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Him being a racist doesn't necessarily
mean that he planted the evidence,
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but if there is any proof of that,
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it should have a bearing on the case.
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He can't even get
his lies straight in the courtroom.
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{\an8}There were moments where Johnnie Cochran
would ask a question
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{\an8}and I'm like,
"I was wondering the same thing."
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"So if I'm wondering that,
the jury must be wondering that."
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"That's not good."
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But the DNA.
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I kept thinking, "There's no way
they can excuse the DNA. There's no way."
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{\an8}The DNA evidence in this case should
have been enough to convict anybody.
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Now, it's 1994.
And now we have this new thing,
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this brand-new thing called forensic DNA.
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{\an8}We've advanced our ability
to extract information from blood
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{\an8}with the development of DNA testing.
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{\an8}The only question is whether
you could get a jury to believe it.
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O.J. is traveling
or moving between the two bodies,
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and he's transferring blood and DNA
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from Ron to Nicole
and Nicole to Ron, and on to himself.
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They had the classic, what criminalists
call, the two-way transfer.
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{\an8}Blood of the victims on items
that's associated with O.J.,
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{\an8}blood of O.J. on items
associated with the victims,
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which, at first glance,
looks pretty darn incriminating.
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And you have the DNA of
three different people inside the Bronco,
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which is now parked at his house.
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This bloodstain was on the console
that is consistent with a mixture
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of the defendant,
Ron Goldman, and Nicole Brown.
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Where could he get
the DNA of the two dead victims
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and mix it with his own
unless he was at the crime scene?
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My brother's DNA was
where it shouldn't be if it wasn't him.
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You could figure out a way
to explain why Nicole's was there
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because they were involved, right?
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The kids were coming in
and out of the car. "Okay, I could…"
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But my brother's hair and fibers?
Why were they on the killer?
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Why were they on his hat?
Why were they on the glove? In his car?
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The socks, thrown hastily
at the foot of the defendant's bed.
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The blood on one spot
matched the defendant.
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The blood on another spot matched Nicole.
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{\an8}O.J. Simpson's blood
was found both at the crime scene
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and on the bloody glove at his house.
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[man] Consistent with a mixture
of the samples of Mr. Simpson,
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{\an8}Nicole Brown, and also Ronald Goldman.
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{\an8}Because of the blood discovered
in the various locations,
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it was not just beyond a reasonable doubt,
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it was beyond all doubt
that O.J. was there,
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that O.J. fled the scene,
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that O.J. was the murderer.
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[Clark] And that is the aim
of DNA testing.
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You can listen and you'll say,
"By God. I think the man did it."
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Guilty as sin. There's so much evidence.
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O.J. said, "Mike, I believe in DNA.
I see the evidence."
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I mean, they've got evidence on me.
I can't explain some of this stuff.
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{\an8}"Wouldn't I know I did it?"
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{\an8}I remember thinking, "I don't know what
you would know and what you wouldn't."
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{\an8}So at that point, I really thought
that he may have done it.
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{\an8}[man] Do you think plea bargain
when you hear these DNA results?
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{\an8}Are you kidding?
You here today? Absolutely not.
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If DNA testing is done well, properly
and presented in a responsible way,
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very powerful, wonderful stuff.
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But it doesn't matter
how definitive the DNA test is
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if you don't know whether
the DNA you're testing in the sample
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came from where you thought it came from.
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There were many examples
of tampering, planting, gross negligence.
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[Douglas] After the murders,
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{\an8}each of the news organizations were
filming during all the data collection
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{\an8}and different angles
and different cameras.
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{\an8}Peter and Barry watched
hundreds of hours of raw footage
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taken from the scene.
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Barry was meticulous to try to find out
how evidence was being collected.
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And he had far greater experience
explaining the infinitesimal ways
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that evidence could be cross-contaminated.
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{\an8}[Thomson] It was clear that Fung
and the other crime scene people
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{\an8}were not strictly following protocols.
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They did not realize
and were not adequately trained
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to appreciate the potential for transfer
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of small quantities of biological material
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that could create problems
with DNA testing.
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We knew we would have to tell a story
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where Fung was either
dishonest or incompetent.
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The minute cross-examination began
of Dennis Fung
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in the collection of evidence,
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the defense began to tee off on the LAPD.
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My name is Dennis Fung.
D-E-N-N-I-S F-U-N-G.
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Good afternoon, Mr. Fung.
How are you, sir?
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[Thomson] Scheck,
he's a feisty street fighter.
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He came up as
a public defender in the Bronx.
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He actually said,
"We're gonna do a Bronx defense."
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A defense that would appeal
to a lower-class jury
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that's skeptical of the police.
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[Scheck] Would you agree
that it is the role of the criminalist
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to preserve the integrity of evidence?
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[Fung] That is one of the roles. Yes.
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And that would mean
that it's your job to make sure
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that evidence is not contaminated?
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Yes.
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I did not like Barry Scheck at all.
I said, "Man, he's abrasive."
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"I don't think the jury's gonna bite.
I don't think they're gonna like him."
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I said, "O.J., you gotta fire that guy."
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O.J. said, "Mike. I love him."
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O.J. ended up being right.
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When you arrived at the crime scene,
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you saw that there was a blanket
over the body of Nicole Brown Simpson.
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Did you make any inquiry about
where that blanket had come from?
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No, I didn't.
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[Scheck] Know where the blanket come from?
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Probably the inside of the house.
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[Scheck] Do you know whether there's
trace evidence on that blanket or sheet?
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- Trace evidence?
- [Scheck] Trace evidence from her body.
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I would have no way of knowing
what was on that blanket.
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That's how we had to protect
that evidence, there's no other way.
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And Mr. Goldman's body was eventually
placed in the area of that blanket?
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[Lange] Yes.
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This creates the possibility
of transfer of items
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from inside the house to the crime scene.
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There could've been all kinds…
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O.J.'s hair could have been
on that blanket for all we know.
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[Scheck] That's a terrible mistake
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from the point of view
of a criminalist, isn't it?
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I would prefer that it was not done.
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If I hadn't done it, what do you suppose
they would've criticized me for then?
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"Well, why didn't you protect the body?
It's evidence."
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One of the themes
we wanted to develop was that
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the detectives and
the evidence technicians were bunglers.
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That they were incompetent.
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{\an8}[Scheck] Officer Riske, I want
to show you on exhibit 56
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{\an8}two photographs side-by-side.
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You take a look at the envelope
in these two different photographs.
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- See the grouting here?
- Yes, sir.
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[Scheck] Envelope's on the other side?
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[Riske] Yes.
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[Scheck] Can you explain
how that envelope got moved?
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No.
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- [Scheck] You can't?
- No.
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A good trial lawyer
will take the smallest mistake
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and grow it into something unrecognizable.
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Do mistakes happen? Yes.
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So do you throw
the baby out with the bathwater?
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No.
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[Scheck] You never saw the glove
in any different position
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prior to the time it was collected?
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I don't recall it being
in a different position. No.
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There was evidence to support
the theory of planting of those items.
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[Scheck] You'll notice
the fingers of the glove
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are pointed toward a tennis shoe.
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- Do you see that?
- [Riske] Yes.
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[Scheck] This next exhibit. Can you see
where the V part of the glove
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is now pointing in another direction?
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[Riske] Yes, sir.
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[Scheck] And that the fingers of the glove
are now pointed in a different direction?
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- [Riske] Yes.
- [Scheck] The glove moved.
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- You see that?
- Yes, sir.
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- Were you there when this happened?
- No, I wasn't.
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Hmm. That's very important.
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Now we had unchallenged proof
evidence was being moved.
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Evidence was ending up somewhere
where it wasn't supposed to be.
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[Kim Goldman] I remember thinking,
"This is not good."
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But I was like, "No, it's science.
Nobody can argue science."
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It is quite easy to transfer biological
material from one item to another.
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If you are not wearing gloves,
it can be on your finger.
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If you are wearing gloves,
it can be on the glove.
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[Scheck] When you are collecting an item,
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you would not touch that item
with your bare hand, would you?
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[Fung] I would try not to.
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Well, you say you'd try not to.
It would be wrong to do that, wouldn't it?
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[Fung] If it was for prints, yes.
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Though he conceded if he picked up items
of evidence without gloves, that'd be bad,
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he denied ever doing it.
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Did you touch that envelope
with your bare hands
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while collecting it, Mr. Fung?
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No.
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- Sure of that?
- [Fung] Yes.
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No question about it in your mind?
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Yes.
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Your Honor, with permission,
I'd like to show this clip.
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[Scheck] There! There!
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How about that, Mr. Fung?
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He's confronted with a picture of him
holding the envelope with the glasses
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in his bare hands.
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And the classic line…
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How about that, Mr. Fung?
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[Scheck] You want to see that again
in slow motion, Mr. Fung?
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- I don't need to see it in slow motion.
- [Scheck] All right.
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So, what you said before wasn't true.
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[Fung] It was to the best
of my recollection at the time.
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Dennis Fung had to admit he was wrong,
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and that was the basis
for our entire cross-contamination theme,
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which was in essence to combat
the DNA numbers that were so astronomical.
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It was a "You got me!" moment.
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He was a very inexperienced testifier.
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He's not used to people pointing fingers
at him and accusing him of things.
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Barry Scheck offered the jury a reason
to disbelieve all the forensic evidence.
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{\an8}He did a remarkable job of poking holes.
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[Thomson] The key piece of evidence
from the crime scene
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is the sample from the back gate
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that had large quantities
of DNA matching O.J.
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We knew we had to attack that.
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Scheck pointed out
that the blood from the back gate
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had not been collected
the day after the crime.
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It was collected
like two weeks after the crime.
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Why not? I don't know.
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Maybe they got tired.
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It seems like a really important
thing to do. Does it not?
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So Scheck came in and he said,
"All right."
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"Two weeks passed,
they had O.J.'s blood samples."
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"Somebody could've planted
that blood on the back gate."
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"But Barry, we're gonna
have trouble arguing it was planted
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if they have pictures of it
the day after the crime."
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So Scheck said,
"Let's look at those pictures."
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[camera clicks]
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We pulled out the pictures
taken the day after the crime…
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[camera clicks]
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and we were actually astounded to find
that they did not show
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the bloodstain that was
collected two weeks later.
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Where the bloodstain was said to
have been collected two weeks later,
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there was no blood.
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I was floored.
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[Scheck] You see what is marked as 116?
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- [Fung] Yes.
- [Scheck] That's a blood drop on the gate.
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- [Fung] Yes.
- [Scheck] That's what you saw on July 3rd.
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Yes.
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[Scheck] Let's look back at the picture
of the gate on June 13th.
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[tense music playing]
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Where is it, Mr. Fung?
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[Fung] I can't see it in the photograph.
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Fung got about 99.9% of the blood.
That's pretty good.
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[Thomson] I think it's one of
the most iconic moments of the trial.
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Where was it? Nobody knows.
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Issues concerning whether there have been
any tampering of evidence in the past.
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These are all relevant issues.
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The person who'd had custody
of O.J.'s blood vial
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might have been able
to take some blood from it
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and plant blood on the back gate.
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[tense, dramatic music playing]
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There's a preservative
that is found in test tubes
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called EDTA.
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It is an anticoagulant.
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If it was a planted sample from
the reference tube from O.J. Simpson,
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it would have had this
chemical substance called EDTA.
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[Douglas] The blood on the gate
that was not seen three weeks earlier
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at the time of the murders
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had the highest quantity of EDTA,
well above any of the other samples.
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The prosecution's own testing found EDTA.
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What more does one need?
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EDTA is found in liquid detergents.
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It's also found in paint.
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The back gate was painted
at one point or another.
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Oh, baloney.
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I haven't seen any scientific workups
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that say that it could have
come from the paint.
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Meanwhile, O.J. has provided
a reference sample of his blood.
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{\an8}It's been carried around LA
by Detective Vannatter.
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There was no reason for him to
be carrying this blood vial all over town
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and taking it to the crime scene
and taking it to Rockingham,
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and keeping it that long
before turning it in.
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The whole circumstance is suspicious.
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{\an8}How many times have you taken blood
from Parker Center out to a crime scene?
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{\an8}[Vannatter] This may have been
the first time.
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I don't know.
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I can't recall right now
any other times that I've done that.
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I made the decision to hand-carry it
to the criminalist
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who was processing all the other evidence.
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- Where was the criminalist?
- [Vannatter] At Rockingham.
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I drove straight to Rockingham,
checked in,
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and immediately gave the blood
to the criminalist
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who'd finished his work and was leaving.
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[Scheck] In your experience,
have you ever before been in a situation
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where a detective obtained
a blood sample from a suspect
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and instead of booking it downtown
where it was taken,
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drive it all the way
back to a crime scene?
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I have…
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I can't remember one instance
where that's happened.
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From my point of view, the sock was one
of the pivotal pieces of evidence.
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[Douglas] I got a call one day
from an anonymous source
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that said,
"Test the socks, because it's planted."
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And the test showed the blood on the sock
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had a spike of EDTA
higher than all the other samples
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except for the blood on the gate.
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[camera clicks]
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The sock had been examined
on three different occasions
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without any blood being noted on it,
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and then, all of a sudden,
this big bloodstain consistent with Nicole
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is found on it by the prosecution.
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The prosecution said,
"Well, blood on a black sock
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is just hard to see, and so people…"
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"It's just human error.
They didn't notice it before."
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Scheck took the sock
and showed it to the jury.
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[Scheck] Could you please start
with Juror #1
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and show her
and the rest of the jurors here
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that section that you saw the bloodstain
with your naked eye
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when you first received the sock?
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Mouths were dropping open.
It was like, "Oh my goodness."
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Because from where the jury could sit,
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it was easy to see that bloodstain.
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It was crusty, puckered.
That was a very prominent stain.
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And so the idea that the sock
had been examined three times
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and nobody had seen that,
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it didn't fly.
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I will go to my grave believing…
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I don't know what happened,
I don't know who did it, but I think
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blood on the socks was planted by someone
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who wanted O.J. to be convicted of murder.
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[man] Do you believe that it was planted?
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Uh… Yeah. I think it's likely.
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I think there certainly was
hanky-panky going on there.
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[dramatic music playing]
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I did not know that they were going to
shred Dennis Fung the way they did.
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He essentially just came apart.
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I'm not sure of that.
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I don't recall if I did or not.
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I don't recall saying that.
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I don't recall.
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The defense doesn't have to prove
with certainty that planting occurred.
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They just have to prove
that it's sufficiently plausible
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to create doubt in their minds.
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The only problem with
the DNA evidence they collected
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is how it was collected
and what they did with it.
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That's where the problems came in.
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It was clearly getting through to them
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that something was
not right about the evidence,
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and they were starting to suspect
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that there was something wrong
with the prosecution's case.
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So that made me think,
"We've got a chance here."
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All of this stuff
is really just blowing smoke.
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Nothing that Fung did
undermines the integrity of this evidence.
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This is DNA. If you take that
blood evidence and test that stuff again,
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it's all gonna come back to O.J.
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We have presented an extremely
compelling case concerning the science.
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The defense has made accusations
that are empty and baseless.
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The most remarkable thing is
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after, he came off the stand…
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and shook all the lawyers' hands.
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[gentle, mysterious music playing]
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[Darden] Seeing Dennis Fung
shake the defense hands,
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you know, to me, it was surrender.
348
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It may be, sort of, Stockholm syndrome,
identifying with your tormentor.
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Maybe he realized
that the defense was making good points.
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[man] Fung was reported to have gone up
to Barry Scheck in the hallway and said,
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"You're gonna owe me a beer
when this is over."
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It's never personal. We're just
doing our job, I think he understood that.
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[female reporter] Outside,
Fung was hounded by reporters…
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Green light!
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[reporter] And not even the media
cornering him at a red light
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could dampen his glee
now that it was all over.
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[dramatic music playing]
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Marcia felt early on
that there's plenty of DNA evidence
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that could convict anybody.
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She was right about that.
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But again, I've said time and time again
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that you can never have
too much evidence in a murder case. Never.
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That includes witnesses.
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One of the great unanswered questions
that the prosecution couldn't answer was,
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"Where's the murder weapon?"
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The only thing
the prosecution did not have
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was the murder weapon.
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I mean, that is a legitimate question.
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I always thought that
he probably got rid of it at LAX Airport.
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{\an8}I was told that they were
going to call me as a witness
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{\an8}as soon as they finished the DNA evidence.
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{\an8}Well, that took several weeks.
Marcia Clark never called me.
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What was in the bag
that O.J. took out of at the airport
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and stuffed in this trash container,
seen by this witness?
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Marcia knew that.
When I took this guy to her as a witness,
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she said "It's one-on-one."
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In other words, "I can't use him.
I can't corroborate what he says."
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That's not really true
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because the limo driver verified
that there was a bag and they saw it.
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{\an8}He had one of the duffel bags
kind of strapped over his shoulder.
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Well, what do you think was in the bag?
382
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Was it having anything to do
with a murder of two people?
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I think it was a damn good possibility.
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It became obvious,
thinking back to that night,
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that I probably witnessed him
discarding the murder weapon.
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[Darden] I never questioned, you know,
Marcia Clark on her decision.
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But time after time after time,
our evidence is being undermined.
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I'm thinking,
"This ship is already sinking."
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"Hell, it's half sunk."
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"And all you can really hope
is for a miracle. A Hail Mary."
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- [music ends]
- [crickets chirping]
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But we had one of the most
important items of evidence in this case,
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the glove.
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[tense music playing]
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These bloody gloves
are extremely incriminating
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and hurtful to the defense.
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[Darden] The tag reads, "Aris Leathers
by Isotoner, extra-large, cashmere lined."
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[Darden] I will try and win.
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I will do some things
that are unconventional
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if I can give life, you know, to a case.
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You could see in the courtroom
that Darden was building up to it.
402
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There'd been a sidebar.
403
00:20:52,773 --> 00:20:54,323
Johnnie came back.
404
00:20:55,233 --> 00:20:58,533
"They're gonna have O.J.
put on the glove."
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00:21:00,197 --> 00:21:02,367
"Don't anybody react."
406
00:21:02,449 --> 00:21:07,119
We had no idea
what the fuck was gonna happen.
407
00:21:07,204 --> 00:21:09,214
[music intensifies]
408
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I told Daddy I wasn't going
to do anything controversial.
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And I did.
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00:21:20,967 --> 00:21:26,677
You could see Marcia Clark
just slinking down in her chair.
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Because certainly, she could
understand the impact if it went wrong.
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Your Honor, at this time, the people
would ask that Mr. Simpson step forward
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and try on the glove recovered at Bundy
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as well as the glove
recovered at Rockingham.
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Number one rule in trial practices,
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never ask a question
that you don't know the answer to.
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That rule is times ten
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when it comes to a demonstration.
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What did I think would happen
when he tried on the glove?
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Did I think it was gonna fit?
I knew it was gonna fit. It did fit.
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00:21:58,004 --> 00:22:00,304
The judge wanted him
to wear a latex glove.
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00:22:00,382 --> 00:22:02,882
It's a biohazard. Blood on it.
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[Darden] I'm handing Mr. Simpson
the… left glove, Rockingham.
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[Ito] That's People's 77.
425
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I said,
"If you're worried about them fitting,
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just don't take your arthritis medicine."
427
00:22:21,945 --> 00:22:25,485
And he's…
"Mike, if I don't take my medicine,
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my knuckles are gonna
get so swollen up." And I said…
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Your Honor,
it appears Mr. Simpson seems to be
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having a problem
putting the glove on his hand.
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00:22:35,917 --> 00:22:37,627
[Cochran] I object
to counsel's statements.
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[Ito] Sustained.
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00:22:43,341 --> 00:22:45,841
It was clear it wasn't gonna fit.
434
00:22:46,553 --> 00:22:49,763
So O.J. goes into Naked Gun mode then.
435
00:22:51,016 --> 00:22:52,266
[groaning]
436
00:22:52,350 --> 00:22:54,270
He is gonna play it up.
437
00:22:54,352 --> 00:22:55,232
All right.
438
00:23:01,610 --> 00:23:02,900
Ooh.
439
00:23:03,570 --> 00:23:04,950
Ooh.
440
00:23:05,030 --> 00:23:06,320
Yup!
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00:23:08,617 --> 00:23:10,447
He's pretending to pull it down.
442
00:23:10,535 --> 00:23:13,455
I was sitting there for all that,
and him talking to the jury.
443
00:23:14,498 --> 00:23:15,668
[Simpson] Too small.
444
00:23:15,749 --> 00:23:17,749
"Wait a minute,
you're not supposed to be talking."
445
00:23:17,834 --> 00:23:19,004
It was just a shit show.
446
00:23:20,921 --> 00:23:23,091
This is the murder glove,
447
00:23:23,173 --> 00:23:26,723
and it won't fit the murderer's hands.
448
00:23:26,801 --> 00:23:27,761
[camera clicks]
449
00:23:27,844 --> 00:23:34,234
That image was seared
into everyone who saw it.
450
00:23:37,229 --> 00:23:39,059
O.J. made the most of it,
451
00:23:39,147 --> 00:23:40,897
and it was a disaster.
452
00:23:40,982 --> 00:23:43,402
Chris threw the dice and he lost.
453
00:23:43,485 --> 00:23:46,655
It was a rookie mistake
454
00:23:46,738 --> 00:23:48,198
with profound consequences.
455
00:23:48,281 --> 00:23:50,451
It backfired big-time.
456
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{\an8}[Douglas] Lee Bailey has said to his death
457
00:23:54,412 --> 00:23:59,172
{\an8}that he baited Chris…
into trying on the glove.
458
00:23:59,251 --> 00:24:00,961
Words to the effect that,
459
00:24:01,044 --> 00:24:02,504
"I dare you."
460
00:24:02,587 --> 00:24:05,547
"You don't have
the balls of a field mouse."
461
00:24:05,632 --> 00:24:08,972
[Darden] I don't feel like
I was tricked into it or anything else.
462
00:24:09,052 --> 00:24:09,892
I did it.
463
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Why in the world would you
try on a pair of gloves
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when you have latex gloves on already?
465
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The second thing was the shrinkage factor.
466
00:24:18,603 --> 00:24:21,363
These gloves had been damp.
They were shrunk.
467
00:24:22,774 --> 00:24:25,324
I think the jury understands
that latex gloves,
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00:24:25,902 --> 00:24:29,032
in addition to some
poor acting by the defendant,
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contributed to the gloves
not going on his hand completely.
470
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They didn't fit like
my gloves fit me, but that's, you know,
471
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:38,869
the way they fit on O.J. Simpson before.
472
00:24:38,957 --> 00:24:40,627
I'd seen pictures of him in a glove.
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I knew he had
short fingers and a huge palm
474
00:24:42,711 --> 00:24:46,551
and I knew his fingers weren't ever
gonna reach the end of the glove.
475
00:24:47,674 --> 00:24:50,514
[male reporter] Prosecutors just won't
leave those gloves alone.
476
00:24:50,594 --> 00:24:55,224
They've subpoenaed NBC Sports
for copies of their football games.
477
00:24:55,307 --> 00:24:57,097
[dramatic music playing]
478
00:24:57,183 --> 00:24:59,853
[Darden] Can you tell us whether
the glove worn by the defendant
479
00:24:59,936 --> 00:25:04,016
in those photographs
is style number 70263?
480
00:25:04,107 --> 00:25:05,107
[man] Yes, it is.
481
00:25:07,611 --> 00:25:09,241
But it was too little, too late.
482
00:25:09,321 --> 00:25:14,661
It is the greatest misstep
in televised litigation history,
483
00:25:14,743 --> 00:25:18,043
and it is the most
dramatic moment of my life.
484
00:25:18,121 --> 00:25:21,711
The gloves at Rockingham
and Bundy don't fit.
485
00:25:21,791 --> 00:25:23,541
Do you understand that? Don't fit.
486
00:25:23,627 --> 00:25:26,337
And they can never make them fit. Bye!
487
00:25:26,421 --> 00:25:30,431
I feel terrible for Chris Darden
because that is what gets pinned to him.
488
00:25:30,508 --> 00:25:35,218
Christopher Darden and the glove,
married together for all eternity.
489
00:25:35,305 --> 00:25:39,385
When I die, bury me
with a pair of Isotoner gloves.
490
00:25:40,602 --> 00:25:41,692
It fit!
491
00:25:41,770 --> 00:25:43,310
[tape winding back]
492
00:25:44,773 --> 00:25:46,023
[tense music playing]
493
00:25:48,568 --> 00:25:52,318
{\an8}After more than 300 hours of testimony,
and a parade of 58 witnesses,
494
00:25:52,405 --> 00:25:56,525
{\an8}the prosecution in the O.J. Simpson trial
rested its case today.
495
00:25:56,618 --> 00:25:58,908
[man] The defense case
will start Monday morning.
496
00:25:58,995 --> 00:26:01,915
Our case will be right to the point.
Quick witnesses…
497
00:26:01,998 --> 00:26:03,958
[Douglas] When the defense took over,
498
00:26:04,542 --> 00:26:08,382
we had several witnesses
ready, prepped, and prepared
499
00:26:08,463 --> 00:26:10,553
who would contradict Fuhrman.
500
00:26:10,632 --> 00:26:13,052
People that would attack his credibility
501
00:26:13,134 --> 00:26:15,854
and by implication,
attack everything he did.
502
00:26:15,929 --> 00:26:19,019
You gotta remember
what Lee's last two questions were.
503
00:26:19,099 --> 00:26:22,309
{\an8}[Bailey] Are you therefore saying
that you have not used that word
504
00:26:22,394 --> 00:26:24,984
{\an8}in the past ten years, Detective Fuhrman?
505
00:26:25,063 --> 00:26:26,403
Yes. That's what I'm saying.
506
00:26:26,481 --> 00:26:28,531
"So if anyone else says it…"
507
00:26:28,608 --> 00:26:30,398
[Bailey] …they would be a liar.
Would they not?
508
00:26:30,485 --> 00:26:31,315
Yes, they would.
509
00:26:31,403 --> 00:26:32,283
"All of them?"
510
00:26:32,362 --> 00:26:34,362
- [Bailey] All of them, correct?
- All of them.
511
00:26:34,447 --> 00:26:38,327
We had information from
some investigators and other witnesses
512
00:26:38,410 --> 00:26:41,370
that Fuhrman had racist attitudes.
513
00:26:41,454 --> 00:26:44,214
Including reports of him using the N-word.
514
00:26:44,290 --> 00:26:47,960
We were laying the groundwork of
"You never said the word."
515
00:26:48,586 --> 00:26:50,506
[Thomson] Bailey was setting up Fuhrman,
516
00:26:50,588 --> 00:26:55,588
but had no idea how strong his proof
would be that Fuhrman was lying.
517
00:26:57,887 --> 00:27:00,927
[Douglas] One of our investigators
got a tip
518
00:27:01,015 --> 00:27:03,885
that there were tapes about Mark Fuhrman.
519
00:27:03,977 --> 00:27:05,977
[dramatic music playing]
520
00:27:09,941 --> 00:27:12,691
[Toobin] One of the clichés about LA
521
00:27:12,777 --> 00:27:15,817
is that everybody's
working on a screenplay.
522
00:27:15,905 --> 00:27:17,945
Mark Fuhrman wasn't
working on a screenplay.
523
00:27:18,032 --> 00:27:21,702
{\an8}But this woman friend of his
was working on a screenplay,
524
00:27:21,786 --> 00:27:26,076
and there were actual tapes
of the back-and-forth between them
525
00:27:26,166 --> 00:27:29,206
about his life as a police officer.
526
00:27:29,294 --> 00:27:33,174
[Thomson] When F. Lee Bailey
first cross-examined Mark Fuhrman,
527
00:27:33,256 --> 00:27:35,586
nobody knew about the Fuhrman tapes.
528
00:27:35,675 --> 00:27:38,295
People were stunned. It was extraordinary.
529
00:27:38,887 --> 00:27:40,847
{\an8}I really love being a policeman.
530
00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:45,020
{\an8}This job is not rules. This is a feeling.
531
00:27:45,101 --> 00:27:47,561
{\an8}Fuck the rules, we'll make them up later.
532
00:27:47,645 --> 00:27:53,525
Mark Fuhrman talking about
the violent, dastardly things
533
00:27:53,610 --> 00:27:59,450
that he would do to Black and brown
inmates or suspects or prisoners.
534
00:28:00,325 --> 00:28:04,075
There were several references
over the course of the tapes
535
00:28:04,162 --> 00:28:06,212
where he would use the N-word.
536
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:07,869
[Darden] This isn't good for us.
537
00:28:07,957 --> 00:28:09,787
If people hear this stuff,
538
00:28:09,876 --> 00:28:11,666
it's gonna turn this trial on its head.
539
00:28:11,753 --> 00:28:17,513
This is now a full-fledged,
living, breathing race case.
540
00:28:18,927 --> 00:28:21,677
[Douglas] Johnnie was very spiritual.
541
00:28:21,763 --> 00:28:24,353
This was manna from heaven,
542
00:28:24,432 --> 00:28:28,102
given to us to prove
O.J. Simpson not guilty.
543
00:28:29,687 --> 00:28:33,817
{\an8}Prior to Judge Ito
having an official ruling,
544
00:28:33,900 --> 00:28:38,610
he allowed there to be a hearing
outside of the jury's presence
545
00:28:38,696 --> 00:28:40,736
so that we could play the tapes.
546
00:28:40,824 --> 00:28:45,794
That was his nod
to the media and to the public.
547
00:28:45,870 --> 00:28:48,210
{\an8}They sat for half a day
548
00:28:48,289 --> 00:28:52,419
{\an8}and we played excerpt by excerpt
by excerpt by excerpt.
549
00:28:53,545 --> 00:28:54,875
{\an8}Leave that old station, Ed.
550
00:28:54,963 --> 00:28:58,593
{\an8}It's got the smell of niggers that've
been beaten and killed in there for years.
551
00:28:58,675 --> 00:29:02,465
{\an8}Anything out of a nigger's mouth
for the first five or six sentences
552
00:29:02,554 --> 00:29:03,764
{\an8}is a fuckin' lie.
553
00:29:04,305 --> 00:29:07,265
[Darden] When I heard the tapes,
it was shocking to hear.
554
00:29:08,142 --> 00:29:09,482
Not entirely surprising.
555
00:29:10,228 --> 00:29:13,228
We knew early on Fuhrman is a racist,
556
00:29:13,314 --> 00:29:14,614
and now we get to hear it.
557
00:29:15,233 --> 00:29:17,903
{\an8}Niggers. They're easy.
558
00:29:17,986 --> 00:29:19,566
{\an8}I use them to practice my kicks.
559
00:29:19,654 --> 00:29:21,784
{\an8}Did you ever try
to find a bruise on a nigger?
560
00:29:21,865 --> 00:29:23,155
{\an8}It's pretty tough, huh?
561
00:29:23,241 --> 00:29:28,451
{\an8}[Douglas] What he was talking about echoed
the stories that I heard for decades
562
00:29:28,538 --> 00:29:31,748
representing victims of abuse.
563
00:29:32,876 --> 00:29:34,246
[indistinct radio chatter]
564
00:29:34,335 --> 00:29:38,455
[Darden] These tapes are confirmation,
you know, to the public, that the LAPD
565
00:29:38,548 --> 00:29:42,218
is a racist police department
and employs racist police officers
566
00:29:43,011 --> 00:29:46,511
who employ racist tactics.
567
00:29:47,098 --> 00:29:49,518
{\an8}You've got 200 niggers
that are trying to take you prisoner.
568
00:29:49,601 --> 00:29:52,351
{\an8}You just chase this guy,
beat the shit out of him.
569
00:29:52,437 --> 00:29:54,267
{\an8}We basically tortured them.
570
00:29:54,355 --> 00:29:56,935
{\an8}We broke numerous bones
in each one of them.
571
00:29:57,025 --> 00:29:58,855
{\an8}Their faces were just mush.
572
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,030
When you listen to those tapes
and just hear how vicious this guy sounds,
573
00:30:06,117 --> 00:30:10,197
taking pleasure
in what was essentially torturing
574
00:30:10,288 --> 00:30:12,248
these young suspects,
575
00:30:12,332 --> 00:30:13,542
made my skin crawl.
576
00:30:14,125 --> 00:30:18,835
I would be curious to hear
how Fuhrman justified the words.
577
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:21,669
{\an8}You know why we stopped the choke?
578
00:30:21,758 --> 00:30:23,838
{\an8}We stopped the choke
because a bunch of niggers
579
00:30:23,927 --> 00:30:26,007
{\an8}have a bunch of these
organizations in the south end
580
00:30:26,095 --> 00:30:29,465
{\an8}and because all niggers we've choked out
and killed, 12 in ten years.
581
00:30:29,557 --> 00:30:31,387
{\an8}Really extraordinary, isn't it?
582
00:30:32,143 --> 00:30:33,063
Um.
583
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,570
Laura Hart McKinney, she did screenplays.
584
00:30:38,650 --> 00:30:41,490
I met her and said, "Did you ever
do anything on police stuff?"
585
00:30:41,569 --> 00:30:43,859
"Something, you know, really edgy?"
586
00:30:43,947 --> 00:30:49,037
I'd been on the job long enough
to observe, hear a lot…
587
00:30:49,118 --> 00:30:51,038
hear a lot of stories,
588
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,830
and a lot of that was conveyed to her.
589
00:30:53,915 --> 00:30:55,205
[man] Is any of it true?
590
00:30:55,833 --> 00:31:00,633
That wasn't real life.
It wasn't real interaction with people.
591
00:31:00,713 --> 00:31:04,763
I was trying to give her
what she needed to write.
592
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:07,140
[man] Do you consider yourself a racist?
593
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:09,560
I can't… I can't argue the point.
594
00:31:09,639 --> 00:31:13,939
I can't, you know, I can't, um…
595
00:31:15,061 --> 00:31:18,151
I can't undo what has been done.
596
00:31:19,857 --> 00:31:22,607
If somebody says "You're a racist,"
I can't argue with them.
597
00:31:22,694 --> 00:31:26,704
Whether it's a screenplay or not.
It doesn't make any difference.
598
00:31:27,407 --> 00:31:28,657
Do I like it? No.
599
00:31:29,367 --> 00:31:33,617
Do I try to plead with people
that that's not me?
600
00:31:33,705 --> 00:31:35,115
"Forgive me"? No.
601
00:31:35,748 --> 00:31:39,588
That's so unfair to anybody
to even ask them of that.
602
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:42,049
{\an8}We were not aware of the tapes.
603
00:31:42,588 --> 00:31:45,678
{\an8}- [man] Should he have told you?
- We were not aware of the tapes.
604
00:31:45,758 --> 00:31:48,178
The tapes were hours long,
all put into evidence.
605
00:31:48,261 --> 00:31:52,141
But the question is how much of that
would the jury be allowed to hear?
606
00:31:52,223 --> 00:31:53,983
This is a blockbuster.
607
00:31:54,058 --> 00:31:55,518
This is a bombshell.
608
00:31:55,601 --> 00:31:57,151
This is perhaps the biggest thing
609
00:31:57,228 --> 00:31:59,938
that's happened in any case
in this country in this decade.
610
00:32:00,023 --> 00:32:01,983
And they know it.
They've got to face up to it.
611
00:32:02,066 --> 00:32:05,696
They are just going all-out
to smear Mark Fuhrman
612
00:32:05,778 --> 00:32:08,658
in the very cynical and shrewd effort
613
00:32:08,740 --> 00:32:10,870
to pull this jury away from the evidence,
614
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:13,080
to manipulate them,
to play them like fiddles.
615
00:32:13,161 --> 00:32:15,371
[Cochran] They see their case
floating out the window.
616
00:32:15,455 --> 00:32:17,955
They cannot rehabilitate Mark Fuhrman.
617
00:32:18,041 --> 00:32:21,631
There's no need to dance around this.
He has committed perjury.
618
00:32:23,713 --> 00:32:29,183
We were at the office
when a copy of the order that Ito ruled
619
00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:31,010
was faxed into our office.
620
00:32:31,095 --> 00:32:35,595
There were more than 20 or 30,
if not more, separate entries
621
00:32:35,683 --> 00:32:38,853
and Ito allowed but two.
622
00:32:39,353 --> 00:32:40,403
[tense music playing]
623
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,070
Johnnie was so incensed
624
00:32:42,148 --> 00:32:45,188
that he called
a press conference right then.
625
00:32:45,276 --> 00:32:49,906
It is absolutely outrageous for us
to have to endure this at this point.
626
00:32:49,989 --> 00:32:52,029
This decision is inexplainable.
627
00:32:52,617 --> 00:32:56,497
O.J. Simpson is a man
who has been wrongfully accused
628
00:32:56,579 --> 00:32:57,999
and, we believe, framed.
629
00:32:58,081 --> 00:33:00,371
- The cover-up continues.
- "The cover-up continues."
630
00:33:01,501 --> 00:33:03,591
Those were very strong words.
631
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:05,589
[crowd shouting indistinctly]
632
00:33:05,671 --> 00:33:08,261
{\an8}He is one of
the most disgusting human beings
633
00:33:08,341 --> 00:33:11,471
{\an8}I have ever had to listen to in my life.
634
00:33:11,552 --> 00:33:16,102
Johnnie Cochran was defending his client
the best way he knew how.
635
00:33:16,182 --> 00:33:19,562
Release the Fuhrman tapes!
Judge Ito is unfair!
636
00:33:19,644 --> 00:33:25,274
The way he knew how in this case,
and many others that he tried,
637
00:33:25,358 --> 00:33:27,818
- was to put the LAPD on trial.
- LAPD on trial.
638
00:33:28,486 --> 00:33:33,156
He suggests that racism ought to be
the most important thing
639
00:33:33,241 --> 00:33:36,291
that any one of us
ought to listen to in this court.
640
00:33:36,369 --> 00:33:39,119
That any one of us
in this nation should be listening to.
641
00:33:39,205 --> 00:33:40,705
Are all cops racist?
642
00:33:40,790 --> 00:33:42,790
Do all cops plant evidence?
643
00:33:42,875 --> 00:33:44,375
Are all cops liars?
644
00:33:44,460 --> 00:33:45,500
No.
645
00:33:45,586 --> 00:33:48,756
You inject Fuhrman, people think,
"They're all the same."
646
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,590
And it's because of racism,
647
00:33:50,675 --> 00:33:54,005
we should put aside all other thought,
648
00:33:54,095 --> 00:33:55,295
all other reason,
649
00:33:55,388 --> 00:33:58,138
and set his murdering client free.
650
00:33:58,224 --> 00:34:00,604
If they can railroad O.J. Simpson,
651
00:34:00,685 --> 00:34:03,805
they can railroad every
Black man, woman, and child in America.
652
00:34:03,896 --> 00:34:05,766
[Douglas] Sometimes they lie.
653
00:34:06,732 --> 00:34:09,782
Sometimes they do worse than lie.
654
00:34:09,861 --> 00:34:14,411
If they lie to convict someone
whom they think is guilty
655
00:34:15,158 --> 00:34:16,238
and they win,
656
00:34:16,325 --> 00:34:17,695
none of us are safe.
657
00:34:17,785 --> 00:34:20,325
[crowd shouting indistinctly]
658
00:34:23,291 --> 00:34:26,251
Now I've got to be
called back on my testimony.
659
00:34:26,335 --> 00:34:27,745
[tense music playing]
660
00:34:27,837 --> 00:34:30,757
I, um… have an attorney.
661
00:34:31,674 --> 00:34:35,974
He advises me… Well, one, um…
662
00:34:37,471 --> 00:34:42,231
"Let's get ahold of Marcia Clark,
let's see how she will respond."
663
00:34:43,853 --> 00:34:46,063
I left messages for Marcia.
664
00:34:46,147 --> 00:34:48,017
"Marcia. Just talk to me."
665
00:34:48,983 --> 00:34:52,403
"I'll fall on my sword for you.
Just talk to me."
666
00:34:52,486 --> 00:34:53,646
Nobody talked to me.
667
00:34:53,738 --> 00:34:55,698
By the time he was
called back to the stand,
668
00:34:55,781 --> 00:34:58,371
he had retained a private counsel.
669
00:34:58,993 --> 00:35:01,413
And no, he didn't reach out to us.
670
00:35:01,495 --> 00:35:03,825
He certainly didn't reach out to me.
671
00:35:03,915 --> 00:35:08,205
I was pushed adrift
in the middle of the ocean.
672
00:35:08,294 --> 00:35:09,804
I was on my own.
673
00:35:09,879 --> 00:35:11,669
My attorney, he goes,
674
00:35:12,381 --> 00:35:18,261
"If we don't have the prosecution
objecting and asking you questions,
675
00:35:19,138 --> 00:35:21,388
you will just be eviscerated."
676
00:35:21,474 --> 00:35:24,524
We have an expression
in Latin, "sui generis."
677
00:35:24,602 --> 00:35:25,522
"One of a kind."
678
00:35:25,603 --> 00:35:30,233
You could hear a pin drop
when he came into the courtroom.
679
00:35:30,316 --> 00:35:31,816
[tense music playing]
680
00:35:38,824 --> 00:35:39,994
Dead silence.
681
00:35:41,285 --> 00:35:42,615
I mean dead silence.
682
00:35:43,871 --> 00:35:46,041
I tried to make
eye contact with Marcia Clark.
683
00:35:46,123 --> 00:35:48,383
She would not even make eye contact.
684
00:35:49,001 --> 00:35:51,711
I don't know what
I expected him to do at that point.
685
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:56,300
[man] Detective Fuhrman,
was the testimony that you gave
686
00:35:56,384 --> 00:35:59,804
at the preliminary hearing
in this case completely truthful?
687
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:05,060
I wish to assert
my Fifth Amendment privilege.
688
00:36:06,394 --> 00:36:08,814
Have you ever falsified a police report?
689
00:36:11,232 --> 00:36:13,862
I wish to assert
my Fifth Amendment privilege.
690
00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:18,200
I have not seen
a police detective take the Fifth.
691
00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:20,740
You know, that's one for the ages.
692
00:36:20,825 --> 00:36:23,575
You don't see murder cases, man,
where a cop lies under oath.
693
00:36:23,661 --> 00:36:27,001
Doesn't happen. Let alone take the Fifth.
694
00:36:27,081 --> 00:36:29,751
On my attorney's advice,
I had to plead the Fifth
695
00:36:29,834 --> 00:36:32,964
because the prosecution, Marcia Clark,
696
00:36:33,045 --> 00:36:36,585
would not participate
in the courtroom testimony.
697
00:36:38,467 --> 00:36:43,677
[man] Detective Fuhrman, did you plant or
manufacture any evidence in this case?
698
00:36:45,808 --> 00:36:47,888
I assert my Fifth Amendment privilege.
699
00:36:48,561 --> 00:36:52,691
"Did you ever plant
or manufacture any evidence?"
700
00:36:53,482 --> 00:36:55,032
And he takes the Fifth.
701
00:36:56,777 --> 00:36:59,947
We had caught him with his pants down.
702
00:37:00,031 --> 00:37:02,531
There was nothing he could say.
703
00:37:03,117 --> 00:37:08,367
So taking the Fifth,
that was the cherry on top of the cake.
704
00:37:08,956 --> 00:37:11,536
The cake was, we caught his ass!
705
00:37:11,625 --> 00:37:14,495
When they asked him if he
manufactured any evidence in that case
706
00:37:14,587 --> 00:37:16,417
and he pleaded the Fifth, I thought,
707
00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:19,259
"That was almost like a yes."
708
00:37:19,342 --> 00:37:21,302
I did get nervous around that time.
709
00:37:21,385 --> 00:37:23,425
Everything now that he said
has been tainted.
710
00:37:24,472 --> 00:37:28,732
We came to this court seven months ago,
expecting a fair trial.
711
00:37:29,643 --> 00:37:31,353
My son had a right to it.
712
00:37:31,437 --> 00:37:33,517
This is now the Fuhrman trial.
713
00:37:33,606 --> 00:37:36,606
It's not the trial of O.J. Simpson,
714
00:37:36,692 --> 00:37:40,282
who is accused
of murdering my son and Nicole.
715
00:37:40,363 --> 00:37:42,913
I was like, "What are we doing here?"
716
00:37:42,990 --> 00:37:46,660
Like, I'm so confused
as to why all of these other elements
717
00:37:46,744 --> 00:37:50,464
that have nothing
to do with our case are being brought in.
718
00:37:50,539 --> 00:37:52,119
But Johnnie Cochran was very smart,
719
00:37:52,833 --> 00:37:54,753
and he found the Achilles' heel
720
00:37:54,835 --> 00:37:57,665
and he kicked it and stepped on it
721
00:37:57,755 --> 00:38:00,255
and twisted it
and figured out a way to exploit it.
722
00:38:01,175 --> 00:38:04,845
Johnnie Cochran saw the racial divide.
723
00:38:04,929 --> 00:38:09,479
The tunnel that separated white and Black
and he drove that train right through it.
724
00:38:09,558 --> 00:38:12,808
What more does anyone need out there
725
00:38:12,895 --> 00:38:15,855
to understand that we have now
demonstrated this man had motive,
726
00:38:15,940 --> 00:38:17,360
he had opportunity,
727
00:38:17,441 --> 00:38:19,901
and now he's claimed the Fifth
out of his own mouth.
728
00:38:19,985 --> 00:38:23,775
Free O.J.! Free O.J.! Free O.J.!
729
00:38:25,908 --> 00:38:28,578
I retired before
our chief was gonna fire me.
730
00:38:28,661 --> 00:38:30,961
I wanted to secure my pension,
731
00:38:31,038 --> 00:38:34,788
because I didn't trust
what the department would do,
732
00:38:35,418 --> 00:38:37,128
what the chief would do,
733
00:38:37,711 --> 00:38:38,751
and I was out.
734
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,850
At 7:30 in the morning,
I slipped into Parker Center,
735
00:38:45,928 --> 00:38:50,718
went up the freight elevator to Personnel,
got my last paycheck,
736
00:38:50,808 --> 00:38:53,768
got my badge, had it stamped "Retired."
737
00:38:53,853 --> 00:38:57,443
{\an8}I was walking down the hallway.
738
00:38:57,523 --> 00:39:00,443
{\an8}I looked up and we both
saw each other at the same time
739
00:39:00,526 --> 00:39:03,316
and he went, "Hey, Ron."
740
00:39:03,404 --> 00:39:04,824
I said, "Hey, what's up, Mark?"
741
00:39:04,905 --> 00:39:06,695
And he ran over to me and hugged me,
742
00:39:06,782 --> 00:39:08,702
and he's not letting me go.
743
00:39:08,784 --> 00:39:10,954
I said, "Mark,
what the hell are you doing?"
744
00:39:11,036 --> 00:39:14,536
And he goes, "Man, where's
a camera when you need one?"
745
00:39:14,623 --> 00:39:17,753
"I got a good Black man here." [laughs]
746
00:39:17,835 --> 00:39:19,165
He did say that.
747
00:39:19,753 --> 00:39:22,173
I looked at him and I said,
"Mark, you're sick, man."
748
00:39:22,256 --> 00:39:24,086
[laughs]
749
00:39:28,596 --> 00:39:30,386
[Cochran] Mr. Simpson wants to testify.
750
00:39:30,473 --> 00:39:33,683
He would like to set the record straight.
Feels he has nothing to hide.
751
00:39:33,767 --> 00:39:37,687
He always thought
he was the best person on Earth
752
00:39:37,771 --> 00:39:40,021
who could convince you that he's innocent.
753
00:39:40,107 --> 00:39:43,527
[Gilbert] Problem was that he would have
to face all the cross-examination
754
00:39:43,611 --> 00:39:45,241
that would go on for days.
755
00:39:45,321 --> 00:39:52,201
Johnnie's personality was strong enough
to persuade him to not testify,
756
00:39:52,286 --> 00:39:53,786
though he wanted to.
757
00:39:53,871 --> 00:39:55,791
Good morning, Your Honor.
758
00:39:55,873 --> 00:39:59,343
As much as I would like to address
some of the misrepresentations made
759
00:39:59,418 --> 00:40:04,548
about myself and Nicole,
concerning our life together,
760
00:40:04,632 --> 00:40:08,222
I am mindful of the mood
and the stamina of this jury.
761
00:40:08,302 --> 00:40:09,972
And in a sense he testified,
762
00:40:10,054 --> 00:40:13,224
and he pandered to the jury
that he was doing it for them.
763
00:40:13,307 --> 00:40:17,517
I have confidence that they will find,
as the record stands now,
764
00:40:17,603 --> 00:40:21,733
that I did not, could not,
and would not have committed this crime.
765
00:40:21,815 --> 00:40:24,605
I have four kids,
two kids I haven't seen in a year.
766
00:40:25,444 --> 00:40:28,074
They ask me every week,
"Dad, how much longer?"
767
00:40:28,155 --> 00:40:30,025
[tense music playing]
768
00:40:34,411 --> 00:40:36,661
[Douglas] Everything is based
on the evidence,
769
00:40:36,747 --> 00:40:42,747
and the evidence gave the route
for the direction of the closing argument.
770
00:40:42,836 --> 00:40:46,006
Mr. Cochran, he's been
mouthing off for the past 12 months.
771
00:40:46,966 --> 00:40:49,386
Okay, Johnnie. All right.
772
00:40:49,468 --> 00:40:53,388
These are baseless allegations of
conspiracies, contamination, and the like.
773
00:40:53,472 --> 00:40:55,182
Now's the time to put up or shut up.
774
00:41:02,398 --> 00:41:07,438
[Cochran] From the very first orders
issued by the LAPD so-called brass,
775
00:41:08,070 --> 00:41:11,120
they were more concerned
with their own images,
776
00:41:12,283 --> 00:41:15,083
the publicity that might
be generated from this case,
777
00:41:15,661 --> 00:41:18,161
than they were in doing
professional police work.
778
00:41:18,247 --> 00:41:22,877
Every line Johnnie made,
he looked at every juror.
779
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:28,050
And it's up to you the jury to weed out
the distractions, weed out the sideshows,
780
00:41:28,132 --> 00:41:32,342
and determine "What evidence is it that
really helps me answer this question?"
781
00:41:32,428 --> 00:41:35,178
Where Marcia was pushing just facts,
782
00:41:35,264 --> 00:41:36,894
Johnnie would bring in emotion.
783
00:41:36,974 --> 00:41:39,274
Who then polices the police?
784
00:41:40,019 --> 00:41:43,439
You police the police.
You police them by your verdict.
785
00:41:43,522 --> 00:41:45,322
You're the ones who send the message.
786
00:41:45,399 --> 00:41:48,149
[Kim Goldman] Johnnie Cochran
kept saying that. "Send a message."
787
00:41:48,235 --> 00:41:52,565
"It's a message. It's a message
to the racial inequities in our system."
788
00:41:52,656 --> 00:41:54,406
I think that he was planting that seed
789
00:41:54,491 --> 00:41:56,411
and making sure
that you are the messenger.
790
00:41:56,493 --> 00:41:58,253
You get to be the one to carry the torch.
791
00:41:58,329 --> 00:42:00,749
Your verdict talks about
justice in America
792
00:42:00,831 --> 00:42:03,751
and it talks about the police
and whether they're above the law.
793
00:42:03,834 --> 00:42:07,464
It would be a tragedy
if you found the defendant not guilty
794
00:42:07,546 --> 00:42:08,756
in spite of all that
795
00:42:08,839 --> 00:42:11,879
because of the racist attitudes
of one police officer.
796
00:42:12,384 --> 00:42:14,304
[Darden] I was told
by folks in the DA's office
797
00:42:14,386 --> 00:42:18,346
that I would not be permitted
to give a closing statement.
798
00:42:18,432 --> 00:42:20,772
I wasn't being allowed
to participate in that
799
00:42:20,851 --> 00:42:22,101
because of the gloves.
800
00:42:22,603 --> 00:42:24,103
So I was being sidelined.
801
00:42:24,813 --> 00:42:26,113
Like I was a baby.
802
00:42:26,190 --> 00:42:27,610
And I objected to that.
803
00:42:28,192 --> 00:42:32,242
Then I prepared
my resignation from the DA's office.
804
00:42:33,197 --> 00:42:36,657
And then I was permitted
to give a closing statement.
805
00:42:39,244 --> 00:42:43,004
Blame the police, blame the prosecution,
806
00:42:43,082 --> 00:42:46,212
point the finger elsewhere,
create a smokescreen,
807
00:42:46,293 --> 00:42:49,173
and that's what they've done
in this case, ladies and gentlemen.
808
00:42:49,254 --> 00:42:51,054
Smoke and mirrors.
809
00:42:51,548 --> 00:42:54,048
Mark Fuhrman is a lying…
810
00:42:54,134 --> 00:42:55,094
Did he lie?
811
00:42:55,177 --> 00:42:56,847
- …perjuring…
- Yes.
812
00:42:56,929 --> 00:42:58,429
…genocidal racist.
813
00:42:58,514 --> 00:43:01,274
Is he the worst LAPD has to offer?
814
00:43:01,350 --> 00:43:02,310
Yes.
815
00:43:02,393 --> 00:43:05,603
Officer Fuhrman went on to say
816
00:43:05,688 --> 00:43:07,818
that he would like nothing more
817
00:43:07,898 --> 00:43:13,898
than to see all niggers
gathered together and killed.
818
00:43:13,987 --> 00:43:15,357
That does not mean
819
00:43:15,447 --> 00:43:18,697
that we haven't proven the defendant
guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
820
00:43:18,784 --> 00:43:22,964
You may reject the whole testimony.
821
00:43:23,038 --> 00:43:25,538
You can then wipe out
everything that Fuhrman told you,
822
00:43:25,624 --> 00:43:26,634
including the glove.
823
00:43:27,209 --> 00:43:31,509
But remember, it's only the evidence
that they can't otherwise explain
824
00:43:31,588 --> 00:43:33,548
that they resort to
the desperation theories
825
00:43:33,632 --> 00:43:35,472
of contamination and planting.
826
00:43:35,551 --> 00:43:39,261
Johnnie was smart enough to realize
that in order to make a good closing,
827
00:43:39,346 --> 00:43:44,306
it would require a really close analysis
of the scientific evidence.
828
00:43:44,393 --> 00:43:46,233
Barry Scheck was focused on the science.
829
00:43:46,311 --> 00:43:49,021
Contaminated, compromised, and corrupted.
830
00:43:49,106 --> 00:43:51,686
The planting theory is ridiculous.
831
00:43:51,775 --> 00:43:55,395
But there's a fourth C that goes along
with how these things happen
832
00:43:55,487 --> 00:43:57,527
that relates to this forensic testimony.
833
00:43:57,614 --> 00:43:59,624
And the fourth C has to do with cover-up.
834
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:01,030
Now, if you plant the blood,
835
00:44:01,118 --> 00:44:03,828
aren't you gonna plant it
close to the time you collect it?
836
00:44:03,912 --> 00:44:06,292
What are you gonna do?
Plant it, hope somebody finds it later?
837
00:44:06,373 --> 00:44:11,673
Somebody… played with this evidence,
and there's no doubt about it.
838
00:44:11,754 --> 00:44:13,424
One thing to keep in mind,
839
00:44:13,505 --> 00:44:16,295
closing statements are not evidence.
It's all nonsense.
840
00:44:16,383 --> 00:44:20,683
Stop this cover-up. Stop this cover-up.
841
00:44:20,763 --> 00:44:23,183
If you don't stop it, then who?
842
00:44:23,265 --> 00:44:27,725
Johnnie always thought about
the impact of everything.
843
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,320
He always wanted to end on a crescendo.
844
00:44:32,399 --> 00:44:34,399
The defining moment in this trial,
845
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,620
the day Mr. Darden asked Mr. Simpson
to try on those gloves,
846
00:44:39,698 --> 00:44:41,238
and the gloves didn't fit.
847
00:44:41,325 --> 00:44:45,825
Remember these words.
"If it doesn't fit, you must acquit."
848
00:44:45,913 --> 00:44:47,543
{\an8}[music stops]
849
00:44:47,623 --> 00:44:49,753
{\an8}My faith is in one place now.
850
00:44:49,833 --> 00:44:52,383
{\an8}My faith is not in with the police,
not with the LAPD.
851
00:44:52,461 --> 00:44:54,801
{\an8}My faith is in the juror.
852
00:44:57,466 --> 00:45:00,006
After months of testimony
and legal maneuvering,
853
00:45:00,093 --> 00:45:02,973
jury deliberations begin today
in O.J. Simpson's murder trial.
854
00:45:03,055 --> 00:45:05,555
[dramatic music playing]
855
00:45:08,101 --> 00:45:11,981
I was prepared for our deliberations
to go for weeks.
856
00:45:12,064 --> 00:45:14,734
And that's because
we didn't all get along.
857
00:45:14,817 --> 00:45:17,187
There's no hard and fast rule,
858
00:45:17,277 --> 00:45:21,987
but generally we think that a jury is out
one day for each week of trial.
859
00:45:22,574 --> 00:45:26,914
So everyone thought they had several days
before there'd be some decision.
860
00:45:28,038 --> 00:45:29,918
Barry went back home to New York.
861
00:45:31,166 --> 00:45:32,876
Dershowitz was in Boston.
862
00:45:34,461 --> 00:45:37,761
Johnnie and his wife
went to the Wine Country.
863
00:45:39,508 --> 00:45:42,338
It's gonna be probably three weeks
before they reach a verdict.
864
00:45:42,427 --> 00:45:43,637
So, we're going to Maui.
865
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:45,720
[relaxing, tropical music playing]
866
00:45:48,267 --> 00:45:50,477
We go in and we take the straw vote
867
00:45:50,561 --> 00:45:52,441
and it comes back 10-2.
868
00:45:52,521 --> 00:45:54,191
Okay. Now we're ready to work.
869
00:45:54,773 --> 00:45:56,023
I was very shocked.
870
00:45:56,108 --> 00:45:58,148
I thought it would be a bigger divide.
871
00:45:58,235 --> 00:46:00,275
"So, let's get busy. Let's start talking."
872
00:46:00,362 --> 00:46:03,372
"Let's open up these evidence books
and start going at it."
873
00:46:05,158 --> 00:46:08,948
When we decide to take another vote
three to four hours later,
874
00:46:09,037 --> 00:46:10,707
and it came back unanimous,
875
00:46:11,456 --> 00:46:13,786
that was even a bigger shock.
876
00:46:13,876 --> 00:46:17,126
Because now I'm thinking,
"What is the world gonna think
877
00:46:17,671 --> 00:46:20,721
that we've come to a decision
within four hours?"
878
00:46:20,799 --> 00:46:22,839
"They have a verdict!
They have a verdict!"
879
00:46:22,926 --> 00:46:24,466
Who has a verdict?
880
00:46:24,553 --> 00:46:26,513
Because it was absolutely unheard of.
881
00:46:26,597 --> 00:46:29,847
You got eight and a half months
of testimony, four-hour deliberation,
882
00:46:29,933 --> 00:46:31,483
and you come back with a verdict?
883
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,940
The jury in the Trial of the Century
has reached a verdict.
884
00:46:35,022 --> 00:46:36,442
They did it almost instantly
885
00:46:36,523 --> 00:46:39,073
despite our astonishment,
despite our shock.
886
00:46:39,818 --> 00:46:42,318
I mean, this was a trial
that went on months and months,
887
00:46:42,404 --> 00:46:45,244
and the jury
didn't even deliberate for one day.
888
00:46:46,575 --> 00:46:49,695
[Darden] We're pushing
a damn near one-year jury trial,
889
00:46:49,786 --> 00:46:51,496
with a jury that's sequestered.
890
00:46:51,580 --> 00:46:52,580
So I understood.
891
00:46:52,664 --> 00:46:54,254
They wanted to go home.
892
00:46:54,333 --> 00:46:56,713
I think people had been there long enough
893
00:46:56,793 --> 00:46:59,553
and they didn't want
to stay much longer. So…
894
00:47:03,592 --> 00:47:06,092
[Kim Goldman] We didn't hear the verdict
until the following day.
895
00:47:06,178 --> 00:47:09,058
So the whole night was spent analyzing.
896
00:47:09,139 --> 00:47:11,139
"What does that mean? It's four hours."
897
00:47:11,224 --> 00:47:13,644
Everybody was talking about it.
"We got him. We got him."
898
00:47:13,727 --> 00:47:14,807
It could go either way.
899
00:47:14,895 --> 00:47:18,065
Some people think when you have
a quick verdict in a case like this,
900
00:47:18,148 --> 00:47:19,358
it's good for the defense.
901
00:47:19,441 --> 00:47:21,321
Others think
it's good for the prosecution.
902
00:47:21,401 --> 00:47:24,451
You know, if he's not guilty,
you go, "Wow."
903
00:47:24,529 --> 00:47:26,989
And if he's guilty, you're brokenhearted,
904
00:47:27,074 --> 00:47:29,084
because of what this human being,
905
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:30,579
what this man once was.
906
00:47:30,661 --> 00:47:33,871
I'm thinking, "I have to get to the jail.
O.J.'s gonna be freaking out."
907
00:47:36,124 --> 00:47:39,174
That evening, the night before
the verdict was read,
908
00:47:39,252 --> 00:47:44,262
the jailers let us stay 20 or 30 minutes
past when you're supposed to leave.
909
00:47:45,634 --> 00:47:48,104
O.J. had put his hand up to the glass.
910
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,390
He said, "Mike, if it's guilty,
I never want to see you again."
911
00:47:54,476 --> 00:47:56,476
"I don't want you to visit me in prison,
912
00:47:56,561 --> 00:48:00,481
because my life will be exactly the same
every day until I die."
913
00:48:00,565 --> 00:48:01,855
"Yours doesn't have to be."
914
00:48:01,942 --> 00:48:04,702
Everybody's bawling.
We're all… We're all bawling.
915
00:48:07,572 --> 00:48:09,662
[tense music playing]
916
00:48:11,451 --> 00:48:14,291
I remember getting up the next morning,
the day of the verdict.
917
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,210
I was driving down the freeway
and there was an overpass
918
00:48:18,291 --> 00:48:20,501
and someone had taken a sheet
919
00:48:20,585 --> 00:48:22,585
and draped it over
the side of the overpass
920
00:48:22,671 --> 00:48:24,511
and it said, "We love you, Goldmans"
921
00:48:24,589 --> 00:48:28,219
and… that was pretty awesome.
922
00:48:28,301 --> 00:48:30,051
[dramatic music playing]
923
00:48:37,060 --> 00:48:39,810
Would you get the fuck out of here,
you fucking asshole?
924
00:48:44,151 --> 00:48:45,611
Can I fucking hit him?
925
00:48:45,694 --> 00:48:46,534
No.
926
00:48:52,492 --> 00:48:56,082
[Crawford] We could look out the window
and see all the people outside.
927
00:48:57,581 --> 00:49:01,591
To see all the crowds out there,
all the media, all the media trucks.
928
00:49:02,377 --> 00:49:04,877
I'm sick. I'm nauseous. I'm nervous.
929
00:49:05,714 --> 00:49:08,434
This thing really just took control
over the whole country.
930
00:49:09,801 --> 00:49:12,471
Four hundred cameras maybe,
outside that building.
931
00:49:13,221 --> 00:49:18,391
Because of the aftermath
of the Rodney King verdicts,
932
00:49:18,477 --> 00:49:23,357
the LAPD prepped
and prepared for a potential uprising.
933
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,650
The streets were packed.
934
00:49:27,235 --> 00:49:28,695
There was horses.
935
00:49:29,404 --> 00:49:32,534
We were across the street
trying to walk into the courtroom.
936
00:49:32,616 --> 00:49:33,946
[indistinct shouting]
937
00:49:34,034 --> 00:49:35,994
People were shouting and screaming.
938
00:49:36,078 --> 00:49:38,208
[indistinct shouting]
939
00:49:43,919 --> 00:49:46,589
[Rivera] Everybody in the country
was fascinated.
940
00:49:46,671 --> 00:49:49,301
You could not
have launched a nuclear war then…
941
00:49:49,382 --> 00:49:50,882
[loud rumbling]
942
00:49:51,927 --> 00:49:53,967
…because nobody would have paid attention.
943
00:49:56,056 --> 00:50:01,306
It was so captivating,
so intriguing, so disturbing,
944
00:50:02,020 --> 00:50:05,360
that nobody who had an option
would have missed it.
945
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,610
Who's nervous? Is anybody nervous? Yeah.
946
00:50:08,318 --> 00:50:11,398
[indistinct chatter]
947
00:50:11,988 --> 00:50:13,738
I was all over the place in emotion.
948
00:50:13,824 --> 00:50:15,124
I didn't sleep.
949
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,870
I remember standing
outside the courtroom, um,
950
00:50:19,037 --> 00:50:20,117
almost paralyzed.
951
00:50:20,205 --> 00:50:21,785
I did not want to go in.
952
00:50:22,332 --> 00:50:25,422
And then it was just panic sitting there.
953
00:50:26,461 --> 00:50:29,631
I was at my house
with my wife and my kids.
954
00:50:29,714 --> 00:50:32,474
We decided to let the kids
go to school in case it was bad.
955
00:50:35,345 --> 00:50:38,595
[Crawford] When we walked in
through the courtroom, every eye
956
00:50:38,682 --> 00:50:40,892
was focused on the jurors as we walked in,
957
00:50:40,976 --> 00:50:43,846
and I mean they stared
the entire time we were in the courtroom.
958
00:50:43,937 --> 00:50:46,517
They stared at us,
waiting for every move that we'd make.
959
00:50:47,899 --> 00:50:51,189
[Tom Brokaw] Now, let's go
to the courtroom. The moment has arrived.
960
00:50:51,278 --> 00:50:53,358
[Ito] All right, Mrs. Robertson,
would you…
961
00:50:53,446 --> 00:50:55,866
Do you have the envelope
with the sealed verdict?
962
00:50:55,949 --> 00:50:56,989
Yes, Your Honor.
963
00:50:57,075 --> 00:50:59,235
[tense music playing]
964
00:50:59,327 --> 00:51:01,447
[Ito] And I would caution the audience
965
00:51:01,538 --> 00:51:05,458
during the course of the reading
of these verdicts… to remain calm.
966
00:51:08,879 --> 00:51:11,879
Mr. Simpson, would you
please stand and face the jury.
967
00:51:18,972 --> 00:51:20,312
Mrs. Robertson?
968
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:23,230
{\an8}[Robertson] Superior Court
of California, County of Los Angeles.
969
00:51:23,310 --> 00:51:25,900
In the matter of
the People of the State of California
970
00:51:25,979 --> 00:51:30,859
versus Orenthal James Simpson,
case number BA097211.
971
00:51:32,235 --> 00:51:36,985
We the jury in the above entitled action
find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson…
972
00:51:37,073 --> 00:51:37,953
[music stops]
973
00:51:38,033 --> 00:51:41,123
…not guilty of the crime of murder
upon Nicole Brown Simpson.
974
00:51:41,203 --> 00:51:42,913
- Not guilty of the crime…
- [cheering]
975
00:51:42,996 --> 00:51:44,536
- Not guilty of the crime…
- [cheering]
976
00:51:44,623 --> 00:51:46,753
- Not guilty of the crime of murder…
- [cheering]
977
00:51:46,833 --> 00:51:48,753
- Not guilty…
- [cheering]
978
00:51:48,835 --> 00:51:50,125
- Not guilty…
- [cheering]
979
00:51:50,212 --> 00:51:51,342
[cheering]
980
00:51:58,470 --> 00:52:00,310
[cheering fades out]
981
00:52:00,388 --> 00:52:03,098
Johnnie told me
after the first "not guilty,"
982
00:52:03,183 --> 00:52:06,393
he started bending over
and hitting O.J., holding on to him,
983
00:52:06,478 --> 00:52:08,308
telling him, "You're going home, Juice."
984
00:52:08,396 --> 00:52:11,266
"You're going home. You're going home."
985
00:52:11,816 --> 00:52:12,936
Oh my God. I was elated.
986
00:52:13,026 --> 00:52:15,566
I got my kids out of school.
I let them know.
987
00:52:15,654 --> 00:52:18,074
And they said, "Uncle O.J. can come home?"
988
00:52:18,156 --> 00:52:19,986
I said, "Yeah. He can come home."
989
00:52:20,075 --> 00:52:22,285
[Robertson] "We the jury in the above
entitled action find
990
00:52:22,369 --> 00:52:23,999
the defendant Orenthal James Simpson
991
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:27,789
not guilty of the crime of murder
upon Ronald Lyle Goldman,
992
00:52:27,874 --> 00:52:30,964
a human being as charged
in count two of the information."
993
00:52:31,044 --> 00:52:33,054
[gentle music playing]
994
00:52:35,924 --> 00:52:37,684
- Not guilty of the crime of murder…
- [gasps]
995
00:52:37,759 --> 00:52:39,639
- Not guilty of the crime of murder…
- [cheering]
996
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:45,229
Not guilty of the crime of murder…
section 197-A, a felony.
997
00:52:45,308 --> 00:52:46,388
[gentle music playing]
998
00:52:46,476 --> 00:52:49,646
I can never forget the scream
that Kim Goldman made
999
00:52:49,729 --> 00:52:51,729
after the decision was read.
1000
00:52:55,944 --> 00:52:57,154
I can hear it to this day.
1001
00:52:57,737 --> 00:52:59,357
And I felt so bad for her.
1002
00:52:59,447 --> 00:53:00,487
It cut her deeply.
1003
00:53:02,701 --> 00:53:06,291
And I hated that we had to do that.
1004
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:09,710
[sniffles]
1005
00:53:12,127 --> 00:53:13,837
Okay, how can I do this?
1006
00:53:17,048 --> 00:53:21,138
Um, I remember, you know,
Marcia and Chris with their heads down.
1007
00:53:23,013 --> 00:53:26,933
Phil Vannatter and Tom Lange
put their arms over the banister
1008
00:53:27,017 --> 00:53:28,517
to hold my hand.
1009
00:53:31,313 --> 00:53:34,273
We don't get over these things.
You don't heal with time.
1010
00:53:34,357 --> 00:53:35,277
This is forever.
1011
00:53:36,151 --> 00:53:39,321
[Darden] I was shocked at how fast
the "not guilty" verdict came.
1012
00:53:40,363 --> 00:53:43,243
I mean, who could imagine
all of these things coming together,
1013
00:53:43,325 --> 00:53:44,825
all at the same time.
1014
00:53:44,909 --> 00:53:47,499
You know, you have all of this stuff,
all of these events
1015
00:53:47,579 --> 00:53:51,329
that just create a perfect
circumstantial situation
1016
00:53:51,416 --> 00:53:52,706
to get a "not guilty."
1017
00:53:52,792 --> 00:53:56,502
You know, either it's a beautiful thing
or it's a travesty of justice.
1018
00:53:56,588 --> 00:53:59,468
I guess it's all about one's perspective.
1019
00:54:00,050 --> 00:54:02,180
O.J. is not guilty!
1020
00:54:02,802 --> 00:54:05,102
We got it! We got it!
1021
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:07,350
[man] How do you feel about the verdict?
1022
00:54:07,432 --> 00:54:09,562
I think that this is
a victory for all mankind.
1023
00:54:09,642 --> 00:54:14,402
I cried twice out of joy in my life.
1024
00:54:15,607 --> 00:54:17,687
Once when my son was born,
1025
00:54:18,818 --> 00:54:21,948
and once during the O.J. Simpson verdict.
1026
00:54:22,781 --> 00:54:26,161
I was so moved
that I was brought to tears.
1027
00:54:26,242 --> 00:54:27,832
- [upbeat music playing]
- [cheering]
1028
00:54:27,911 --> 00:54:31,121
[Darden] Seeing people celebrate
after the verdict?
1029
00:54:31,206 --> 00:54:33,496
You know, some people
believed he was innocent.
1030
00:54:33,583 --> 00:54:36,963
In the beginning,
I knew O.J. was innocent.
1031
00:54:37,045 --> 00:54:40,085
Other people believed he'd been set up
1032
00:54:40,173 --> 00:54:42,973
and that the LAPD had been exposed.
1033
00:54:43,051 --> 00:54:44,471
There needs to be an investigation,
1034
00:54:44,552 --> 00:54:46,932
and maybe Fuhrman
and some more people need to go to jail,
1035
00:54:47,013 --> 00:54:49,313
and also, LAPD needs to be reformed.
1036
00:54:49,391 --> 00:54:51,431
There are a lot
of problems with this country
1037
00:54:51,518 --> 00:54:54,398
that we need to all get together
to try to work out,
1038
00:54:54,479 --> 00:54:57,979
and I just hope that it can start today.
1039
00:54:58,066 --> 00:55:00,986
And some people felt that this was a way
1040
00:55:01,069 --> 00:55:04,449
to pay back the LAPD and the city
1041
00:55:04,531 --> 00:55:06,241
for what happened to Rodney King.
1042
00:55:06,324 --> 00:55:09,244
It's also for the millions
of other Black men out there
1043
00:55:09,327 --> 00:55:11,497
that have gotten stomped
and sent to prison,
1044
00:55:11,579 --> 00:55:14,249
that didn't have
the resources to fight a case.
1045
00:55:14,332 --> 00:55:17,212
But if the celebration is or was
1046
00:55:18,294 --> 00:55:21,134
that a double-murderer
got away with murder,
1047
00:55:21,214 --> 00:55:23,054
I don't want to be a part of that.
1048
00:55:23,133 --> 00:55:26,143
Not everyone here is happy.
I noticed that you are not.
1049
00:55:26,219 --> 00:55:27,719
[woman 1] I feel so bad for her.
1050
00:55:27,804 --> 00:55:29,854
She said if he ever did it,
he'd get away with it.
1051
00:55:29,931 --> 00:55:32,431
That's what she said. And he knows he did.
1052
00:55:32,517 --> 00:55:34,137
I think he's guilty as hell.
1053
00:55:35,103 --> 00:55:37,483
I think he got off because
the jury was mainly Black.
1054
00:55:37,564 --> 00:55:44,284
[woman 2] If you are a hero, and you
play football and you make a lot of money,
1055
00:55:44,362 --> 00:55:46,242
I guess you can commit murder.
1056
00:55:48,825 --> 00:55:54,495
The criminal justice process
is rife with occasions and trials
1057
00:55:54,581 --> 00:55:58,921
where people of color think,
"The system has not been fair to us."
1058
00:55:59,002 --> 00:56:03,882
People of color think that
"We have been railroaded by the process."
1059
00:56:04,382 --> 00:56:07,052
As a Black woman, I was scared for O.J.
1060
00:56:07,135 --> 00:56:10,005
because we have seen it
happen over and over again.
1061
00:56:10,096 --> 00:56:14,346
This divide's always there,
always been there, still there today.
1062
00:56:14,434 --> 00:56:17,734
Different people, different races,
different cultures
1063
00:56:17,812 --> 00:56:21,442
looking at the same thing
and seeing something entirely different.
1064
00:56:21,524 --> 00:56:26,784
It was stark, undeniable, irretrievable,
1065
00:56:26,863 --> 00:56:28,323
and it is America.
1066
00:56:28,823 --> 00:56:30,493
I think it's absolutely appalling.
1067
00:56:30,575 --> 00:56:32,905
It gives me no faith
in the jury system whatsoever.
1068
00:56:32,994 --> 00:56:38,714
There's something that a lot
of white people didn't understand
1069
00:56:38,791 --> 00:56:42,341
in terms of what
would be described as celebrating.
1070
00:56:42,420 --> 00:56:44,460
[cheering]
1071
00:56:45,673 --> 00:56:47,553
O.J. Simpson was just a vessel
1072
00:56:47,634 --> 00:56:51,684
from which all of the frustrations
1073
00:56:52,263 --> 00:56:57,983
and the anger and the disappointment
over decades was funneled.
1074
00:56:58,061 --> 00:57:00,611
[frenetic music playing]
1075
00:57:01,314 --> 00:57:04,034
They weren't celebrating
O.J. Simpson the man.
1076
00:57:04,108 --> 00:57:05,688
[cheering]
1077
00:57:06,444 --> 00:57:10,914
We were able to win in a system
1078
00:57:10,990 --> 00:57:14,870
where we'd rarely, if ever, win.
1079
00:57:14,953 --> 00:57:17,213
[horns blaring]
1080
00:57:17,288 --> 00:57:21,418
Oh, the Juice is loose. He's loose!
1081
00:57:22,043 --> 00:57:24,553
He's loose! He's loose!
1082
00:57:24,629 --> 00:57:27,009
The system worked, is what I thought.
1083
00:57:27,090 --> 00:57:30,840
I don't think they found him innocent.
I think they found him not guilty.
1084
00:57:30,927 --> 00:57:31,927
Big difference.
1085
00:57:32,011 --> 00:57:33,181
[dramatic music playing]
1086
00:57:33,263 --> 00:57:35,143
I think that the killer was acquitted
1087
00:57:35,223 --> 00:57:38,483
because the jury wasn't…
1088
00:57:40,144 --> 00:57:42,114
brave enough to find him guilty.
1089
00:57:44,232 --> 00:57:46,112
I did not find O.J. Simpson guilty
1090
00:57:46,192 --> 00:57:48,492
because there was
reasonable doubt in that case
1091
00:57:48,570 --> 00:57:51,160
and I… I couldn't ignore it.
1092
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:52,489
It was there,
1093
00:57:52,574 --> 00:57:55,494
and that was the only decision
I could come up with because of it.
1094
00:57:58,496 --> 00:58:00,206
[Fuhrman] When that verdict came out,
1095
00:58:00,290 --> 00:58:03,080
I was hoping for the best,
preparing for the worst,
1096
00:58:03,167 --> 00:58:08,417
but I knew that if
that verdict went sideways,
1097
00:58:09,132 --> 00:58:10,762
they're coming after me some way.
1098
00:58:10,842 --> 00:58:16,562
I actually had hopes that people
could see through my life, my baggage…
1099
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:20,809
I think Mark Fuhrman
believed O.J. was guilty
1100
00:58:20,893 --> 00:58:25,483
and he was going to make sure
that he was prosecuted for it.
1101
00:58:25,565 --> 00:58:30,445
[man] Detective Fuhrman, did you plant
or manufacture any evidence in this case?
1102
00:58:30,528 --> 00:58:31,608
No.
1103
00:58:31,696 --> 00:58:33,816
And that's the way I would have testified.
1104
00:58:33,906 --> 00:58:37,576
I never planted evidence on anybody.
That's… It was absolutely ridiculous.
1105
00:58:37,660 --> 00:58:41,120
And the department
made sure that they investigated it
1106
00:58:41,205 --> 00:58:43,825
and they came up with nothing.
1107
00:58:43,916 --> 00:58:46,666
[man] And why should we believe you now?
1108
00:58:46,753 --> 00:58:48,003
The evidence is there.
1109
00:58:48,087 --> 00:58:53,377
If they want to believe a certain way,
I can't change that.
1110
00:58:53,468 --> 00:58:54,838
It is what it is.
1111
00:58:54,927 --> 00:58:56,717
He tainted that case.
1112
00:58:57,305 --> 00:58:59,015
I just wish he was not there.
1113
00:58:59,849 --> 00:59:02,309
[helicopter whirs]
1114
00:59:05,313 --> 00:59:08,693
After the trial, we wanted him
to go to the Bahamas for a week.
1115
00:59:09,942 --> 00:59:11,992
Go to Jamaica and chill out.
1116
00:59:12,070 --> 00:59:14,200
"Nah, I'm going back to Rockingham."
1117
00:59:15,156 --> 00:59:16,946
[Gilbert] He just wanted to go home.
1118
00:59:17,033 --> 00:59:18,913
[somber music playing]
1119
00:59:18,993 --> 00:59:23,043
He said, "I want to go home to where
I had a life with Nicole and the kids."
1120
00:59:32,173 --> 00:59:35,643
[indistinct chatter]
1121
00:59:36,135 --> 00:59:37,845
- Yes!
- Yes.
1122
00:59:39,806 --> 00:59:43,766
What happened with the…
Oh, they're still talking? Is this live?
1123
00:59:43,851 --> 00:59:45,271
- Yeah.
- Yes, that's live.
1124
00:59:45,353 --> 00:59:48,733
We are, all of us,
profoundly disappointed with the verdict.
1125
00:59:49,315 --> 00:59:52,435
Apparently their decision
was based on emotion.
1126
00:59:52,527 --> 00:59:54,147
That overcame the reason.
1127
00:59:54,237 --> 00:59:56,947
Look at this guy trying to…
He's campaigning.
1128
00:59:58,866 --> 01:00:00,026
[woman] Oh, he's in pain.
1129
01:00:00,118 --> 01:00:03,118
None of you will ever know…
1130
01:00:05,123 --> 01:00:08,463
the personal sacrifices
everyone here made.
1131
01:00:09,627 --> 01:00:12,507
Yeah, this was the one case,
you got the wrong guy.
1132
01:00:12,588 --> 01:00:15,378
Like all those other cases
you let who did it get away.
1133
01:00:15,466 --> 01:00:17,386
No one here has spared any effort.
1134
01:00:18,010 --> 01:00:22,890
Everyone here has put in 110%.
1135
01:00:22,974 --> 01:00:25,644
[Kim Goldman] I think Marcia was having
a hard time finding the words,
1136
01:00:25,727 --> 01:00:27,897
but Chris was just devastated.
1137
01:00:27,979 --> 01:00:29,229
I'm not bitter.
1138
01:00:30,481 --> 01:00:31,731
And I'm not angry.
1139
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:38,200
But I'd also like to thank
the lawyers on our prosecution team.
1140
01:00:38,281 --> 01:00:40,071
I am honored to have…
1141
01:00:40,158 --> 01:00:41,488
[chokes back tears]
1142
01:00:52,336 --> 01:00:54,916
You know, it was kind of
a shock to the system.
1143
01:00:55,006 --> 01:00:55,836
Um.
1144
01:00:59,302 --> 01:01:01,722
You know, somebody's responsible for this.
1145
01:01:03,222 --> 01:01:05,432
You know?
And I'm partly responsible for it.
1146
01:01:06,851 --> 01:01:10,311
He still to this day
feels like he has let us down.
1147
01:01:10,396 --> 01:01:12,476
He still carries that guilt with him.
1148
01:01:12,565 --> 01:01:14,685
You know, Ron Goldman fought for his life.
1149
01:01:17,361 --> 01:01:24,161
Ron Goldman was forced
to grab the end of a sharp knife
1150
01:01:24,744 --> 01:01:26,754
to try to save himself.
1151
01:01:27,872 --> 01:01:29,582
Nicole deserved better.
1152
01:01:30,166 --> 01:01:31,536
She was moving on.
1153
01:01:32,043 --> 01:01:34,343
She was no longer catering to him.
1154
01:01:34,420 --> 01:01:36,630
He was no longer part of her family.
1155
01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:39,010
And he couldn't take it.
1156
01:01:39,091 --> 01:01:42,091
- [helicopter whirring]
- [dramatic music playing]
1157
01:01:42,178 --> 01:01:44,808
[Thomson] Immediately after the acquittal,
we had a big party.
1158
01:01:44,889 --> 01:01:48,139
The news helicopters were flying along
and it was quite an event.
1159
01:01:48,226 --> 01:01:50,096
[man] Talk to O.J. Come on.
1160
01:01:50,603 --> 01:01:51,903
[indistinct chatter]
1161
01:01:51,979 --> 01:01:55,939
I don't think anybody in that house
was thinking about Ron or Nicole.
1162
01:01:56,025 --> 01:01:59,105
I think they were just happy
that O.J. was home.
1163
01:01:59,195 --> 01:02:01,405
[woman on TV talking indistinctly]
1164
01:02:01,489 --> 01:02:04,779
Bob Shapiro was the one lawyer who,
1165
01:02:04,867 --> 01:02:08,197
rather than going to O.J.'s house
for the celebration,
1166
01:02:08,287 --> 01:02:13,287
immediately after the verdict,
went on Barbara Walters' show
1167
01:02:14,085 --> 01:02:18,005
and had the audacity to complain
1168
01:02:18,089 --> 01:02:20,589
that we played the race card
1169
01:02:20,675 --> 01:02:23,635
and dealt from the bottom of the deck.
1170
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:26,509
Barbara, my position was always the same,
1171
01:02:26,597 --> 01:02:30,057
that race would not and should not
be a part of this case.
1172
01:02:30,893 --> 01:02:32,193
I was wrong.
1173
01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:34,190
Not only did we play the race card,
1174
01:02:34,814 --> 01:02:36,824
{\an8}we dealt it from the bottom of the deck.
1175
01:02:37,859 --> 01:02:43,409
Why would you be disparaging your team
after a successful victory?
1176
01:02:43,489 --> 01:02:44,949
I mean, I didn't understand.
1177
01:02:45,700 --> 01:02:48,160
I think it's just sour grapes
1178
01:02:48,244 --> 01:02:51,254
because he felt like
he had been shouldered out of the case.
1179
01:02:52,456 --> 01:02:54,286
It was hypocritical,
1180
01:02:54,375 --> 01:02:56,955
because the whole theory
from the very beginning, Mark Fuhrman.
1181
01:02:57,044 --> 01:03:01,304
It was something that was hatched
in his office in Century City.
1182
01:03:03,259 --> 01:03:06,679
So for him now to have buyer's remorse
1183
01:03:06,762 --> 01:03:08,892
was beyond the pale to me.
1184
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,390
This stuff about
playing a race card is preposterous.
1185
01:03:12,476 --> 01:03:15,646
It would be malpractice
if a man has racist views in a case
1186
01:03:15,730 --> 01:03:17,230
and a lawyer doesn't pursue that.
1187
01:03:17,315 --> 01:03:18,315
Anybody who says that
1188
01:03:18,399 --> 01:03:20,569
doesn't know how to try cases,
doesn't know anything.
1189
01:03:20,651 --> 01:03:24,781
Ironically, O.J. bent over backwards
not to live a Black life.
1190
01:03:24,864 --> 01:03:27,744
Then he became the champion
for every Black man
1191
01:03:27,825 --> 01:03:30,825
that had ever been beaten by a cop
or insulted by a cop.
1192
01:03:30,912 --> 01:03:34,792
A lot of people,
including a lot of O.J.'s friends, say,
1193
01:03:34,874 --> 01:03:39,554
"O.J. didn't want to be Black.
He thought of himself as being white."
1194
01:03:39,629 --> 01:03:42,629
He said, "Mike, it isn't
that I want to be white
1195
01:03:42,715 --> 01:03:44,795
and surround myself with white friends."
1196
01:03:44,884 --> 01:03:48,184
"It's I don't want to be
identified as a color."
1197
01:03:48,763 --> 01:03:53,603
He wasn't saying "I'm not Black."
He was saying, "I'm O.J."
1198
01:03:53,684 --> 01:03:55,694
[tense music playing]
1199
01:03:57,188 --> 01:03:58,188
[camera clicks]
1200
01:03:59,815 --> 01:04:04,855
After the trial, he said,
"I just want to be just a normal guy
1201
01:04:04,946 --> 01:04:09,696
that wakes up in the morning and,
you know, take his kids to school."
1202
01:04:09,784 --> 01:04:11,084
I knew it'd never be the same,
1203
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,870
but I thought we would get
some semblance of a career back.
1204
01:04:19,085 --> 01:04:20,035
[camera clicks]
1205
01:04:22,964 --> 01:04:23,974
And he didn't.
1206
01:04:24,048 --> 01:04:27,258
[indistinct shouting]
1207
01:04:27,343 --> 01:04:28,933
He was tainted.
1208
01:04:29,011 --> 01:04:31,721
Don't play with O.J.!
1209
01:04:31,806 --> 01:04:37,896
His golf buddies desert him,
his country club makes him feel unwelcome.
1210
01:04:39,647 --> 01:04:41,857
{\an8}He became the ultimate pariah.
1211
01:04:41,941 --> 01:04:43,321
He couldn't go anywhere,
1212
01:04:43,401 --> 01:04:44,861
couldn't talk to anyone.
1213
01:04:46,195 --> 01:04:48,735
- It was almost like a facial tattoo.
- [camera clicks]
1214
01:04:50,366 --> 01:04:56,406
He felt that "If the fans didn't love me,
if they didn't want to see me…"
1215
01:04:59,875 --> 01:05:01,495
His image, everything, was gone.
1216
01:05:01,585 --> 01:05:02,745
[camera clicks]
1217
01:05:02,837 --> 01:05:06,627
Losing the adoration of the public
1218
01:05:06,716 --> 01:05:09,886
impacted him in ways
that I could only imagine.
1219
01:05:09,969 --> 01:05:14,099
Why don't you sell the Brentwood estate,
go away for a little while?
1220
01:05:14,181 --> 01:05:15,521
Go where?
1221
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:18,559
They want me to go to Africa,
is that what some of those people want?
1222
01:05:18,644 --> 01:05:20,774
Then came the civil trial.
1223
01:05:20,855 --> 01:05:22,765
[ominous music playing]
1224
01:05:22,857 --> 01:05:26,607
After the verdict, I remember the first
thing I did is I went to the cemetery,
1225
01:05:26,694 --> 01:05:29,704
and I apologized to my brother,
1226
01:05:29,780 --> 01:05:32,990
because I felt like I had
let him down in some way.
1227
01:05:34,452 --> 01:05:35,452
I know I didn't.
1228
01:05:35,536 --> 01:05:39,366
But I feel like I could
have done something different.
1229
01:05:39,457 --> 01:05:41,997
We moved very quickly into the civil case.
1230
01:05:47,506 --> 01:05:51,386
In a criminal case,
punishment is prison, jail time.
1231
01:05:51,469 --> 01:05:54,099
In a civil case, it is monetary.
1232
01:05:54,180 --> 01:05:56,430
But that's not what we were pursuing.
1233
01:05:56,515 --> 01:05:59,305
We wanted 12 people to say
that he was responsible.
1234
01:06:01,270 --> 01:06:03,060
[woman] Opening arguments began today
1235
01:06:03,147 --> 01:06:05,357
in the wrongful death suit
against Simpson,
1236
01:06:05,441 --> 01:06:09,151
filed by the families
of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman.
1237
01:06:09,236 --> 01:06:12,196
The difference between the two cases
was largely about burden of proof.
1238
01:06:12,281 --> 01:06:15,741
The criminal case,
you had to find O.J. responsible
1239
01:06:15,826 --> 01:06:18,246
beyond a reasonable doubt.
1240
01:06:18,329 --> 01:06:23,249
The civil case only turned on
"More likely true than not true."
1241
01:06:23,334 --> 01:06:25,004
So it's an easier standard to meet.
1242
01:06:25,836 --> 01:06:29,006
[woman] The entire Brown family now are
making their way to the courthouse.
1243
01:06:29,090 --> 01:06:32,010
The sisters Dominique, Tanya, Denise,
1244
01:06:32,093 --> 01:06:34,513
mother and father
Juditha and Lou Brown, as well.
1245
01:06:35,304 --> 01:06:39,024
[Toobin] The trial was in Santa Monica
with a different jury pool.
1246
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:40,480
Less Black, more white.
1247
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:44,519
You know, they had the opportunity
to watch the criminal case,
1248
01:06:44,605 --> 01:06:45,935
see what our mistakes were,
1249
01:06:46,023 --> 01:06:49,153
see which witnesses
were effective, which weren't.
1250
01:06:49,777 --> 01:06:51,817
[Rivera] They did not have Mark Fuhrman.
1251
01:06:51,904 --> 01:06:54,034
Scarcely had any law enforcement.
1252
01:06:54,115 --> 01:06:56,325
It was with a very different judge,
1253
01:06:56,408 --> 01:06:58,198
who did not allow cameras.
1254
01:06:58,786 --> 01:07:00,326
Oh, right. And O.J. testified.
1255
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,170
- [man 1] Swear the witness.
- [man 2] Raise your hand.
1256
01:07:03,249 --> 01:07:06,289
Do you solemnly swear that
the testimony you give in this deposition
1257
01:07:06,377 --> 01:07:08,797
will be nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
1258
01:07:08,879 --> 01:07:09,759
I do.
1259
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:14,549
You could tell O.J. had challenges
1260
01:07:14,635 --> 01:07:17,925
acknowledging or accepting responsibility
1261
01:07:18,013 --> 01:07:20,103
for the domestic violence portions.
1262
01:07:20,182 --> 01:07:22,022
- [man 1] Did you ever strike her?
- No.
1263
01:07:22,101 --> 01:07:23,351
- [man 1] Did you hurt her?
- Yes.
1264
01:07:23,435 --> 01:07:24,805
- [man 1] Physically hurt her?
- Yes.
1265
01:07:24,895 --> 01:07:26,145
- [man 1] You bruise her?
- Yes.
1266
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:27,940
[man 1] Did you ever make her
black and blue?
1267
01:07:28,023 --> 01:07:29,783
- I didn't hit her.
- [man 1] What'd you do?
1268
01:07:29,859 --> 01:07:31,859
- I wrestled her.
- [man 1] What does that mean?
1269
01:07:31,944 --> 01:07:36,954
O.J.'s testimony
was contradictory, unconvincing.
1270
01:07:37,658 --> 01:07:39,288
He lied.
1271
01:07:39,368 --> 01:07:42,078
What? Ask me the question like
they asked. I'll give an answer.
1272
01:07:42,163 --> 01:07:43,913
[man 1] Where were you between 10 and 11?
1273
01:07:43,998 --> 01:07:46,578
I don't know if they
asked me that question. I was home.
1274
01:07:46,667 --> 01:07:48,497
[man 1] If they did ask you,
what did you say?
1275
01:07:48,586 --> 01:07:51,376
I don't recall if they asked me,
so I don't know what I said.
1276
01:07:51,463 --> 01:07:53,423
- Why don't you ask me?
- [man 1] I just did.
1277
01:07:53,507 --> 01:07:54,967
- Why don't you ask?
- [man 1] Because…
1278
01:07:55,050 --> 01:07:57,600
[man 2] Wait. Time-out.
We're gonna take a break right here.
1279
01:07:57,678 --> 01:07:58,638
All right.
1280
01:08:00,347 --> 01:08:01,177
[chuckles]
1281
01:08:02,099 --> 01:08:04,229
[upbeat theme tune playing]
1282
01:08:04,310 --> 01:08:08,150
Hi, everybody. I'm Geraldo Rivera.
We have a verdict in the Simpson case.
1283
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:10,650
[sirens wailing]
1284
01:08:13,444 --> 01:08:15,454
- [solemn music playing]
- [cheering]
1285
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:22,409
He was unanimously found responsible
for causing the death of Ron and Nicole.
1286
01:08:27,541 --> 01:08:29,251
You know, to have 12 people
1287
01:08:29,335 --> 01:08:31,915
sit down and go,
"Oh, yeah, he took your brother's life,"
1288
01:08:32,004 --> 01:08:34,094
that was pretty incredible.
1289
01:08:36,675 --> 01:08:40,545
There's a sense
of pride and of accomplishment.
1290
01:08:40,638 --> 01:08:42,388
There's just a rush of emotions.
1291
01:08:42,473 --> 01:08:45,023
Our family is grateful
1292
01:08:46,143 --> 01:08:49,943
for a verdict of responsibility,
1293
01:08:50,022 --> 01:08:51,862
which is all we ever wanted.
1294
01:08:52,608 --> 01:08:53,778
And we have it.
1295
01:08:53,859 --> 01:08:55,239
[voice breaking] Thank God.
1296
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:56,779
- [man] Kim?
- Ron is proud.
1297
01:08:56,862 --> 01:08:58,822
- Ron is proud.
- We did this for Ron.
1298
01:08:59,949 --> 01:09:01,779
[man] Okay, that's gonna be it.
1299
01:09:01,867 --> 01:09:07,867
{\an8}It's something we wanted to hear
since two and a half years.
1300
01:09:10,125 --> 01:09:13,335
And it finally came.
1301
01:09:14,964 --> 01:09:18,474
{\an8}And we know justice will be done some day,
1302
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:21,260
{\an8}but I always said
I'd still like to hear it.
1303
01:09:21,887 --> 01:09:25,597
But the day that he, you know,
was found responsible,
1304
01:09:25,683 --> 01:09:28,603
he walked out the same doors that we did,
and that felt weird.
1305
01:09:31,272 --> 01:09:34,192
The person that a jury just said
killed your loved one
1306
01:09:34,275 --> 01:09:35,935
is just driving away in their Suburban.
1307
01:09:36,026 --> 01:09:40,066
[man] Before he went home, he stopped by
this Baskin-Robbins in Brentwood.
1308
01:09:40,155 --> 01:09:42,025
[Kim Goldman] And then he went
and got ice cream.
1309
01:09:43,367 --> 01:09:47,407
That was a weird, jarring thing
to have to process.
1310
01:09:49,540 --> 01:09:51,880
[man] So there will be
no celebration at Rockingham,
1311
01:09:51,959 --> 01:09:55,299
no party like the one we saw
following the criminal jury's verdict.
1312
01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:58,510
I can understand anyone saying,
1313
01:09:58,590 --> 01:10:03,180
"It's more likely true than not true
that O.J. was responsible."
1314
01:10:03,762 --> 01:10:04,932
I understand that.
1315
01:10:05,014 --> 01:10:08,434
I knew we were gonna lose that one.
I think everybody knew we were gonna lose.
1316
01:10:08,517 --> 01:10:10,267
So I felt that it would go that way.
1317
01:10:10,352 --> 01:10:13,522
What I didn't expect
was that ridiculous amount of money.
1318
01:10:18,068 --> 01:10:21,408
They imposed damages of $33.5 million.
1319
01:10:22,614 --> 01:10:25,494
He said, "I'm never gonna pay them."
[laughs]
1320
01:10:26,493 --> 01:10:30,003
Yeah. He was not happy. He was pissed.
1321
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,460
It is up to you
to collect on that judgment.
1322
01:10:33,542 --> 01:10:36,752
The system does not provide you
with the resources to do that.
1323
01:10:36,837 --> 01:10:40,757
So while we were between
the two families awarded,
1324
01:10:40,841 --> 01:10:44,091
you know, a ridiculous amount of money,
we were not handed a check
1325
01:10:44,178 --> 01:10:47,138
because he was able
to hide all of his assets
1326
01:10:47,222 --> 01:10:49,272
and most of his assets are protected.
1327
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:50,480
We've collected nothing.
1328
01:10:50,559 --> 01:10:53,019
[man] Are you expecting
to ever see any of that money?
1329
01:10:53,103 --> 01:10:54,693
We are never expecting to see it,
1330
01:10:54,772 --> 01:10:58,072
but if I can make his life miserable
in the meantime, hell, yeah.
1331
01:10:58,150 --> 01:11:00,150
[inaudible conversation]
1332
01:11:02,905 --> 01:11:06,445
For so many years, we had a purpose.
We were showing up to court every day.
1333
01:11:06,533 --> 01:11:09,163
We had people surrounding us always.
1334
01:11:09,244 --> 01:11:12,464
There was always a camera,
always a reporter, always people.
1335
01:11:13,540 --> 01:11:16,290
When the civil case ended
and people kind of went away
1336
01:11:16,377 --> 01:11:18,587
and the media stopped
doing the stories as much,
1337
01:11:18,670 --> 01:11:21,840
I thought, "Wait, what's happening?
Where'd everybody go?"
1338
01:11:22,716 --> 01:11:25,926
And that was when I think
the grief, um, took over for sure.
1339
01:11:29,264 --> 01:11:33,104
The IRS has filed a lien against
O.J. Simpson's Brentwood mansion.
1340
01:11:33,685 --> 01:11:36,355
It says he owes more than $685,000
1341
01:11:36,438 --> 01:11:39,148
in back taxes, interest, and penalties.
1342
01:11:39,233 --> 01:11:43,113
He knew he'd eventually lose Rockingham,
which was pretty crushing.
1343
01:11:46,490 --> 01:11:47,870
Well! C'est la vie.
1344
01:11:48,450 --> 01:11:50,700
That was kind of tough,
because, like I say,
1345
01:11:50,786 --> 01:11:52,576
that was Graceland to all of us.
1346
01:11:52,663 --> 01:11:55,373
It was kind of ours.
It wasn't just O.J.'s.
1347
01:11:58,460 --> 01:12:00,300
{\an8}We moved everything out of there.
1348
01:12:02,172 --> 01:12:03,592
This is where…
1349
01:12:06,260 --> 01:12:07,800
blood drops were on the floor.
1350
01:12:09,555 --> 01:12:12,015
And then we had,
starting on this staircase,
1351
01:12:12,099 --> 01:12:15,309
the pictures were
all along these walls of the family,
1352
01:12:15,394 --> 01:12:17,524
Nicole and the kids and everything.
1353
01:12:19,857 --> 01:12:23,107
[Gilbert] And one night,
we were still at Rockingham.
1354
01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:27,569
It was one of the nights
where it's just us,
1355
01:12:27,656 --> 01:12:29,696
and we're sitting outside by the pool.
1356
01:12:31,076 --> 01:12:32,486
I'd never seen O.J. like that.
1357
01:12:32,578 --> 01:12:36,038
You could see he was very deep in thought,
and very emotional, sentimental.
1358
01:12:37,249 --> 01:12:38,829
And he said, "Mike…"
1359
01:12:39,710 --> 01:12:41,420
"Do you see that tree?"
1360
01:12:42,254 --> 01:12:45,384
The chlorine from the pool would splash
and it was killing the tree.
1361
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:51,180
He says, "Nicole and I spent
thousands of dollars to save this tree
1362
01:12:52,055 --> 01:12:53,675
and it's here."
1363
01:12:54,641 --> 01:12:58,691
And he started crying. "Nicole's not here.
She's gone and she's supposed to be here."
1364
01:13:00,230 --> 01:13:02,940
"We couldn't save our marriage,
1365
01:13:04,026 --> 01:13:05,776
but we saved this tree."
1366
01:13:06,778 --> 01:13:10,408
It was just one of those moments,
you know, that is right.
1367
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:16,250
I said, "O.J., what happened that night?
Just… what happened?"
1368
01:13:17,915 --> 01:13:20,415
He said, "What do you think happened?"
1369
01:13:20,501 --> 01:13:23,501
And I thought, "Do I do what agents do?"
1370
01:13:23,587 --> 01:13:26,127
You just, "Oh, yeah.
No, I know you couldn't do it."
1371
01:13:26,215 --> 01:13:28,175
"I know you never would have done it."
1372
01:13:28,258 --> 01:13:29,508
Or do you tell the truth?
1373
01:13:30,219 --> 01:13:31,679
And I said, "You know, O.J.…
1374
01:13:34,431 --> 01:13:36,271
I always thought you did it."
1375
01:13:36,350 --> 01:13:38,270
And he glanced up.
1376
01:13:38,352 --> 01:13:41,022
I said, "Not because
I see you as a murderer."
1377
01:13:41,605 --> 01:13:42,515
"Because I don't."
1378
01:13:45,108 --> 01:13:48,148
And he just kind of shook his head,
1379
01:13:48,237 --> 01:13:49,817
and he said…
1380
01:13:53,700 --> 01:13:54,540
[clicks tongue]
1381
01:13:54,618 --> 01:13:59,748
"If Nicole wouldn't have
opened the door with a knife,
1382
01:13:59,831 --> 01:14:01,711
she would still be alive."
1383
01:14:02,543 --> 01:14:04,553
[ominous music playing]
1384
01:14:06,713 --> 01:14:08,423
I didn't sleep very well that night,
1385
01:14:08,507 --> 01:14:11,387
but I just remember laying there thinking,
1386
01:14:12,052 --> 01:14:14,562
"Where does our relationship…
Where do we go from here?"
1387
01:14:15,556 --> 01:14:20,436
Do I walk away after
everything that I'd invested,
1388
01:14:20,519 --> 01:14:24,899
or do I not judge him
by the worst day of his life?
1389
01:14:25,482 --> 01:14:28,492
Uh, and so I quit.
1390
01:14:31,113 --> 01:14:33,123
[tense music playing]
1391
01:14:34,199 --> 01:14:36,239
[Rivera] O.J. moved to Florida
1392
01:14:36,326 --> 01:14:42,536
and then arrogantly flaunted
his post-acquittal fortunes.
1393
01:14:42,624 --> 01:14:43,794
It's all about money.
1394
01:14:43,875 --> 01:14:46,125
See you later. I got a golf game to play.
1395
01:14:46,211 --> 01:14:48,211
I feel like he continued
to want to be in the news.
1396
01:14:48,297 --> 01:14:50,797
He went on to try to do a reality show.
1397
01:14:50,882 --> 01:14:52,012
It was good for me.
1398
01:14:52,092 --> 01:14:53,932
Got me out of harm's way.
1399
01:14:54,011 --> 01:14:55,891
- Just sit in it.
- Okay, I'll sit in it.
1400
01:14:55,971 --> 01:14:57,351
Even if there's a dead body in it.
1401
01:14:57,431 --> 01:14:59,221
Hopefully there's no bodies in this thing.
1402
01:15:00,142 --> 01:15:03,772
When he went to Florida, he was acting
like a 20-something-year-old
1403
01:15:03,854 --> 01:15:05,024
rookie in the NFL.
1404
01:15:05,939 --> 01:15:10,029
Drinking, going to strip clubs,
banging groupies, doing blow.
1405
01:15:10,527 --> 01:15:12,607
♪ Why do people wonder
'Bout my intentions… ♪
1406
01:15:13,196 --> 01:15:17,366
The remnants of O.J.
in his post-trial life
1407
01:15:18,201 --> 01:15:24,211
was this person reduced
to fleeting memories of glories past.
1408
01:15:25,667 --> 01:15:28,667
[Gilbert] I remember telling him toward
the end, I said, "You know, O.J.,
1409
01:15:28,754 --> 01:15:31,924
you're the worst of O.J. Simpson.
You're becoming that person."
1410
01:15:32,007 --> 01:15:36,007
"That part of America that hates you…
you're proving them right."
1411
01:15:41,642 --> 01:15:45,102
{\an8}Las Vegas police detectives spent
the night questioning O.J. Simpson.
1412
01:15:45,187 --> 01:15:49,227
They're investigating memorabilia
stolen from a casino hotel room.
1413
01:15:49,941 --> 01:15:51,901
[Gilbert] O.J. was arrested for robbery.
1414
01:15:51,985 --> 01:15:57,065
Apparently, he was trying to take back
some memorabilia that had belonged to him
1415
01:15:57,157 --> 01:16:00,867
from some dealers
that were staying at a hotel in Las Vegas.
1416
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,790
He takes whatever stuff he felt was his
1417
01:16:04,873 --> 01:16:06,043
and a few other items.
1418
01:16:06,124 --> 01:16:10,464
Unfortunately, O.J. didn't know that
the entire incident was being recorded
1419
01:16:10,545 --> 01:16:12,415
by one of the guys in the room.
1420
01:16:13,048 --> 01:16:15,928
Motherfuckers! Think you
can steal my shit to sell it?
1421
01:16:16,009 --> 01:16:17,639
Don't let nobody out of here.
1422
01:16:18,136 --> 01:16:20,216
So they had O.J. dead to rights,
1423
01:16:20,806 --> 01:16:23,596
but the big issue was
that they brought guns.
1424
01:16:24,434 --> 01:16:26,734
[male reporter 1] Las Vegas police
have charged Simpson
1425
01:16:26,812 --> 01:16:29,482
with two counts
of robbery with a deadly weapon.
1426
01:16:29,564 --> 01:16:32,694
Then the next morning,
I get a call from LAPD
1427
01:16:32,776 --> 01:16:36,236
because my name and phone number
was written on all these boxes
1428
01:16:36,321 --> 01:16:37,661
that were in the room.
1429
01:16:37,739 --> 01:16:41,029
And he said, "Okay.
Well, we have a lot of your stuff here."
1430
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:44,620
- And they started explaining the robbery.
- [camera clicking]
1431
01:16:44,705 --> 01:16:47,535
"These guys had guns
and they were looking for you."
1432
01:16:47,624 --> 01:16:49,294
I said, "Why are they looking for me?"
1433
01:16:49,876 --> 01:16:50,996
Give me that picture.
1434
01:16:51,086 --> 01:16:52,126
Give me my stuff!
1435
01:16:52,212 --> 01:16:53,592
{\an8}I bought it from Mike!
1436
01:16:53,672 --> 01:16:54,632
{\an8}Call up his number.
1437
01:16:54,715 --> 01:16:56,335
{\an8}That's what I'm doing. It's under Gilbert.
1438
01:16:56,425 --> 01:16:58,175
{\an8}It's a 559 number.
1439
01:16:58,260 --> 01:17:02,510
He thought I'm out selling
all of his family photo albums
1440
01:17:02,597 --> 01:17:03,887
and all this kind of stuff.
1441
01:17:03,974 --> 01:17:06,944
[male reporter 2] For O.J. Simpson,
what happened in Vegas
1442
01:17:07,018 --> 01:17:09,648
may keep him in Vegas for a long time.
1443
01:17:09,730 --> 01:17:13,690
When the story broke that he was arrested,
1444
01:17:13,775 --> 01:17:16,815
my dad and I felt like our pursuit of him,
1445
01:17:16,903 --> 01:17:19,413
if that's what pushed him
over the edge to commit a crime,
1446
01:17:19,489 --> 01:17:20,619
then more power to us.
1447
01:17:21,408 --> 01:17:24,788
[Gilbert] The cops told me, "You're very
fortunate that you weren't there."
1448
01:17:25,662 --> 01:17:26,582
And I said, "Why?"
1449
01:17:26,663 --> 01:17:28,423
They said, "The guns were for you,
1450
01:17:28,498 --> 01:17:31,328
and if you had been there,
I don't think you'd be here today."
1451
01:17:31,418 --> 01:17:34,548
Now, they may have been saying that
to get me to testify against O.J.
1452
01:17:34,629 --> 01:17:35,459
I don't know.
1453
01:17:36,339 --> 01:17:39,129
[woman] You do solemnly swear
the testimony you're about to give
1454
01:17:39,217 --> 01:17:41,677
shall be nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
1455
01:17:41,762 --> 01:17:42,852
Yes, I do.
1456
01:17:42,929 --> 01:17:47,309
[Gilbert] It felt very odd
since I had been his defender
1457
01:17:47,392 --> 01:17:50,852
and his friend for so long.
1458
01:17:50,937 --> 01:17:54,227
He was the only client that I had
that my kids called "Uncle O.J."
1459
01:17:54,316 --> 01:17:55,726
So it was… it was different
1460
01:17:56,735 --> 01:18:00,735
[Rivera] The thing about his memorabilia
and going obsessively to retrieve it,
1461
01:18:00,822 --> 01:18:04,872
to me, that was him acting out
a muscle memory almost.
1462
01:18:04,951 --> 01:18:09,621
It was O.J. trying to retrieve
or hold on to the remnants
1463
01:18:09,706 --> 01:18:11,956
of what had been a wonderful life.
1464
01:18:12,042 --> 01:18:16,802
This is the last picture of O.J. Simpson
holding his Heisman trophy.
1465
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,510
I wasn't there to hurt anybody.
1466
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:22,550
I just wanted my personal things,
and I realized that was stupid of me.
1467
01:18:22,636 --> 01:18:23,926
I am sorry.
1468
01:18:24,012 --> 01:18:26,262
I didn't mean
to steal anything from anybody,
1469
01:18:26,348 --> 01:18:28,478
and I didn't know
I was doing anything illegal.
1470
01:18:28,558 --> 01:18:33,098
I thought I was confronting friends
and retrieving my property.
1471
01:18:33,814 --> 01:18:35,734
I remember waiting to go in the courtroom.
1472
01:18:35,816 --> 01:18:37,936
There was a deputy letting people go in,
1473
01:18:38,026 --> 01:18:40,696
she started to close the door
and I put my foot in the door
1474
01:18:40,779 --> 01:18:43,739
and I said,
"You are gonna let us in the room."
1475
01:18:43,824 --> 01:18:46,704
"I don't care what you need to do,
but we will be in that room."
1476
01:18:47,619 --> 01:18:49,619
[woman] We the jury
in the above-entitled case
1477
01:18:49,704 --> 01:18:52,964
find the defendant
Orenthal James Simpson guilty.
1478
01:18:58,964 --> 01:19:02,384
Thirty-three years. Is that fair?
1479
01:19:03,260 --> 01:19:04,340
I don't think so.
1480
01:19:04,427 --> 01:19:06,847
I thought that was
an extremely harsh sentence
1481
01:19:06,930 --> 01:19:10,140
for what seemed like
a really ambiguous situation.
1482
01:19:10,225 --> 01:19:12,435
{\an8}Finally, justice was done.
1483
01:19:12,519 --> 01:19:15,649
{\an8}He does belong in prison.
He is now in prison,
1484
01:19:15,730 --> 01:19:18,980
{\an8}um, and there's a sense
of fairness to that.
1485
01:19:19,067 --> 01:19:23,777
There was an almost white people revenge
1486
01:19:23,864 --> 01:19:26,374
in the Vegas robbery case.
1487
01:19:26,449 --> 01:19:30,999
We're thrilled.
It's kind of a bittersweet moment,
1488
01:19:31,079 --> 01:19:33,789
knowing that that SOB
is going to be in jail
1489
01:19:33,874 --> 01:19:36,174
for a very long time, where he belongs.
1490
01:19:36,251 --> 01:19:42,511
I was absolutely 100% believing
that this was payback for the acquittal,
1491
01:19:42,591 --> 01:19:44,721
and I was totally fine with that.
1492
01:19:46,636 --> 01:19:48,966
[tense music playing]
1493
01:19:50,307 --> 01:19:52,677
I was live in Nevada
1494
01:19:52,767 --> 01:19:55,397
on the first day
he was eligible for parole
1495
01:19:55,478 --> 01:19:58,108
after serving nine years
in the penitentiary.
1496
01:19:59,190 --> 01:20:01,900
I'm no danger to pull a gun on anybody.
1497
01:20:01,985 --> 01:20:03,605
You know, I never have in my life.
1498
01:20:03,695 --> 01:20:06,155
I've never been accused of it in my life.
1499
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:09,579
Nobody's ever accused me
of pulling any weapon on them.
1500
01:20:10,243 --> 01:20:14,083
Mr. Simpson, I do vote
to grant parole when eligible,
1501
01:20:14,164 --> 01:20:16,174
and that will conclude this hearing.
1502
01:20:16,249 --> 01:20:17,669
[sighs] Thank you.
1503
01:20:19,169 --> 01:20:22,839
[female reporter] O.J. Simpson has been
released from a Nevada prison.
1504
01:20:23,423 --> 01:20:26,593
[man] Juice, Juice,
how's it feel to be out?
1505
01:20:26,676 --> 01:20:28,926
Y'all stalking me? [laughs]
1506
01:20:29,512 --> 01:20:31,722
[Rivera] Then he turned up
on social media,
1507
01:20:31,806 --> 01:20:36,686
kind of a caricature
of the public figure he was.
1508
01:20:37,187 --> 01:20:39,187
Hey, Twitter world, this is yours truly.
1509
01:20:39,272 --> 01:20:43,232
Now coming soon to Twitter, you'll
get to read all my thoughts and opinions
1510
01:20:43,318 --> 01:20:45,238
on just about everything.
1511
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,030
You know,
I know I've been away for a while,
1512
01:20:47,113 --> 01:20:49,073
but I don't know
what's going on with America.
1513
01:20:49,157 --> 01:20:52,077
What are we gonna do
to stop this happening in the future?
1514
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,160
Start convicting these guys.
I'm just saying…
1515
01:20:55,246 --> 01:20:57,286
That's part of the past. I'm over it.
1516
01:20:57,374 --> 01:21:00,634
You almost get to the point
you don't know what to believe.
1517
01:21:00,710 --> 01:21:04,170
Policemen committing perjury,
planting evidence, all kinds of things…
1518
01:21:04,255 --> 01:21:07,425
Lying and stealing money
is a little different than murder.
1519
01:21:07,509 --> 01:21:09,679
That's the American way.
1520
01:21:09,761 --> 01:21:12,601
Hey, let me take a moment
to say thank you to all the people
1521
01:21:12,681 --> 01:21:14,181
who've reached out to me.
1522
01:21:14,265 --> 01:21:15,425
Uh… uh…
1523
01:21:15,517 --> 01:21:16,517
My health is good.
1524
01:21:16,601 --> 01:21:19,101
I mean, obviously,
I'm dealing with some issues,
1525
01:21:19,729 --> 01:21:22,319
but, hey, I think I'm just about over it.
1526
01:21:25,860 --> 01:21:28,240
{\an8}We're following some
important breaking news now.
1527
01:21:28,321 --> 01:21:31,741
{\an8}O.J. Simpson has died at the age of 76.
1528
01:21:32,409 --> 01:21:34,909
O.J. Simpson, the former NFL star…
1529
01:21:34,995 --> 01:21:37,865
{\an8}Of course, one of the most
divisive figures in modern America…
1530
01:21:37,956 --> 01:21:39,956
…succumbed to his battle with cancer.
1531
01:21:40,041 --> 01:21:42,631
He was surrounded by
his children and grandchildren…
1532
01:21:45,130 --> 01:21:47,420
[Toobin] When I heard that O.J. died,
1533
01:21:47,507 --> 01:21:51,217
my first thought was,
"He should have died in prison."
1534
01:21:51,302 --> 01:21:55,272
I don't make a habit
of speaking evil of the dead,
1535
01:21:55,348 --> 01:21:57,848
but I made an exception in Simpson's case.
1536
01:21:57,934 --> 01:22:01,734
Because I really think
that he was evil incarnate.
1537
01:22:01,813 --> 01:22:03,023
Good riddance.
1538
01:22:05,316 --> 01:22:09,146
[Gilbert] When he died, it was a shock.
1539
01:22:09,237 --> 01:22:12,737
People say,
"Wow. O.J. totally destroyed your life."
1540
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:15,409
And he didn't.
1541
01:22:15,493 --> 01:22:19,793
He gave me the opportunity
to destroy my own life.
1542
01:22:20,457 --> 01:22:24,087
The fact that our case
still 30 years later
1543
01:22:24,169 --> 01:22:27,459
conjures up so much emotion
and discussion and debate,
1544
01:22:27,547 --> 01:22:31,047
conversations like we've never had before,
I'm grateful for that.
1545
01:22:31,968 --> 01:22:35,428
[Darden] What's the difference
between 1994 and now?
1546
01:22:35,513 --> 01:22:37,353
Not a whole hell of a lot.
1547
01:22:37,932 --> 01:22:41,692
You know, the racial divide
in this country is wider, I think,
1548
01:22:41,770 --> 01:22:44,730
than it was 30 years ago.
1549
01:22:48,610 --> 01:22:50,400
I don't think the issue of race
1550
01:22:50,487 --> 01:22:52,817
is any better than it was 30 years ago.
1551
01:22:52,906 --> 01:22:55,276
- [man 1] What did we do?
- [man 2] Put your hand up there.
1552
01:22:55,950 --> 01:22:58,040
I don't think we've improved at all.
1553
01:22:58,119 --> 01:23:00,119
[explosions]
1554
01:23:00,205 --> 01:23:01,575
[indistinct shouting]
1555
01:23:01,664 --> 01:23:04,834
- [woman] Hands up!
- [all] Don't shoot!
1556
01:23:04,918 --> 01:23:07,168
[Darden] Justice is supposed
to be color-blind.
1557
01:23:07,837 --> 01:23:10,007
But we know
that in real life and in practice
1558
01:23:10,090 --> 01:23:13,590
it isn't always… that way.
1559
01:23:14,552 --> 01:23:16,392
- No, race does matter.
- [camera clicks]
1560
01:23:17,472 --> 01:23:20,142
You can make a career
out of parsing this thing out,
1561
01:23:20,225 --> 01:23:21,725
dissecting it.
1562
01:23:21,810 --> 01:23:22,980
You become a part of it,
1563
01:23:23,853 --> 01:23:25,773
and now you're tainted,
1564
01:23:25,855 --> 01:23:29,025
stained with the goddamn thing
for the rest of your life.
1565
01:23:29,109 --> 01:23:31,109
[solemn music playing]
1566
01:23:35,365 --> 01:23:38,405
I've never done anything since this trial
1567
01:23:38,493 --> 01:23:41,453
that's been worthy
of anything professional
1568
01:23:41,538 --> 01:23:43,248
that I really even care about.
1569
01:23:43,331 --> 01:23:47,541
I've had this burden on me forever.
1570
01:23:47,627 --> 01:23:48,877
I will die with it.
1571
01:23:49,587 --> 01:23:51,417
In my obituary, they'll say,
1572
01:23:51,506 --> 01:23:55,796
"The disgraced racist detective
in the O.J. Simpson case."
1573
01:23:55,885 --> 01:23:58,135
It's just who I have to be.
1574
01:24:05,645 --> 01:24:08,395
I'm convinced that the jury got it right.
1575
01:24:08,982 --> 01:24:14,652
And I'm convinced that members of the LAPD
1576
01:24:14,737 --> 01:24:17,277
did things that were illegal
1577
01:24:17,365 --> 01:24:20,735
to convict someone
whom they thought was guilty.
1578
01:24:21,327 --> 01:24:26,247
So I will sleep well every night,
1579
01:24:26,332 --> 01:24:29,672
like I have for the past 30 years.
1580
01:24:30,295 --> 01:24:35,715
At least as it concerns my work
representing Orenthal James Simpson.
1581
01:24:42,807 --> 01:24:47,147
I think the most constructive thing
people can take away from this case is,
1582
01:24:47,228 --> 01:24:48,938
it's the domestic violence.
1583
01:24:49,814 --> 01:24:51,324
You know, that's the lesson,
1584
01:24:51,399 --> 01:24:55,109
and people need to recognize the symptoms.
1585
01:24:57,447 --> 01:25:00,407
{\an8}I am determined that Nicole's death
was not in vain.
1586
01:25:01,034 --> 01:25:04,504
{\an8}I pledge myself in the fight
against domestic violence,
1587
01:25:04,579 --> 01:25:07,369
and I will continue to expose
this dirty little secret
1588
01:25:07,457 --> 01:25:09,327
that has been hidden too long.
1589
01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:14,379
[Gilbert] What I think bothers me
1590
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:17,130
isn't that I just believed him.
1591
01:25:17,217 --> 01:25:18,677
It's that
1592
01:25:19,260 --> 01:25:21,260
I didn't even give Nicole a voice.
1593
01:25:23,306 --> 01:25:25,266
[sobbing] He's going nuts.
1594
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:28,310
He just drove up again.
Could you just send somebody over?
1595
01:25:28,394 --> 01:25:32,524
He's in a white Bronco, but first of all,
he broke the back door down to get in.
1596
01:25:32,607 --> 01:25:33,647
[Gilbert] She was afraid.
1597
01:25:34,817 --> 01:25:37,277
She was afraid, and she wanted help.
1598
01:25:37,362 --> 01:25:39,572
[Nicole breathing heavily]
1599
01:25:39,656 --> 01:25:42,616
You're going to hear him in a minute.
He's about to come in again.
1600
01:25:43,534 --> 01:25:47,214
It really is painful
to really listen to that
1601
01:25:47,288 --> 01:25:49,118
because that's a terrified person.
1602
01:25:49,749 --> 01:25:53,089
The kids are upstairs sleeping
and I don't want anything to happen.
1603
01:25:54,045 --> 01:25:56,665
[Gilbert] And the more
I thought about it over the years,
1604
01:25:56,756 --> 01:25:58,256
I started thinking "No."
1605
01:25:59,342 --> 01:26:00,302
"No."
1606
01:26:02,345 --> 01:26:03,965
"He went there to kill her."
1607
01:26:06,724 --> 01:26:08,944
In the big scheme of things,
1608
01:26:09,644 --> 01:26:12,734
I think that so many people involved
have sacrificed and compromised
1609
01:26:12,814 --> 01:26:14,904
and lost so much.
1610
01:26:16,609 --> 01:26:18,649
And I feel badly about that.
1611
01:26:19,904 --> 01:26:25,084
It's forever changed all of us
that were impacted, good and bad.
1612
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:29,790
We are one of millions of people
that this happens to.
1613
01:26:31,541 --> 01:26:34,091
But we have
commercialized and sensationalized
1614
01:26:34,168 --> 01:26:35,878
grief and loss and trauma,
1615
01:26:37,422 --> 01:26:40,222
and I'm gonna do whatever I can to try to…
1616
01:26:40,300 --> 01:26:44,720
I can't stop that from happening,
but if I can do anything I can to try to
1617
01:26:44,804 --> 01:26:46,564
teach you how to consume it
1618
01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:50,389
in a way that is
still loving and supportive, um,
1619
01:26:50,476 --> 01:26:53,226
then that's why I'd still do this.
1620
01:26:56,441 --> 01:26:58,441
{\an8}[solemn music continues]
1621
01:27:10,121 --> 01:27:12,121
[music fades out]
1622
01:27:14,917 --> 01:27:17,297
[tense, dramatic music playing]
1623
01:30:11,802 --> 01:30:13,682
[music fades out]