1 00:00:06,111 --> 00:00:08,111 [TV static] 2 00:00:11,116 --> 00:00:12,946 [ominous music playing] 3 00:00:13,034 --> 00:00:16,334 [man] When it became clear that there was gonna be a ton of DNA evidence 4 00:00:16,412 --> 00:00:17,752 in the Simpson case, 5 00:00:18,373 --> 00:00:20,633 who you gonna call? They called me. 6 00:00:21,584 --> 00:00:26,134 The first DNA tests started being done in like 1988, 1989. 7 00:00:26,214 --> 00:00:27,884 In 1994, it was quite new. 8 00:00:28,758 --> 00:00:31,758 I began writing early on about DNA evidence 9 00:00:31,845 --> 00:00:34,635 when it was first introduced in the legal system, 10 00:00:34,722 --> 00:00:37,482 so I became known as kind of a "DNA expert." 11 00:00:37,559 --> 00:00:40,479 …figure out that somebody who's been sent to prison for 25 years 12 00:00:40,562 --> 00:00:41,562 is likely to be innocent. 13 00:00:41,646 --> 00:00:42,766 I jumped at the chance. 14 00:00:42,856 --> 00:00:45,356 I thought there was far more DNA evidence against Simpson 15 00:00:45,441 --> 00:00:47,571 than I had ever seen in any other case. 16 00:00:48,194 --> 00:00:50,454 Most cases, there are one, two, three samples. 17 00:00:50,530 --> 00:00:53,160 This case, there were well over 50 samples. 18 00:00:54,534 --> 00:00:58,874 {\an8}It was Barry Scheck who started thinking about the case a different way 19 00:00:58,955 --> 00:01:02,375 and started asking what I think of as the magic question. 20 00:01:02,458 --> 00:01:06,458 How can we explain this evidence in a way that's consistent with innocence? 21 00:01:07,046 --> 00:01:08,966 What story can we tell? 22 00:01:09,591 --> 00:01:13,091 It was very clear that it had to involve the planting of evidence 23 00:01:13,178 --> 00:01:16,808 and possibly also would have involved contamination of evidence. 24 00:01:17,390 --> 00:01:20,770 I was initially skeptical of some of what Scheck was arguing. 25 00:01:20,852 --> 00:01:23,482 Is it possible they could have planted this, you know? 26 00:01:23,563 --> 00:01:25,523 Would somebody have done this? 27 00:01:25,607 --> 00:01:28,987 I think Shapiro thought if we went to trial, we would lose, 28 00:01:29,068 --> 00:01:31,448 and so let's just make the best bargain for O.J. 29 00:01:31,529 --> 00:01:33,779 That was his initial impression. 30 00:01:33,865 --> 00:01:37,405 I think Cochran's impression is, "Damn it, let's try this thing." 31 00:01:38,244 --> 00:01:41,714 [Douglas] Johnnie never had a conversation about O.J. pleading, 32 00:01:41,789 --> 00:01:44,499 {\an8}"The DNA is too tough. We can't win." 33 00:01:44,584 --> 00:01:48,424 {\an8}Never. That wasn't Johnnie's makeup. 34 00:01:49,172 --> 00:01:52,382 [Thompson] Cochran found Scheck's theory completely believable. 35 00:01:52,467 --> 00:01:56,297 Cochran was saying, "I've been practicing in this jurisdiction for all these years, 36 00:01:56,387 --> 00:01:58,347 this kind of shit happens all the time." 37 00:01:58,431 --> 00:01:59,811 "Of course they did this." 38 00:01:59,891 --> 00:02:02,391 This is LA, man. We're in Chinatown now. 39 00:02:03,019 --> 00:02:05,519 Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown. 40 00:02:05,605 --> 00:02:07,355 Part of what you need for a story, 41 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,190 if people are doing bad things, there needs to be a motive. 42 00:02:10,276 --> 00:02:12,026 And so, enter Fuhrman. 43 00:02:13,238 --> 00:02:16,738 [tense, dramatic music playing] 44 00:02:24,749 --> 00:02:27,959 We begin with Jeff Toobin. He's a lawyer and former prosecutor. 45 00:02:31,714 --> 00:02:35,594 [Toobin] I graduated from Harvard Law School in 1986. 46 00:02:35,677 --> 00:02:39,057 For six years, I was a federal prosecutor. 47 00:02:39,138 --> 00:02:43,348 And in 1993, I joined the staff of The New Yorker, 48 00:02:43,434 --> 00:02:45,774 a year before the O.J. case started. 49 00:02:45,853 --> 00:02:48,863 There are hundreds of journalists there. What could I possibly add? 50 00:02:48,940 --> 00:02:50,440 But I did know Alan Dershowitz. 51 00:02:51,150 --> 00:02:53,990 Alan Dershowitz was my criminal law professor at Harvard Law School, 52 00:02:54,070 --> 00:02:56,530 and he was part of the defense team. 53 00:02:56,614 --> 00:02:59,874 So I called Alan and I said, "What's interesting about this case?" 54 00:02:59,951 --> 00:03:03,201 And Alan said, "Well, you know, this Mark Fuhrman, 55 00:03:04,289 --> 00:03:06,419 he's a bad guy, this detective." 56 00:03:06,499 --> 00:03:08,379 [tense music playing] 57 00:03:08,459 --> 00:03:12,379 The credibility of the witnesses is always central. 58 00:03:13,756 --> 00:03:18,386 Fuhrman had recovered a central piece of evidence. 59 00:03:19,595 --> 00:03:21,755 The glove at Rockingham. 60 00:03:22,473 --> 00:03:26,063 I thought, "Well, if he is in fact a bad cop, 61 00:03:26,728 --> 00:03:28,728 maybe there are lawsuits against him." 62 00:03:28,813 --> 00:03:30,823 But that's not what I found. 63 00:03:30,898 --> 00:03:34,488 I found a case where Mark Fuhrman was the plaintiff. 64 00:03:34,569 --> 00:03:38,279 And I saw that he had filed a lawsuit 65 00:03:38,364 --> 00:03:42,414 asking for a pension from the city of LA 66 00:03:42,493 --> 00:03:46,213 on the grounds that he was such a racist 67 00:03:46,289 --> 00:03:50,789 that he was incapable of functioning as an appropriate police officer. 68 00:03:50,877 --> 00:03:53,627 He felt feelings of rage and anger 69 00:03:53,713 --> 00:03:57,723 at the minority communities in which he had been assigned. 70 00:03:58,801 --> 00:04:00,601 And he used the N-word. 71 00:04:00,678 --> 00:04:03,348 And he used it several times. 72 00:04:03,431 --> 00:04:07,811 It is basically Fuhrman saying that he felt the urge to kill people. 73 00:04:07,894 --> 00:04:13,484 If the lead detective talks about feelings that he has against African Americans, 74 00:04:13,566 --> 00:04:16,566 that is an issue that is relevant. 75 00:04:17,612 --> 00:04:20,202 {\an8}[Fuhrman] There was a period in my life. 76 00:04:20,281 --> 00:04:23,281 {\an8}I talked about minorities in derogatory terms. 77 00:04:23,368 --> 00:04:24,368 {\an8}I was… 78 00:04:25,787 --> 00:04:28,157 I was kind of lost. And I was angry. 79 00:04:29,665 --> 00:04:32,705 I didn't know how it played into the facts of the case. 80 00:04:32,794 --> 00:04:37,884 So I was determined to try to find Robert Shapiro. 81 00:04:42,053 --> 00:04:44,603 {\an8}We're getting ready to prepare for trial. 82 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,230 [Toobin] I snuck into his office, and I said to him, 83 00:04:48,309 --> 00:04:51,649 "I saw this incredible thing about Mark Fuhrman." 84 00:04:51,729 --> 00:04:54,819 And before too long, he said, "If you think that's bad, 85 00:04:54,899 --> 00:04:58,739 we think he planted the bloody glove at O.J.'s house." 86 00:04:58,820 --> 00:05:00,240 [music intensifies] 87 00:05:01,906 --> 00:05:04,776 And that's when I knew I really had a story. 88 00:05:07,412 --> 00:05:09,162 [Darden] The Fuhrman article comes out. 89 00:05:10,498 --> 00:05:12,878 {\an8}Now that became a huge, huge problem. 90 00:05:15,878 --> 00:05:18,628 Everybody wanted to use the case to tell their own story. 91 00:05:19,215 --> 00:05:21,005 What Shapiro thought was the best strategy 92 00:05:21,092 --> 00:05:24,932 was to filter everything through a racist lens. 93 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,220 They're coming after me. 94 00:05:28,307 --> 00:05:29,597 - I can feel it. - [music stops] 95 00:05:29,684 --> 00:05:33,064 I am now walking around with a target on my back. 96 00:05:33,563 --> 00:05:35,573 [tense music playing] 97 00:05:36,107 --> 00:05:39,647 Because of Mark Fuhrman and his background, 98 00:05:39,735 --> 00:05:43,235 race had to be front and center 99 00:05:43,322 --> 00:05:45,872 because the circumstances dictated that way. 100 00:05:49,036 --> 00:05:51,866 {\an8}The murder took place in West Los Angeles. 101 00:05:52,373 --> 00:05:55,883 {\an8}And as a result, you could have filed that case 102 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,960 in the Santa Monica Los Angeles County Courthouse 103 00:06:01,549 --> 00:06:04,889 and it would have been a more white jury. 104 00:06:07,597 --> 00:06:13,137 {\an8}This case, were it not for the publicity, would have been held in west Los Angeles. 105 00:06:13,227 --> 00:06:16,767 The man who will decide on how to go about prosecuting O.J. Simpson 106 00:06:16,856 --> 00:06:19,776 is the Los Angeles District Attorney, Gil Garcetti. 107 00:06:19,859 --> 00:06:25,909 {\an8}Our concern here truly is that you have 12 jurors, whoever they may be, 108 00:06:25,990 --> 00:06:28,120 {\an8}gender, race, doesn't make any difference, 109 00:06:29,285 --> 00:06:30,695 that are truly fair. 110 00:06:30,786 --> 00:06:34,786 Gil Garcetti had just gone through the Rodney King trial. 111 00:06:37,710 --> 00:06:41,260 Changing the venue from Los Angeles to Simi Valley 112 00:06:41,339 --> 00:06:45,589 was the greatest reason for that atrocious verdict. 113 00:06:45,676 --> 00:06:47,756 [man] Not guilty of the crime of assault. 114 00:06:49,180 --> 00:06:53,390 And Gil was hypersensitive to that claim of unfairness. 115 00:06:53,476 --> 00:06:54,976 [indistinct shouting] 116 00:06:55,061 --> 00:06:56,191 [sirens wail] 117 00:06:56,771 --> 00:07:02,571 {\an8}We think it's absolutely essential that O.J. Simpson be tried by a jury 118 00:07:02,652 --> 00:07:06,282 {\an8}that's representative of the immense diversity of this city, 119 00:07:06,364 --> 00:07:07,874 {\an8}including African Americans. 120 00:07:09,116 --> 00:07:14,116 Gil wanted to believe that a fair verdict could be everywhere. 121 00:07:14,205 --> 00:07:17,035 Black people convict Black people of murder 122 00:07:17,124 --> 00:07:20,004 every day in downtown Los Angeles. 123 00:07:20,086 --> 00:07:22,586 [dramatic music playing] 124 00:07:24,340 --> 00:07:28,050 [Darden] It wasn't my case at that time, so it wasn't my call. 125 00:07:28,135 --> 00:07:30,845 But we as prosecutors should not say, 126 00:07:30,930 --> 00:07:33,640 "We won't move the case to Downtown LA, 127 00:07:33,724 --> 00:07:36,144 because there will be a lot of Black jurors." 128 00:07:36,644 --> 00:07:39,154 That's discrimination. That's racist. 129 00:07:39,939 --> 00:07:43,319 At the same time, this is not a jury pool that you want. 130 00:07:45,695 --> 00:07:46,945 [tense music playing] 131 00:07:47,947 --> 00:07:50,987 [Toobin] It is often said by trial lawyers 132 00:07:51,075 --> 00:07:54,245 that cases are won and lost in jury selection. 133 00:07:54,328 --> 00:07:56,158 Do you honestly feel that you can get 134 00:07:56,247 --> 00:07:59,247 12 people who can put everything they've seen and read about this case 135 00:07:59,333 --> 00:08:02,343 outside the courtroom door and consider only the evidence? 136 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:04,630 I'm hopeful that we can, yes, very hopeful. 137 00:08:04,714 --> 00:08:06,844 [Darden] Marcia Clark was an experienced lawyer, 138 00:08:06,924 --> 00:08:09,514 experienced at picking juries in that courthouse. 139 00:08:09,594 --> 00:08:12,934 Marcia knew that if you take your time and do it right, 140 00:08:13,014 --> 00:08:17,274 picking the right jurors can make a huge difference, 141 00:08:17,351 --> 00:08:19,441 huge difference in the outcome of the case. 142 00:08:20,187 --> 00:08:25,277 These are such racially-charged times in this racially-charged city. 143 00:08:25,359 --> 00:08:26,859 You want to be careful, 144 00:08:26,944 --> 00:08:31,074 and you want to select jurors who are open-minded enough 145 00:08:31,157 --> 00:08:33,777 to be receptive to the prosecution's case. 146 00:08:34,702 --> 00:08:36,292 [woman] I received a jury summons. 147 00:08:37,121 --> 00:08:39,211 It wasn't until I got to the criminal courthouse 148 00:08:39,290 --> 00:08:41,580 I realized it was gonna be the O.J. Simpson trial. 149 00:08:42,460 --> 00:08:45,420 We were given a questionnaire, and it was 79 pages. 150 00:08:45,963 --> 00:08:48,763 They were trying to see if we could be unbiased, 151 00:08:48,841 --> 00:08:50,931 if we had any feelings towards police. 152 00:08:51,844 --> 00:08:54,644 At the time, I had plenty of friends that were police officers, 153 00:08:54,722 --> 00:08:58,232 and actually I had a friend who was a police officer who was murdered, 154 00:08:58,309 --> 00:09:01,729 and for that reason alone, I didn't think I was going to be selected. 155 00:09:03,230 --> 00:09:05,520 [Douglas] We found from our research 156 00:09:05,608 --> 00:09:10,028 that Black women were the best jurors for O.J. Simpson. 157 00:09:10,905 --> 00:09:13,065 And that was counterintuitive 158 00:09:13,157 --> 00:09:17,037 because O.J. wasn't connected with the Black community. 159 00:09:17,119 --> 00:09:21,249 O.J. had left his Black wife for this young white woman. 160 00:09:23,250 --> 00:09:30,090 Historically, Marcia had done well in her practice with Black women jurors. 161 00:09:30,174 --> 00:09:31,594 They connected. 162 00:09:31,676 --> 00:09:35,506 She got convictions of Black defendants with Black women. 163 00:09:36,180 --> 00:09:42,560 But Black women understood, uniquely, the unfairness and the distrust 164 00:09:42,645 --> 00:09:46,815 of African American men and the police in Los Angeles. 165 00:09:47,316 --> 00:09:51,146 The jury consultant that the prosecution retained said, 166 00:09:51,237 --> 00:09:53,907 "Black women are your worst jurors." 167 00:09:53,989 --> 00:09:58,659 But Marcia just didn't buy it, and she trusted her instincts. 168 00:09:58,744 --> 00:10:01,214 [Douglas] She was a fierce competitor. 169 00:10:01,288 --> 00:10:03,208 She didn't care what nobody said. 170 00:10:03,290 --> 00:10:06,130 She was going to do whatever she thought was right. 171 00:10:07,795 --> 00:10:10,965 {\an8}[O.J. Simpson] The most interesting thing about this entire process… 172 00:10:11,048 --> 00:10:14,838 {\an8}and I never, ever, in my life looked at race. 173 00:10:14,927 --> 00:10:17,717 {\an8}When I sit in that jury room, I'm counting the Blacks in the room. 174 00:10:17,805 --> 00:10:19,715 {\an8}I never knew how many Blacks was in a room. 175 00:10:19,807 --> 00:10:23,017 {\an8}Now I'm counting the Blacks in the room. I'm counting the Asians in the room. 176 00:10:23,102 --> 00:10:28,822 {\an8}The system has forced me to look at things racially. 177 00:10:28,899 --> 00:10:31,149 Two months for jury selection 178 00:10:31,235 --> 00:10:35,695 and 250 people interviewed is an eternity. 179 00:10:36,407 --> 00:10:40,197 [female reporter 1] The lengthy process of picking a jury for the O.J. Simpson trial 180 00:10:40,286 --> 00:10:41,826 moves into its second day. 181 00:10:41,912 --> 00:10:43,912 [female reporter 2] The jury pool is very diverse 182 00:10:43,998 --> 00:10:45,578 in ethnic and racial background. 183 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:49,040 [male reporter] A grueling day of chess-like moves… 184 00:10:49,128 --> 00:10:51,798 I didn't think I had a chance of getting on the case, 185 00:10:51,881 --> 00:10:55,891 and to my shock, they turned around and said they accepted the jury. 186 00:10:55,968 --> 00:10:59,598 Lawyers settled on a panel composed of eight Blacks, 187 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:02,890 one white, one Hispanic, and two people of mixed race. 188 00:11:06,353 --> 00:11:07,863 We were thrilled. 189 00:11:08,647 --> 00:11:13,107 Because so many of our favorable jurors were included. 190 00:11:14,195 --> 00:11:16,355 [Darden] Picking eight Black jurors ain't the problem. 191 00:11:16,447 --> 00:11:19,447 Picking the wrong eight Black jurors, that might be a problem. 192 00:11:20,034 --> 00:11:22,954 I remember me and Johnnie and Shapiro were walking back 193 00:11:23,037 --> 00:11:25,157 and O.J. looked back at this jury 194 00:11:25,247 --> 00:11:30,747 and said, "Jeesh, if this jury convicts me, maybe I did do it." 195 00:11:30,836 --> 00:11:32,416 [dramatic music playing] 196 00:11:33,005 --> 00:11:35,335 [male reporter 1] Naming the trial judge 197 00:11:35,424 --> 00:11:36,804 in this explosive case, 198 00:11:36,884 --> 00:11:39,224 that judge is vital to both sides. 199 00:11:39,303 --> 00:11:43,223 I'm assigning the case to Judge Lance Ito. 200 00:11:48,270 --> 00:11:50,190 {\an8}Lance Ito was picked because 201 00:11:50,272 --> 00:11:52,942 they thought he was the best person 202 00:11:53,025 --> 00:11:55,775 to handle what was going to be a bit of a circus. 203 00:11:55,861 --> 00:11:59,161 [male reporter 2] Both defense and prosecution welcomed Ito, 204 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,790 a former prosecutor well-regarded as smart, tough, and fair. 205 00:12:02,868 --> 00:12:04,618 [indistinct chatter and shouting] 206 00:12:04,703 --> 00:12:07,793 [Crawford] All of the news that was surrounding the trial, it was everywhere, 207 00:12:07,873 --> 00:12:11,963 and the judge began to mention that he was thinking about sequestration. 208 00:12:13,254 --> 00:12:15,514 We were locked up into a hotel. 209 00:12:15,589 --> 00:12:19,179 We had the whole floor of that hotel blocked off 210 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:20,590 where no one had access. 211 00:12:20,678 --> 00:12:22,218 No family or friends could visit. 212 00:12:22,304 --> 00:12:23,644 It was very hard. 213 00:12:24,139 --> 00:12:25,719 [ominous music playing] 214 00:12:27,434 --> 00:12:31,024 When I became a deputy DA in March of 1981, 215 00:12:31,105 --> 00:12:34,935 I thought there were 800, 900 prosecutors in the office. 216 00:12:35,025 --> 00:12:38,565 If there were ten that were Black, I would be surprised. 217 00:12:39,363 --> 00:12:43,953 By the time O.J. Simpson came up, I'd been in the office about 15 years. 218 00:12:44,034 --> 00:12:46,044 I'm sitting there and I get a phone call. 219 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:50,040 {\an8}I was told that Bill Hodgman had a medical event involving his heart. 220 00:12:51,166 --> 00:12:55,956 Bill Hodgman was one of the more senior lawyers in the office, 221 00:12:56,046 --> 00:13:01,546 and he and Marcia were brought on to try the case originally. 222 00:13:01,635 --> 00:13:04,175 And when that happened, my immediate concern wasn't, 223 00:13:04,263 --> 00:13:07,563 "Well, who's going to join Marcia Clark at the counsel table?" 224 00:13:07,641 --> 00:13:09,941 I just hoped Bill was going to be all right. 225 00:13:10,019 --> 00:13:13,229 [male reporter] The 41-year-old prosecutor was stricken by chest pains. 226 00:13:13,314 --> 00:13:18,784 After that, I was asked to officially join the prosecution team, 227 00:13:18,861 --> 00:13:22,281 but my first inclination was, "There's no way in hell." 228 00:13:22,364 --> 00:13:23,954 [camera clicks] 229 00:13:24,033 --> 00:13:26,203 But, at the same time, 230 00:13:26,285 --> 00:13:30,405 part of me felt that he deserved my attention like all the others. 231 00:13:31,165 --> 00:13:35,455 So, I read the file. I believed he was guilty as hell. 232 00:13:36,962 --> 00:13:39,972 I remember going up north to talk to my old man about it. 233 00:13:40,049 --> 00:13:43,009 The agreement was that I would keep my head down. 234 00:13:43,969 --> 00:13:45,639 I would stay out of trouble. 235 00:13:45,721 --> 00:13:49,481 I wouldn't bring unnecessary attention to myself, right? 236 00:13:49,558 --> 00:13:52,938 I would just do the job, get in and get out. 237 00:13:53,604 --> 00:13:55,614 Didn't work out that way, though, did it? 238 00:14:00,277 --> 00:14:01,817 Any questions for Chris? 239 00:14:04,448 --> 00:14:08,698 Come on, man. Come on. Look at this guy. Come on. We have to drag him over. 240 00:14:09,495 --> 00:14:12,825 {\an8}You had Christopher Darden, who O.J. called "Token." 241 00:14:12,915 --> 00:14:15,575 {\an8}Chris's selection was a racial token. 242 00:14:15,668 --> 00:14:17,038 {\an8}Hate to say it. Nice guy. 243 00:14:17,127 --> 00:14:18,497 I thought it was bullshit. 244 00:14:19,004 --> 00:14:21,474 The fact that he was Black 245 00:14:21,548 --> 00:14:26,348 was the greatest reason why he was brought in. 246 00:14:26,428 --> 00:14:27,808 {\an8}Lo and behold, he shows up here. 247 00:14:27,888 --> 00:14:30,518 {\an8}Why is that, after we have eight African Americans? I don't know. 248 00:14:30,599 --> 00:14:32,059 {\an8}We've been concerned about it. 249 00:14:32,142 --> 00:14:36,862 [Darden] What was being said by the defense, I found offensive as hell. 250 00:14:37,815 --> 00:14:40,725 No, the reason I was put on that case is because I was good. 251 00:14:40,818 --> 00:14:44,148 I had never lost a felony trial, 15 years. 252 00:14:44,238 --> 00:14:46,068 He might have been a good lawyer too, 253 00:14:46,156 --> 00:14:48,526 but there were better white lawyers in the office. 254 00:14:49,201 --> 00:14:51,621 I'm sure Johnnie's race was the reason 255 00:14:51,704 --> 00:14:54,794 O.J. thought it's best to have a Black lawyer in this case. 256 00:14:54,873 --> 00:14:56,543 - I'm cool with that. - [TV static] 257 00:14:56,625 --> 00:15:01,585 [Garcetti] The media continues to buy on to any defense mention of race. 258 00:15:01,672 --> 00:15:04,262 They want to continue to play that card. 259 00:15:04,341 --> 00:15:07,641 Chris Darden is on the case, plain and simple, 260 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,850 because he is a fabulous trial lawyer. 261 00:15:10,472 --> 00:15:13,392 [Darden] I was a killer. I was a beast. 262 00:15:13,475 --> 00:15:16,515 I got to a point where I felt like I could convict anybody. 263 00:15:16,603 --> 00:15:18,943 [tense music playing] 264 00:15:19,898 --> 00:15:23,528 [Douglas] Trial lawyers have great egos. 265 00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:27,030 I always say the most dangerous spot to be 266 00:15:27,114 --> 00:15:30,664 is in between a trial lawyer and a camera that's running. 267 00:15:32,536 --> 00:15:35,786 In 1994, 268 00:15:35,873 --> 00:15:39,963 Bob Shapiro would walk down the Forum to a Laker game, 269 00:15:40,044 --> 00:15:43,634 and they would show his face on the teletron as he's taking his seat. 270 00:15:45,299 --> 00:15:51,309 It's difficult now to understand how all-encompassing it was. 271 00:15:51,388 --> 00:15:53,598 We're looking at everything, uh, 272 00:15:53,682 --> 00:15:56,192 and I can't comment on the evidence with regard to that. 273 00:15:56,268 --> 00:16:00,898 We lawyers thrive on that attention 274 00:16:01,690 --> 00:16:03,530 and that celebrity, 275 00:16:03,609 --> 00:16:08,359 and we love it, and we want it to continue forever. 276 00:16:08,447 --> 00:16:10,697 [music intensifies] 277 00:16:10,783 --> 00:16:13,703 [Gilbert] Shapiro thought he would always be in charge. 278 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:17,370 But Johnnie was a trial attorney. 279 00:16:18,582 --> 00:16:20,752 He was a person that worked in front of a jury. 280 00:16:20,834 --> 00:16:23,754 Shapiro did, of course, not want to take the back seat. 281 00:16:25,214 --> 00:16:27,724 [Thompson] There were some issues about control of the case. 282 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:33,100 It was ultimately Simpson's decision to turn over more control to Cochran. 283 00:16:33,180 --> 00:16:36,560 - [camera clicks] - So Cochran and his team took over. 284 00:16:37,267 --> 00:16:39,187 No comments on that. No comments on that. 285 00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:43,649 When the acknowledgement was that Johnnie was the lead 286 00:16:44,358 --> 00:16:46,648 and Bob was no longer the lead, 287 00:16:46,735 --> 00:16:53,155 it had to create tensions with Bob that he tried to suppress. 288 00:16:54,451 --> 00:16:58,961 We're trying to play it off so that it's not visible on the cameras. 289 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:02,789 The key question for the judge in the O.J. Simpson murder trial today was 290 00:17:02,876 --> 00:17:05,666 whether to bar cameras and microphones from the courtroom. 291 00:17:07,381 --> 00:17:11,181 Having cameras in the courtroom allows everyone to see how a trial proceeds. 292 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:13,720 They see the actual evidence as it's being brought out, 293 00:17:13,804 --> 00:17:14,934 and that's a good thing. 294 00:17:15,013 --> 00:17:18,893 TV cameras can really have an impact on what happens in the courtroom. 295 00:17:19,810 --> 00:17:21,190 That was a wrong decision. 296 00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:23,150 People play to the cameras. 297 00:17:23,230 --> 00:17:27,530 It has been said that no American so prominent has been charged with murder. 298 00:17:27,609 --> 00:17:29,569 It will be a legal spectacle. 299 00:17:29,653 --> 00:17:31,663 Now the whole world finally gets to see 300 00:17:31,738 --> 00:17:34,118 what we have been waiting seven months to see. 301 00:17:34,199 --> 00:17:37,289 - [light cheering] - [indistinct chatter] 302 00:17:38,704 --> 00:17:40,004 [man] Juice! Juice! 303 00:17:41,206 --> 00:17:46,246 It's kind of hard to explain the first day of that trial. 304 00:17:47,087 --> 00:17:49,967 There were helicopters that were overhead. 305 00:17:50,632 --> 00:17:52,092 [man] What did O.J. say to you? 306 00:17:52,176 --> 00:17:54,506 [woman] Tell him we love him! Tell him we love him! 307 00:17:54,595 --> 00:17:58,345 The main stairway going into the courthouse was cordoned off. 308 00:18:00,809 --> 00:18:03,229 [Rivera] As a lawyer myself, I can tell you that 309 00:18:03,312 --> 00:18:07,822 there is an aspect of show business in every case, with or without cameras. 310 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:11,320 Except that when it is on camera, as it was in this case, 311 00:18:11,403 --> 00:18:14,113 it was part of the universal experience. 312 00:18:14,198 --> 00:18:16,278 There was no one in the country not affected. 313 00:18:17,284 --> 00:18:19,124 [Darden] I'd never seen anything like it. 314 00:18:19,203 --> 00:18:22,543 There were news trucks for a couple of blocks. 315 00:18:22,623 --> 00:18:24,373 The media set up across the street. 316 00:18:25,167 --> 00:18:28,337 They call it "Camp O.J." It's very distracting. 317 00:18:29,087 --> 00:18:30,917 They're parked on the sidewalk. 318 00:18:33,008 --> 00:18:35,758 "Wow, man, what a circus this whole thing is." 319 00:18:35,844 --> 00:18:37,184 [solemn music playing] 320 00:18:39,139 --> 00:18:41,179 {\an8}The first time I walked in the courtroom, 321 00:18:41,266 --> 00:18:43,556 {\an8}a part of me was surprised at how small it was. 322 00:18:44,394 --> 00:18:46,984 You know, I'd only seen it on TV, so to speak. 323 00:18:49,233 --> 00:18:51,243 I stared at him as he walked in. 324 00:18:51,318 --> 00:18:53,778 I just locked eyes, all the way until he sat down. 325 00:18:53,862 --> 00:18:56,032 [music intensifies] 326 00:18:56,114 --> 00:18:58,454 I needed him to know that I was there. 327 00:18:59,910 --> 00:19:02,200 Are both sides prepared to go forward? Mr. Cochran? 328 00:19:02,287 --> 00:19:03,997 - We are, Your Honor. - Mrs. Clark? 329 00:19:04,081 --> 00:19:05,121 [Clark] Yes, Your Honor. 330 00:19:05,207 --> 00:19:07,287 [Ito] Do the People wish to make an opening statement? 331 00:19:07,376 --> 00:19:08,626 [Clark] Yes, we do, Your Honor. 332 00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:10,840 [Ito] All right, you may proceed. Mr. Darden? 333 00:19:11,672 --> 00:19:15,552 I made my first appearance at trial after the jurors were selected. 334 00:19:16,468 --> 00:19:19,508 I think it's fair to say that I have the toughest job in town today. 335 00:19:19,596 --> 00:19:22,516 On the first day, to see Christopher Darden, 336 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:25,769 that's when I said, "Why'd they bring him in?" 337 00:19:25,852 --> 00:19:30,442 And that's where I thought that they were probably playing to the race. 338 00:19:30,524 --> 00:19:35,324 And we're here today, obviously, to resolve an issue, 339 00:19:35,404 --> 00:19:36,914 to settle a question, 340 00:19:36,989 --> 00:19:40,409 a question that has been on the minds of people throughout the country 341 00:19:40,492 --> 00:19:41,702 these last seven months. 342 00:19:41,785 --> 00:19:47,285 Did O.J. Simpson really kill Nicole Brown and Ronald Goldman? 343 00:19:47,374 --> 00:19:52,054 I am here in front of you this morning… to answer that question. 344 00:19:52,879 --> 00:19:55,169 It makes you a little bit nervous, you know? 345 00:19:55,841 --> 00:19:57,301 When that camera's there. 346 00:19:57,384 --> 00:20:01,354 I mean, it does change the way you do things. 347 00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:06,640 We will expose to you in this trial the other side of O.J. Simpson, 348 00:20:06,727 --> 00:20:08,687 a wife beater, an abuser. 349 00:20:09,771 --> 00:20:11,481 He killed her to control her. 350 00:20:11,565 --> 00:20:14,395 Control is a continuing theme. 351 00:20:14,484 --> 00:20:18,784 The purpose of the opening statement was to hopefully make the jury more open 352 00:20:18,864 --> 00:20:23,704 to receiving the evidence that this is a domestic murder. 353 00:20:24,286 --> 00:20:25,786 [Darden] And I submit to you, 354 00:20:25,871 --> 00:20:27,871 that as the trial proceeds on, 355 00:20:27,956 --> 00:20:30,246 that motive will become clear. 356 00:20:30,334 --> 00:20:33,344 We criminal lawyers are more gunslingers. 357 00:20:33,962 --> 00:20:36,472 Johnnie Cochran had that connection. 358 00:20:37,466 --> 00:20:42,716 He had the skill of 32 years of talking to jurors in Los Angeles. 359 00:20:43,388 --> 00:20:47,888 Why did Mr. Darden spend all that time on domestic violence 360 00:20:48,393 --> 00:20:49,643 if this is a murder case? 361 00:20:49,728 --> 00:20:52,768 He's not charged with any domestic violence. 362 00:20:53,398 --> 00:20:57,108 They're trying to dredge up some theory to give you a motive 363 00:20:57,194 --> 00:20:59,154 because they don't have a motive. 364 00:20:59,237 --> 00:21:01,657 The defense will talk to you about possibilities. 365 00:21:02,449 --> 00:21:06,199 And they'll insinuate many sinister things based on those possibilities. 366 00:21:06,286 --> 00:21:09,156 This case is about a rush to judgment. 367 00:21:09,247 --> 00:21:12,577 An obsession to win at any cost and by any means necessary. 368 00:21:14,336 --> 00:21:17,506 There were a couple of pictures of an officer leaning down, pointing 369 00:21:17,589 --> 00:21:20,179 at the glove and the cap and everything. 370 00:21:20,258 --> 00:21:21,838 That was Officer Fuhrman. 371 00:21:22,969 --> 00:21:27,469 The prosecution never once mentioned his name yesterday. 372 00:21:27,557 --> 00:21:29,677 It's like they just want to hide him. 373 00:21:29,768 --> 00:21:31,268 But they can't hide him. 374 00:21:31,353 --> 00:21:33,653 Two people have been brutally murdered. 375 00:21:33,730 --> 00:21:36,150 And the evidence consistently will point to the guilt 376 00:21:36,233 --> 00:21:38,113 of only one person as their murderer. 377 00:21:41,738 --> 00:21:45,158 [Douglas] We had an obligation to our client 378 00:21:45,242 --> 00:21:49,002 to spin things in a way that was positive, 379 00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:54,169 that would continue to promote the quest for justice. 380 00:21:55,335 --> 00:21:58,255 I guess Dr. Martin Luther King said it best when he said that, 381 00:21:58,338 --> 00:22:02,008 "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." 382 00:22:02,092 --> 00:22:06,812 And so we are now embarked upon this search for justice. 383 00:22:06,888 --> 00:22:08,888 This search for truth. 384 00:22:08,974 --> 00:22:10,644 This search for the facts. 385 00:22:11,268 --> 00:22:14,098 One of the obstacles in prosecuting a guy like O.J. 386 00:22:14,187 --> 00:22:18,687 is getting the jury to entertain the possibility 387 00:22:18,775 --> 00:22:21,065 that he might do what he's accused of doing. 388 00:22:21,653 --> 00:22:26,123 Because you have his public life, his public persona. 389 00:22:26,199 --> 00:22:28,869 It's a great way to make new friends, right, fellas? 390 00:22:28,952 --> 00:22:32,252 Which is all inconsistent with murdering his ex-wife. 391 00:22:32,330 --> 00:22:33,460 [camera clicks] 392 00:22:33,540 --> 00:22:35,250 We need people that knew him 393 00:22:35,333 --> 00:22:38,213 and people who could give firsthand accounts 394 00:22:38,295 --> 00:22:41,585 of the relationship O.J. and Nicole had. 395 00:22:41,673 --> 00:22:45,013 But a lot of people didn't want to testify against O.J. 396 00:22:47,429 --> 00:22:52,559 {\an8}I didn't want to testify at first mainly because every Black person, 397 00:22:53,727 --> 00:22:56,687 not just in this country, around, they're going to hate your guts. 398 00:22:57,898 --> 00:22:59,518 It was O.J. Simpson. 399 00:22:59,608 --> 00:23:04,398 I will always be remembered for being the first guy to go over 2,000 yards. 400 00:23:04,488 --> 00:23:08,068 O.J. wouldn't do something like that. He's our hero. 401 00:23:08,575 --> 00:23:09,575 [camera clicks] 402 00:23:09,659 --> 00:23:11,749 [Darden] Ron Shipp was ex-LAPD. 403 00:23:11,828 --> 00:23:15,828 His testimony could be important because he was a friend of O.J.'s. 404 00:23:15,916 --> 00:23:17,706 He witnessed some of the abuse. 405 00:23:19,211 --> 00:23:22,301 [Shipp] Chris called me and he said, "We need to talk to you." 406 00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:26,970 And I sit down, he goes, "Hey, Ron, I'll be right back." 407 00:23:27,052 --> 00:23:28,222 I look down. 408 00:23:28,303 --> 00:23:30,313 [music intensifies] 409 00:23:30,931 --> 00:23:32,521 There's the homicide book. 410 00:23:33,808 --> 00:23:37,188 I open the thing up, there's the homicide scene. 411 00:23:39,064 --> 00:23:40,364 She was chopped up. 412 00:23:41,900 --> 00:23:43,400 And it was horrible. 413 00:23:45,570 --> 00:23:49,990 You know, I think people just took for granted the viciousness of it all. 414 00:23:50,075 --> 00:23:52,535 You see somebody that you love. 415 00:23:52,619 --> 00:23:54,409 You know, it… It was horrible. 416 00:23:55,121 --> 00:24:00,091 So… when Chris came and sat down, I said, "I'll do it." 417 00:24:00,961 --> 00:24:03,051 And he said, "What?" I said, "I'll testify." 418 00:24:03,129 --> 00:24:05,469 [dramatic music playing] 419 00:24:07,008 --> 00:24:09,968 [Darden] The People call Ron Shipp to the stand. Ron? 420 00:24:17,435 --> 00:24:20,555 [Shipp] That was probably one of the hardest things for me to do 421 00:24:20,647 --> 00:24:23,147 when I testified because I loved O.J. Simpson. 422 00:24:24,025 --> 00:24:25,525 I loved him. You know? 423 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,200 I almost broke down and cried. 424 00:24:31,032 --> 00:24:32,122 [clears throat] 425 00:24:33,159 --> 00:24:35,369 [voice breaking] Then Chris Darden asked me… 426 00:24:36,871 --> 00:24:39,251 Um, "How do you feel about O.J.?" 427 00:24:39,332 --> 00:24:42,542 And I said, "I don't know how he feels, but I still love him." 428 00:24:43,587 --> 00:24:46,297 [Darden] Do you and the defendant remain friends today? 429 00:24:47,966 --> 00:24:51,296 Well, I still love the guy, but, um… I don't know. 430 00:24:51,386 --> 00:24:54,136 I mean, this is a weird situation I'm sitting here in. 431 00:24:56,099 --> 00:24:59,139 But I felt that that's what I had to do. 432 00:24:59,227 --> 00:25:02,477 [Darden] You had this conversation with Nicole Brown at the house. 433 00:25:02,564 --> 00:25:05,654 Relay to us the content of that conversation, please. 434 00:25:05,734 --> 00:25:08,284 Nicole had advised me that he had hit her. 435 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:11,529 There was some swelling about her head. 436 00:25:11,615 --> 00:25:13,905 I remember she… It was covered up pretty good. 437 00:25:16,369 --> 00:25:19,499 I looked at her, I saw bruises on her face and everything. 438 00:25:19,581 --> 00:25:23,081 And she said to me, "Would you mind talking to him?" 439 00:25:23,585 --> 00:25:28,715 And I said, "Hey, man, you hit her. She's got marks. You're a batterer." 440 00:25:29,758 --> 00:25:32,838 And that's when he kind of agreed and said, "I guess you're right." 441 00:25:36,765 --> 00:25:40,555 I examined one witness in the trial, Ron Shipp. 442 00:25:40,644 --> 00:25:42,774 [Ito] Mr. Douglas, your cross-examination. 443 00:25:47,150 --> 00:25:51,070 I think it was important to send a message to the prosecution. 444 00:25:51,821 --> 00:25:55,201 You're not really this man's friend, are you, sir? 445 00:25:55,283 --> 00:25:57,543 - You ever been golfing with him? - [Shipp] Never. 446 00:25:57,619 --> 00:26:00,709 - Ever been to a Raider game with him? - Not one. 447 00:26:00,789 --> 00:26:03,919 Everything I asked of Shipp, 448 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,460 O.J. told me what to ask. 449 00:26:05,543 --> 00:26:08,003 He would always give me stage tips. 450 00:26:13,176 --> 00:26:16,426 And I listened to him more than any other client, 451 00:26:16,513 --> 00:26:18,523 because he had the bona fides. 452 00:26:19,683 --> 00:26:22,233 - You drink a lot, don't you? - I used to. 453 00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:23,770 Oh, gosh. 454 00:26:25,063 --> 00:26:28,023 I hated that guy while he was cross-examining me. 455 00:26:28,108 --> 00:26:30,858 [Douglas] Didn't you receive a discipline as a result of that conduct? 456 00:26:30,944 --> 00:26:31,994 Yes, I did. 457 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:36,320 [Douglas] It is true, is it not, that when you are under the influence of alcohol, 458 00:26:36,408 --> 00:26:39,538 your ability to recall facts and events is affected? 459 00:26:39,619 --> 00:26:40,749 If you're drunk. 460 00:26:41,413 --> 00:26:45,293 Whether or not Ron Shipp had an alcohol problem is totally irrelevant, 461 00:26:45,375 --> 00:26:48,665 and everybody knows it. But they're trying to dirty him up. 462 00:26:51,423 --> 00:26:54,843 There was nothing about my cross-examination 463 00:26:54,926 --> 00:26:57,426 where an objection was sustained. 464 00:26:57,512 --> 00:27:03,272 That gave me all that I needed to continue to do what I was doing. 465 00:27:03,351 --> 00:27:07,481 You have, in the past, told Mr. Simpson's friend, 466 00:27:07,564 --> 00:27:09,364 if Mr. Simpson weren't around, 467 00:27:09,441 --> 00:27:12,241 you might have a shot at Nicole Brown-Simpson yourself? 468 00:27:12,318 --> 00:27:13,988 [Shipp] I had to laugh at that. 469 00:27:14,904 --> 00:27:17,994 You know, because it was such a big lie. 470 00:27:18,074 --> 00:27:18,994 I didn't-- 471 00:27:19,075 --> 00:27:21,445 That's totally false, totally false. 472 00:27:21,536 --> 00:27:23,956 Mr. Douglas, I hope you get your facts straight, okay? 473 00:27:24,038 --> 00:27:24,958 [Ito] Hold on. Hold on. 474 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,579 - You're attacking me, let me answer. - [Ito] Hold on, Mr. Shipp. 475 00:27:28,835 --> 00:27:30,205 [Shipp] This is sad, O.J. 476 00:27:30,295 --> 00:27:32,165 Your Honor, I move to strike that. 477 00:27:32,255 --> 00:27:34,875 [Ito] Ladies and gentlemen, you are to disregard 478 00:27:34,966 --> 00:27:37,086 Mr. Shipp's direct comment to the defendant. 479 00:27:37,177 --> 00:27:38,677 - Mr. Shipp, please. - [Shipp] I'm sorry. 480 00:27:38,762 --> 00:27:40,222 You're instructed not to do that. 481 00:27:40,305 --> 00:27:43,845 I would never think of hitting on O.J.'s wife. 482 00:27:44,851 --> 00:27:47,811 [Darden] Ron Shipp was being skewered for telling the truth 483 00:27:47,896 --> 00:27:50,146 and defending Ron and Nicole's right to live. 484 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,070 It takes courage, especially in this case and at that time, 485 00:27:56,154 --> 00:27:58,824 to get up on the witness stand and tell the truth. 486 00:28:00,158 --> 00:28:01,278 And say what you know. 487 00:28:01,367 --> 00:28:02,987 It takes a lot of courage. 488 00:28:03,995 --> 00:28:07,995 I mean, he told the truth in a double murder 489 00:28:08,082 --> 00:28:14,842 where two innocent, helpless, defenseless people… were butchered. 490 00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:18,339 How can you be mad at that? 491 00:28:19,052 --> 00:28:21,102 How can anybody be mad at him for that? 492 00:28:22,639 --> 00:28:24,719 But, you know, the fact of the matter is 493 00:28:24,808 --> 00:28:28,188 that sometimes, you know, truth carries with it a penalty, a price. 494 00:28:28,269 --> 00:28:31,769 You must have expected some kind of backlash, Ron. 495 00:28:32,690 --> 00:28:36,320 And it's probably been a little bit more than I expected. 496 00:28:37,570 --> 00:28:40,240 I was accused of going against the race. 497 00:28:40,323 --> 00:28:44,833 There are people, Black people, that won't speak to me. 498 00:28:45,370 --> 00:28:49,370 [Gilbert] Everyone vilified Ron for being the first friend of O.J.'s 499 00:28:49,457 --> 00:28:51,127 that came out publicly, 500 00:28:51,209 --> 00:28:54,049 not just against him, but decided to testify against him. 501 00:28:54,838 --> 00:28:57,008 [Shipp] It was horrible. Everywhere that I went, 502 00:28:57,090 --> 00:29:00,010 you know, the people that were pro-O.J., "Hey, you Uncle Tom." 503 00:29:00,635 --> 00:29:03,045 I did not think that people would look at me that way. 504 00:29:03,137 --> 00:29:06,137 He's due a lot of respect and admiration 505 00:29:06,224 --> 00:29:09,274 because he did do something that was extremely difficult, 506 00:29:09,352 --> 00:29:10,562 because he did love O.J. 507 00:29:10,645 --> 00:29:16,145 Ron Shipp had what a lot of the other people in that inner circle didn't have, 508 00:29:16,734 --> 00:29:19,654 and that was a conscience. 509 00:29:20,822 --> 00:29:23,992 I'm doing this for my conscience and my peace of mind. 510 00:29:25,952 --> 00:29:28,872 I will not have the blood of Nicole on Ron Shipp. 511 00:29:29,998 --> 00:29:31,248 [tense music playing] 512 00:29:34,961 --> 00:29:38,381 The sheer brutality of the killings, the way the killings occurred, 513 00:29:38,464 --> 00:29:43,184 to me supports the notion that the person that committed the killing was angry, 514 00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:45,510 and that the killing is personal. 515 00:29:46,180 --> 00:29:52,690 Nicole's neck was injured so severely, people couldn't look at it. 516 00:29:52,770 --> 00:29:54,360 She was nearly decapitated. 517 00:29:54,439 --> 00:29:59,319 {\an8}What we have here in the side of the head is a penetrating injury. 518 00:30:00,737 --> 00:30:02,657 To the temporal bone… 519 00:30:03,448 --> 00:30:06,988 [Darden] The coroner in this case showed the jury how he could kill two people 520 00:30:07,076 --> 00:30:08,866 within a few minutes of each other. 521 00:30:08,953 --> 00:30:12,463 [Sathyavagiswaran] These photographs clearly demonstrate the bloodflow pattern. 522 00:30:12,540 --> 00:30:15,710 The movies have people stabbed once and they just go down. 523 00:30:15,793 --> 00:30:16,843 That's not the case. 524 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,380 The neck is not as stable as it should be because the spine has also been cut. 525 00:30:20,465 --> 00:30:26,425 I believe that Simpson stabbed her in the upper body area up by the shoulder. 526 00:30:26,512 --> 00:30:29,892 [Sathyavagiswaran] One must keep in mind the dependent drainage of blood 527 00:30:29,974 --> 00:30:31,684 from the chest cavity. 528 00:30:31,768 --> 00:30:33,768 And when Goldman came in, 529 00:30:33,853 --> 00:30:36,903 the evidence would suggest that he approached her 530 00:30:36,981 --> 00:30:38,691 and actually cradled her head, 531 00:30:38,775 --> 00:30:41,525 and I think this is where Simpson came out of the bushes 532 00:30:41,611 --> 00:30:43,151 and grabbed him around the throat. 533 00:30:43,237 --> 00:30:45,777 [Sathyavagiswaran] Four sharp force injuries to the neck… 534 00:30:47,575 --> 00:30:51,695 Simpson now sees Nicole waking up. 535 00:30:51,788 --> 00:30:54,288 The knife is used to cut her throat. 536 00:30:54,791 --> 00:30:58,461 [Sathyavagiswaran] The neck stab wound Ms. Simpson suffered being the last wound. 537 00:30:59,295 --> 00:31:01,965 You don't kill somebody with a knife, 538 00:31:02,548 --> 00:31:06,338 and stab like they accused him of doing, 539 00:31:06,427 --> 00:31:09,057 and then an hour later, 540 00:31:09,138 --> 00:31:12,638 chill out and take a plane flight and be cool. 541 00:31:12,725 --> 00:31:14,385 [ominous music playing] 542 00:31:14,477 --> 00:31:18,727 I've seen O.J. cry more than you'd ever imagine. 543 00:31:19,357 --> 00:31:22,237 O.J. Simpson crying? You kidding me? 544 00:31:22,318 --> 00:31:23,778 Strong O.J.? 545 00:31:25,405 --> 00:31:28,565 He couldn't look at blood. He's a scaredy-cat. 546 00:31:28,658 --> 00:31:32,288 We'd have monitors on the desk. He would turn away. 547 00:31:33,329 --> 00:31:36,959 You gotta be a… a sociopath 548 00:31:37,041 --> 00:31:42,461 to be able to exact the level of violence 549 00:31:43,715 --> 00:31:45,715 that happened on that day. 550 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,590 [tense music playing] 551 00:31:49,804 --> 00:31:53,984 This thing about celebrity, especially in a place like Los Angeles 552 00:31:54,058 --> 00:31:56,888 where celebrities are revered. 553 00:31:56,978 --> 00:31:58,648 [crowd shouting] O.J.! 554 00:31:58,730 --> 00:32:03,030 [Darden] Nobody wanted to believe that O.J. Simpson was an abuser, 555 00:32:03,109 --> 00:32:06,279 that this is a domestic murder. 556 00:32:06,988 --> 00:32:08,738 You have to drag him off that pedestal 557 00:32:08,823 --> 00:32:12,833 and drag him down to Mother Earth with all the rest of us. 558 00:32:15,496 --> 00:32:17,616 {\an8}- [Darden] Good morning, sir. - [man] Good morning. 559 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,300 {\an8}Sir, on January 1, 1989, did you receive a radio call? 560 00:32:23,379 --> 00:32:25,339 [Edwards] It was around 3:30 in the morning. 561 00:32:25,423 --> 00:32:29,513 The 911 operator could overhear the woman being beaten on the phone. 562 00:32:29,594 --> 00:32:31,474 - [Darden] Was she hysterical? - Oh yes. 563 00:32:31,554 --> 00:32:36,734 {\an8}[Darden] With the court's permission, I'd like to play the 1989 911 tape. 564 00:32:36,809 --> 00:32:38,849 [female operator] 911, emergency… 565 00:32:40,438 --> 00:32:41,358 {\an8}Hello? 566 00:32:47,236 --> 00:32:48,566 {\an8}[woman screams] 567 00:32:52,408 --> 00:32:56,328 [Edwards] When I arrived, a woman came running out of the bushes to my left 568 00:32:56,412 --> 00:32:58,872 and started yelling, "He's going to kill me." 569 00:32:58,956 --> 00:33:01,576 I said, "Who is going to kill you?" She said, "O.J." 570 00:33:02,335 --> 00:33:03,875 - She was beat-up. - [camera clicks] 571 00:33:05,213 --> 00:33:08,553 Back then, we had had the big "What the fuck?" talk, yes. 572 00:33:08,633 --> 00:33:10,513 We had a come-to-Jesus talk. 573 00:33:10,593 --> 00:33:13,473 Because I said, "What the hell is this?" 574 00:33:14,055 --> 00:33:15,805 You know, "What is going on?" 575 00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:17,020 And he… 576 00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:18,180 [sighs] 577 00:33:20,728 --> 00:33:22,648 Oh, man, this is tough. 578 00:33:25,608 --> 00:33:29,818 He said, "You know, Mike, you know how Nicole gets when she drinks?" 579 00:33:30,947 --> 00:33:35,577 "I'm just holding on to her. She's swinging, and it got out of hand." 580 00:33:35,660 --> 00:33:39,250 So he described it as her fault, that she was the aggressor, 581 00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:43,790 and that's one of the things that, when I look back, um… 582 00:33:45,336 --> 00:33:47,916 - [man] And you believed him? - I did. 583 00:33:49,423 --> 00:33:53,643 [Toobin] Nicole had called 911 eight times. 584 00:33:53,719 --> 00:33:58,809 O.J. had been prosecuted and pleaded guilty for domestic violence. 585 00:33:59,392 --> 00:34:01,892 [Darden] I don't think we had records of all the calls 586 00:34:01,978 --> 00:34:04,188 or all the responses, quite frankly. 587 00:34:04,272 --> 00:34:07,442 My feeling, my sense, was that there had been many others. 588 00:34:07,525 --> 00:34:09,685 They just didn't record them. 589 00:34:09,777 --> 00:34:12,907 O.J. was always in denial 590 00:34:12,989 --> 00:34:16,659 about anything domestic violence with him and Nicole Brown. 591 00:34:16,742 --> 00:34:21,162 He was obsessed about his public persona. 592 00:34:21,247 --> 00:34:26,627 The focus on domestic violence hurt his image. 593 00:34:28,171 --> 00:34:31,631 So that was always a sensitive area. 594 00:34:31,716 --> 00:34:34,586 {\an8}We were all drinking and goofing around 595 00:34:34,677 --> 00:34:37,387 {\an8}and being loud and dancing and having a great time. 596 00:34:37,471 --> 00:34:43,691 And then at one point, O.J. grabbed Nicole's crotch and said, 597 00:34:43,769 --> 00:34:46,979 "This is where babies come from, and this belongs to me." 598 00:34:47,773 --> 00:34:49,613 [Darden] Did you say something to the defendant? 599 00:34:49,692 --> 00:34:52,072 - [Denise Brown] Yes, I did. - [Darden] What did you say to him? 600 00:34:52,153 --> 00:34:54,413 I told him he took Nicole for granted. 601 00:34:55,031 --> 00:34:57,621 And he blew up, 602 00:34:57,700 --> 00:34:59,870 grabbed Nicole, threw her against a wall. 603 00:35:02,914 --> 00:35:05,834 [Darden] What did the defendant say about your sister's weight 604 00:35:05,917 --> 00:35:07,247 while she was pregnant? 605 00:35:07,335 --> 00:35:09,205 He used to call her a fat pig. 606 00:35:11,505 --> 00:35:12,755 [Denise breathing shakily] 607 00:35:14,508 --> 00:35:17,008 [Darden] People need to recognize the process 608 00:35:17,094 --> 00:35:22,854 that takes an abuser from being verbally and emotionally abusive 609 00:35:22,934 --> 00:35:24,234 to a point where they 610 00:35:25,603 --> 00:35:27,193 might kill or will kill. 611 00:35:29,232 --> 00:35:31,152 [man] The next witness expected to take the stand 612 00:35:31,234 --> 00:35:34,114 is Simpson houseguest Brian Kato Kaelin. 613 00:35:34,904 --> 00:35:38,824 {\an8}I'd never been in a courtroom before. My stomach was already in knots. 614 00:35:38,908 --> 00:35:40,908 [tense music playing] 615 00:35:42,370 --> 00:35:45,870 And I saw O.J., and he did smile at me. 616 00:35:49,377 --> 00:35:50,587 I didn't smile back. 617 00:35:51,462 --> 00:35:55,422 [Kaelin] I came in, and they were… There was an argument going on. 618 00:35:55,508 --> 00:35:58,048 [Clark] And how angry was he that day, Mr. Kaelin? 619 00:35:59,053 --> 00:36:02,773 Angry. He was yelling. The police came. 620 00:36:02,848 --> 00:36:05,428 {\an8}First of all, he broke the back door down to get in. 621 00:36:05,518 --> 00:36:07,518 {\an8}What is he doing? Is he threatening you? 622 00:36:08,396 --> 00:36:10,476 {\an8}He's going nuts. He's going to beat the shit out of me. 623 00:36:10,564 --> 00:36:11,484 {\an8}Wait a minute. 624 00:36:12,733 --> 00:36:14,863 {\an8}O.J… O.J… O.J… 625 00:36:14,944 --> 00:36:16,324 {\an8}Has this happened before, or no? 626 00:36:16,404 --> 00:36:17,574 {\an8}Many times. 627 00:36:17,655 --> 00:36:18,735 {\an8}Okay. 628 00:36:18,823 --> 00:36:21,743 {\an8}O.J. went psycho. He broke down the French doors. 629 00:36:21,826 --> 00:36:25,196 And then Nicole explained to me that, uh… 630 00:36:25,955 --> 00:36:28,115 that O.J. is a crazy man. 631 00:36:28,624 --> 00:36:32,554 Here you have someone who is, in my mind, a sociopath. 632 00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:36,010 That means he has no conscience. 633 00:36:37,049 --> 00:36:38,879 He's capable of doing anything. 634 00:36:38,968 --> 00:36:41,388 You can turn it on. You can turn it off. 635 00:36:42,888 --> 00:36:44,348 "Just don't challenge me." 636 00:36:44,432 --> 00:36:46,892 Nicole challenged O.J. 637 00:36:47,476 --> 00:36:48,686 He didn't like that. 638 00:36:49,603 --> 00:36:51,023 Six months before the murder, 639 00:36:51,105 --> 00:36:53,685 she lived on one street west, Gretna Green. 640 00:36:54,442 --> 00:36:58,452 We found a neighbor witness who saw someone prowling the house late one night. 641 00:36:59,155 --> 00:37:02,655 [man] He seemed to be attempting to observe 642 00:37:02,742 --> 00:37:06,832 {\an8}something that may have been occurring within the house. 643 00:37:06,912 --> 00:37:08,292 [Darden] And who was that man? 644 00:37:08,372 --> 00:37:09,462 It was Mr. Simpson. 645 00:37:10,166 --> 00:37:13,126 You have a photograph of her covered in dirt and mud 646 00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:15,210 after she hid in the shrubbery. 647 00:37:15,296 --> 00:37:19,336 You have the diary. You have police responding to the house. 648 00:37:19,925 --> 00:37:22,965 You have him attacking her Mercedes. 649 00:37:24,180 --> 00:37:25,510 You have all of this. 650 00:37:26,098 --> 00:37:30,768 And it's your offer, Mr. Darden, that these came from a safe-deposit box 651 00:37:30,853 --> 00:37:33,023 belonging to Nicole Brown Simpson? 652 00:37:33,105 --> 00:37:34,435 That's correct, Your Honor. 653 00:37:34,523 --> 00:37:39,073 Once you hear the 911 calls and take a look at her battered face, 654 00:37:39,612 --> 00:37:42,452 you know, the photographs, that's all you have to do. 655 00:37:43,449 --> 00:37:46,159 [Crawford] It was hard to look at, you know, 656 00:37:46,243 --> 00:37:49,543 and I think for her to keep those photos, it meant something. 657 00:37:50,998 --> 00:37:54,288 [Darden] It's our position that Ms. Brown left a trail of evidence 658 00:37:54,377 --> 00:37:56,247 indicating that there had been a pattern, 659 00:37:56,337 --> 00:37:58,877 a history of abuse between her and the defendant. 660 00:37:58,964 --> 00:38:02,224 There isn't a huge difference between beating your wife multiple times 661 00:38:02,301 --> 00:38:04,351 and then damn near cutting her head off. 662 00:38:04,887 --> 00:38:08,387 It's a continuum, just going through the alphabet until you get to Z, 663 00:38:08,474 --> 00:38:09,684 which is… 664 00:38:11,852 --> 00:38:14,652 [Crawford] It showed there was a propensity for violence 665 00:38:14,730 --> 00:38:16,190 by O.J. towards Nicole, 666 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,860 and it gave motive. 667 00:38:19,610 --> 00:38:21,450 [dramatic music playing] 668 00:38:21,946 --> 00:38:23,526 [Darden] This killing is planned. 669 00:38:24,073 --> 00:38:28,543 All you can do in trying to figure out a timeline is to look at, 670 00:38:28,619 --> 00:38:30,409 you know, what you know. 671 00:38:30,496 --> 00:38:34,706 We know that there is this window of when she must have been killed. 672 00:38:34,792 --> 00:38:40,712 A dance recital was held in Brentwood for the defendant's daughter, Sydney. 673 00:38:42,133 --> 00:38:44,473 The entire Brown family went to the recital. 674 00:38:45,219 --> 00:38:47,349 The defendant arrived a short time later. 675 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:48,470 [cheering] 676 00:38:50,099 --> 00:38:52,639 - [Darden] Did he sit directly behind you? - Yes, he did. 677 00:38:52,726 --> 00:38:55,896 [Darden] After a few minutes, he just abruptly got up and moved. 678 00:38:57,148 --> 00:38:59,278 Nobody said anything to offend him. 679 00:39:01,110 --> 00:39:02,360 Why is he so angry? 680 00:39:02,903 --> 00:39:06,373 [Clark] And you saw him at about 6:00 or 6:30, after the recital? Right? 681 00:39:06,449 --> 00:39:07,319 Yes. 682 00:39:08,284 --> 00:39:11,664 O.J. brought up that he couldn't believe the dress Nicole picked to wear. 683 00:39:11,745 --> 00:39:15,455 Nicole was wearing a black halter dress and a black blazer. 684 00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:18,340 [Darden] She was rediscovering herself. 685 00:39:18,419 --> 00:39:22,259 She showed up at that recital in a little black dress. 686 00:39:23,299 --> 00:39:25,589 She was able to dress how she wanted 687 00:39:25,676 --> 00:39:27,796 and just take control of her own life. 688 00:39:28,429 --> 00:39:30,099 You know, be her own woman. 689 00:39:30,181 --> 00:39:33,481 He had said that it was inappropriate for a woman of her age to wear it. 690 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:36,270 I think it was a sign of jealousy. 691 00:39:36,353 --> 00:39:39,573 I was thinking, "What does he care what she wears? They're not together." 692 00:39:40,941 --> 00:39:44,401 [Darden] The Brown family decided to go to the Mezzaluna restaurant for dinner. 693 00:39:44,487 --> 00:39:48,817 They made it clear to the defendant that he was not invited. 694 00:39:48,908 --> 00:39:51,488 That night, he was no longer part of her family. 695 00:39:51,577 --> 00:39:53,747 O.J.'s motive was control. 696 00:39:54,872 --> 00:39:59,342 He had a very bizarre look in his eyes. 697 00:40:00,711 --> 00:40:02,711 It was a very faraway look. 698 00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:07,259 He just seemed upset and kind of staring into space. 699 00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:13,930 Back at Rockingham, Mr. Simpson told Kato he was going out to get something to eat. 700 00:40:14,016 --> 00:40:15,136 Kato invited himself. 701 00:40:15,226 --> 00:40:17,556 I said, "Can I get something to eat with you?" 702 00:40:17,645 --> 00:40:20,265 I knew by the way he said "Sure," he did not want me to go. 703 00:40:21,148 --> 00:40:24,488 The whole drive was like waiting for a conversation to happen, 704 00:40:24,568 --> 00:40:26,198 for him to start a conversation. 705 00:40:26,278 --> 00:40:28,818 So nothing's really said, it's just quiet. 706 00:40:28,906 --> 00:40:30,486 He seemed like he was deep in thought, 707 00:40:30,574 --> 00:40:33,204 and I knew he was in some kind of like… mood. 708 00:40:33,285 --> 00:40:35,825 Something is weird about this night, I couldn't explain it. 709 00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,169 [Clark] You got to McDonald's at approximately what time? 710 00:40:40,251 --> 00:40:41,461 [Kaelin] 9:22. 711 00:40:42,044 --> 00:40:43,844 We drive back to Rockingham. 712 00:40:43,921 --> 00:40:46,051 I walk out of his car to the door, 713 00:40:46,131 --> 00:40:48,591 like we're going to eat the rest of the food in the kitchen. 714 00:40:48,676 --> 00:40:51,386 But I looked, and he was still at the door of his car. 715 00:40:52,263 --> 00:40:55,853 [Clark] So you last saw the defendant standing by the Bentley at 9:35? 716 00:40:56,767 --> 00:40:57,887 [Kaelin] About 9:35. 717 00:40:58,477 --> 00:41:00,347 I think about the interaction, 718 00:41:00,437 --> 00:41:04,317 that I was the last person that saw O.J. before the murders. 719 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,730 [ominous music playing] 720 00:41:07,403 --> 00:41:10,823 [Clark] The defendant had an hour and ten minutes 721 00:41:10,906 --> 00:41:13,736 in which his whereabouts are unaccounted for. 722 00:41:14,326 --> 00:41:16,866 And then, at 10:15, 723 00:41:16,954 --> 00:41:19,424 Pablo Fenjves, the neighbor, 724 00:41:19,498 --> 00:41:22,248 hears what he calls "The plaintive wail of the dog." 725 00:41:22,334 --> 00:41:24,304 {\an8}I became aware of a barking. 726 00:41:24,378 --> 00:41:25,418 [dog barking] 727 00:41:25,504 --> 00:41:28,724 [Darden] Then we have the dog. Does it add to the timeline? 728 00:41:29,383 --> 00:41:30,473 Hell yeah. 729 00:41:30,551 --> 00:41:33,551 The timeline was based on the bark of a dog. 730 00:41:33,637 --> 00:41:36,967 From that time, they then went backwards 731 00:41:37,057 --> 00:41:39,227 and tried to figure out what was going on. 732 00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:44,230 [Fenjves] And all of a sudden I heard two voices that said, "Hey, hey, hey!" 733 00:41:45,482 --> 00:41:51,322 Ms. Clark kept telling you that she had fixed the time of death in this case 734 00:41:51,405 --> 00:41:52,615 at about 10:15, 735 00:41:53,365 --> 00:41:58,195 because she wants to give enough time for her theory about O.J. Simpson to work. 736 00:41:58,787 --> 00:42:01,707 And then, at 11:05, 737 00:42:01,790 --> 00:42:06,130 {\an8}O.J. gets picked up at home by the driver. 738 00:42:08,088 --> 00:42:12,678 {\an8}A limo driver said he saw a large Black man going across the driveway. 739 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,180 [Lange] Now, how long does it take to get from Bundy to Rockingham on a Sunday night 740 00:42:17,264 --> 00:42:20,024 at about 10:30 to 10:35? 741 00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:22,770 My partner, Vannatter, and I drove the route. 742 00:42:23,646 --> 00:42:29,106 {\an8}Again, it's 10:15 p.m., September 25, 1994, 743 00:42:29,193 --> 00:42:34,163 {\an8}at the rear of 875 South Bundy, starting north in the alley to the rear. 744 00:42:35,115 --> 00:42:40,155 {\an8}[Lange] We drove it normally, stopping for stop signs, for stoplights. 745 00:42:40,245 --> 00:42:45,705 {\an8}[Vannatter] Arriving at the Rockingham Gate at 360 North Rockingham 746 00:42:45,793 --> 00:42:47,463 {\an8}and stopping at the curb. 747 00:42:48,295 --> 00:42:50,665 It never took more than four and a half minutes. 748 00:42:50,756 --> 00:42:52,676 Plenty of time for him to do everything. 749 00:42:52,758 --> 00:42:54,088 Had a little window of time. 750 00:42:54,176 --> 00:42:58,006 [Darden] He wanted to create an alibi by being in that limo. 751 00:42:58,097 --> 00:42:59,807 No time lost making your flight. 752 00:42:59,890 --> 00:43:04,190 And getting on that plane at the time the body is discovered. 753 00:43:04,269 --> 00:43:06,609 [tense music playing] 754 00:43:06,689 --> 00:43:08,649 [Douglas] O.J. and Nicole, 755 00:43:08,732 --> 00:43:12,152 they always had very loud arguments 756 00:43:12,236 --> 00:43:14,406 that the neighbors often heard. 757 00:43:14,488 --> 00:43:16,778 So that was always a curious aspect 758 00:43:16,865 --> 00:43:19,025 that there were no eyewitnesses to what happened. 759 00:43:19,118 --> 00:43:23,708 If there was the encounter as the prosecution laid it out, 760 00:43:23,789 --> 00:43:28,499 that no one heard any sort of noises or screams. 761 00:43:28,585 --> 00:43:29,625 [video reversing] 762 00:43:29,712 --> 00:43:31,712 [ominous music playing] 763 00:43:32,965 --> 00:43:36,505 My part of the testimony was important to the timeline. 764 00:43:38,303 --> 00:43:44,143 Just before 11:00, she saw a white Bronco coming northbound on Bundy. 765 00:43:44,226 --> 00:43:45,686 It was O.J. Simpson. 766 00:43:45,769 --> 00:43:48,769 It puts O.J. at the scene, leaving the scene. 767 00:43:48,856 --> 00:43:51,976 Marcia could have used her as a corroborating witness. 768 00:43:52,943 --> 00:43:54,703 [man] A world exclusive. 769 00:43:54,778 --> 00:43:59,238 A key witness in the case against O.J. Simpson breaks her silence. 770 00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:05,539 It was just a constant barrage of media at our door, my mom's door. 771 00:44:05,622 --> 00:44:08,042 I remember trying to put my daughter to bed, 772 00:44:08,125 --> 00:44:09,835 she was like four or five. 773 00:44:09,918 --> 00:44:12,958 And they were peering into her bedroom window with a camera. 774 00:44:13,046 --> 00:44:15,506 I had people offering me money. 775 00:44:15,591 --> 00:44:17,931 And they said, "All the witnesses are doing it, 776 00:44:18,010 --> 00:44:20,800 they're selling their stories." I could use the money. 777 00:44:21,513 --> 00:44:23,023 So then I thought, "Okay." 778 00:44:23,766 --> 00:44:27,096 I sold my story because I thought that it was okay. 779 00:44:27,186 --> 00:44:29,646 We cannot police people once they leave our building. 780 00:44:29,730 --> 00:44:32,440 We can't follow them around and say don't talk to the press. 781 00:44:32,524 --> 00:44:34,904 Marcia kept yelling at me that I had blown her case. 782 00:44:35,486 --> 00:44:39,616 I sold my story and cannot be called to testify. 783 00:44:39,698 --> 00:44:44,698 Marcia thought that tainted any testimony that she might provide. 784 00:44:44,787 --> 00:44:49,787 But for me, I believe that Jill Shively saw and experienced 785 00:44:49,875 --> 00:44:52,125 what she said she saw and experienced. 786 00:44:52,211 --> 00:44:56,011 I believed it then, I continue to believe it today. 787 00:44:56,089 --> 00:44:57,549 The fact that she sold her story 788 00:44:57,633 --> 00:45:00,643 lost all credibility in the mind of the prosecution. 789 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,099 I can understand that. 790 00:45:02,179 --> 00:45:04,219 It doesn't mean she didn't see something. 791 00:45:04,932 --> 00:45:09,482 [Darden] As prosecutors, we had rules of ethics and standards of conduct. 792 00:45:10,395 --> 00:45:12,725 We weren't supposed to get our hands dirty. 793 00:45:13,315 --> 00:45:17,895 Clearly, those are rules that should not have applied in this case, 794 00:45:17,986 --> 00:45:20,026 because this was a dogfight. 795 00:45:24,952 --> 00:45:28,582 Tom Lange, T-O-M L-A-N-G-E. 796 00:45:28,664 --> 00:45:30,334 [Darden] With Vannatter and Lange, 797 00:45:30,415 --> 00:45:34,665 you have two very accomplished, respected investigators. 798 00:45:35,587 --> 00:45:38,627 So what time did you arrive at 875 South Bundy, sir? 799 00:45:39,132 --> 00:45:40,512 4:05 in the morning. 800 00:45:41,844 --> 00:45:46,774 I was satisfied, in my mind, that the crime scene was indeed secured 801 00:45:46,849 --> 00:45:48,139 by what I saw, yes. 802 00:45:48,225 --> 00:45:50,935 This was a very, very bloody crime scene. 803 00:45:52,771 --> 00:45:55,941 You don't want to contaminate the area. The area has been secured. 804 00:45:56,024 --> 00:45:59,444 This appeared to me to be an overkill or a rage killing. 805 00:45:59,528 --> 00:46:03,408 One of the things that you do as a defense lawyer is 806 00:46:03,490 --> 00:46:07,120 you try and anticipate what the prosecution was going to do 807 00:46:07,202 --> 00:46:09,962 and how we best could put up barriers to stop them. 808 00:46:10,873 --> 00:46:15,463 We wanted to take advantage of the distrust that jurors could have, 809 00:46:15,544 --> 00:46:18,424 given the history of the LAPD in Los Angeles. 810 00:46:18,505 --> 00:46:21,375 [Cochran] Did you ever, as the investigating officer in this case, 811 00:46:21,466 --> 00:46:23,386 ever consider any other theory 812 00:46:23,468 --> 00:46:26,508 than that O.J. Simpson was the only perpetrator in this case? 813 00:46:26,597 --> 00:46:28,017 Any other theory? 814 00:46:28,098 --> 00:46:30,308 [Cochran] Yes, any other theory, any other possibility? 815 00:46:30,392 --> 00:46:34,312 I had absolutely no other evidence that would point me in any other direction. 816 00:46:34,396 --> 00:46:37,646 [Douglas] We wanted to show that the LAPD, 817 00:46:37,733 --> 00:46:39,403 they were honed in on O.J., 818 00:46:39,484 --> 00:46:40,694 it's only O.J., 819 00:46:40,777 --> 00:46:44,487 and that was all they looked at to the detriment or the exclusion 820 00:46:44,573 --> 00:46:46,743 of any other alternative theories. 821 00:46:46,825 --> 00:46:49,535 You don't want to rush to judgment in these things, do you? 822 00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:50,540 [Lange] Certainly not. 823 00:46:50,621 --> 00:46:53,961 So you want to gather all the facts you possibly can, is that correct? 824 00:46:54,041 --> 00:46:55,131 [Lange] Yes. 825 00:46:55,208 --> 00:46:56,918 These white people, excuse me, 826 00:46:57,002 --> 00:46:59,212 but that's the way I feel about this here situation, 827 00:46:59,296 --> 00:47:00,666 trying to set the brother up, 828 00:47:00,756 --> 00:47:03,546 just for the simple fact that it was a white female that got killed. 829 00:47:03,634 --> 00:47:05,684 So they're going to put it on the brother, you know? 830 00:47:05,761 --> 00:47:09,471 [Cochran] Did you at any time ever investigate any relationships 831 00:47:09,556 --> 00:47:10,766 Mr. Goldman may have had 832 00:47:10,849 --> 00:47:13,809 to determine whether or not he had any enemies, anything of that nature? 833 00:47:13,894 --> 00:47:14,814 [Darden] Objection. 834 00:47:15,562 --> 00:47:16,482 [Ito] Overruled. 835 00:47:17,356 --> 00:47:18,396 I did not. 836 00:47:19,316 --> 00:47:21,276 They're trying to throw something out there, 837 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,400 the old spaghetti-against-the-wall. 838 00:47:24,112 --> 00:47:26,322 [Cochran] Isn't it true that you, in your experience, 839 00:47:26,406 --> 00:47:29,526 know about drug killings where knives have been used? 840 00:47:29,618 --> 00:47:30,578 Isn't that correct? 841 00:47:31,954 --> 00:47:34,584 I do have knowledge of knives being used, yes. 842 00:47:34,665 --> 00:47:36,995 Now many suspect that drug use 843 00:47:37,084 --> 00:47:40,174 may have played a role in the furious homicides. 844 00:47:40,253 --> 00:47:43,883 [Kim Goldman] My brother was not a drug dealer, he was not a partygoer, 845 00:47:43,966 --> 00:47:49,096 he barely drank, he didn't do drugs, so all of that is crap. 846 00:47:49,179 --> 00:47:54,229 These are theories that aren't supported in any way, shape or form, 847 00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:55,559 with the evidence. 848 00:47:56,645 --> 00:47:58,225 And should not be put out. 849 00:47:58,313 --> 00:48:00,943 They should not be allowed to put them out. 850 00:48:02,693 --> 00:48:03,743 But they did. 851 00:48:03,819 --> 00:48:07,279 The fact that the victim may have a friend who uses drugs, 852 00:48:07,364 --> 00:48:10,244 and in light of no other evidence in that regard, 853 00:48:10,325 --> 00:48:11,945 has very little consequence to me. 854 00:48:12,035 --> 00:48:15,075 The fact that every bit of evidence that I have in this case 855 00:48:15,163 --> 00:48:17,753 points towards the defendant has a lot more to do with this. 856 00:48:17,833 --> 00:48:19,503 Is there any evidence of that? 857 00:48:19,584 --> 00:48:23,384 Was there any evidence then of any of this BS? No. 858 00:48:23,463 --> 00:48:25,513 [Cochran] So you would follow any particular lead, 859 00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:28,680 and any such lead regarding possible drug involvement 860 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,680 would be important to you as an investigator, isn't that correct? 861 00:48:32,264 --> 00:48:36,024 If I felt that this case involved drugs or drug dealers, it would. 862 00:48:36,101 --> 00:48:37,851 The fact is, it doesn't. 863 00:48:37,936 --> 00:48:40,306 [Cochran] Have you ever heard of a Colombian necktie? 864 00:48:40,397 --> 00:48:42,317 A person's throat is slashed 865 00:48:42,399 --> 00:48:45,989 and their tongue is pulled down through their neck area. 866 00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:47,609 - You ever heard of that? - No. 867 00:48:47,696 --> 00:48:49,946 Someone whose throat is slit, 868 00:48:50,032 --> 00:48:52,332 the tongue goes through the opening in the throat. 869 00:48:52,409 --> 00:48:54,039 That's called a Colombian necktie. 870 00:48:55,662 --> 00:48:58,502 There was no evidence that this was a Colombian necktie, 871 00:48:58,582 --> 00:49:00,832 or that this was a drug-related killing. 872 00:49:00,917 --> 00:49:03,127 I'd never, ever heard of a Colombian necktie. 873 00:49:03,837 --> 00:49:07,797 This is the same thing that Mr. Cochran's been doing throughout this trial. 874 00:49:07,883 --> 00:49:10,183 This is another distortion. This is another deception. 875 00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:13,260 Different jurors are going to latch on to different things, 876 00:49:13,346 --> 00:49:15,846 and so you're just putting this stuff out there. 877 00:49:16,433 --> 00:49:19,773 Johnnie Cochran had charisma, but that wasn't necessary. 878 00:49:19,853 --> 00:49:22,613 I thought, "You're doing too much. You don't have to do that." 879 00:49:22,689 --> 00:49:23,899 "Just present the case." 880 00:49:25,776 --> 00:49:27,186 [Lange] It's the cameras. 881 00:49:27,778 --> 00:49:29,568 All this crap because of the cameras. 882 00:49:29,654 --> 00:49:32,704 You allow that camera in, and you create theater. 883 00:49:32,783 --> 00:49:35,493 Hey, there's 50 million people watching. 884 00:49:35,577 --> 00:49:37,697 It became a circus. 885 00:49:38,246 --> 00:49:40,866 [man] The most compelling murder trial ever. 886 00:49:40,957 --> 00:49:44,587 This is the most talked about murder case in American history. 887 00:49:44,669 --> 00:49:48,799 This was a trial involving probably 888 00:49:48,882 --> 00:49:53,302 the most famous celebrity ever charged with murder. 889 00:49:53,386 --> 00:49:54,886 No matter where you turn, 890 00:49:54,971 --> 00:49:57,891 it seems the trial of the century is popping up everywhere. 891 00:49:57,974 --> 00:50:00,604 [emphatic music playing] 892 00:50:01,478 --> 00:50:04,358 Circus is a very good way to describe what's going on. 893 00:50:05,732 --> 00:50:08,902 It's just fantastic drama, and it's live, unscripted drama. 894 00:50:08,985 --> 00:50:10,775 You want more O.J. coverage. 895 00:50:10,862 --> 00:50:13,122 Circulation is up, ratings are up. 896 00:50:13,198 --> 00:50:15,448 It wasn't O.J. No way was it O.J. 897 00:50:15,534 --> 00:50:16,744 I don't think he did it. 898 00:50:18,286 --> 00:50:20,706 He was there, and he did it. 899 00:50:20,789 --> 00:50:22,749 [Kim Goldman] After court was over, 900 00:50:22,833 --> 00:50:25,043 a two-hour drive home to turn on the news 901 00:50:25,127 --> 00:50:27,417 and have the news recite a totally different version. 902 00:50:27,504 --> 00:50:30,924 Cochran has done a terrific job, I think, with smoke and mirrors 903 00:50:31,007 --> 00:50:32,677 and spinning a conspiracy theory. 904 00:50:32,759 --> 00:50:36,049 In this case, these police officers left a lot of stones unturned. 905 00:50:36,138 --> 00:50:40,058 What O.J. got was a presumption of guilt, not a presumption of innocence. 906 00:50:40,142 --> 00:50:42,602 If you can't trust the police, you can't trust the case. 907 00:50:42,686 --> 00:50:44,436 I would sit there for hours and watch it. 908 00:50:44,521 --> 00:50:50,071 Except for the one case of wife beating, he's got an impeccable reputation. 909 00:50:51,278 --> 00:50:53,818 I'd go to bed every night, "What the fuck just happened?" 910 00:50:53,905 --> 00:50:57,195 So much misinformation went out initially, it was ridiculous. 911 00:50:57,284 --> 00:51:00,704 We've got an investigative reporter with a story about a mystery car, 912 00:51:00,787 --> 00:51:02,207 {\an8}a possible accomplice. 913 00:51:02,289 --> 00:51:07,339 Every tabloid's trying to paint a picture… and sort of prosecuting the case already. 914 00:51:07,419 --> 00:51:12,089 [man 1] O.J. on the cover still guarantees 10 to 20% more tabloids sold. 915 00:51:13,675 --> 00:51:18,885 This is the first time where journalism's hypocrisy 916 00:51:18,972 --> 00:51:21,182 has really been shaken out of the bushes, 917 00:51:21,266 --> 00:51:23,806 where the difference between The New York Times 918 00:51:23,894 --> 00:51:28,524 and the National Enquirer has gone from this big to this big. 919 00:51:28,607 --> 00:51:30,727 And it was about commercialism, making money. 920 00:51:30,817 --> 00:51:33,987 [man 2] A root beer company promotes a DNA scratch-off contest. 921 00:51:34,070 --> 00:51:36,360 Another firm markets the O.J. crime watch. 922 00:51:36,448 --> 00:51:39,198 Time to create a new O.J. for the Hollywood Wax Museum. 923 00:51:39,284 --> 00:51:43,254 Have you seen folks out there hawking T-shirts and bumper stickers? 924 00:51:43,330 --> 00:51:45,580 I bought the Lance Ito Jell-O mold. 925 00:51:46,082 --> 00:51:50,502 [woman 1] Ronald Goldman's father calls it a disgusting attempt at commercialism. 926 00:51:51,087 --> 00:51:54,927 We made millions signing his name. He was signing autographs. 927 00:51:55,008 --> 00:51:56,888 A few hundred footballs he signed. 928 00:51:56,968 --> 00:51:57,888 Birthday cards. 929 00:51:57,969 --> 00:51:59,469 "Hey, I hear it's your birthday." 930 00:51:59,554 --> 00:52:01,974 "This is O.J. Simpson wishing you a happy birthday." 931 00:52:02,057 --> 00:52:03,137 Swear to God. 932 00:52:04,184 --> 00:52:07,774 [man 3] And sales of white Ford Broncos have doubled at some dealerships. 933 00:52:07,854 --> 00:52:11,154 If you want one today, you should expect to pay full sticker price. 934 00:52:11,233 --> 00:52:15,403 The Simpson trial was a totally immersive experience for everybody. 935 00:52:15,487 --> 00:52:18,447 It was the comedy shows, like SNL. 936 00:52:18,531 --> 00:52:19,991 Everybody look over there. 937 00:52:20,075 --> 00:52:22,575 [audience laughing] 938 00:52:22,661 --> 00:52:27,421 The first to hit the bookshelves will be Green Eggs and Ham and O.J. is Guilty. 939 00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:32,550 Every joke on every nightly show, it was just everywhere. 940 00:52:32,629 --> 00:52:35,259 My name is Kramer. You know who I am, damn it! 941 00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:37,050 [Al Cowlings] You know who I am, goddamn it! 942 00:52:39,761 --> 00:52:42,811 [woman 2] With so many reporters trying to scoop the rest of the reporters, 943 00:52:42,889 --> 00:52:45,559 big stories often turn into feeding frenzies. 944 00:52:45,642 --> 00:52:48,232 [woman 3] Mr. ******. Move away! Move! 945 00:52:48,812 --> 00:52:52,572 Once the media focused its attention on me and my family, 946 00:52:53,650 --> 00:52:56,190 now there are people who have discovered where I live 947 00:52:56,278 --> 00:52:57,698 and they're coming to my house. 948 00:52:57,779 --> 00:52:59,739 Now there are people who are mailing threats. 949 00:53:00,657 --> 00:53:04,327 And against all of that backdrop, you have the tabloid media 950 00:53:04,411 --> 00:53:08,581 and the media digging into my life, digging into my family. 951 00:53:09,207 --> 00:53:11,787 - That's horrible. - [man 3] What would you pay for a story? 952 00:53:11,876 --> 00:53:15,206 I'll give them my American Express card number, because there are no limits. 953 00:53:15,297 --> 00:53:18,547 I was always followed. Paparazzi and news people. 954 00:53:18,633 --> 00:53:21,683 Walking the street, I'd be spit in the face at least three times. 955 00:53:23,847 --> 00:53:26,097 Media was perched out in front of our house. 956 00:53:26,182 --> 00:53:30,692 I mean, trucks, lights, shining into our house on a nightly basis, 957 00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:32,110 stopping us in the streets. 958 00:53:33,148 --> 00:53:35,608 [Darden] We allowed it to come to that. 959 00:53:35,692 --> 00:53:39,242 You know, it's unfortunate, because it happened at the expense 960 00:53:39,321 --> 00:53:42,031 of these two innocent people. 961 00:53:42,115 --> 00:53:46,995 [crowd chanting] Remember the victims! Remember the victims! 962 00:53:47,078 --> 00:53:49,618 Remember the victims! 963 00:53:50,415 --> 00:53:55,245 If O.J. Simpson had been on trial for killing his first wife, 964 00:53:55,837 --> 00:53:57,707 none of us would care. 965 00:53:57,797 --> 00:54:00,677 And all of us would have gone on with our lives 966 00:54:00,759 --> 00:54:03,009 because she's Black, correct? 967 00:54:03,094 --> 00:54:08,314 So, regrettably, race is still the third rail in America. 968 00:54:08,391 --> 00:54:12,731 But with the racial dynamics stratified in Los Angeles, 969 00:54:12,812 --> 00:54:17,112 coming as it did in that time of 1994, 970 00:54:17,192 --> 00:54:19,612 after the Rodney King uprising… 971 00:54:19,694 --> 00:54:20,574 [camera clicks] 972 00:54:20,653 --> 00:54:24,373 …it was central to our defense 973 00:54:24,449 --> 00:54:29,199 that we attack Fuhrman and his credibility. 974 00:54:29,287 --> 00:54:31,657 It was inevitable that race would come into the case 975 00:54:32,248 --> 00:54:35,788 because of Fuhrman's central role in the case 976 00:54:36,753 --> 00:54:38,923 and his racist statements. 977 00:54:39,672 --> 00:54:41,672 [tense music playing] 978 00:54:42,258 --> 00:54:43,588 [Rivera] As the trial progressed, 979 00:54:43,676 --> 00:54:46,756 the prosecution had to make a decision about Mark Fuhrman. 980 00:54:49,099 --> 00:54:51,309 The first question is do you put Fuhrman on? 981 00:54:51,393 --> 00:54:54,483 Mark Fuhrman played such an important role in gathering the evidence 982 00:54:54,562 --> 00:54:58,982 that it would have been impossible to carry on that case without him. 983 00:54:59,943 --> 00:55:01,693 [Darden] And it's a problem because 984 00:55:01,778 --> 00:55:05,368 you have this allegation of him being a racist on the one hand, 985 00:55:05,448 --> 00:55:06,658 and on the other hand, 986 00:55:06,741 --> 00:55:09,241 Fuhrman is at Bundy pointing to a bloody glove. 987 00:55:10,495 --> 00:55:14,165 And then Mark Fuhrman is at Rockingham, behind a bungalow, 988 00:55:14,958 --> 00:55:16,668 and there's a bloody glove. 989 00:55:16,751 --> 00:55:20,461 It's one of the most important items of evidence in this case, 990 00:55:20,547 --> 00:55:22,047 maybe the most important. 991 00:55:23,425 --> 00:55:24,675 I'm a problem child. 992 00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:27,010 I had baggage. I got it. 993 00:55:27,887 --> 00:55:29,057 Get rid of me. 994 00:55:29,889 --> 00:55:33,889 But, Marcia Clark, she made me one of her key witnesses. 995 00:55:35,353 --> 00:55:39,443 The fact of the matter is that he's a sworn police officer, a detective, 996 00:55:39,524 --> 00:55:42,244 and he has recovered evidence in the crime scene. 997 00:55:42,318 --> 00:55:45,198 And we need to present this evidence. 998 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,200 If they didn't call him, 999 00:55:47,282 --> 00:55:50,582 the defense would call him and then say to the jury, 1000 00:55:50,660 --> 00:55:52,660 "Look who they were hiding from you." 1001 00:55:52,745 --> 00:55:56,075 So you're kind of fucked if you do and you're fucked if you don't. 1002 00:55:57,125 --> 00:55:59,705 All right, back on the record in the Simpson matter. 1003 00:56:00,420 --> 00:56:02,590 {\an8}Mr. Darden. Good morning. 1004 00:56:03,339 --> 00:56:04,299 {\an8}Good morning, Judge. 1005 00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:09,219 [Darden] I believe if we call Mark and the defense is allowed to get into race, 1006 00:56:09,304 --> 00:56:11,314 and things Fuhrman has said about race, 1007 00:56:12,182 --> 00:56:15,562 it's gonna be hard, if not impossible, to get back to the real reason we're here, 1008 00:56:15,643 --> 00:56:18,443 and that is to examine the evidence for what it is. 1009 00:56:18,521 --> 00:56:22,571 Detective Fuhrman is going to play a very, very small role in this case. 1010 00:56:22,650 --> 00:56:24,360 This wasn't his case. 1011 00:56:24,444 --> 00:56:26,574 He was not the investigating officer 1012 00:56:26,654 --> 00:56:28,994 or the lead investigating officer in this case. 1013 00:56:29,073 --> 00:56:30,663 He just happened to find a glove. 1014 00:56:30,742 --> 00:56:36,542 We're there arguing, questioning, whether or not Fuhrman's use of an epithet 1015 00:56:36,623 --> 00:56:37,833 is legally relevant. 1016 00:56:37,916 --> 00:56:39,996 Now when the man is called to the witness stand, 1017 00:56:40,084 --> 00:56:43,464 we're going to go 15 years back or 14 years back, and ask him 1018 00:56:43,546 --> 00:56:45,966 if he ever made a racial slur? 1019 00:56:46,049 --> 00:56:49,589 It is a dirty, filthy word. 1020 00:56:50,178 --> 00:56:51,468 It blinds people. 1021 00:56:52,805 --> 00:56:55,725 It'll blind the jury. It'll blind them to the truth. 1022 00:56:55,808 --> 00:56:59,728 Johnnie was offended by the words, by the argument. 1023 00:56:59,812 --> 00:57:00,812 I was offended. 1024 00:57:01,689 --> 00:57:05,779 There was just no place in the trial for the use of the N-word. 1025 00:57:05,860 --> 00:57:09,530 I know other people disagree, but I disagree with them. 1026 00:57:10,365 --> 00:57:11,525 We can't win. 1027 00:57:13,451 --> 00:57:14,741 No matter what. 1028 00:57:14,827 --> 00:57:17,117 Because now we're trying a race case. 1029 00:57:17,205 --> 00:57:18,535 We're not trying O.J. Simpson, 1030 00:57:18,623 --> 00:57:21,713 and we're not trying the issue of whether he killed two people on Bundy. 1031 00:57:21,793 --> 00:57:25,923 [Douglas] I remember Johnnie said, "Is he serious, talking this shit?" 1032 00:57:26,005 --> 00:57:28,255 "Or is he just saying it to make the point?" 1033 00:57:28,341 --> 00:57:31,011 I would be remiss were I not at this time 1034 00:57:31,094 --> 00:57:34,684 to take this opportunity to respond to my good friend, Mr. Chris Darden. 1035 00:57:34,764 --> 00:57:37,564 Johnnie had a unique way that when he was angry, 1036 00:57:37,642 --> 00:57:40,312 he was at his most articulate. 1037 00:57:40,395 --> 00:57:42,855 His remarks this morning 1038 00:57:42,939 --> 00:57:46,319 are perhaps the most incredible remarks I've heard in a court of law 1039 00:57:46,943 --> 00:57:49,073 in the 32 years I've been practicing law. 1040 00:57:50,196 --> 00:57:54,776 His remarks are demeaning to African Americans as a group. 1041 00:57:56,327 --> 00:58:00,077 And so I want to apologize to African Americans across this country. 1042 00:58:00,164 --> 00:58:03,634 Nobody wants to introduce race into this case, Your Honor. 1043 00:58:03,710 --> 00:58:05,710 But as Mr. Darden has pointed out, 1044 00:58:05,795 --> 00:58:09,125 race plays a part of everything in America. 1045 00:58:09,215 --> 00:58:15,045 He was being used by the white prosecution to carry their water. 1046 00:58:15,138 --> 00:58:18,098 What we're going to be talking about this afternoon, Your Honor, 1047 00:58:18,182 --> 00:58:21,272 is words out of the mouth of Mark Fuhrman. 1048 00:58:21,853 --> 00:58:25,523 And I am ashamed that Mr. Darden 1049 00:58:25,607 --> 00:58:29,357 would allow himself to become an apologist for this man. 1050 00:58:31,029 --> 00:58:33,699 [Darden] I did not expect things to get that personal. 1051 00:58:34,198 --> 00:58:36,578 When he called me an apologist for a racist, 1052 00:58:36,659 --> 00:58:38,409 I could've punched him in the face. 1053 00:58:38,494 --> 00:58:41,464 Shit, I'm not an apologist for Mark Fuhrman 1054 00:58:41,539 --> 00:58:43,579 or the Mark Fuhrmans of the world. 1055 00:58:44,459 --> 00:58:46,749 I was just trying to get, you know, 1056 00:58:46,836 --> 00:58:50,006 the justice the Brown family and the Goldman family deserve. 1057 00:58:52,175 --> 00:58:59,055 They're trying to connect an act inside of an investigation 1058 00:58:59,557 --> 00:59:02,767 with a motivation that's racial in nature. 1059 00:59:02,852 --> 00:59:04,692 There's not much preparation for that. 1060 00:59:04,771 --> 00:59:06,901 Some of this evidence can't possibly lie. 1061 00:59:06,981 --> 00:59:08,861 - [camera clicks] - It's DNA. 1062 00:59:12,487 --> 00:59:14,197 [Toobin] The day that Mark Fuhrman testified 1063 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,160 was clearly one of the most dramatic days of the trial, 1064 00:59:17,241 --> 00:59:20,871 because he was not only a controversial figure, 1065 00:59:21,454 --> 00:59:24,584 he walked into the courtroom sort of like a movie star. 1066 00:59:28,169 --> 00:59:33,879 Everybody knew that the trial had reached a point 1067 00:59:33,966 --> 00:59:35,926 where you sure as hell had to pay attention. 1068 00:59:40,765 --> 00:59:42,475 I mean, I was kind of taken back. 1069 00:59:43,351 --> 00:59:44,891 I'm going in front of 1070 00:59:46,479 --> 00:59:50,319 all the TV cameras, on this big, important case. 1071 00:59:51,442 --> 00:59:54,652 I just tried to focus on the person asking me questions. 1072 00:59:55,571 --> 00:59:56,781 [Clark] Detective Fuhrman, 1073 00:59:56,864 --> 00:59:59,204 can you tell us how you feel about testifying today? 1074 01:00:00,243 --> 01:00:01,293 Nervous. 1075 01:00:02,036 --> 01:00:04,246 - Reluctant. - [Clark] Can you tell us why? 1076 01:00:04,831 --> 01:00:07,541 [Fuhrman] I've seen a lot of the evidence ignored 1077 01:00:07,625 --> 01:00:11,375 and a lot of personal issues come to the forefront. 1078 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,970 It was a dooming feeling 1079 01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:18,889 that I was just going through the motions from that point on. 1080 01:00:19,762 --> 01:00:21,762 [Clark] In the early morning hours of June the 13th, 1081 01:00:21,848 --> 01:00:24,768 when you arrived at the location of 360 North Rockingham, 1082 01:00:24,851 --> 01:00:26,311 what happened next? 1083 01:00:27,228 --> 01:00:32,478 [Fuhrman] Walking down the path and I saw a dark object. 1084 01:00:33,609 --> 01:00:35,819 [Clark] Could you tell what that dark object was? 1085 01:00:36,529 --> 01:00:39,739 It looked similar to the glove on the Bundy scene. 1086 01:00:40,408 --> 01:00:42,368 I had no reason not to believe Mark Fuhrman 1087 01:00:42,452 --> 01:00:44,162 when he said he found the glove. 1088 01:00:44,245 --> 01:00:45,575 I took him for his word. 1089 01:00:45,663 --> 01:00:46,503 [camera clicks] 1090 01:00:46,581 --> 01:00:50,131 [Fuhrman] It appeared to be the same texture of leather, same color. 1091 01:00:50,209 --> 01:00:54,089 When I met Fuhrman, he seemed to be a very good investigator. 1092 01:00:54,172 --> 01:00:55,802 He seemed to be bright. 1093 01:00:57,216 --> 01:00:59,586 I didn't see any problem with him being a detective. 1094 01:00:59,677 --> 01:01:03,057 [Toobin] Mark Fuhrman was a good witness on direct examination, 1095 01:01:03,139 --> 01:01:05,929 but it's easy to be a good witness on direct examination, 1096 01:01:06,017 --> 01:01:08,437 because you can rehearse it 1097 01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:12,859 and you have someone asking you questions who wants you to be believed. 1098 01:01:12,940 --> 01:01:15,860 The test of a witness is how you do on cross. 1099 01:01:16,444 --> 01:01:18,324 {\an8}[dramatic music playing] 1100 01:01:18,404 --> 01:01:21,744 {\an8}F. Lee Bailey was doing an elaborate workup 1101 01:01:21,824 --> 01:01:23,834 of what he called, "The Fuhrman Funeral." 1102 01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:28,250 {\an8}The prosecution has opened this door rather deliberately, 1103 01:01:29,165 --> 01:01:31,575 knowing full well that there would be questions 1104 01:01:31,667 --> 01:01:34,957 as to whether or not the someone, and there has to be someone, 1105 01:01:35,671 --> 01:01:40,591 who transported that glove to Rockingham could have been Detective Fuhrman. 1106 01:01:40,676 --> 01:01:45,136 F. Lee Bailey was maybe the most famous defense attorney in the United States. 1107 01:01:46,015 --> 01:01:47,885 This package 1108 01:01:47,975 --> 01:01:53,105 could easily have been kept in a man's sock, short or tall. 1109 01:01:53,189 --> 01:01:55,979 F. Lee Bailey was an expert cross-examiner, 1110 01:01:56,067 --> 01:01:59,647 and in Bailey's account, Fuhrman was the key to the case. 1111 01:01:59,737 --> 01:02:01,657 So he announced he's taking Fuhrman. 1112 01:02:01,739 --> 01:02:02,869 "I want this guy." 1113 01:02:02,949 --> 01:02:04,369 [tense music playing] 1114 01:02:04,450 --> 01:02:07,450 [Ito] Mr. Bailey, you may resume with your cross-examination. 1115 01:02:11,749 --> 01:02:14,129 [Bailey] Detective Fuhrman, did you believe 1116 01:02:14,836 --> 01:02:16,746 that you would be an essential witness 1117 01:02:16,838 --> 01:02:20,378 if you were the first to find an important piece of evidence? 1118 01:02:21,467 --> 01:02:23,467 I couldn't make that determination at that time. 1119 01:02:23,553 --> 01:02:26,103 I didn't even know what the implication of the glove was. 1120 01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:27,970 [Bailey] You told us the minute you saw it, 1121 01:02:28,057 --> 01:02:30,557 you thought it looked like the one on Bundy, didn't you? 1122 01:02:30,643 --> 01:02:31,483 Yes, sir. 1123 01:02:31,561 --> 01:02:33,401 You can't prepare for F. Lee Bailey. 1124 01:02:35,147 --> 01:02:39,027 He's very aggressive, very condescending, in your face. 1125 01:02:39,110 --> 01:02:43,780 He makes accusations without making an accusation, innuendos. 1126 01:02:45,074 --> 01:02:50,374 Was it not your purpose to be in the area along the south wall alone? 1127 01:02:51,455 --> 01:02:52,455 No, it wasn't. 1128 01:02:52,540 --> 01:02:54,830 It just worked out that way, is that it? 1129 01:02:55,376 --> 01:02:57,626 I didn't even know the south wall was accessible. 1130 01:02:57,712 --> 01:03:02,222 If you can imagine, 37 million people are watching, 1131 01:03:02,300 --> 01:03:06,640 my police chief, everybody on the department. 1132 01:03:07,805 --> 01:03:12,385 Sometimes you plan on day one something for day nine. 1133 01:03:12,476 --> 01:03:14,936 We had three or four other witnesses 1134 01:03:15,021 --> 01:03:17,611 who had experienced occasions 1135 01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:21,690 when Fuhrman had used the N-word pejoratively, 1136 01:03:21,777 --> 01:03:23,487 talking about Black people. 1137 01:03:23,571 --> 01:03:26,661 So Lee was laying the predicate for us 1138 01:03:26,741 --> 01:03:29,451 calling the other witnesses who we had lined up 1139 01:03:29,535 --> 01:03:31,445 that were going to contradict him. 1140 01:03:31,537 --> 01:03:34,457 [Bailey] Did you say, while in the recruiting station, 1141 01:03:34,540 --> 01:03:37,000 at any time during those years, 1142 01:03:37,585 --> 01:03:42,625 that when you see "a nigger driving with a white woman," 1143 01:03:42,715 --> 01:03:43,835 you pull them over? 1144 01:03:44,467 --> 01:03:45,427 No. 1145 01:03:47,595 --> 01:03:51,385 [Darden] When they start going into race, I'm saying, "Marcia, object. Object." 1146 01:03:52,516 --> 01:03:56,266 And maybe the objection gets overruled, but she doesn't object. 1147 01:03:56,354 --> 01:03:58,234 And, you know, they go in on him. 1148 01:03:59,565 --> 01:04:03,315 [Bailey] Is it possible that you have forgotten that act on your part? 1149 01:04:03,402 --> 01:04:04,452 No, it's not possible. 1150 01:04:04,528 --> 01:04:07,778 [Bailey] Are you therefore saying that you have not used that word 1151 01:04:07,865 --> 01:04:10,615 in the past ten years, Detective Fuhrman? 1152 01:04:10,701 --> 01:04:12,121 Yes, that's what I'm saying. 1153 01:04:12,203 --> 01:04:15,333 [Douglas] When Bailey examined Mark Fuhrman, 1154 01:04:15,414 --> 01:04:19,424 we expected Mark Fuhrman to deny ever using the N-word. 1155 01:04:19,502 --> 01:04:21,882 [Bailey] So that anyone who comes to this court 1156 01:04:21,963 --> 01:04:23,923 and quotes you as using that word 1157 01:04:24,423 --> 01:04:27,513 in dealing with African Americans would be a liar, Detective Fuhrman? 1158 01:04:27,593 --> 01:04:28,473 Yes, they would. 1159 01:04:28,552 --> 01:04:30,472 - [Bailey] All of them, correct? - All of them. 1160 01:04:30,554 --> 01:04:32,894 If he's a liar about something else, 1161 01:04:32,974 --> 01:04:34,984 maybe he would lie about planting the glove. 1162 01:04:37,353 --> 01:04:38,603 [Bailey] All right, thank you. 1163 01:04:39,397 --> 01:04:42,897 We had caught him in a bald-faced lie. 1164 01:04:42,984 --> 01:04:44,744 He knows it. 1165 01:04:44,819 --> 01:04:47,779 Everyone on the prosecution knows it. 1166 01:04:47,863 --> 01:04:51,123 And there's nothing they can do to stop it. 1167 01:04:52,034 --> 01:04:54,164 I could defend a Klansman, I suppose, 1168 01:04:54,245 --> 01:04:56,365 as long as he admits he's a Klansman. 1169 01:04:56,872 --> 01:04:58,372 Don't lie about it. 1170 01:04:59,166 --> 01:05:01,786 If this is who you are, tell the jury who you are. 1171 01:05:01,877 --> 01:05:03,587 Yeah, they're going to hate you. 1172 01:05:03,671 --> 01:05:06,761 Yeah, they're going to question the integrity of our evidence. 1173 01:05:06,841 --> 01:05:09,181 But at least we're being honest. 1174 01:05:09,260 --> 01:05:12,220 [male reporter 1] The jurors sat transfixed at that exchange 1175 01:05:12,304 --> 01:05:15,064 and most certainly tonight have questions about Fuhrman. 1176 01:05:15,141 --> 01:05:19,271 [male reporter 2] Suddenly, Fuhrman is the most famous cop in America. 1177 01:05:19,353 --> 01:05:21,403 If he was the Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, 1178 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:22,940 he couldn't have planted this glove. 1179 01:05:23,024 --> 01:05:25,654 I think he did set O.J. Simpson up. That's what I think. 1180 01:05:25,735 --> 01:05:28,645 I'm not saying he did, but it's a possibility. 1181 01:05:28,738 --> 01:05:32,578 It does not show anything more that he planted any evidence 1182 01:05:32,658 --> 01:05:33,868 against O.J. Simpson. 1183 01:05:33,951 --> 01:05:36,371 I mean, who hasn't uttered a racial statement before? 1184 01:05:36,454 --> 01:05:38,004 I have. Everybody has. 1185 01:05:39,206 --> 01:05:41,536 I was put in a position that, um… 1186 01:05:43,294 --> 01:05:45,094 I relive all the time. 1187 01:05:47,131 --> 01:05:51,051 If you say yes, I'll probably end up getting fired. 1188 01:05:52,094 --> 01:05:56,274 F. Lee Bailey made the ridiculous claim 1189 01:05:56,348 --> 01:05:59,938 that I planted the glove at Rockingham, 1190 01:06:00,019 --> 01:06:01,689 that I took it from Bundy. 1191 01:06:01,771 --> 01:06:03,061 Planting of evidence… 1192 01:06:03,147 --> 01:06:05,517 I'm sorry, it just didn't happen. 1193 01:06:07,193 --> 01:06:09,783 [Darden] I don't believe Fuhrman planted anything. 1194 01:06:09,862 --> 01:06:13,702 I don't believe that at all. And I think the science supports that. 1195 01:06:14,325 --> 01:06:17,405 Number one, Mark Fuhrman's DNA isn't on the glove. 1196 01:06:17,495 --> 01:06:19,495 Number two, the glove and its location 1197 01:06:19,580 --> 01:06:22,420 is consistent with what Kato Kaelin said he heard. 1198 01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:23,630 I heard a thumping noise. 1199 01:06:25,961 --> 01:06:30,971 Fifteen cops saw the one glove there before Fuhrman ever arrived. 1200 01:06:31,050 --> 01:06:33,340 So how did he pick up a glove that wasn't there 1201 01:06:33,427 --> 01:06:35,297 and took it to Rockingham and dumped it? 1202 01:06:35,387 --> 01:06:36,257 This was silly. 1203 01:06:37,973 --> 01:06:40,523 {\an8}Whole thing was an illusion. They put Mark on the trial, 1204 01:06:40,601 --> 01:06:42,231 {\an8}not O.J. Simpson at that point. 1205 01:06:42,311 --> 01:06:43,771 {\an8}Now it's all about racism. 1206 01:06:44,438 --> 01:06:48,528 And it was a calamity of mistakes from top down. 1207 01:06:48,609 --> 01:06:52,569 There was evidence throughout the inside of the house, never made it to trial. 1208 01:06:52,655 --> 01:06:54,865 [tense, dramatic music playing] 1209 01:07:00,704 --> 01:07:02,624 It's like I said at the beginning of this. 1210 01:07:02,706 --> 01:07:03,786 "You don't need me." 1211 01:07:03,874 --> 01:07:06,094 "I found a few pieces of evidence." 1212 01:07:06,168 --> 01:07:07,208 "We've got 300." 1213 01:07:09,630 --> 01:07:10,460 "Move on." 1214 01:07:11,132 --> 01:07:14,432 I said to Marcia, "Did the fingerprint come back?" 1215 01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:18,720 She said, "No. Vannatter, Lange, they didn't read your notes." 1216 01:07:18,806 --> 01:07:21,016 [music intensifies] 1217 01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:24,730 LA print expert did go there, did the whole gate. 1218 01:07:24,812 --> 01:07:27,482 We've got pictures of them. There were four of them there. 1219 01:07:28,065 --> 01:07:31,775 They made 17 lifts in that whole area. 1220 01:07:31,861 --> 01:07:33,031 But guess what. 1221 01:07:33,112 --> 01:07:36,032 They didn't see one back there in that gate, and they printed it. 1222 01:07:40,369 --> 01:07:42,449 That, again, is BS. 1223 01:07:42,538 --> 01:07:44,368 Mark Fuhrman made his own bed. 1224 01:07:44,456 --> 01:07:48,166 He knew he had used the N-word before. 1225 01:07:48,252 --> 01:07:51,632 But he chose to lie in a murder case 1226 01:07:52,506 --> 01:07:56,506 to help convict someone whom he thought was guilty. 1227 01:07:56,594 --> 01:08:00,894 And he feared telling the truth might interfere with that. 1228 01:08:00,973 --> 01:08:03,483 And then over the summer, we get the tapes, and 1229 01:08:04,351 --> 01:08:05,351 everything changes. 1230 01:08:05,436 --> 01:08:07,436 [mysterious music playing] 1231 01:08:08,397 --> 01:08:11,187 {\an8}I'm the key witness in the biggest case of the century. 1232 01:08:11,692 --> 01:08:13,152 {\an8}And if I go down, 1233 01:08:13,861 --> 01:08:15,201 {\an8}they lose the case. 1234 01:08:15,279 --> 01:08:16,659 {\an8}The glove is everything. 1235 01:08:16,739 --> 01:08:18,029 {\an8}Without the glove… 1236 01:08:18,866 --> 01:08:19,736 {\an8}bye-bye. 1237 01:08:19,825 --> 01:08:22,195 [tense, dramatic music playing] 1238 01:11:16,377 --> 01:11:18,377 [music fades out]