1 00:00:10,177 --> 00:00:12,388 [reporter 1] Four University of Idaho students were found dead 2 00:00:12,471 --> 00:00:14,598 in an off-campus house yesterday morning. 3 00:00:14,682 --> 00:00:17,351 [reporter 2] No suspect. There's nobody in custody right now. 4 00:00:17,435 --> 00:00:19,186 [reporter 3] Classes for University of Idaho students 5 00:00:19,270 --> 00:00:21,564 are canceled for the day. They say they will resume classes… 6 00:00:21,647 --> 00:00:23,941 [Wood] All I know is we are not safe here. 7 00:00:24,567 --> 00:00:29,405 We gotta go as far away from Moscow as possible. 8 00:00:30,865 --> 00:00:34,785 Kids were just piling out of that place as fast as they could get out. 9 00:00:34,869 --> 00:00:37,121 [Berriochoa] I've never felt fear like that in my life. 10 00:00:37,204 --> 00:00:40,708 [Dewitt] I pulled all my guns, hid them around the house. 11 00:00:40,791 --> 00:00:44,003 If it could happen to them, it could happen to anyone. 12 00:00:44,670 --> 00:00:46,547 [reporter 4] At this point, police have only said 13 00:00:46,630 --> 00:00:48,549 that they do not have anyone in custody. 14 00:00:49,258 --> 00:00:53,471 Driving back home, same things kept playing over in my head. 15 00:00:53,554 --> 00:00:55,681 Why would something like this happen? 16 00:00:57,016 --> 00:00:59,268 [Eckles] What if the person that gets arrested 17 00:01:00,686 --> 00:01:02,271 is actually one of our own? 18 00:01:17,828 --> 00:01:20,331 [Karen] Scott and I were in our own little world of grief. 19 00:01:21,707 --> 00:01:25,461 Not to know whether we should be crying or 20 00:01:26,629 --> 00:01:29,215 screaming, or mad. 21 00:01:30,341 --> 00:01:32,176 Just all those emotions… You don't know… 22 00:01:32,259 --> 00:01:33,844 [inhales sharply] You don't know what to do. 23 00:01:38,057 --> 00:01:43,229 And it was every moment of just being on pins and needles 24 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:46,524 because you have no idea why they would… [inhales sharply] 25 00:01:47,483 --> 00:01:49,235 …why they would hurt these children. 26 00:01:49,318 --> 00:01:51,821 Why they would hurt… [breathes shakily] 27 00:01:51,904 --> 00:01:54,824 …my child. Like… [cries] 28 00:01:54,907 --> 00:01:57,910 I mean, I don't have enemies in life, so I'm like… 29 00:01:58,828 --> 00:02:01,664 [stammers] …so you're just stretching your imagination 30 00:02:01,747 --> 00:02:07,044 to think of anything at any time, like, "Why? How does this make any sense?" 31 00:02:07,545 --> 00:02:11,549 That somebody could do this outrageous act… 32 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:15,177 I mean, it… 33 00:02:15,261 --> 00:02:17,179 It's… it's… [stammers] 34 00:02:17,263 --> 00:02:19,515 Something like that is made up and, uh, 35 00:02:19,598 --> 00:02:21,976 it's supposed to be a horror movie or something like that. 36 00:02:22,059 --> 00:02:23,519 This was real life. 37 00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:30,442 [Karen] In the back of your mind, you're like, "Are they stalking us?" 38 00:02:30,526 --> 00:02:33,362 Then every time I heard a sound, 39 00:02:35,281 --> 00:02:36,615 anytime I heard a… 40 00:02:37,283 --> 00:02:42,121 [stammers] …a twig breaking, it absolutely tore the sense of peace… 41 00:02:44,665 --> 00:02:45,833 and security 42 00:02:47,418 --> 00:02:48,502 out of our lives. 43 00:02:59,805 --> 00:03:01,891 [Hunter] Every single night, I'd walk around the house, 44 00:03:01,974 --> 00:03:04,810 and I'd make sure every door is locked, probably three different times, 45 00:03:04,894 --> 00:03:06,812 just because I was so scared to go to bed. 46 00:03:08,230 --> 00:03:09,815 It was just silence 47 00:03:11,025 --> 00:03:16,363 because such a big member of our family just wasn't there anymore. 48 00:03:18,616 --> 00:03:21,952 And we slept, laid in bed, cried. 49 00:03:29,543 --> 00:03:32,046 [Jim] Many, many, many mornings of getting up and… 50 00:03:35,132 --> 00:03:36,800 crying in your coffee. 51 00:03:39,261 --> 00:03:42,848 [Stacy] You know, you're just really questioning how you got to where you were. 52 00:03:42,932 --> 00:03:44,600 How did this happen to our kid? 53 00:03:44,683 --> 00:03:47,186 Somebody that we have spent a lifetime raising. 54 00:03:49,063 --> 00:03:50,898 The phone was ringing. 55 00:03:50,981 --> 00:03:53,525 Our family members were calling. 56 00:03:53,609 --> 00:03:56,195 I mean, just nobody knew what to do. 57 00:03:56,278 --> 00:03:58,489 I mean, you're making plans, and you're… 58 00:03:58,572 --> 00:04:04,703 You know, it happens just so quickly, and, you know, it was insane. 59 00:04:06,872 --> 00:04:09,124 The Moscow Police Department called us every day 60 00:04:09,208 --> 00:04:13,671 and updated us on what they could, which wasn't a lot of information. 61 00:04:13,754 --> 00:04:16,757 And then you have to handle the kids, which is tough. 62 00:04:18,676 --> 00:04:23,847 Hunter Johnson and Emily Alandt showed up, Ethan and Xana's best friends. 63 00:04:25,349 --> 00:04:31,605 Stacy and Jim, they invited us to the cabin, and, honestly, I… 64 00:04:31,689 --> 00:04:33,857 This… The Chapins are unbelievable. 65 00:04:33,941 --> 00:04:37,945 I just got to, like, be with them and, like, escape. 66 00:04:39,238 --> 00:04:42,741 I think I shut off 67 00:04:43,784 --> 00:04:47,287 and tried to push it away as much as possible. 68 00:04:48,872 --> 00:04:55,087 I think that we went to support them and they… Stacy supported us. 69 00:04:55,170 --> 00:04:56,714 [inhales] We just sat. 70 00:04:56,797 --> 00:05:00,801 We just sat and talked through, you know, what had happened. 71 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:07,057 [Alandt] We started thinking about the day before they were killed. 72 00:05:08,142 --> 00:05:12,855 We started putting our brains together on where everybody was at, 73 00:05:12,938 --> 00:05:14,398 what everyone was doing. 74 00:05:19,862 --> 00:05:24,616 In the morning, there was a get-together, shindig at Xana's house. 75 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:27,077 Vandal football this Saturday. 76 00:05:27,161 --> 00:05:28,787 Xana was calling me. "Come over, come over, come over." 77 00:05:29,455 --> 00:05:31,999 So I was at Xana's in the morning to pregame. 78 00:05:32,958 --> 00:05:37,129 [Johnson] It was our core friend group, like, it was Ethan, Xana, it was Dylan, 79 00:05:37,212 --> 00:05:41,508 it was Bethany, Maddie, it was Kayla. Everyone who lived there was there. 80 00:05:42,468 --> 00:05:44,261 [Lauteren] The party just lasted all day. 81 00:05:45,512 --> 00:05:47,473 I was really drunk if I'm gonna be honest. 82 00:05:47,556 --> 00:05:48,932 Uh, but I left my phone there 83 00:05:49,016 --> 00:05:54,021 and Dylan and Maddie both took pictures on my phone of themselves, 84 00:05:54,104 --> 00:05:55,397 like, a million of them. 85 00:05:58,108 --> 00:06:01,445 We took pictures outside 'cause we were all dressed up for game day. 86 00:06:02,029 --> 00:06:03,614 That's when they took that picture. 87 00:06:05,407 --> 00:06:09,620 Kaylee texted me with the picture of Maddie on her shoulders, 88 00:06:09,703 --> 00:06:12,122 that picture that everyone in the media has seen, 89 00:06:12,206 --> 00:06:16,043 and just loving this amazing, happy moment. 90 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:20,714 That weekend, I called Maddie and she put me on FaceTime, 91 00:06:20,798 --> 00:06:23,550 and then I was having a conversation with all of them. 92 00:06:24,551 --> 00:06:27,930 [Lauteren] And then Xana and Ethan left to go to the game. 93 00:06:28,013 --> 00:06:30,307 I think the last thing we said to each other was, "I love you. Bye." 94 00:06:30,390 --> 00:06:31,391 And gave a hug, 95 00:06:32,017 --> 00:06:34,019 and that was the last time I saw them. 96 00:06:38,982 --> 00:06:43,654 [Stacy] Saturday, November 12th, it was a fall formal at Maizie's sorority, 97 00:06:44,530 --> 00:06:47,324 and it was great because our kids were together. 98 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:49,451 I don't usually invite anybody to formals, 99 00:06:49,535 --> 00:06:51,537 but some of Ethan's friends were going. 100 00:06:52,287 --> 00:06:55,624 And he wasn't going, so I was like, "Okay, you can just be my date." 101 00:06:57,251 --> 00:06:58,752 That was super fun. 102 00:06:59,419 --> 00:07:01,505 [Stacy] As a parent, when your kids are off at college, 103 00:07:01,588 --> 00:07:04,675 you check your Life360 and see if everybody's home 104 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:06,343 so that you can sleep well. 105 00:07:07,219 --> 00:07:10,055 It just was a feel-good. Like, "I don't have to worry about the kids tonight." 106 00:07:11,014 --> 00:07:15,269 [Maizie] We left at, like, 9:00 and everybody went back to Sigma Chi. 107 00:07:15,853 --> 00:07:19,356 For some reason, I stayed and went to bed. 108 00:07:19,439 --> 00:07:20,732 [phone chimes] 109 00:07:20,816 --> 00:07:24,403 Ethan kept texting me, "Maizie, come hang out." 110 00:07:26,071 --> 00:07:28,407 I went to sleep, so I wasn't responding to any of them. 111 00:07:28,490 --> 00:07:29,658 [phone chimes] 112 00:07:29,741 --> 00:07:33,245 Last one said, "I love you." 113 00:07:34,163 --> 00:07:38,834 Which was also weird because we don't say that to each other. 114 00:07:41,461 --> 00:07:42,462 Yeah. 115 00:07:46,550 --> 00:07:50,512 [Hunter] After Maizie's formal, we had a party at Sigma Chi, 116 00:07:50,596 --> 00:07:52,264 which we call them "lodge party." 117 00:07:52,347 --> 00:07:55,350 -[chattering, laughing] -[dance music playing] 118 00:07:58,854 --> 00:08:02,524 Went up to the party and then, uh, partied for a bit. 119 00:08:02,608 --> 00:08:04,359 [partygoers exclaiming] 120 00:08:09,364 --> 00:08:13,368 [Lauteren] I don't know who was at Sigma Chi because I didn't make it 121 00:08:13,994 --> 00:08:16,246 because I went to bed at 9:00. [chuckles] 122 00:08:16,330 --> 00:08:18,081 I was like, "Oh, there'll be another party." 123 00:08:18,165 --> 00:08:21,418 Like, there's always another party. 124 00:08:25,339 --> 00:08:28,258 Me, Ethan and Xana were in my room in the fraternity, 125 00:08:28,926 --> 00:08:31,428 and then they went back to Xana's house. 126 00:08:32,596 --> 00:08:35,224 [Berriochoa] On the night of November 12th, 127 00:08:35,307 --> 00:08:37,434 I was a sober bro. 128 00:08:37,517 --> 00:08:39,394 I volunteered to be sober that night 129 00:08:39,478 --> 00:08:43,649 so that anybody who needed a ride anywhere could get one. 130 00:08:43,732 --> 00:08:46,443 I was just kind of popping in and out of different locations, 131 00:08:46,526 --> 00:08:48,737 seeing if anybody needed anything. 132 00:08:49,863 --> 00:08:53,951 The last time I saw Xana, she was on her way out of Sigma Chi, 133 00:08:54,868 --> 00:08:57,829 and she was like, "You never come hang out at my place. 134 00:08:57,913 --> 00:08:59,539 You gotta come over more often." 135 00:08:59,623 --> 00:09:01,458 That was one of my biggest regrets. 136 00:09:01,959 --> 00:09:04,962 I never got the chance to just because of the… 137 00:09:05,045 --> 00:09:06,630 the way I took it for granted. 138 00:09:08,173 --> 00:09:10,676 [Alandt] We knew that Kaylee and Maddie were at the Corner Club, 139 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:13,428 which is pretty much our only bar in Moscow. 140 00:09:15,013 --> 00:09:16,765 We knew that they were coming home late. 141 00:09:18,517 --> 00:09:22,813 Was there anybody random at the Corner Club that we didn't know? 142 00:09:23,730 --> 00:09:26,525 Was anybody targeted at the Sigma Chi party? 143 00:09:27,484 --> 00:09:31,071 We just wanted to know, like, who did this? Like, why did this happen? 144 00:09:31,154 --> 00:09:33,156 [bell tolls] 145 00:09:39,705 --> 00:09:43,375 [Dewitt] I write for the student newspaper for University of Idaho. 146 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:46,920 A lot of students weren't feeling safe. 147 00:09:47,713 --> 00:09:50,924 And because I'm local, 148 00:09:51,008 --> 00:09:56,013 because I personally knew Xana since elementary school, 149 00:09:56,096 --> 00:10:01,935 I got the sense of the gravity behind the tragedy, 150 00:10:02,519 --> 00:10:07,441 where a lot of news people kind of lose their humanity 151 00:10:07,524 --> 00:10:12,154 around things like this because, you know, it's just another story. 152 00:10:14,281 --> 00:10:17,451 These four people touched so many students 153 00:10:18,327 --> 00:10:19,870 and so many people knew them. 154 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,207 [reporter] This is Northwest Public Broadcasting. 155 00:10:24,291 --> 00:10:26,710 Today we have Lauren Paterson here in the studio 156 00:10:26,793 --> 00:10:30,213 to talk about what has happened in the Moscow homicides case. 157 00:10:30,297 --> 00:10:32,674 -Welcome, Lauren. -[Paterson] Thanks for having me. 158 00:10:33,675 --> 00:10:37,054 I'm one of two reporters for Northwest Public Broadcasting 159 00:10:37,137 --> 00:10:39,639 that covers stories in North Idaho. 160 00:10:40,140 --> 00:10:43,185 I actually had never reported on a crime before 161 00:10:43,268 --> 00:10:45,062 until this happened. 162 00:10:45,145 --> 00:10:49,191 We focus a lot on arts and culture stories or agricultural policy 163 00:10:49,274 --> 00:10:50,609 because the crime rate is low. 164 00:10:51,735 --> 00:10:56,823 As a local, as a Moscow resident, as a University of Idaho alumni, 165 00:10:56,907 --> 00:10:59,493 I wanted to get answers for the community. 166 00:11:01,161 --> 00:11:03,747 Monday morning, all that we knew by that point 167 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:06,500 was that four people were dead. 168 00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:10,170 I mean, people were panicking. People were really fearful. 169 00:11:12,964 --> 00:11:16,593 [Epperly] I was the reporter on scene for The Spokesman-Review. 170 00:11:16,676 --> 00:11:19,679 I cover a lot of court cases and crime. 171 00:11:20,222 --> 00:11:22,766 My first instinct was to get into town and see the house, 172 00:11:24,393 --> 00:11:28,897 and then to call the police to see what they could tell me. 173 00:11:30,399 --> 00:11:34,111 I get there, there's crime scene tape in front of the house, 174 00:11:34,194 --> 00:11:38,323 other reporters there and we all have questions. 175 00:11:38,407 --> 00:11:41,410 "Who are these students? What happened? How did they die?" 176 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,791 Among us reporters, we were trying to think through all the possibilities. 177 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:49,376 Who can we call? 178 00:11:49,459 --> 00:11:50,919 Who is gonna give us information? 179 00:11:53,296 --> 00:11:56,049 That first day, Moscow police put out, like, a statement, 180 00:11:57,175 --> 00:11:59,177 but there was very little information. 181 00:11:59,803 --> 00:12:03,140 On Tuesday, I was finally able to get ahold of police 182 00:12:03,223 --> 00:12:05,434 and I started asking some questions, 183 00:12:05,517 --> 00:12:07,519 and they said, "You're gonna have to refer to our statement." 184 00:12:07,602 --> 00:12:09,604 And I said, "So you're not taking questions?" 185 00:12:10,355 --> 00:12:12,566 And he said, "No, we're taking questions." 186 00:12:12,649 --> 00:12:14,568 And I said, "But you're just not answering them." 187 00:12:16,403 --> 00:12:20,323 In larger police departments, you have a public information officer 188 00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:22,576 who's assigned to talk to the press. 189 00:12:22,659 --> 00:12:26,121 In Moscow, nothing like this ever happens, 190 00:12:26,204 --> 00:12:28,999 so they just assigned it to one of the cops. 191 00:12:30,167 --> 00:12:32,252 I'm like, "Look, we gotta know what's going on. 192 00:12:32,335 --> 00:12:33,587 Can I come down? Can I do an interview?" 193 00:12:33,670 --> 00:12:36,506 And he's like, "Oh, we're not doing interviews with the press." 194 00:12:37,382 --> 00:12:40,802 I was shocked. I was like, "How could they not tell us what's going on?" 195 00:12:40,886 --> 00:12:44,890 We were getting such little information that it created this chasm 196 00:12:44,973 --> 00:12:49,519 where rumors and speculation just started to fill the silence 197 00:12:49,603 --> 00:12:51,354 from the police department. 198 00:12:53,315 --> 00:12:55,734 [phones chime] 199 00:12:58,153 --> 00:12:59,321 Students told other students, 200 00:12:59,404 --> 00:13:01,406 and then that filtered in through the town. 201 00:13:04,534 --> 00:13:08,330 People start texting and talking and like, "Oh, my gosh. Did you hear? 202 00:13:08,997 --> 00:13:10,248 What's going on? 203 00:13:11,082 --> 00:13:12,209 What happened?" 204 00:13:13,376 --> 00:13:16,588 [Couch] I had previously lived in the King Road house, 205 00:13:16,671 --> 00:13:20,300 and a lot of people were saying that it was the party house, 206 00:13:20,967 --> 00:13:23,136 that it was just an open-door policy. 207 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,138 People could just walk in and out. 208 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:27,265 I think that's absolutely not true. 209 00:13:27,349 --> 00:13:29,351 That house was a safe space for us. 210 00:13:29,434 --> 00:13:32,771 People think that it was a drug house, that they got murdered 'cause of drugs. 211 00:13:32,854 --> 00:13:33,855 And I'm like, "What?" 212 00:13:33,939 --> 00:13:35,732 People said they were doing drugs out of there, 213 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:38,568 like, selling drugs out of there, so it was a drug dealer that came. 214 00:13:38,652 --> 00:13:39,945 Like, we didn't do drugs. 215 00:13:40,028 --> 00:13:41,112 [phone chimes] 216 00:13:41,196 --> 00:13:42,739 [Paterson] I was hearing rumors like, 217 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:46,159 "Maybe it was someone who was just in town for the game that weekend." 218 00:13:46,243 --> 00:13:48,245 [Berriochoa] There was rumors of a robbery gone wrong. 219 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:52,040 [Epperly] That Ethan brought drugs to the house, and they'd all overdosed. 220 00:13:52,624 --> 00:13:53,750 [Stacy] At one point, we were like, 221 00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:56,002 "Okay, Maizie and Hunter, be straight with us. 222 00:13:56,628 --> 00:13:58,296 Is there something that you know about your brother 223 00:13:58,380 --> 00:14:01,925 that's gonna come forward here that we don't know that we need to know?" 224 00:14:02,008 --> 00:14:04,010 And they were like, "Nope. No." 225 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:06,555 They were people we knew. 226 00:14:06,638 --> 00:14:09,766 So we were like, "That's not possible. That's not possible. That's not possible." 227 00:14:13,228 --> 00:14:16,815 [Epperly] Pretty quickly, there were dozens of reporters in Moscow. 228 00:14:16,898 --> 00:14:20,777 I got here on Sunday, the day after the attack, 229 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:22,946 and there was just local media. 230 00:14:23,738 --> 00:14:27,659 And by Tuesday, there was dozens of people from all over the country. 231 00:14:28,785 --> 00:14:30,495 I mean, there were national media outlets here 232 00:14:30,579 --> 00:14:32,831 before there was even a press conference. 233 00:14:32,914 --> 00:14:36,418 Before we knew anything about how they died. 234 00:14:37,502 --> 00:14:38,962 [reporter] According to residents in Moscow, 235 00:14:39,045 --> 00:14:41,756 some people related to the case have been harassed 236 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,384 and even followed home by national correspondents. 237 00:14:45,010 --> 00:14:47,178 It was like, "Hey, I'm so-and-so from the New York Times. 238 00:14:47,262 --> 00:14:49,014 I'm from CNN. I'm from MSNBC." 239 00:14:49,097 --> 00:14:51,474 I'm just like, "Why are they here? 240 00:14:51,558 --> 00:14:53,602 Why do they care what's going on in Moscow, Idaho?" 241 00:14:53,685 --> 00:14:55,520 It was just a media circus. 242 00:14:55,604 --> 00:14:58,273 Does anyone know where they were during that timeline? 243 00:14:58,356 --> 00:15:00,317 Like, there's still this big chunk where… 244 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,821 Um, as of right now, we've told Moscow PD, Idaho State Police 245 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:06,197 and the FBI all we know. 246 00:15:06,281 --> 00:15:08,700 Um, but that's all I really wanna talk about right now 247 00:15:08,783 --> 00:15:10,869 'cause I actually have class here in, like, 15 minutes. 248 00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:14,331 [Dewitt] Reporters trying to reach out to friends, 249 00:15:14,414 --> 00:15:19,294 like, a week after their friends or family had died. 250 00:15:19,878 --> 00:15:23,965 [Paterson] And then they started, like, going after the victims' families. 251 00:15:24,049 --> 00:15:30,430 And my phone just kept going off and it was all these weird phone numbers. 252 00:15:30,513 --> 00:15:33,975 And, I mean, there must have been six or eight calls within 15 minutes. 253 00:15:34,059 --> 00:15:35,769 Everybody, you name it. 254 00:15:35,852 --> 00:15:39,731 I mean, there were people that slid into the kids' DMs on their social media. 255 00:15:40,357 --> 00:15:46,071 I probably had 20 calls a day from the top news reporters in the nation. 256 00:15:47,781 --> 00:15:49,407 [Karen] I got out to check the mail, 257 00:15:50,492 --> 00:15:52,118 and I made it halfway across the street, 258 00:15:52,202 --> 00:15:54,371 and two people got out of this car 259 00:15:55,413 --> 00:15:57,791 and they were like, "Ma'am." 260 00:15:57,874 --> 00:16:00,710 They didn't know my name, which was enough of an insult. 261 00:16:01,252 --> 00:16:04,506 They were like, "Ma'am. Ma'am, can we talk about this situation?" 262 00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:07,884 And I just ran to the door. 263 00:16:08,551 --> 00:16:10,929 I'm like, "I don't wanna talk to you." 264 00:16:11,513 --> 00:16:13,264 Just out of control. 265 00:16:13,348 --> 00:16:16,434 We were just rattled, just unnerved. 266 00:16:17,018 --> 00:16:18,728 We were afraid to leave the house. 267 00:16:18,812 --> 00:16:21,690 They wanted to have an interview. They wanted us to be on immediately. 268 00:16:21,773 --> 00:16:23,608 Well, we didn't know anything, I mean… 269 00:16:23,692 --> 00:16:26,444 [stammers] And you really don't wanna talk to anybody. 270 00:16:26,528 --> 00:16:29,948 I mean, I… You can't even make sense of it in your own head. 271 00:16:30,031 --> 00:16:32,450 Why would you try to explain it to-to somebody else? 272 00:16:33,284 --> 00:16:35,620 It's like, "Okay… [chuckles] 273 00:16:35,704 --> 00:16:38,456 …you don't need to use me to get views for your news station." 274 00:16:38,540 --> 00:16:39,666 [chuckles] 275 00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:47,465 I don't know. That whole stuff kind of pissed me off a little bit. 276 00:16:49,259 --> 00:16:50,593 [Karen] I'm a mom. 277 00:16:50,677 --> 00:16:52,011 We have a simple life. 278 00:16:53,555 --> 00:16:55,932 To, all of a sudden, be thrown into the spotlight, 279 00:16:56,433 --> 00:17:00,353 it just felt very much like my quiet, private house 280 00:17:00,437 --> 00:17:03,022 was now the nation's attention. 281 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:07,694 Terrifying. 282 00:17:07,777 --> 00:17:11,406 The University of Idaho has been shaken up by the deaths of four students. 283 00:17:11,489 --> 00:17:14,826 There's still no suspect in custody and more questions than answers. 284 00:17:14,909 --> 00:17:17,328 [reporter] The lack of official information from police 285 00:17:17,412 --> 00:17:20,039 is leading to a lot of fear on campus. 286 00:17:20,123 --> 00:17:22,625 Parents are calling, angry, wanting some answers. 287 00:17:26,296 --> 00:17:30,633 [Eckles] I've been in higher education for coming on 30 years now. 288 00:17:31,593 --> 00:17:33,595 You never get trained for something like this. 289 00:17:33,678 --> 00:17:35,096 You're never prepared. 290 00:17:35,764 --> 00:17:37,599 But this crime in particular, 291 00:17:37,682 --> 00:17:40,727 the nature of it, really struck at the core horror 292 00:17:40,810 --> 00:17:42,645 of what people think and worry about. 293 00:17:44,355 --> 00:17:47,650 [Bettge] In Moscow, major crime does not happen. 294 00:17:47,734 --> 00:17:48,943 It just doesn't. 295 00:17:49,486 --> 00:17:52,489 The last time Moscow had any kind of a homicide 296 00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:54,199 was seven or eight years prior, 297 00:17:55,074 --> 00:17:59,078 so our police plan for talking with the public 298 00:17:59,162 --> 00:18:03,458 about major crimes was woefully deficient. 299 00:18:04,042 --> 00:18:05,335 We had no plan. 300 00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:07,754 For the first three days, 301 00:18:07,837 --> 00:18:12,467 it was the mayor trying to talk with the news media 302 00:18:12,550 --> 00:18:13,718 about what went on. 303 00:18:13,802 --> 00:18:18,431 I feel very badly for the victims and everybody else who's a friend 304 00:18:18,515 --> 00:18:20,767 and associate with those people. 305 00:18:20,850 --> 00:18:22,519 This is stuff that shouldn't happen, 306 00:18:22,602 --> 00:18:25,522 especially in a small, quiet town like Moscow is. 307 00:18:25,605 --> 00:18:29,818 I don't know how I got to be the point guy for the media, 308 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:33,071 but that's part of the mayor's job, I suppose, 309 00:18:33,154 --> 00:18:36,407 even when you don't have any information to relay. 310 00:18:36,491 --> 00:18:39,494 Mayor, how do you know this was an isolated incident? 311 00:18:39,577 --> 00:18:41,704 [Bettge] The police have been doing their work. 312 00:18:41,788 --> 00:18:46,000 They believe this was a singular, targeted incident. 313 00:18:46,084 --> 00:18:49,170 And no one else is in any jeopardy. 314 00:18:49,254 --> 00:18:50,255 [anchor] How do they know that? 315 00:18:50,338 --> 00:18:53,299 Because there's a killer of these four individuals 316 00:18:53,383 --> 00:18:55,760 who is out there somewhere, correct? 317 00:18:55,844 --> 00:18:56,845 [Bettge] Yeah. 318 00:18:57,387 --> 00:19:00,306 [reporter] We are two full days after this horrific incident 319 00:19:00,390 --> 00:19:03,685 just off campus and still no news conference from the police. 320 00:19:04,477 --> 00:19:09,566 I don't think any of these people are being malicious. 321 00:19:09,649 --> 00:19:12,402 They've never had to deal with anything like this in their lives. 322 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:16,573 And, you know, I don't know how you could be prepared 323 00:19:16,656 --> 00:19:19,659 in such a small town for this level of crime 324 00:19:19,742 --> 00:19:21,452 and for this level of attention. 325 00:19:21,536 --> 00:19:23,162 It's been three days. 326 00:19:23,246 --> 00:19:24,956 Get me off the stage. 327 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:29,419 Put a badge behind a microphone, please. 328 00:19:39,846 --> 00:19:42,807 My name is Chief James Fry with the Moscow Police Department. 329 00:19:42,891 --> 00:19:44,517 I'm gonna be reading from my notes today 330 00:19:44,601 --> 00:19:48,187 'cause I want the information you receive to be extremely accurate. 331 00:19:49,272 --> 00:19:52,275 We know you have questions, and so do we. 332 00:19:52,942 --> 00:19:56,738 The Moscow Police Department would like to extend our condolences 333 00:19:56,821 --> 00:19:59,574 to all family members, friends, 334 00:19:59,657 --> 00:20:02,744 the University of Idaho and the Moscow community. 335 00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:06,247 Um, I probably should have been standing here a day or so ago, 336 00:20:06,331 --> 00:20:08,499 but I'm here now, we're gonna continue to be here. 337 00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:11,127 We're gonna continue to give you the information we can. 338 00:20:11,210 --> 00:20:14,172 Um, we care about this community. I care about this community. 339 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,468 The facts of the case that we know right now. 340 00:20:19,385 --> 00:20:23,014 We know that these homicides occurred in the early morning hours 341 00:20:23,097 --> 00:20:27,101 of Sunday, November 13th, inside the residence on King Road. 342 00:20:29,562 --> 00:20:31,230 The four were stabbed with a knife, 343 00:20:31,314 --> 00:20:33,983 but no weapon has been located at this time. 344 00:20:34,817 --> 00:20:38,488 The Moscow police confirmed that these were homicides, 345 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:40,406 and the manner of death was stabbing. 346 00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:43,743 And a stabbing is a very intimate crime, 347 00:20:43,826 --> 00:20:49,457 so there's something especially egregious and sinister about the way this was done. 348 00:20:50,708 --> 00:20:52,919 [Karen] I got a phone call from the officer, 349 00:20:53,002 --> 00:20:55,672 and he said, "Well, the only thing that we know thus far 350 00:20:55,755 --> 00:20:58,549 that we can tell you, is that it was with a sharp object." 351 00:21:01,219 --> 00:21:03,054 [cries] 352 00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:06,182 Which, of course, you know what that means. 353 00:21:06,265 --> 00:21:08,393 I'm like… [breathes shakily] "So you're saying… 354 00:21:09,519 --> 00:21:11,437 You're saying they were stabbed?" 355 00:21:13,189 --> 00:21:16,109 [Wood] I paint this picture of what I thought, 356 00:21:16,693 --> 00:21:20,488 what I feel like that morning looked like inside that house. 357 00:21:20,571 --> 00:21:24,575 And it's unfortunate, because every time I close my eyes, I see that image. 358 00:21:25,076 --> 00:21:27,120 I see the blood dripping outside of the house. 359 00:21:28,496 --> 00:21:30,498 That's just engraved in my brain. 360 00:21:31,874 --> 00:21:35,670 It's overwhelming to have that kind of imagery in your mind. 361 00:21:37,672 --> 00:21:42,510 It's just so horrible to think about and especially in that way. 362 00:21:42,593 --> 00:21:44,429 And how much I know that they suffered. 363 00:21:45,346 --> 00:21:46,681 That really hurt. 364 00:21:46,764 --> 00:21:53,062 You know, it's like… [stammers] …what the hell is this psychopath? 365 00:21:53,146 --> 00:21:55,898 You know, to do that. 366 00:21:55,982 --> 00:21:57,400 There's still a-a person out there 367 00:21:57,483 --> 00:22:00,111 who committed four horrible, horrible crimes. 368 00:22:00,194 --> 00:22:06,034 So I think we got to go back to, um, th-there is a threat out there still. 369 00:22:06,117 --> 00:22:07,410 Possibly. We don't know. 370 00:22:07,493 --> 00:22:10,038 We don't believe it's gonna be to anybody else. 371 00:22:10,121 --> 00:22:13,332 But we all have to be, um, aware of our surroundings 372 00:22:13,416 --> 00:22:15,710 and make sure that we're watching out for each other. 373 00:22:15,793 --> 00:22:19,297 I'm going to open it up to some questions, um, that I'm sure you have, 374 00:22:19,380 --> 00:22:22,592 and we'll do the best we can to, uh, answer those for you. 375 00:22:22,675 --> 00:22:24,135 I'm Emma Epperly with The Spokesman-Review. 376 00:22:24,218 --> 00:22:25,053 -Hi. -Hi. 377 00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:28,598 Um, so there were other, uh, roommates who lived at that… at that residence. 378 00:22:28,681 --> 00:22:30,683 Um, were the roommates home at the time of the attack? 379 00:22:30,767 --> 00:22:33,061 [Fry] There was other people home at that time. 380 00:22:33,144 --> 00:22:36,064 But we're not just focusing just on them. 381 00:22:36,147 --> 00:22:38,566 We're focusing on everybody that, uh, 382 00:22:38,649 --> 00:22:40,735 may be coming and going from that residence. 383 00:22:40,818 --> 00:22:43,404 [Epperly] So, since they were home, was it a hostage situation? 384 00:22:44,614 --> 00:22:45,782 No, it was not. 385 00:22:45,865 --> 00:22:47,658 Just a follow-up on what she asked. 386 00:22:47,742 --> 00:22:50,286 So you have surviving witnesses 387 00:22:50,369 --> 00:22:51,954 to an incident at 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning 388 00:22:52,038 --> 00:22:53,748 and the 911 call didn't come until noon? 389 00:22:53,831 --> 00:22:55,374 I don't think I ever said that they were witnesses. 390 00:22:55,458 --> 00:22:56,584 I said they were there. 391 00:22:56,667 --> 00:22:59,587 We don't know why that call came in at noon. 392 00:22:59,670 --> 00:23:01,297 That's why we're investigating everything still 393 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:02,924 to try to pull all the pieces together. 394 00:23:03,007 --> 00:23:07,095 And are you able to tell whether the same weapon was used on all four victims? 395 00:23:07,595 --> 00:23:09,263 [Fry] You know, the autopsy will confirm that 396 00:23:09,347 --> 00:23:11,849 and, hopefully, collect some evidence for us. 397 00:23:11,933 --> 00:23:13,142 That's what you do, um, 398 00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:16,479 the autopsies, is to try to be thorough and try to gather more. 399 00:23:16,562 --> 00:23:18,189 So, um, we'll leave that. 400 00:23:18,272 --> 00:23:20,691 That-That-That would probably be something that would come out later. 401 00:23:21,192 --> 00:23:22,193 Thank you again for coming. 402 00:23:22,276 --> 00:23:24,570 That's going to be all the questions we take at this time. 403 00:23:24,654 --> 00:23:28,658 We want to reassure the, uh, community, that, um, the Moscow Police Department 404 00:23:28,741 --> 00:23:31,244 and everybody working on this will do everything we can to solve this. 405 00:23:31,327 --> 00:23:32,328 Thank you. 406 00:23:44,006 --> 00:23:45,758 [reporter] We're just getting some breaking news 407 00:23:45,842 --> 00:23:49,178 in the case of those four college students who were murdered in Idaho. 408 00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:51,556 The autopsy report was just released 409 00:23:51,639 --> 00:23:55,143 and reveals that the killer likely used the same large knife 410 00:23:55,226 --> 00:23:56,936 to attack all four students. 411 00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:58,646 CBS spoke with the coroner, 412 00:23:58,729 --> 00:24:01,399 who says the nature of the crime seems personal. 413 00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:04,986 There was a lot of blood. It was a very sad scene. 414 00:24:05,069 --> 00:24:06,612 [interviewer] Were the deceased all in 415 00:24:06,696 --> 00:24:07,864 in close proximity to each other, 416 00:24:07,947 --> 00:24:09,031 or were they in different 417 00:24:09,115 --> 00:24:09,949 rooms? 418 00:24:10,032 --> 00:24:14,871 Um, I don't know that I can discuss that. 419 00:24:18,124 --> 00:24:19,959 [Johnson] We're like, do we know the person? 420 00:24:20,751 --> 00:24:24,338 This would cause a lot of stress for us if it… we did know the person. 421 00:24:25,464 --> 00:24:27,800 [Alandt] We started monitoring social media. 422 00:24:28,801 --> 00:24:34,307 We put all of our knowledge together to try to figure out who did it and why. 423 00:24:37,101 --> 00:24:40,146 And then someone sent me the Grub Truck video. 424 00:24:41,522 --> 00:24:43,733 [reporter] If you've ever been out on Moscow's Main Street 425 00:24:43,816 --> 00:24:46,277 past 10:00 on any given night, 426 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,571 you've probably seen this yellow truck. 427 00:24:49,238 --> 00:24:52,950 [Alandt] Grub Truck is the only food source open in Moscow 428 00:24:53,034 --> 00:24:54,493 past, I think, midnight. 429 00:24:54,577 --> 00:24:56,787 They live feed everything, 430 00:24:56,871 --> 00:24:59,874 and you can watch the live feed just if you're bored. 431 00:25:00,458 --> 00:25:01,375 -Hello? -[Goncalves] Hi. 432 00:25:01,459 --> 00:25:04,545 I think I would like the, um… 433 00:25:05,588 --> 00:25:07,673 [Paterson] And people found this little segment 434 00:25:07,757 --> 00:25:09,926 where Maddie and Kaylee were ordering 435 00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:12,428 in the early morning hours of November 13th. 436 00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:17,892 [Alandt] In the video, you can see Kaylee and Maddie ordered their food. 437 00:25:17,975 --> 00:25:20,603 [Epperly] There are quite a few people kind of milling around, 438 00:25:20,686 --> 00:25:23,981 and there's a man in a hoodie that's kind of behind them, 439 00:25:24,065 --> 00:25:25,775 also seems to be waiting for food. 440 00:25:27,109 --> 00:25:29,278 [Paterson] The girls take their food and they leave, 441 00:25:30,404 --> 00:25:33,991 and he's seen on camera kind of going in the same direction. 442 00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:37,286 [Maizie] I just remember watching that video and being like, 443 00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:41,040 "That guy looks really suspicious." 444 00:25:41,791 --> 00:25:44,126 [Paterson] And then this footage goes viral. 445 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:45,836 [reporter] The county prosecutor and police 446 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,546 say they're combing through the video, 447 00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:50,591 trying to identify people with whom they may have come in contact. 448 00:25:50,675 --> 00:25:54,512 There were thousands of posts on TikTok and Twitter. 449 00:25:54,595 --> 00:25:56,555 [cyber sleuth 1] One of the first people that caught my attention 450 00:25:56,639 --> 00:25:59,141 is the guy in the food truck video with the hoodie. 451 00:25:59,850 --> 00:26:01,769 I do think it could have been the food truck guy. 452 00:26:01,852 --> 00:26:05,815 At the food truck, Maddie at some point says, "F you" to him. 453 00:26:05,898 --> 00:26:07,316 [cyber sleuth 2] You can tell these girls, 454 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,277 they didn't want nothing to do with this guy. 455 00:26:10,361 --> 00:26:11,904 [Alandt] We're, like, we know who that is. 456 00:26:12,738 --> 00:26:14,740 That's a familiar face. 457 00:26:14,824 --> 00:26:16,575 Why is he being so sus? 458 00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:20,162 He was part of Greek life at University of Idaho. 459 00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:23,541 [Lauteren] My boyfriend knew him. 460 00:26:24,875 --> 00:26:26,419 We were like, "Oh, could he have done it?" 461 00:26:26,502 --> 00:26:29,463 Like… Like, going through, like, what we know about him. 462 00:26:29,547 --> 00:26:31,882 I remember calling the police and being, like, 463 00:26:31,966 --> 00:26:34,135 "I'm giving this information to use if you need it." 464 00:26:34,969 --> 00:26:38,556 And then the case really spread in the true crime community. 465 00:26:38,639 --> 00:26:41,475 People were able to find his identity pretty quickly 466 00:26:41,559 --> 00:26:43,602 and started naming him publicly. 467 00:26:48,441 --> 00:26:52,278 This guy had been bumping into Kaylee in public a lot. 468 00:26:52,361 --> 00:26:55,740 Allegedly, he actually knew the girls. 469 00:26:55,823 --> 00:26:59,827 There's video surveillance showing Maddie and Kaylee in the Corner Club bar 470 00:26:59,910 --> 00:27:01,162 the night that they were murdered. 471 00:27:01,245 --> 00:27:04,498 You can see the hoodie guy standing near the girls. 472 00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:07,710 [Paterson] Facebook groups are popping up. Reddit groups are popping up. 473 00:27:07,793 --> 00:27:09,462 TikTokers. 474 00:27:09,545 --> 00:27:12,965 People are just going nuts trying to "solve" this crime 475 00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:16,344 while the police are doing the investigation. 476 00:27:16,427 --> 00:27:21,891 [cyber sleuth 3] The fraternity where Xana and Madison were members of. 477 00:27:22,391 --> 00:27:24,643 [Eckles] The nonprofessional journalists. 478 00:27:24,727 --> 00:27:26,896 They're not media, they're just lookie-loos 479 00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:29,106 trying to gather information to tell a story 480 00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:30,733 that they think is relevant for them. 481 00:27:30,816 --> 00:27:32,526 There was, like, YouTubers, 482 00:27:32,610 --> 00:27:35,613 like, sleuths that would, like, go through the entire case. 483 00:27:36,697 --> 00:27:38,574 [cyber sleuth 4] How long would it take to get those records? 484 00:27:40,284 --> 00:27:42,286 [Dewitt] They threw ethics out the window. 485 00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:44,372 They, like, dressed up as students 486 00:27:44,455 --> 00:27:49,126 and went into the dorms to try and find information. 487 00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:50,378 [cyber sleuth 5] See this? 488 00:27:51,754 --> 00:27:55,383 [Lauteren] They got ahold of so many pictures and videos on social media. 489 00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:57,968 We all posted our lives together. 490 00:27:58,052 --> 00:28:00,554 Pictures hanging out, pictures at that house. 491 00:28:00,638 --> 00:28:05,476 There's usually not that many pictures of a crime scene on social media. 492 00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:11,107 [cyber sleuth 6] So here's the living room and we're gonna go into Xana's bedroom. 493 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:12,274 [Maizie] I was pretty bad about it. 494 00:28:12,358 --> 00:28:15,569 I was on my TikTok for, like, hours every day. 495 00:28:15,653 --> 00:28:17,738 Like, looking at everything. 496 00:28:17,822 --> 00:28:21,742 There is only one spot in that backyard that is dark enough 497 00:28:21,826 --> 00:28:23,619 that somebody could have gotten into. 498 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:27,915 And the spot was that window that's missing the screen 499 00:28:28,416 --> 00:28:31,001 and had the cinder block underneath it. 500 00:28:31,502 --> 00:28:32,545 [Maizie] That was crazy. 501 00:28:32,628 --> 00:28:34,547 I think I was still in, like, denial, 502 00:28:35,047 --> 00:28:37,758 but, like, seeing everything all over social media. 503 00:28:38,884 --> 00:28:41,512 [stammers] That was… that was hard. 504 00:28:42,596 --> 00:28:44,265 [Alandt] There was one particular guy, 505 00:28:45,141 --> 00:28:49,854 he started making YouTube videos and he started showing up places. 506 00:28:50,813 --> 00:28:51,897 Who is that guy? 507 00:28:53,566 --> 00:28:56,235 Who is that guy? Who's gonna answer the door? 508 00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:58,988 [Eckles] We had students going into hiding 509 00:28:59,071 --> 00:29:03,033 as a result of that incessant hounding from these horrible people 510 00:29:03,117 --> 00:29:05,911 that were just trying to do it for their own gain and benefit. 511 00:29:12,460 --> 00:29:13,461 I'm here. 512 00:29:13,544 --> 00:29:15,713 They have the E-X, 513 00:29:15,796 --> 00:29:20,593 a lot of people are saying it's symbolism with Ethan and Xana. 514 00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:22,970 Sigma Chi. 515 00:29:23,512 --> 00:29:27,516 There was rumors about one of the Sigma Chis could have done it, 516 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,685 like, followed them home from the Sigma Chi party 517 00:29:30,227 --> 00:29:31,729 that was happening that night. 518 00:29:33,272 --> 00:29:36,192 And I think people had targeted me specifically 519 00:29:36,275 --> 00:29:40,696 because I did have a lot of, kind of, public information out there 520 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,199 on social media, my Facebook and my TikTok. 521 00:29:44,158 --> 00:29:46,869 It came like a freight train out of nowhere. 522 00:29:46,952 --> 00:29:49,497 My Facebook inbox was full of just the worst, 523 00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:51,332 most heinous things I have ever read. 524 00:29:52,791 --> 00:29:58,547 People said I had conspired to commit this murder from high school. 525 00:29:59,465 --> 00:30:02,676 Somebody had sent a photo of my house, 526 00:30:04,386 --> 00:30:08,641 the cars that we drove, the places of employment of my parents. 527 00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:12,102 Now people know my address and saying I have something to do with it. 528 00:30:12,186 --> 00:30:17,107 I was once again fearing for my life, but for a completely different reason. 529 00:30:18,150 --> 00:30:20,653 Um, we're talking the Idaho Four case. 530 00:30:20,736 --> 00:30:26,408 We're talking about potential mystery man that was, um, at the house twice. 531 00:30:26,492 --> 00:30:30,287 Youtubers found out we got a lot of noise complaints at Xana's house. 532 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:33,707 So there was a police video of Hunter Johnson going to the door. 533 00:30:34,708 --> 00:30:37,711 He has some zip ties around his… his wrist. 534 00:30:38,337 --> 00:30:39,630 What do you guys think? 535 00:30:39,713 --> 00:30:42,424 A lot of people have just suggested it's like a drinking game. 536 00:30:42,508 --> 00:30:45,636 If you guys know who this gentleman is? Please hit us up. 537 00:30:46,387 --> 00:30:47,763 [Johnson] Wrist tie guy. 538 00:30:47,846 --> 00:30:49,890 That was my name there for a little bit. 539 00:30:49,974 --> 00:30:52,977 We play a game called Champagne and Shackles. 540 00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:58,649 You zip tie together until each of you finished your champagne ultimately. 541 00:30:59,233 --> 00:31:00,651 [Johnson] That's how it all began. 542 00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:04,405 [cyber sleuth 1] Sources are claiming that Ethan Chapin's best friend, 543 00:31:04,488 --> 00:31:07,616 who was there and preventing the other friends from entering the room. 544 00:31:07,700 --> 00:31:11,870 He checked Ethan's pulse and he was the one to call 911. 545 00:31:15,082 --> 00:31:17,918 [Alandt] There was a lot of people commenting on social media, 546 00:31:19,086 --> 00:31:22,756 just, like, "I know what you did." Like, "We're gonna come find you." 547 00:31:23,549 --> 00:31:27,511 [cyber sleuth 2] Found some stuff about H.J. And then this Emily girl. 548 00:31:27,595 --> 00:31:30,014 "Ooh, these friends. Conspiracy." Blah, blah, blah. 549 00:31:30,097 --> 00:31:36,562 And it's got, like, 5 million likes. And we were getting death threats daily. 550 00:31:36,645 --> 00:31:38,188 It felt like a movie. 551 00:31:38,272 --> 00:31:39,940 People were thinking that we were murderers. 552 00:31:43,527 --> 00:31:45,988 [Alandt] I-I've always tried to be a tough kid. Super tough. 553 00:31:46,071 --> 00:31:49,408 Um, and I think in the moment, 554 00:31:49,491 --> 00:31:53,329 uh, I-I battled with a little bit of anxiety and depression, 555 00:31:53,412 --> 00:31:54,788 which I've never had before. 556 00:31:54,872 --> 00:31:58,876 I had some panic attacks, and I think that it's because I… 557 00:31:59,543 --> 00:32:02,546 I… I didn't let any of my emotions out, ever. 558 00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:04,923 And I think my body was just doing it for me. 559 00:32:09,136 --> 00:32:10,471 [Johnson] I lost a best friend. 560 00:32:11,513 --> 00:32:12,931 People thought I killed him. 561 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:17,394 That was really depressing for me. 562 00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:25,819 That I would even do that to any of those people that I was friends with, 563 00:32:25,903 --> 00:32:27,655 I thought was pretty sad, but… 564 00:32:29,698 --> 00:32:31,533 We were just also so scared still. 565 00:32:31,617 --> 00:32:34,578 And then we were getting people that were like, "We will find you." 566 00:32:34,662 --> 00:32:36,789 And it's like, fuck, you probably will. 567 00:32:36,872 --> 00:32:39,958 Like… [chuckles] …you know, like, this is gonna be a problem. 568 00:32:41,168 --> 00:32:42,586 [Johnson] It wasn't only us. 569 00:32:43,587 --> 00:32:47,174 Dylan and Bethany were getting blamed for everything. 570 00:32:48,592 --> 00:32:51,762 Dylan and Bethany were completely slandered on the internet. 571 00:32:51,845 --> 00:32:54,306 You mean to tell me that Dylan, 572 00:32:54,390 --> 00:32:58,852 she didn't hear someone walking up and down those stairs? 573 00:32:58,936 --> 00:33:02,398 It really is bizarre that they just slept through this. 574 00:33:08,946 --> 00:33:11,323 [Alandt] Dylan and Bethany's gotten a lot of hate. 575 00:33:12,366 --> 00:33:15,285 Attacked online brutally, 576 00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:19,164 and they don't deserve it at all. 577 00:33:19,832 --> 00:33:24,503 I just don't think people should be saying anything when they don't know 578 00:33:25,003 --> 00:33:27,423 'cause they weren't there and they didn't do anything. 579 00:33:28,298 --> 00:33:33,387 There's so many people out there that start a theory 580 00:33:33,971 --> 00:33:35,639 with close relationships. 581 00:33:35,723 --> 00:33:40,018 That's an easy way to go about any theory is to find who they're close to. 582 00:33:40,602 --> 00:33:43,689 And people always suspect the boyfriend. 583 00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:48,026 [Karen] Maddie had a boyfriend, Jake. 584 00:33:48,569 --> 00:33:49,903 Jake would come to the house. 585 00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:55,200 And he was talking about how his social media was being attacked. 586 00:33:56,326 --> 00:34:01,540 He was actively being harassed online as the suspect. 587 00:34:02,458 --> 00:34:03,834 [Scott] I-I felt bad. 588 00:34:04,877 --> 00:34:06,128 That poor kid. 589 00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:10,799 And he came over to our house and he'd stay there because he felt safer, 590 00:34:12,384 --> 00:34:15,304 in case anybody, you know, wanted to try to pull something. 591 00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:19,016 Jake was not in Moscow the night that it happened. 592 00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:20,559 He was in Boise. 593 00:34:20,642 --> 00:34:25,063 So, any of those rumors that he was involved were ridiculous. 594 00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:28,942 [Karen] It was happening to Kaylee's boyfriend, Jack, as well. 595 00:34:29,693 --> 00:34:31,945 He was being stalked. Reporters outside of his house. 596 00:34:32,029 --> 00:34:33,572 It was just… it was ridiculous. 597 00:34:33,655 --> 00:34:36,575 It was hard to read things or hear things about Jack 598 00:34:36,658 --> 00:34:38,911 because obviously we know who he is. 599 00:34:38,994 --> 00:34:41,622 And that was obviously not the case in any way possible. 600 00:34:42,498 --> 00:34:47,586 Um, I think it was also hard because when it came to Kaylee, 601 00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:49,296 like, she thought the best of Jack. 602 00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:53,425 Like, she looked at Jack and just knew how great of a person he was. 603 00:34:53,509 --> 00:34:57,763 And so I think to think about her hearing these things was super hard. 604 00:34:58,597 --> 00:35:02,434 We were all scared that we were being stalked, 605 00:35:02,518 --> 00:35:05,687 even if we didn't realize we were, by social media sleuths. 606 00:35:05,771 --> 00:35:08,190 People trying to get any bit of information 607 00:35:08,273 --> 00:35:10,317 that they could create a story out of. 608 00:35:22,621 --> 00:35:23,622 Good afternoon. 609 00:35:24,998 --> 00:35:28,752 I want to address several areas of speculation, conjecture, 610 00:35:28,836 --> 00:35:32,506 and, uh, misinformation that has circulated on, 611 00:35:33,340 --> 00:35:36,426 uh, social media platforms and otherwise. 612 00:35:37,177 --> 00:35:41,640 We do not believe the following individuals are involved in this crime. 613 00:35:41,723 --> 00:35:44,351 The two surviving roommates, 614 00:35:45,185 --> 00:35:49,898 a male seen at the Grub Truck food vendor downtown, 615 00:35:49,982 --> 00:35:52,484 specifically wearing a white hoodie. 616 00:35:52,568 --> 00:35:56,405 And, currently, there are no suspects in custody 617 00:35:56,488 --> 00:35:59,074 and we have not located a weapon. 618 00:36:01,535 --> 00:36:03,245 [Epperly] You know, they're not addressing every rumor, 619 00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:05,622 but they're clearing suspects publicly. 620 00:36:05,706 --> 00:36:10,002 And the community, in part because of the speculation online, 621 00:36:10,085 --> 00:36:13,297 was grateful that police were clearing these people 622 00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:15,132 who were being targeted or doxxed online. 623 00:36:16,258 --> 00:36:18,510 So many people close to this dropped out of school, 624 00:36:18,594 --> 00:36:21,013 deleted social media, quit their jobs 625 00:36:21,096 --> 00:36:25,893 because they were getting so harassed by the onslaught of attention and sleuthing. 626 00:36:25,976 --> 00:36:29,354 It's so terrible and people don't understand that what they do online 627 00:36:29,438 --> 00:36:33,191 has real-life consequences for the people involved in this. 628 00:36:33,817 --> 00:36:36,403 [Epperly] There was some frustration that all police were saying is, 629 00:36:36,486 --> 00:36:38,196 "This is who didn't do it." 630 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,367 Uh, but weren't providing many details on their investigation 631 00:36:42,451 --> 00:36:44,161 or what was actually happening. 632 00:36:44,244 --> 00:36:47,039 [reporter 1] Do you guys have any idea if the killer's still within the community 633 00:36:47,122 --> 00:36:48,749 in terms of their physical location? 634 00:36:48,832 --> 00:36:50,167 I can't say if the person's here. 635 00:36:50,250 --> 00:36:52,502 I can't say what community the person's in. 636 00:36:52,586 --> 00:36:54,755 [reporter 2] Did you look in Washington at all, I guess, for… 637 00:36:54,838 --> 00:36:55,839 We're looking everywhere. 638 00:36:56,590 --> 00:36:59,885 [reporter 3] How does one individual kill four people at night 639 00:36:59,968 --> 00:37:02,054 and not wake up the other two roommates? 640 00:37:02,137 --> 00:37:05,057 I cannot disclose, um, any of that information. 641 00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:07,267 I don't even know that information at this point in time. 642 00:37:07,351 --> 00:37:09,436 And that's why we're continuing to investigate. 643 00:37:13,398 --> 00:37:15,817 [reporter 4] You've said that this was a targeted attack. 644 00:37:15,901 --> 00:37:18,403 Why not tell the public who was targeted 645 00:37:18,487 --> 00:37:21,531 to alleviate some of the fears out there in the community? 646 00:37:21,615 --> 00:37:22,741 [Lanier] Well, first and foremost, 647 00:37:22,824 --> 00:37:27,037 we don't want to put our investigation in jeopardy by releasing what we have. 648 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,290 Uh, we've told the public very clearly from the beginning 649 00:37:30,374 --> 00:37:32,459 that we believe it was a targeted attack. 650 00:37:33,418 --> 00:37:37,172 Uh, I mean, to be honest, you're gonna have to trust us on that at this point 651 00:37:37,255 --> 00:37:40,175 because we're not going to release why we think that. 652 00:37:51,937 --> 00:37:57,025 [Eckles] After Thanksgiving break, we had a lot of family members saying, 653 00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:59,820 "You should just cancel the semester. I want my student home." 654 00:38:02,030 --> 00:38:04,449 [Lauteren] My parents, they didn't necessarily want me 655 00:38:04,533 --> 00:38:06,201 to come back immediately, 656 00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:09,413 so I just decided to do that semester at home 657 00:38:09,496 --> 00:38:11,707 'cause it seemed like the better option. 658 00:38:15,127 --> 00:38:18,130 [Eckles] We had talked about trying to mourn as a community. 659 00:38:18,213 --> 00:38:21,883 And so we coordinated a vigil on November 30th. 660 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,929 But there were folks fearful of going out. 661 00:38:27,055 --> 00:38:30,058 I mean, how do you reassure someone things are going to be okay 662 00:38:30,142 --> 00:38:32,769 when someone's out there walking around that committed this horrific crime? 663 00:38:33,979 --> 00:38:40,736 ♪ Let the life I've lived speak for me ♪ 664 00:38:40,819 --> 00:38:41,903 ♪ Speak for me ♪ 665 00:38:41,987 --> 00:38:44,156 [Scott] We didn't attend the vigil. 666 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:49,077 We just didn't want to go down there with… be around that many people. 667 00:38:49,161 --> 00:38:51,913 [choir vocalizing] 668 00:38:51,997 --> 00:38:56,209 [Eckles] From a safety standpoint, Chief Fry was worried, understandably so, 669 00:38:56,293 --> 00:38:58,545 that the individual that had done this 670 00:38:58,628 --> 00:39:02,507 might look to take steps and do something else. 671 00:39:04,134 --> 00:39:06,803 [Paterson] When you walked in, security was really tight. 672 00:39:08,388 --> 00:39:10,182 They had cops at every entrance. 673 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:14,061 Rumors were flying, "Oh, he's gonna bring a gun. 674 00:39:14,603 --> 00:39:18,774 Whoever did this is going to come to the vigil and maybe stir things up." 675 00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:24,446 [Eckles] We had easily 30 ununiformed officers 676 00:39:24,529 --> 00:39:26,490 just to kind of blend in with the crowd. 677 00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:30,660 They were like, "Yeah, we need an FBI agent to follow you." 678 00:39:30,744 --> 00:39:33,413 And she did not leave eyesight with me. 679 00:39:35,332 --> 00:39:37,918 [Eckles] We don't know how long this investigation will take, 680 00:39:38,001 --> 00:39:41,004 and we don't know the why behind this horrific act. 681 00:39:41,671 --> 00:39:45,592 But what we do know is we will all go through this together. 682 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:50,222 [Stacy] My name is Stacy Chapin. 683 00:39:50,889 --> 00:39:52,307 I'm Ethan's mom. 684 00:39:53,850 --> 00:39:54,851 [chuckles] 685 00:39:56,311 --> 00:40:00,148 The circumstances that bring us here tonight, they're terrible. 686 00:40:01,149 --> 00:40:02,609 The hardest part: 687 00:40:02,692 --> 00:40:05,487 We cannot change the outcome. 688 00:40:07,322 --> 00:40:11,076 The most important message that we have for you and your families 689 00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:16,081 is to make sure that you spend as much time as possible with those people 690 00:40:16,164 --> 00:40:19,835 because time is precious, and it's something you can't get back. 691 00:40:22,212 --> 00:40:23,964 [Eckles] So we're gonna have a moment of silence. 692 00:40:24,548 --> 00:40:27,801 Turn on your electronic candles if you have them. 693 00:40:33,682 --> 00:40:36,101 [Jim] You don't know where that person was. 694 00:40:36,977 --> 00:40:38,603 He could be anywhere, right? 695 00:40:39,813 --> 00:40:41,773 [Eckles] Xana Kernodle. 696 00:40:41,857 --> 00:40:43,066 [bell dings] 697 00:40:44,276 --> 00:40:45,944 Ethan Chapin. 698 00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:47,904 [bell dings] 699 00:40:51,491 --> 00:40:52,993 Kaylee Goncalves. 700 00:40:53,618 --> 00:40:55,162 [bell dings] 701 00:40:58,582 --> 00:41:00,167 Madison Mogen. 702 00:41:00,792 --> 00:41:02,169 [bell dings] 703 00:41:08,383 --> 00:41:10,760 [reporter] A lot of students are left wondering. 704 00:41:10,844 --> 00:41:13,430 The killer is still out there, but were they at the vigil, 705 00:41:13,513 --> 00:41:16,141 standing alongside other students here tonight? 706 00:41:16,224 --> 00:41:18,602 [Paterson] A lot of locals at that point were saying, 707 00:41:19,186 --> 00:41:21,521 "I'm really worried this case is gonna go cold." 708 00:41:22,397 --> 00:41:26,985 [cyber sleuth] This case has got me so confused. 709 00:41:27,068 --> 00:41:28,820 The police has ruled out everybody. 710 00:41:29,446 --> 00:41:31,781 The roommates, the food truck guy. 711 00:41:32,616 --> 00:41:34,242 They literally have no suspects. 712 00:41:34,326 --> 00:41:37,662 They don't have the murder weapon. We need answers now. 713 00:41:37,746 --> 00:41:39,998 [sirens wailing] 714 00:41:40,081 --> 00:41:41,082 [Stacy] It was late, 715 00:41:41,666 --> 00:41:45,170 and it was interesting that the phone was ringing at that point at night. 716 00:41:45,253 --> 00:41:49,174 I picked up her phone and I go, "Oh, you need to come hear this." 717 00:41:52,344 --> 00:41:53,845 [Karen] It was after eleven o'clock. 718 00:41:54,554 --> 00:41:55,639 I was already in bed. 719 00:41:56,264 --> 00:41:58,433 And the officer said, 720 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:04,231 "Don't tell anyone, but we have the suspect in custody." r this."