
- [woman 1] What was that?
839
00:42:03,751 --> 00:42:05,541
This is just ABC network live coverage?
840
00:42:05,628 --> 00:42:06,748
- Yeah.
- [woman 1] Okay.
841
00:42:06,837 --> 00:42:08,087
CBS is trying to get it.
842
00:42:08,172 --> 00:42:10,382
[indistinct background chatter]
843
00:42:10,466 --> 00:42:12,756
- [sirens wailing]
- [dramatic music playing]
844
00:42:19,642 --> 00:42:21,642
[indistinct shouting]
845
00:42:24,229 --> 00:42:27,519
[woman 1] They've been cheering him on,
yelling "Go, Juice!"
846
00:42:27,608 --> 00:42:29,438
Chewing… Cheering him on?
847
00:42:29,943 --> 00:42:32,243
[male reporter] He pulled off at Sunset,
off the 405.
848
00:42:32,321 --> 00:42:34,451
He's on his way back toward Brentwood.
849
00:42:37,618 --> 00:42:39,078
{\an8}[Lange] Think about everybody else.
850
00:42:39,161 --> 00:42:41,751
{\an8}I can't do it here on the freeway.
I couldn't do it in a field.
851
00:42:41,830 --> 00:42:44,250
{\an8}I went to do it at her grave.
I want to do it at my house.
852
00:42:44,333 --> 00:42:46,043
{\an8}You're not going to do anything.
853
00:42:46,126 --> 00:42:47,456
{\an8}Too many people love you.
854
00:42:47,544 --> 00:42:49,634
{\an8}Your kids, your mother,
your friends, A.C., everybody.
855
00:42:49,713 --> 00:42:51,593
{\an8}You've got the whole world.
Don't throw it away.
856
00:42:51,674 --> 00:42:53,014
{\an8}- [sirens wailing]
- [music stops]
857
00:42:53,092 --> 00:42:55,142
{\an8}Don't throw it away, man. Come on.
858
00:42:55,219 --> 00:42:58,309
When Simpson got close,
they were trying to keep tabs.
859
00:42:58,389 --> 00:43:01,429
"Okay. He's on this road.
Okay, he's three mikes from you."
860
00:43:02,267 --> 00:43:05,347
[male reporter] Shortly, we are going
to be coming up on Rockingham.
861
00:43:05,437 --> 00:43:07,267
And that is Mr. Simpson's home.
862
00:43:08,315 --> 00:43:10,315
[tense music playing]
863
00:43:15,197 --> 00:43:16,907
He's heading to my house.
864
00:43:20,661 --> 00:43:22,331
I followed the procession.
865
00:43:22,955 --> 00:43:26,375
Exited off of the 405,
on to Sunset Boulevard.
866
00:43:26,458 --> 00:43:28,998
Got down by where
he turned in to go to Rockingham
867
00:43:29,086 --> 00:43:31,086
and it was just a dead stop.
868
00:43:31,171 --> 00:43:34,471
So I pulled into… somebody's house
869
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:36,590
and I just parked in their driveway.
870
00:43:36,677 --> 00:43:39,597
{\an8}You're listening to me and you're
thinking. I know you're thinking.
871
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,180
{\an8}- Oh.
- You're tired too, aren't you?
872
00:43:41,807 --> 00:43:43,347
{\an8}- I am so tired.
- I know. I know.
873
00:43:43,434 --> 00:43:44,774
{\an8}I just want to be with Nicole.
874
00:43:44,852 --> 00:43:46,772
{\an8}You don't need to be with Nicole.
875
00:43:46,854 --> 00:43:49,404
{\an8}You need to be with your family
and with your kids.
876
00:43:49,481 --> 00:43:51,531
[Lange] "Think about your kids,"
is what I tell him.
877
00:43:51,608 --> 00:43:54,068
"It's gonna be better,
we can work this out," type of stuff.
878
00:43:54,153 --> 00:43:55,533
"You got to get rid of the gun."
879
00:43:57,114 --> 00:43:59,454
We could actually hear
the helicopters coming.
880
00:43:59,533 --> 00:44:01,543
- [helicopters whirring]
- [sirens wailing]
881
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:04,409
At some point, cars coming.
882
00:44:04,496 --> 00:44:06,496
[sirens wailing]
883
00:44:07,666 --> 00:44:09,376
We were zigzagging through people,
884
00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:12,050
trying to get through
this motorcade of SWAT vehicles.
885
00:44:12,129 --> 00:44:13,509
[indistinct chatter]
886
00:44:15,174 --> 00:44:17,934
There was just…
hundreds and hundreds of people,
887
00:44:18,010 --> 00:44:20,010
and they were getting in the way.
888
00:44:20,095 --> 00:44:22,965
[male reporter] He's making a right turn.
I assume up into Brentwood Park
889
00:44:23,056 --> 00:44:27,346
and appears to be on the way to, uh…
either his home or very close to his home.
890
00:44:28,353 --> 00:44:29,943
[man] Fuck the police, yeah, fuck 'em!
891
00:44:30,022 --> 00:44:32,192
[indistinct chatter]
892
00:44:33,942 --> 00:44:36,152
[sirens wailing]
893
00:44:36,236 --> 00:44:38,276
Just at the last second…
894
00:44:38,363 --> 00:44:39,623
[man] SWAT team.
895
00:44:41,658 --> 00:44:42,488
Back me up.
896
00:44:42,576 --> 00:44:45,446
…SWAT rolls up, they come in the gate.
897
00:44:46,288 --> 00:44:49,538
One of the SWAT members,
he just goes, "We got it, Mark."
898
00:44:49,625 --> 00:44:51,835
And we got on
the other side of the brick wall.
899
00:44:51,919 --> 00:44:55,129
I have to calculate,
where will the car stop?
900
00:44:55,214 --> 00:44:56,764
How are we going to do this?
901
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,130
And we're all brainstorming
as fast as possible.
902
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,970
Most times I negotiate,
I would change into street clothes
903
00:45:03,055 --> 00:45:04,215
and not wear a uniform.
904
00:45:04,306 --> 00:45:05,386
I didn't have time.
905
00:45:05,474 --> 00:45:06,934
So it was a hurry-up offense.
906
00:45:07,017 --> 00:45:09,017
[sirens wailing]
907
00:45:12,314 --> 00:45:16,324
The SWAT comes in,
and then the Bronco shows up.
908
00:45:16,401 --> 00:45:17,491
It was like a ballet.
909
00:45:22,407 --> 00:45:24,657
{\an8}We're gonna let you go home.
Let you pull right inside.
910
00:45:24,743 --> 00:45:26,793
{\an8}All we need to see is
that gun come out the window.
911
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:29,920
{\an8}- I'm not gonna point it at anyone.
- I know that, man! I know that.
912
00:45:29,998 --> 00:45:31,458
{\an8}But you're scaring them anyway.
913
00:45:31,542 --> 00:45:33,042
{\an8}I'm not gonna point it at anyone.
914
00:45:34,044 --> 00:45:36,964
{\an8}Use your own discretion.
You take him down if you have to.
915
00:45:40,175 --> 00:45:42,425
Our plan had been, once he came in,
916
00:45:42,511 --> 00:45:46,101
we would shut the gate behind him,
and he was trapped in there.
917
00:45:46,181 --> 00:45:48,351
The Bronco pulled into Rockingham.
918
00:45:49,101 --> 00:45:50,311
We were ready to go.
919
00:45:51,353 --> 00:45:53,863
And then everything changed
right in front of our faces.
920
00:45:56,775 --> 00:45:58,395
[Lange] A.C. stops in the driveway.
921
00:45:59,069 --> 00:46:01,109
The snipers are looking at the Bronco.
922
00:46:01,780 --> 00:46:03,240
Please don't get out with a gun.
923
00:46:03,323 --> 00:46:04,873
{\an8}Juice, just toss the gun.
924
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:06,330
{\an8}[man shouting indistinctly]
925
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:07,490
{\an8}All right, just…
926
00:46:07,578 --> 00:46:09,448
{\an8}Who is that out there?
927
00:46:09,538 --> 00:46:10,368
{\an8}[woman] Uh-oh.
928
00:46:10,455 --> 00:46:13,745
[male reporter] Somebody's gone up.
Do not know who that person is.
929
00:46:13,834 --> 00:46:16,134
I thought it was a person from the crowd.
930
00:46:17,004 --> 00:46:20,674
[reporter] Officers are walking up
to the vehicle, carrying somebody away.
931
00:46:20,757 --> 00:46:22,127
I didn't know that was his son.
932
00:46:22,217 --> 00:46:23,637
[reporter] Carrying somebody…
933
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,009
We extracted him.
Pulled him into the house.
934
00:46:26,096 --> 00:46:29,096
[reporter] Officers are walking up
to the Bronco.
935
00:46:29,182 --> 00:46:32,982
{\an8}There's an Orange County Sheriff car
pulled in behind him, running its siren.
936
00:46:33,812 --> 00:46:37,442
And, at the same time, we're trying
to stop that officer who gets out
937
00:46:38,066 --> 00:46:40,566
and he's possibly gonna go up to the car.
938
00:46:40,652 --> 00:46:41,822
[sirens wailing]
939
00:46:41,904 --> 00:46:44,744
You had other officers outside
trying to keep the crowd back
940
00:46:44,823 --> 00:46:46,033
and keep the street clear.
941
00:46:46,116 --> 00:46:48,116
[tense music builds]
942
00:46:50,787 --> 00:46:55,667
There was probably
in excess of 15 helicopters in the air,
943
00:46:55,751 --> 00:47:00,261
and it's very difficult
to try to give direction to anybody.
944
00:47:00,339 --> 00:47:02,929
[man on scene] It's total chaos here.
945
00:47:03,008 --> 00:47:04,888
The entire world is focused on you.
946
00:47:07,179 --> 00:47:09,059
A little bit of added pressure there.
947
00:47:10,724 --> 00:47:13,234
You try and say,
"Okay, block all this out,
948
00:47:13,310 --> 00:47:14,600
it's time to get to work."
949
00:47:14,686 --> 00:47:16,606
[dramatic music plays]
950
00:47:16,688 --> 00:47:20,818
He waits in the car for several minutes…
and we don't know what's going on.
951
00:47:20,901 --> 00:47:24,031
I'm yelling at the phone.
He's not answering.
952
00:47:24,112 --> 00:47:25,822
[Cowlings] O.J., I beg you.
953
00:47:25,906 --> 00:47:26,736
{\an8}[Lange] Juice!
954
00:47:26,823 --> 00:47:29,163
{\an8}- [Cowlings] Don't do it, O.J.!
- Juice! Come on!
955
00:47:29,868 --> 00:47:30,738
{\an8}Juice!
956
00:47:30,827 --> 00:47:33,577
[Cowlings] Listen to me!
Listen to me, O.J. Listen!
957
00:47:33,664 --> 00:47:35,174
{\an8}[Lange] Juice! I'm still here!
958
00:47:37,459 --> 00:47:38,289
{\an8}Juice!
959
00:47:38,377 --> 00:47:40,707
{\an8}I beg you, man. O.J., no! No, O.J.!
960
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:42,840
{\an8}O.J.! Listen to him!
961
00:47:42,923 --> 00:47:46,593
I walked over and got to the barricades,
962
00:47:46,677 --> 00:47:50,637
and at that point, they were saying that
there was snipers. That SWAT was there.
963
00:47:50,722 --> 00:47:54,602
And that if O.J. got out of the Bronco
with the gun, they'd shoot him.
964
00:47:54,685 --> 00:47:58,305
So I went up to the barricade
where the police officers were.
965
00:47:58,397 --> 00:48:01,687
I said, "Look, my name is Mike Gilbert.
I'm O.J. Simpson's agent."
966
00:48:01,775 --> 00:48:03,525
"I can get him out of the Bronco."
967
00:48:04,611 --> 00:48:06,491
They said, "Absolutely not."
968
00:48:06,571 --> 00:48:09,871
And so I told all the cops
at the barricade, I said,
969
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:13,450
"You think LA got burned down
because of Rodney King?"
970
00:48:13,537 --> 00:48:18,377
"You shoot O.J. fucking Simpson…
and they're gonna burn everything down."
971
00:48:18,458 --> 00:48:20,838
[indistinct shouting]
972
00:48:20,919 --> 00:48:23,839
[crowd chanting] Free O.J.!
Free O.J.! Free O.J.!
973
00:48:24,756 --> 00:48:28,336
[Weireter] Al Cowlings starts jumping
in and out of the car. He wants to talk.
974
00:48:28,427 --> 00:48:30,177
And he was begging us
not to hurt his friend.
975
00:48:30,262 --> 00:48:32,892
And that his friend wouldn't hurt anybody.
976
00:48:32,973 --> 00:48:35,143
[male reporter 1] He's quite upset
at the moment.
977
00:48:35,225 --> 00:48:36,475
[male reporter 2] Emotional.
978
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,060
[Weireter] What I really need to do
is get him out of the way
979
00:48:39,146 --> 00:48:42,226
so I can speak directly to Mr. Simpson.
980
00:48:42,941 --> 00:48:46,821
We finally convinced Al Cowlings
to come in to us and talk to us.
981
00:48:49,322 --> 00:48:51,742
I'm yelling,
"I'm gonna call you on the phone."
982
00:48:51,825 --> 00:48:55,075
"This is who you're gonna be speaking to."
And I showed myself.
983
00:48:56,705 --> 00:48:59,035
As you look around the foyer,
984
00:48:59,124 --> 00:49:02,344
there's a statue of O.J.'s Heisman
in the middle of the room.
985
00:49:02,419 --> 00:49:03,669
You can't help but notice it.
986
00:49:03,754 --> 00:49:07,724
And all the pictures
are celebrities and him.
987
00:49:07,799 --> 00:49:09,179
Everything is him.
988
00:49:09,259 --> 00:49:14,219
And I just thought, well, if we appeal
to his ego and that narcissism,
989
00:49:14,306 --> 00:49:15,596
this might be a way in.
990
00:49:18,018 --> 00:49:19,728
The sun is going down in the west.
991
00:49:19,811 --> 00:49:21,151
It's getting dark.
992
00:49:21,646 --> 00:49:23,646
[music intensifies]
993
00:49:25,984 --> 00:49:29,614
[phone ringing and beeping]
994
00:49:30,614 --> 00:49:34,954
I dialed him up and was talking to him.
Mostly I listened. I just kept listening.
995
00:49:35,035 --> 00:49:37,825
He was apologizing
for causing this commotion.
996
00:49:38,413 --> 00:49:39,923
Had mentioned his children,
997
00:49:39,998 --> 00:49:43,538
and I said, "You can't let the children
have another tragedy in their lives."
998
00:49:43,627 --> 00:49:47,007
And he just went right back to himself.
He didn't want to talk about that.
999
00:49:47,089 --> 00:49:48,759
He was also commenting that,
1000
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,720
"I can't believe
how many people are all over the place."
1001
00:49:52,385 --> 00:49:55,845
As we started
to talk more about the surrender process,
1002
00:49:55,931 --> 00:49:58,231
I think it got through to him that,
1003
00:49:58,308 --> 00:50:00,638
"I can look good here
if I do this just right."
1004
00:50:01,228 --> 00:50:03,108
- [man] Yes.
- [woman] We may have something.
1005
00:50:03,188 --> 00:50:04,108
[man] Okay.
1006
00:50:04,189 --> 00:50:09,189
I tried to convince him
that he could really save face
1007
00:50:09,277 --> 00:50:12,857
if he came out and walked to us.
1008
00:50:12,948 --> 00:50:18,948
He would be able to stand tall
and show the world on TV.
1009
00:50:19,037 --> 00:50:22,457
I said, "I'll shake your hand, okay,
and then we'll go in the house."
1010
00:50:23,625 --> 00:50:26,835
"You can't come out of the car with
anything. We don't want confusion here."
1011
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,090
"We don't want somebody thinking
you're armed. So leave it in the car."
1012
00:50:31,466 --> 00:50:33,216
If somebody comes out with a gun…
1013
00:50:33,301 --> 00:50:34,931
They're gonna shoot him. Simple.
1014
00:50:35,011 --> 00:50:36,561
That's the way it works.
1015
00:50:36,638 --> 00:50:38,848
- [reporter] Movement on the ground.
- [officer] Code 4.
1016
00:50:38,932 --> 00:50:40,392
[Weireter] He started to get out,
1017
00:50:40,475 --> 00:50:42,935
and I said, "Wait a minute,
what's he got in his hand?"
1018
00:50:43,645 --> 00:50:46,145
I said, "Put it down.
Whatever you have, put it down."
1019
00:50:46,731 --> 00:50:51,191
Then I realized it was a picture
of Nicole with a metal frame.
1020
00:50:54,573 --> 00:50:57,873
He walked over to me,
and that was when I arrested him.
1021
00:50:57,951 --> 00:51:01,451
[male reporter 1] O.J. is in custody.
We understand O.J. is in custody.
1022
00:51:01,538 --> 00:51:03,708
[male reporter 2] O.J. Simpson
has surrendered.
1023
00:51:03,790 --> 00:51:05,420
Fortunately, it ended peacefully.
1024
00:51:05,500 --> 00:51:07,630
O.J. Simpson is in custody.
1025
00:51:07,711 --> 00:51:09,051
[Lange] So now we've got him.
1026
00:51:09,129 --> 00:51:10,009
Relief.
1027
00:51:10,672 --> 00:51:12,632
Everybody's safe. Nobody got shot.
1028
00:51:12,716 --> 00:51:14,336
They're gonna bring him back to us.
1029
00:51:14,426 --> 00:51:16,756
[Weireter] We let him
into the house completely
1030
00:51:16,845 --> 00:51:18,345
and sat him down on the couch.
1031
00:51:19,931 --> 00:51:22,641
I promised him
that he could speak to his mother.
1032
00:51:23,226 --> 00:51:25,396
It got overwhelmed
with people into that room.
1033
00:51:25,478 --> 00:51:28,648
His lawyers came in the room,
some high-up police officials.
1034
00:51:28,732 --> 00:51:30,402
He's sitting there and I said,
1035
00:51:30,483 --> 00:51:33,953
"I'm sorry, but he should be
in handcuffs right now."
1036
00:51:34,029 --> 00:51:35,489
"Why are we doing this?"
1037
00:51:35,572 --> 00:51:37,032
So he was handcuffed.
1038
00:51:38,074 --> 00:51:42,414
We made the decision to basically
motorcade down to Parker Center
1039
00:51:42,495 --> 00:51:44,155
and book him into our facility.
1040
00:51:44,247 --> 00:51:46,877
We had to get the gates open,
get the vehicles in position.
1041
00:51:46,958 --> 00:51:50,588
They knew something was gonna happen.
So the media and the crowds are moving.
1042
00:51:50,670 --> 00:51:51,880
[dramatic music playing]
1043
00:51:51,963 --> 00:51:53,973
[crowd shouting indistinctly]
1044
00:51:55,508 --> 00:51:59,048
The minute we pulled out,
people started pouring out of the bushes.
1045
00:51:59,137 --> 00:52:01,097
They were approaching the car.
1046
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,560
And we were riding in the car,
and O.J. said,
1047
00:52:04,643 --> 00:52:07,403
"What are all
these N-words doing in Brentwood?"
1048
00:52:08,730 --> 00:52:10,440
We were a little bit shocked.
1049
00:52:10,523 --> 00:52:14,443
I waited at the barricade
when they did arrest O.J.
1050
00:52:14,527 --> 00:52:17,777
He was in between the two officers
in the back seat of the car.
1051
00:52:19,241 --> 00:52:21,531
He was five or six feet away.
1052
00:52:22,118 --> 00:52:26,078
As the car went by,
he didn't see me, but I saw him.
1053
00:52:26,164 --> 00:52:29,634
And looking at his face, uh, was
1054
00:52:30,543 --> 00:52:33,963
heartbreaking because he was so… drained.
1055
00:52:34,047 --> 00:52:35,337
There was nothing there.
1056
00:52:35,423 --> 00:52:38,723
That "it" factor, that thing was gone.
1057
00:52:38,802 --> 00:52:41,392
My dad and I both absolutely
wanted it to end peacefully
1058
00:52:41,471 --> 00:52:42,811
because we wanted to go to court.
1059
00:52:42,889 --> 00:52:45,559
We figured that was the only way
we were gonna find the truth.
1060
00:52:45,642 --> 00:52:48,982
I'm thinking, jeez, now somebody's
got to try the son of a bitch.
1061
00:52:49,479 --> 00:52:51,189
A lot of activity
around the Brentwood home.
1062
00:52:51,273 --> 00:52:52,693
Here, as you can see behind me,
1063
00:52:52,774 --> 00:52:55,494
Robert Shapiro,
the attorney of O.J. Simpson,
1064
00:52:55,568 --> 00:52:58,908
coming down to give
some kind of live press conference.
1065
00:52:58,989 --> 00:53:02,409
I would also, at this point in time,
1066
00:53:02,492 --> 00:53:04,872
like to ask all members of the public
1067
00:53:05,412 --> 00:53:09,332
to please reserve
any judgment on this case
1068
00:53:09,416 --> 00:53:13,916
until the evidence is reviewed
and presented in a court of law.
1069
00:53:14,004 --> 00:53:17,724
{\an8}With all of the questions about the public
symphony… sympathy for Mr. Simpson,
1070
00:53:17,799 --> 00:53:19,179
{\an8}we should not forget the fact
1071
00:53:19,259 --> 00:53:21,549
{\an8}that we have two victims
who were brutally slain.
1072
00:53:21,636 --> 00:53:24,006
We searched the Bronco itself.
1073
00:53:24,764 --> 00:53:28,064
And we found $8,000 in cash,
1074
00:53:28,143 --> 00:53:30,443
a gun, his passport,
1075
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,440
his mobile phone, a disguise kit.
1076
00:53:42,324 --> 00:53:45,244
[Weireter] I had to take him
to Parker Center, to our jail,
1077
00:53:45,327 --> 00:53:46,447
book him in.
1078
00:53:54,919 --> 00:53:58,339
O.J. Simpson, in police custody,
in Los Angeles.
1079
00:53:58,423 --> 00:54:00,013
Two counts of murder.
1080
00:54:06,264 --> 00:54:08,274
[music stops]
1081
00:54:08,808 --> 00:54:10,308
[gentle music playing]
1082
00:54:15,357 --> 00:54:17,527
[crowd shouting indistinctly]
1083
00:54:21,654 --> 00:54:23,074
[male reporter] Okay, here we go.
1084
00:54:23,156 --> 00:54:25,826
He just went into
the Spring Street entrance.
1085
00:54:25,909 --> 00:54:29,289
He's going up to the 11th floor
of the criminal courthouse to…
1086
00:54:29,371 --> 00:54:30,961
for the arraignment this morning.
1087
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:33,459
{\an8}Are you ready to go forward
with the arraignment at this time?
1088
00:54:33,541 --> 00:54:35,461
{\an8}- Yes, Your Honor.
- All right.
1089
00:54:36,086 --> 00:54:38,296
{\an8}- Want Mr. Simpson to stand, Your Honor?
- Please.
1090
00:54:40,298 --> 00:54:43,008
{\an8}Mr. Orenthal Simpson,
is that your true name, sir?
1091
00:54:46,304 --> 00:54:47,974
{\an8}Please speak up so you may be heard.
1092
00:54:48,056 --> 00:54:49,176
{\an8}Uh, yes.
1093
00:54:50,892 --> 00:54:52,232
Pardon me, I'm sorry.
1094
00:54:52,310 --> 00:54:54,060
{\an8}- May we start all over?
- Yes.
1095
00:54:55,063 --> 00:54:57,443
Nobody really beats murder cases.
1096
00:54:57,524 --> 00:54:58,534
Not really.
1097
00:54:59,317 --> 00:55:03,907
{\an8}You committed a crime of murder
in violation of Penal Code section 187(a).
1098
00:55:04,447 --> 00:55:07,367
{\an8}And that he did willfully and unlawfully
and with malice and forethought
1099
00:55:07,450 --> 00:55:09,120
{\an8}murder Nicole Brown Simpson.
1100
00:55:10,537 --> 00:55:16,957
The evidence is starting to tell a story
that can only be one of two things.
1101
00:55:17,043 --> 00:55:18,633
That you were present at the scene
1102
00:55:18,711 --> 00:55:21,881
and you were trying
to defend Nicole and Ron
1103
00:55:21,965 --> 00:55:23,085
or you were the suspect.
1104
00:55:23,174 --> 00:55:26,644
But you participated
in what took place there
1105
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,559
to actually acquire all the blood,
including your own.
1106
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:31,309
And how did you cut your finger?
1107
00:55:31,891 --> 00:55:35,601
{\an8}…that he did personally use
a deadly and dangerous weapon, a knife.
1108
00:55:35,687 --> 00:55:36,767
He's your guy.
1109
00:55:37,647 --> 00:55:38,937
[mysterious music playing]
1110
00:55:39,023 --> 00:55:42,113
Bob Shapiro, in those days,
1111
00:55:42,193 --> 00:55:44,573
was known as a celebrity lawyer.
1112
00:55:45,155 --> 00:55:50,235
And we criminal lawyers kind of
looked down on celebrity lawyers
1113
00:55:50,326 --> 00:55:54,246
because they were known more as fixers
1114
00:55:54,831 --> 00:55:58,961
than lawyers who were
in the trenches doing the hard work.
1115
00:55:59,043 --> 00:56:01,173
{\an8}And have you discussed those charges
with your lawyers?
1116
00:56:01,254 --> 00:56:02,594
{\an8}- Yes.
- Yes.
1117
00:56:03,131 --> 00:56:06,221
{\an8}At this time, do you wish
to enter a plea, guilty or not guilty?
1118
00:56:06,301 --> 00:56:08,091
{\an8}- Not guilty.
- Not guilty.
1119
00:56:08,178 --> 00:56:11,758
Typically, you expect something like this
to come to trial in a couple of years.
1120
00:56:11,848 --> 00:56:13,268
Your Honor, at this time,
1121
00:56:13,349 --> 00:56:16,019
we would request
under the law that we have
1122
00:56:16,102 --> 00:56:17,772
a hearing as soon as possible,
1123
00:56:17,854 --> 00:56:20,984
and certainly within
the next ten days as provided by law.
1124
00:56:21,065 --> 00:56:22,895
Everything was moving quick,
1125
00:56:22,984 --> 00:56:26,864
and Shapiro consciously chose
1126
00:56:26,946 --> 00:56:31,696
not to waive time…
and to ask for a speedy trial.
1127
00:56:32,535 --> 00:56:36,615
I think the prosecution
expected the defense to delay,
1128
00:56:37,540 --> 00:56:39,750
and they did the opposite.
1129
00:56:39,834 --> 00:56:41,674
Making everything happen fast,
1130
00:56:41,753 --> 00:56:44,553
because when you do things quickly,
you make mistakes.
1131
00:56:44,631 --> 00:56:49,181
They knew it would take a long time
to process the evidence in this case.
1132
00:56:49,260 --> 00:56:53,140
They pushed forward,
asserted his right to speedy trial,
1133
00:56:53,223 --> 00:56:57,643
and when they did that, they really put
the prosecution in a difficult position.
1134
00:56:57,727 --> 00:57:01,267
It was brilliant strategy by Bob Shapiro.
1135
00:57:02,482 --> 00:57:04,072
I'll give him credit for that.
1136
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:08,450
But it was clear
Bob Shapiro had not developed
1137
00:57:08,530 --> 00:57:13,120
a reputation as a trial dog, if you will.
1138
00:57:13,201 --> 00:57:19,211
Bob Shapiro had not had a collection
of experience trying murder cases.
1139
00:57:19,791 --> 00:57:22,421
It was clear that Johnnie Cochran did.
1140
00:57:23,002 --> 00:57:24,842
Shapiro was more of a negotiator.
1141
00:57:24,921 --> 00:57:26,921
Johnnie was a trial attorney.
1142
00:57:27,006 --> 00:57:30,756
This tragedy has to be
stopped at some point.
1143
00:57:30,843 --> 00:57:33,053
He was originally the first choice.
1144
00:57:33,137 --> 00:57:36,637
He was always going to be added.
1145
00:57:36,724 --> 00:57:38,354
We talked with O.J.'s people
1146
00:57:38,434 --> 00:57:40,314
and then we talked with Bob Shapiro.
1147
00:57:40,395 --> 00:57:44,355
And together, an understanding was reached
1148
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,280
that we would be working together.
1149
00:57:46,359 --> 00:57:47,989
- [dramatic music]
- [indistinct chatter]
1150
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:51,859
[Shapiro] He'll be part of the team and
participate equally with everybody else.
1151
00:57:51,948 --> 00:57:55,368
Being an African-American lawyer,
being an African-American client,
1152
00:57:55,451 --> 00:58:00,081
we thought that would be a natural,
understandable connection.
1153
00:58:00,164 --> 00:58:02,794
Everyone looked up to Johnnie
1154
00:58:02,875 --> 00:58:09,085
because he stood firm
against injustices involving the police.
1155
00:58:09,173 --> 00:58:11,223
[Darden] He was a civil rights attorney.
1156
00:58:11,301 --> 00:58:12,301
He was respected.
1157
00:58:12,385 --> 00:58:14,465
There was a lot of talk that O.J. Simpson
1158
00:58:14,554 --> 00:58:17,314
wasn't very connected
to the Black community.
1159
00:58:17,390 --> 00:58:21,810
So now he has this lawyer
who is very much a part of that community.
1160
00:58:22,437 --> 00:58:25,357
Cochran provided
a kind of respect for O.J.
1161
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,610
that O.J. could never have gotten himself.
1162
00:58:27,692 --> 00:58:29,822
Cochran gave O.J. Simpson value.
1163
00:58:30,403 --> 00:58:32,413
[tense music playing]
1164
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O.J. had the financial wherewithal
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to combat the awesome power
of the State with his own funds.
1166
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He said, "I'm smart enough to know
I'm not the smartest man in the room."
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"I hire the smartest people in the room."
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As much as I admired Cochran,
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I admired the complete
assembly of lawyers even more.
1170
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He had the greatest collection of talent
that had ever been assembled.
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{\an8}F. Lee Bailey, one of my personal heroes.
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{\an8}Later, Alan Dershowitz
and his entire class at Harvard.
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{\an8}[Douglas] There was Barry Scheck
and Peter Neufeld
1174
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{\an8}who were DNA experts from New York.
1175
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I would say 16 or 17 people were involved
in helping to defend O.J. Simpson.
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He was positioned in a way that
was unlike anything that I had ever seen.
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O.J., being an athlete,
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looks at everything
through sports analogies.
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He would say, "You're the quarterback,
he's the running back…
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make the hole, y'all working together."
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[male reporter] His lawyers were often
referred to as the Dream Team.
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We're the dream team.
We're number one. Come on!
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Prosecution ain't got nothing on us.
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- We're the best.
- That's right. We're bad.
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[Douglas] Before Johnnie Cochran
was involved in the case,
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he was commenting about
the mountain of evidence
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that was being introduced
against O.J. Simpson.
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I think it's significant,
but I think it can be obviously explained.
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And how it might appear
that perhaps he was responsible
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for the death of these two people.
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A bloody trail from the bodies
to the back carport and then his car.
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The Bronco's at his house with blood
on the outside and on the inside,
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then a blood trail up the driveway.
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The killer having a cut
on his or her hand.
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And, you know,
this all comes together and kind of fits.
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We nicknamed this the turkey on a platter.
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Here it is. It's all there.
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It's almost too much.
1199
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O.J. Simpson was
a unique circumstance, man.
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It was a case where there was more
evidence than I had ever seen in my life.
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I analogized it to…
a big-ass bowl of spaghetti.
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You're given a big bowl
of spaghetti to eat.
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And you start eating
that big-ass bowl of spaghetti,
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and all of a sudden, as you're eating,
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you come across a roach in that spaghetti.
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What?
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There's a roach
in this big-ass bowl of spaghetti.
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01:01:24,869 --> 01:01:29,209
Now, do you continue
eating that spaghetti?
1209
01:01:29,916 --> 01:01:32,126
Or do you throw out the entire bowl
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01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:34,920
because the spaghetti
has now been tainted?
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[tense, dramatic music playing]
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[music fades out]