1 00:00:15,474 --> 00:00:19,270 [Paterson] It had been a month and a half since the killings occurred. 2 00:00:20,688 --> 00:00:22,857 I get up and I have, like, multiple missed calls. 3 00:00:22,940 --> 00:00:24,233 [phone buzzes] 4 00:00:24,316 --> 00:00:26,819 My supervisor, she's like, "They're having a press conference. 5 00:00:26,902 --> 00:00:27,903 What do you think it means?" 6 00:00:27,987 --> 00:00:29,697 I said, "They got someone." 7 00:00:31,532 --> 00:00:34,577 At this point, the case took off to a whole new level. 8 00:00:34,660 --> 00:00:37,663 [reporter 1] The FBI took a suspect into custody. 9 00:00:37,747 --> 00:00:39,665 It is a man in his 20s. 10 00:00:39,749 --> 00:00:42,460 But beyond that, there are very few details. 11 00:00:42,543 --> 00:00:44,378 [Berriochoa] When I was getting ready to board a plane, 12 00:00:44,462 --> 00:00:46,630 I heard a person say, "They made an arrest." 13 00:00:46,714 --> 00:00:49,133 I said, "Wait. Excuse me. They made an arrest?" 14 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:51,969 [Weber] This arrest happened thousands of miles away 15 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:53,804 from that horrific crime scene. 16 00:00:55,222 --> 00:00:58,017 We tried our best to speculate, but we didn't come close. 17 00:00:58,100 --> 00:01:00,728 [reporter 2] So many questions still unanswered. 18 00:01:00,811 --> 00:01:03,063 What connects this suspect to the victims? 19 00:01:03,147 --> 00:01:06,484 Any theory that I even had was just thrown out the door. 20 00:01:07,234 --> 00:01:10,070 [reporter 3] This is a new name and a new face in the investigation. 21 00:01:10,154 --> 00:01:11,697 We are getting our first look at the man 22 00:01:11,781 --> 00:01:13,991 arrested for the murders of four university… 23 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:16,202 First time we saw the individual, we were just like, 24 00:01:16,744 --> 00:01:19,747 "Who is this? Why did he do this?" 25 00:01:19,830 --> 00:01:22,166 I just didn't even think about the possibility 26 00:01:22,249 --> 00:01:24,585 that it could have been a random person. 27 00:01:43,395 --> 00:01:46,565 [reporter 4] A major development in a closely watched murder case. 28 00:01:46,649 --> 00:01:49,318 Just moments from now, police in Moscow, Idaho, 29 00:01:49,401 --> 00:01:50,736 will hold a news conference. 30 00:01:51,362 --> 00:01:53,948 [reporter 5] This room is absolutely packed here at Moscow City Hall. 31 00:01:54,031 --> 00:01:57,451 Dozens of reporters here inside, bunches of TV cameras. 32 00:01:57,535 --> 00:01:58,911 [Paterson] So we're all sitting there, 33 00:01:58,994 --> 00:02:01,455 mostly a bunch of local newspaper reporters, 34 00:02:01,539 --> 00:02:04,124 people within like an hour or two of Moscow. 35 00:02:05,042 --> 00:02:06,836 And there was a press conference. 36 00:02:08,546 --> 00:02:15,010 Last night, detectives arrested 28-year-old Bryan Christopher Kohberger 37 00:02:15,553 --> 00:02:17,721 in Albrightsville, Pennsylvania. 38 00:02:17,805 --> 00:02:20,307 Kohberger resides in Pullman, Washington, 39 00:02:20,391 --> 00:02:23,727 and is a graduate student at Washington State University. 40 00:02:23,811 --> 00:02:29,567 Due to Idaho state law, we are limited in what information we can release today 41 00:02:29,650 --> 00:02:33,237 until Kohberger has his initial appearance in Idaho Court. 42 00:02:34,071 --> 00:02:36,323 I went to my friend's house and we all were like, 43 00:02:36,407 --> 00:02:38,409 "Do you know who it is? Do we know who he is?" 44 00:02:38,492 --> 00:02:39,660 And none of us knew. 45 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,789 My first reaction was, "Who the hell is this guy?" 46 00:02:43,873 --> 00:02:47,042 He is just this random person that has nothing to do with any of our lives. 47 00:02:47,126 --> 00:02:52,298 You all now know the name of the person who has been charged with these offenses. 48 00:02:52,381 --> 00:02:57,303 Please ask the public, anyone who knows about this individual, to come forward. 49 00:02:57,803 --> 00:02:59,805 [Johnson] I was told that they had made an arrest. 50 00:02:59,889 --> 00:03:02,433 Someone named Bryan. I was like, "Bryan?" 51 00:03:02,516 --> 00:03:03,976 I was like, "I've never even heard of a Bryan." 52 00:03:04,059 --> 00:03:06,437 Like, why would this random guy from Pullman 53 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,689 that no one's met before do this? 54 00:03:10,399 --> 00:03:12,943 [Paterson] Lauren Paterson, uh, Northwest Public Broadcasting, 55 00:03:13,027 --> 00:03:14,278 Spokane Public Radio. 56 00:03:14,820 --> 00:03:16,697 Is our community safe? 57 00:03:16,780 --> 00:03:19,783 Or is law enforcement still on the search for other suspects 58 00:03:19,867 --> 00:03:21,785 who might be involved in this attack? 59 00:03:21,869 --> 00:03:24,705 What I can tell you is we have a individual in custody 60 00:03:24,788 --> 00:03:27,291 who committed these, um, horrible crimes, 61 00:03:27,374 --> 00:03:30,669 and, um, I do believe our community is safe. 62 00:03:32,546 --> 00:03:36,967 [Paterson] For weeks, it really felt like a cloud was hanging over Moscow. 63 00:03:37,468 --> 00:03:41,347 And now here we were sort of close to getting some closure 64 00:03:41,430 --> 00:03:44,475 about this horrible nightmare that we've been living through. 65 00:03:47,269 --> 00:03:51,023 [Wood] As my dad was reading, you know, the details of who they arrested, 66 00:03:51,732 --> 00:03:55,027 I just was crying. And my mom said, "It's over." 67 00:03:56,362 --> 00:03:59,531 And I said, "No, Mom. It's just the beginning." 68 00:04:09,625 --> 00:04:13,837 [Stacy] When the arrest was made, we could all breathe a little bit easier, 69 00:04:13,921 --> 00:04:18,384 that there was somebody out there that-that was no longer out potentially… 70 00:04:18,467 --> 00:04:19,969 [chuckles] …on the streets, I guess. 71 00:04:20,052 --> 00:04:21,261 [sighs] 72 00:04:21,345 --> 00:04:24,682 I was glad to hear that they had caught the person. 73 00:04:26,475 --> 00:04:31,480 Um, 'cause… [sighs] …as a father, 74 00:04:33,107 --> 00:04:35,859 y-you don't know where that person was. 75 00:04:37,111 --> 00:04:41,198 There… There was a real… [breathes deeply] …uh, weight off my chest. 76 00:04:44,034 --> 00:04:47,037 [Karen] It was six weeks of an absolute nightmare, 77 00:04:47,663 --> 00:04:48,956 not knowing why. 78 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,587 Every waking minute wondering who could even commit this crime. 79 00:04:57,381 --> 00:04:59,258 There was never, you know, 80 00:04:59,341 --> 00:05:02,553 this solid moment where you're not thinking about it. 81 00:05:05,806 --> 00:05:08,183 And it's someone completely random. 82 00:05:10,686 --> 00:05:14,690 Very far away, which makes… [breathes sharply] …even less sense. 83 00:05:17,234 --> 00:05:21,321 [reporter 1] Bryan Kohberger is facing four counts of felony first-degree murder. 84 00:05:21,405 --> 00:05:25,492 He remains behind bars inside the Monroe County Correctional Facility. 85 00:05:25,576 --> 00:05:28,996 He'll have his first hearing before a judge on Tuesday afternoon. 86 00:05:29,079 --> 00:05:31,457 [reporter 2] The story making international headlines 87 00:05:31,540 --> 00:05:32,624 for the last seven weeks. 88 00:05:32,708 --> 00:05:36,295 [reporter 3] Bryan. Bryan, did you do it? Bryan. Did you do it? 89 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,883 [Paterson] This case just captures the attention of the nation. 90 00:05:42,051 --> 00:05:44,470 And once Kohberger was arrested, 91 00:05:45,095 --> 00:05:49,266 there was actually more attention on the case now than there even was before. 92 00:05:49,349 --> 00:05:52,352 [Whitworth] Bryan Kohberger will be extradited back here to Idaho 93 00:05:52,436 --> 00:05:56,940 to face charges for the most heinous crime that this city has ever seen. 94 00:05:57,024 --> 00:06:01,528 There was a lot of hubbub about him even just arriving back in Moscow. 95 00:06:04,531 --> 00:06:07,701 There was a crowd of people waiting for him to arrive 96 00:06:07,785 --> 00:06:09,369 when he was driven into the jail. 97 00:06:09,953 --> 00:06:11,497 [reporter 1] The man accused of brutally murdering 98 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:15,584 four University of Idaho students last month is now back in Idaho. 99 00:06:15,667 --> 00:06:19,838 [reporter 2] We expect Kohberger will have his first court appearance tomorrow. 100 00:06:24,968 --> 00:06:28,555 [Paterson] That night, I went down to the Corner Club, the local bar in Moscow. 101 00:06:29,431 --> 00:06:31,266 The mood was jovial. 102 00:06:31,767 --> 00:06:35,020 People were celebrating, clinking glasses. 103 00:06:35,104 --> 00:06:39,108 Like, "We got the guy." Like, you know, "Fuck him. 104 00:06:40,692 --> 00:06:44,696 Yeah, my buddy is the one who, like, drove him over in the car. 105 00:06:44,780 --> 00:06:48,200 And my buddy is the one who was one of the paramedics on the scene." 106 00:06:48,283 --> 00:06:50,285 Like, people in town had a lot of pride 107 00:06:50,369 --> 00:06:54,123 with how the local community had really rallied. 108 00:06:54,206 --> 00:06:58,043 [stammers] Several people were like, "Thank God he's not one of us." 109 00:06:58,127 --> 00:07:01,338 It would have destroyed me if it was someone else, like, from Idaho. 110 00:07:01,421 --> 00:07:03,966 Like, if it was like an Idaho on Idaho thing. 111 00:07:05,384 --> 00:07:08,804 In a small town, everybody knows everybody. 112 00:07:09,596 --> 00:07:11,932 There was just, like, this huge sense of relief. 113 00:07:12,015 --> 00:07:15,394 This guy's from the East Coast. He's an outsider. 114 00:07:19,773 --> 00:07:22,359 [Eckles] When I first heard Bryan Kohberger was a student 115 00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:24,153 at Washington State University, 116 00:07:24,236 --> 00:07:27,239 I remember reaching out to my counterpart there. 117 00:07:27,906 --> 00:07:29,616 I said, "You need to hold on tight, 118 00:07:29,700 --> 00:07:32,953 because the tidal wave that just hit our campus is now coming your way. 119 00:07:33,579 --> 00:07:37,082 All of the scrutiny, the media attention." 120 00:07:37,166 --> 00:07:39,376 [Schwartz] We've been digging into Kohberger's background. 121 00:07:39,459 --> 00:07:43,005 It appears as though he was a PhD criminology student 122 00:07:43,088 --> 00:07:44,631 at Washington State University. 123 00:07:44,715 --> 00:07:47,801 His field of study there now seems an eerie one. 124 00:07:47,885 --> 00:07:50,721 [Franklin] When the news media reported that there was an arrest, 125 00:07:50,804 --> 00:07:53,265 I was working at Washington State University 126 00:07:53,348 --> 00:07:57,895 as a research faculty member and associate professor of criminology. 127 00:07:58,437 --> 00:08:01,106 Bryan Kohberger had been the teaching assistant. 128 00:08:01,190 --> 00:08:04,818 This is a person who's gonna attend class, assist with grading. 129 00:08:04,902 --> 00:08:06,111 They're gonna hold office hours. 130 00:08:06,195 --> 00:08:09,990 They're gonna do a lot of the-the things that faculty members do. 131 00:08:10,699 --> 00:08:14,453 To learn that this was a student that was enrolled in a PhD program, 132 00:08:14,953 --> 00:08:19,374 um, in criminal justice and criminology, was… I… My heart sank. 133 00:08:20,083 --> 00:08:23,545 [reporter] Kohberger was living at an apartment in Pullman, Washington. 134 00:08:23,629 --> 00:08:27,174 That's just about nine miles away from the crime scene in Idaho. 135 00:08:29,051 --> 00:08:31,428 [Franklin] Pullman, Washington and Moscow, Idaho 136 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:33,305 are two college communities. 137 00:08:33,847 --> 00:08:36,058 They just sit, sort of, right on the border. 138 00:08:36,850 --> 00:08:38,977 [Eckles] It's a 15-minute drive from Moscow. 139 00:08:39,061 --> 00:08:42,981 You can literally walk to that campus from our campus, uh, in an afternoon. 140 00:08:44,107 --> 00:08:47,277 [Paterson] It did make sense when I heard that Bryan Kohberger was a student 141 00:08:47,361 --> 00:08:48,695 at a neighboring university. 142 00:08:49,196 --> 00:08:51,907 Someone who was in the area at the time. 143 00:08:52,658 --> 00:08:54,201 [Epperly] There was just a lot of questions. 144 00:08:54,701 --> 00:08:56,870 Who is this person and why was he in Moscow? 145 00:08:57,913 --> 00:09:01,416 But the number one question in this case has always been why? 146 00:09:01,500 --> 00:09:02,876 How did he know the victims? 147 00:09:09,174 --> 00:09:11,218 [Scott] We were keeping our eyes on everything. 148 00:09:12,636 --> 00:09:15,055 We want to know how does this guy tie in. 149 00:09:16,765 --> 00:09:20,227 We have a face to associate with the crime, 150 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,562 but that's all we got. 151 00:09:26,441 --> 00:09:29,736 [Paterson] The first time they brought Bryan Kohberger into the courtroom. 152 00:09:30,737 --> 00:09:36,243 When they opened the doors, a chill swept through the courtroom. 153 00:09:36,326 --> 00:09:39,079 [chattering] 154 00:09:39,162 --> 00:09:43,208 It was just… just a really eerie, surreal feeling 155 00:09:43,292 --> 00:09:45,585 to see him for the first time. 156 00:09:45,669 --> 00:09:46,920 [chattering] 157 00:09:49,798 --> 00:09:51,341 [Scott] Just seeing him, 158 00:09:53,051 --> 00:09:57,222 and he was probably, I don't know, maybe eight feet away from me, 159 00:09:57,306 --> 00:10:01,351 I almost really wanted to take him out myself… [chuckles] …right there. 160 00:10:01,893 --> 00:10:05,731 It is, uh… [gulps] "Okay. [stammers] You got to calm down." 161 00:10:08,233 --> 00:10:10,819 My wife actually was holding on to my arm 162 00:10:10,902 --> 00:10:13,905 because she was afraid I was gonna go do something. 163 00:10:16,199 --> 00:10:19,786 I remember just holding his arm as tightly as I could. 164 00:10:20,370 --> 00:10:21,538 And he was shaking. 165 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:24,124 [gulps] I think we were all shaking. 166 00:10:25,083 --> 00:10:27,961 Count two alleges that you committed the felony offense 167 00:10:28,045 --> 00:10:29,463 of murder in the first degree. 168 00:10:30,255 --> 00:10:35,385 The maximum penalty for this offense is death or imprisonment for life. 169 00:10:35,469 --> 00:10:37,471 -Do you understand? -Yes. 170 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,228 I thought… [inhales deeply] …I would feel like, you know, 171 00:10:45,312 --> 00:10:50,984 "Yes. We're here. We're watching you. Like, how dare you?" [sniffles] 172 00:10:51,735 --> 00:10:52,903 And it wasn't that way at all. 173 00:10:54,071 --> 00:10:55,280 He didn't look at us. 174 00:10:56,114 --> 00:10:57,866 I'm sure he was instructed to do so. 175 00:10:58,867 --> 00:11:01,870 And I thought, "If he doesn't feel bad, 176 00:11:02,621 --> 00:11:06,833 why am I wasting so much time even pretending like he's a human being?" 177 00:11:09,378 --> 00:11:10,629 I'm hurting myself. 178 00:11:11,463 --> 00:11:13,090 He's not going to make me a victim. 179 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,516 [Stacy] Sitting in a courtroom just doesn't feel right. 180 00:11:23,308 --> 00:11:26,144 Why would I go sit in a courtroom… [chuckles] …with that person? 181 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:29,773 -Have you attended any of the hearings? -None. No, I will not. 182 00:11:29,856 --> 00:11:31,858 We won't. We won't attend any of the hearings. 183 00:11:32,734 --> 00:11:34,486 Mm-mmm. Uh, what's the purpose? 184 00:11:34,569 --> 00:11:36,571 -Definitely not the trial? -No. Nope. 185 00:11:36,655 --> 00:11:40,617 I don't have a need to go… [scoffs] …look him in the eyes or… 186 00:11:41,118 --> 00:11:42,411 [clicks tongue] …I don't. 187 00:11:43,870 --> 00:11:44,955 It is what it is. 188 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:47,374 We cannot change the outcome on this thing. 189 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:49,376 We cannot bring Ethan back. 190 00:11:54,005 --> 00:11:58,760 [Scott] I watched a lot of crime shows, so I knew there was a process 191 00:11:59,302 --> 00:12:02,305 and I could explain to Karen, this is each step. 192 00:12:02,889 --> 00:12:04,307 This is what's gonna happen. 193 00:12:04,933 --> 00:12:09,771 So I had to be patient for the most part and say, 194 00:12:09,855 --> 00:12:11,273 "Okay, this is gonna take time." 195 00:12:14,192 --> 00:12:16,903 [reporter 1] We got a press release from the Moscow, uh, Police Department 196 00:12:16,987 --> 00:12:18,697 saying they're not going to talk to us anymore, 197 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:21,741 and they're not the only ones. There's a gag order in this case. 198 00:12:21,825 --> 00:12:24,369 [reporter 2] That gag order is gonna be in effect, the judge said, 199 00:12:24,453 --> 00:12:28,123 until a verdict is reached in this case. 200 00:12:28,957 --> 00:12:32,294 With a gag order, certain people close to this case 201 00:12:32,377 --> 00:12:34,337 aren't allowed to speak to the press anymore, 202 00:12:35,172 --> 00:12:37,257 like the investigators and the cops. 203 00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:40,469 They're trying to really contain this case. 204 00:12:40,552 --> 00:12:45,348 They don't want any evidence leaking out that could compromise the trial. 205 00:12:46,475 --> 00:12:48,101 And so because of this, 206 00:12:48,185 --> 00:12:51,313 the focus completely shifted to Bryan Kohberger. 207 00:12:51,813 --> 00:12:55,025 [Weber] So far, police have not said what led them to this arrest. 208 00:12:55,108 --> 00:12:56,401 [reporter 3] We don't know much about him. 209 00:12:56,485 --> 00:12:59,237 How did they track him down? How did they zero in on him? 210 00:12:59,321 --> 00:13:02,032 His connection to the victims? Did he know the victims? 211 00:13:02,115 --> 00:13:03,867 We don't have any of those answers. 212 00:13:03,950 --> 00:13:05,202 [Paterson] Everyone just became obsessed 213 00:13:05,285 --> 00:13:07,287 with figuring out everything about this guy. 214 00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:09,873 [reporter 4] Who is Bryan Kohberger? 215 00:13:09,956 --> 00:13:11,333 [caller] What brought him to that house? 216 00:13:11,416 --> 00:13:14,586 Did he just spontaneously combust into a killer… [stammers] …overnight? 217 00:13:18,256 --> 00:13:21,760 [Ferraro] The face pops up on the TV, and I'm sitting with my family, 218 00:13:21,843 --> 00:13:25,096 and I just felt my heartbeat go crazy fast. 219 00:13:25,180 --> 00:13:26,973 I recognize this face. 220 00:13:27,933 --> 00:13:29,809 And my fiancée is like, 221 00:13:29,893 --> 00:13:31,853 "What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you?" 222 00:13:31,937 --> 00:13:33,813 And I'm like, "I know that guy." 223 00:13:33,897 --> 00:13:35,732 I'm like, "I went to DeSales with this guy." 224 00:13:39,736 --> 00:13:42,614 Bryan Kohberger and I met in the biology room. 225 00:13:43,365 --> 00:13:46,535 We were all being paired up for this long project that we were about to do. 226 00:13:47,118 --> 00:13:49,955 We're, like, picking partners, and I see this guy standing alone 227 00:13:50,038 --> 00:13:53,542 with his leather jacket on and he's, like, just kind of being quiet. 228 00:13:53,625 --> 00:13:56,044 I'm the type of guy that says, "Hey, buddy, do you want to be my partner?" 229 00:13:57,295 --> 00:14:00,924 This guy is incredibly smart, incredibly detail-oriented, 230 00:14:01,591 --> 00:14:04,678 and he's, honestly, a pleasure to work with. 231 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:07,347 "Do you need help with A? Do you need help with B?" 232 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:10,058 Bouncing ideas off each other. Fact-checking each other. 233 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:14,646 [Slaven] I took a few classes with Bryan Kohberger. 234 00:14:14,729 --> 00:14:17,065 He was also a forensic psychology major. 235 00:14:18,733 --> 00:14:21,069 We saw him maybe as the smarter student. 236 00:14:22,612 --> 00:14:26,616 I remember there was a class where I actually tried to cheat off his test. 237 00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:29,619 I don't tell a lot of people that, but I tried to cheat off his test 238 00:14:29,703 --> 00:14:33,498 because I knew he always did amazing in our psychology classes. 239 00:14:35,917 --> 00:14:37,419 [Ferraro] He seemed to be a lonely guy. 240 00:14:39,045 --> 00:14:42,465 I definitely invited him to a party one time and he said no. 241 00:14:42,966 --> 00:14:44,217 I can remember that. 242 00:14:45,677 --> 00:14:47,387 [Slaven] He commuted to DeSales, 243 00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:52,017 so it was kind of hard to learn who Bryan was. 244 00:14:53,018 --> 00:14:54,185 He's an oddball. 245 00:14:54,811 --> 00:14:57,647 He is smart, but he's like a robot. 246 00:14:58,356 --> 00:15:02,902 Purely based off the fact of his social inability 247 00:15:03,778 --> 00:15:07,073 to perform in a normal human manner, 248 00:15:07,157 --> 00:15:12,203 I could absolutely see someone like him being involved in something like this. 249 00:15:15,123 --> 00:15:16,583 A serial killer that I talked to… 250 00:15:16,666 --> 00:15:19,586 [Ferraro] I sought out the criminal justice program at DeSales 251 00:15:19,669 --> 00:15:21,546 because of its reputation. 252 00:15:21,630 --> 00:15:25,008 We had all these high-profile professors. 253 00:15:25,717 --> 00:15:29,387 [Slaven] Doctor Katherine Ramsland is a very accredited woman 254 00:15:29,471 --> 00:15:31,473 in the forensic psychology world. 255 00:15:31,556 --> 00:15:35,560 She has been on multiple TV shows. She's published multiple books. 256 00:15:36,061 --> 00:15:40,690 [Ramsland] I spent five years talking with Dennis Rader, the BTK serial killer, 257 00:15:40,774 --> 00:15:43,318 because he defies many of the formulas. 258 00:15:44,194 --> 00:15:47,822 [Ferraro] Bryan Kohberger studied forensic psychology under Doctor Ramsland. 259 00:15:48,406 --> 00:15:52,619 In that class, you learned about serial killers, murderers, 260 00:15:53,370 --> 00:15:55,872 and their motives. 261 00:15:57,123 --> 00:16:01,294 [Slaven] Right behind our campus is a group of houses where normal people live. 262 00:16:02,003 --> 00:16:06,424 But one house DeSales bought and they use it as a crime scene house. 263 00:16:07,008 --> 00:16:10,345 Doctor Ramsland would leave evidence and clues 264 00:16:10,428 --> 00:16:13,431 of a real murder that happened in history. 265 00:16:14,182 --> 00:16:18,186 [Ferraro] We would try to figure out exactly how this crime took place. 266 00:16:18,728 --> 00:16:22,732 Just thinking about how and why a person would do something like that. 267 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:27,862 [Slaven] I did one assignment with Bryan in the crime scene house. 268 00:16:28,446 --> 00:16:33,284 We're all sitting there, quiet, and he would come up with something like, 269 00:16:33,368 --> 00:16:36,413 "Well, maybe the intruder did this." 270 00:16:36,496 --> 00:16:40,583 Bryan's analysis usually helped us get to the end goal 271 00:16:40,667 --> 00:16:43,420 of what Doctor Ramsland wanted us to get to. 272 00:16:43,503 --> 00:16:45,171 All of these are part of him, 273 00:16:45,755 --> 00:16:50,468 but when he's focused on one side like serial killer, 274 00:16:51,136 --> 00:16:52,220 the rest recede. 275 00:16:52,303 --> 00:16:53,555 He's not aware of them. That's why… 276 00:16:53,638 --> 00:16:57,100 [Slaven] So if you imagine a box, there's different sides to it. 277 00:16:57,851 --> 00:16:59,769 You act as one person at work. 278 00:17:00,270 --> 00:17:03,148 You act as one person at home. 279 00:17:03,648 --> 00:17:05,442 You act as one person at church. 280 00:17:07,026 --> 00:17:08,945 People with dangerous tendencies, 281 00:17:09,028 --> 00:17:12,031 they have one that they hide completely to themselves, 282 00:17:12,115 --> 00:17:15,201 which allows them to commit these crimes. 283 00:17:15,285 --> 00:17:18,663 And then they can automatically switch when they go back home, 284 00:17:18,747 --> 00:17:19,914 to the other side of the box. 285 00:17:21,374 --> 00:17:23,710 [Paterson] I talked to a criminologist who said, 286 00:17:23,793 --> 00:17:27,046 it's easy for people who want to commit crimes 287 00:17:27,130 --> 00:17:30,133 to mask when studying criminology, right? 288 00:17:30,216 --> 00:17:34,179 You can ask all kinds of debaucherous questions about murder, 289 00:17:34,262 --> 00:17:38,850 about cutting people open, about what motivates criminals to kill people. 290 00:17:40,185 --> 00:17:43,980 For grad school, Kohberger posted a Reddit survey 291 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:46,900 where he was interested in figuring out what motivates people 292 00:17:46,983 --> 00:17:49,360 to commit certain types of crimes. 293 00:17:50,403 --> 00:17:53,823 You don't look like a psychopath. You look like you're doing your homework. 294 00:17:54,657 --> 00:17:58,244 [Slaven] Bryan was asking questions about how certain inmates 295 00:17:58,328 --> 00:18:03,625 felt about the crime that they did, which to me was very bizarre to ask. 296 00:18:05,251 --> 00:18:10,089 It was definitely out of the realm of the type of questions that we would ask. 297 00:18:11,007 --> 00:18:17,430 The Master of Arts in Criminal Justice is awarded to Bryan Kohberger. 298 00:18:18,598 --> 00:18:23,686 [Ferraro] You could be a teacher, who is supposed to be the protector of children, 299 00:18:23,770 --> 00:18:26,272 doing nefarious things with a student. 300 00:18:26,356 --> 00:18:27,982 How oftentimes do we see that? 301 00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:31,903 They coached the football team and they're involved in Little League 302 00:18:31,986 --> 00:18:34,322 and they're part of the community. 303 00:18:34,405 --> 00:18:38,117 All the while, being that chameleon who's blending in with society. 304 00:18:43,581 --> 00:18:46,501 [Paterson] What we know about Bryan Kohberger is that he was raised 305 00:18:46,584 --> 00:18:50,046 in the rural mountains of the Poconos in Pennsylvania. 306 00:18:51,548 --> 00:18:55,468 He seems to have been picked on or bullied as a kid a lot. 307 00:18:56,803 --> 00:19:00,682 When he got older, he was kind of a loner kid. 308 00:19:03,852 --> 00:19:07,146 While Kohberger was at Washington State University, 309 00:19:07,230 --> 00:19:08,565 he was a teacher's assistant. 310 00:19:09,232 --> 00:19:13,945 And from what we've heard from students who were in classes with Kohberger, 311 00:19:14,028 --> 00:19:16,656 he had somewhat of an off-putting personality. 312 00:19:17,991 --> 00:19:20,451 But it's not like this guy had a rap. 313 00:19:21,494 --> 00:19:23,246 It'd be different if, like, in his past, 314 00:19:23,329 --> 00:19:27,625 he had some other, like, violent assault or something on his record. 315 00:19:27,709 --> 00:19:31,754 What makes this so striking is this wasn't some career criminal. 316 00:19:31,838 --> 00:19:34,591 This might have been someone's first act. 317 00:19:38,136 --> 00:19:43,641 [Epperly] It wasn't clear how police identified Bryan Kohberger as the suspect 318 00:19:43,725 --> 00:19:46,269 until the probable cause affidavit was released. 319 00:19:46,352 --> 00:19:48,521 [Weber] We have breaking news for you, 320 00:19:48,605 --> 00:19:52,775 and that is that the probable cause affidavit in the Idaho Four murder case 321 00:19:52,859 --> 00:19:54,569 has officially been released. 322 00:19:54,652 --> 00:19:56,321 As you can see, I'm casually dressed. 323 00:19:56,404 --> 00:19:59,157 We had to jump on the air immediately to get this to you. 324 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,161 There's a lot of information as to what led to Bryan Kohberger's arrest. 325 00:20:03,244 --> 00:20:05,330 And these details are so heartbreaking. 326 00:20:05,413 --> 00:20:08,249 Let's talk about the key takeaways because OMG. 327 00:20:09,667 --> 00:20:13,129 [Epperly] Probable cause affidavit is supposed to provide a judge 328 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:18,217 with just enough evidence for the suspect to be held on the crime. 329 00:20:18,301 --> 00:20:21,804 [reporter] DNA, phone records and that white Hyundai Elantra. 330 00:20:21,888 --> 00:20:25,558 Those are the pieces of evidence police believe connect Bryan Kohberger 331 00:20:25,642 --> 00:20:27,310 to the Idaho murders. 332 00:20:27,810 --> 00:20:31,898 We get to see the homework that all the investigators put together 333 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,734 to say… [stammers] …Bryan Kohberger is our guy. 334 00:20:36,694 --> 00:20:38,655 The night the killings took place, 335 00:20:39,155 --> 00:20:43,493 Kohberger's cell phone data reveals he leaves his apartment in Pullman, 336 00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:44,994 heading toward Moscow. 337 00:20:46,871 --> 00:20:51,084 His cell phone stops reporting to the network at 2:47 a.m. 338 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:54,879 Investigators say that's consistent with someone, like, 339 00:20:54,963 --> 00:20:57,757 putting their phone in airplane mode or turning it off. 340 00:20:59,133 --> 00:21:00,760 [Epperly] Just before 3:30 a.m., 341 00:21:00,843 --> 00:21:03,763 a white Elantra is seen on surveillance footage 342 00:21:03,846 --> 00:21:06,182 making passes at the King Road house. 343 00:21:12,522 --> 00:21:14,899 Investigators believe the homicides occurred 344 00:21:14,983 --> 00:21:18,069 between 4:00 and 4:25 a.m. 345 00:21:18,987 --> 00:21:22,031 [Paterson] And then, sometime after 4:20 a.m., 346 00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:25,868 a white Hyundai Elantra is seen leaving the King Road residence 347 00:21:25,952 --> 00:21:28,871 at high speed on security footage. 348 00:21:29,872 --> 00:21:33,334 When Kohberger's phone starts reporting to the network again, 349 00:21:33,418 --> 00:21:35,670 it happens at 4:48 a.m. 350 00:21:35,753 --> 00:21:39,590 as he's headed south from Moscow towards Genesee. 351 00:21:40,466 --> 00:21:42,010 [Epperly] According to cell phone data, 352 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:46,097 Kohberger drove back to Pullman in an odd way. 353 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:50,518 Typically, people will drive down the main highway that connects the two towns 354 00:21:50,601 --> 00:21:53,438 or they'll drive on the airport road, 355 00:21:53,521 --> 00:21:58,026 but he drove through a residential subdivision out of the way. 356 00:21:59,027 --> 00:22:02,155 [Paterson] He winds his way back to Pullman 357 00:22:02,238 --> 00:22:04,741 through some of the smaller farm towns. 358 00:22:05,742 --> 00:22:09,162 Kohberger returns to his residence on the Pullman campus 359 00:22:09,245 --> 00:22:10,621 in the early morning hours. 360 00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:16,544 One of the most shocking parts of the affidavit 361 00:22:16,627 --> 00:22:21,299 was that investigators found a sheath for a knife 362 00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:24,343 next to Maddie on the bed. 363 00:22:26,596 --> 00:22:30,475 The cell phone records show Kohberger likely returned 364 00:22:30,558 --> 00:22:34,062 to the area of 1122 King Road that morning. 365 00:22:34,854 --> 00:22:38,608 He seems to circle back to the crime scene sometime around 9 a.m. 366 00:22:39,233 --> 00:22:45,865 It kind of makes my skin crawl knowing that he was on the same street. 367 00:22:46,532 --> 00:22:50,119 He was by my car. He was by my front door that morning. 368 00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:55,708 When he went back there in the morning, that was an "Oh, shit" moment. 369 00:22:55,792 --> 00:22:58,711 "I left the sheath and that has my DNA on it." 370 00:22:58,795 --> 00:23:00,046 That's what I truly believe. 371 00:23:00,129 --> 00:23:02,215 "Where is that sheath? Oh, my God. Where is it?" 372 00:23:02,298 --> 00:23:03,424 Probably freaking out 373 00:23:03,508 --> 00:23:05,676 'cause he probably wore booties on his feet. 374 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,721 He probably gloved up. He probably had long sleeves. 375 00:23:08,805 --> 00:23:11,390 He probably had a hairnet and a hood up. 376 00:23:11,474 --> 00:23:13,684 And knowing what he did know, 377 00:23:13,768 --> 00:23:16,562 probably accounted for every little thing that he could. 378 00:23:17,647 --> 00:23:22,068 You can say you're gonna do this, this and this on any given day, 379 00:23:22,151 --> 00:23:24,070 but almost 100% of the time, 380 00:23:24,153 --> 00:23:27,907 the plan has to deviate because you can't control the outcome. 381 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,536 [Paterson] Five days after the killings occurred, 382 00:23:31,619 --> 00:23:34,455 Bryan Kohberger changed his car registration 383 00:23:34,539 --> 00:23:36,207 from Pennsylvania to Washington. 384 00:23:37,083 --> 00:23:38,835 This is extremely suspicious 385 00:23:38,918 --> 00:23:42,713 because maybe someone is worried that their car was captured on video 386 00:23:42,797 --> 00:23:44,465 or surveillance of some kind. 387 00:23:45,550 --> 00:23:49,303 And so, registering a different state is a way to change 388 00:23:49,387 --> 00:23:52,598 not only the look of your vehicle, but where it's registered, 389 00:23:52,682 --> 00:23:54,308 the information about it. 390 00:23:54,392 --> 00:23:56,310 Maybe it's a way to cover something up. 391 00:24:00,565 --> 00:24:05,736 [Jenkins] On November 28th, I received an email from Moscow PD. 392 00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:07,321 They had a vehicle of interest. 393 00:24:08,698 --> 00:24:12,702 It was a 2011 to 2013 white Hyundai Elantra. 394 00:24:14,203 --> 00:24:15,788 At the time, I was chief of police 395 00:24:15,872 --> 00:24:18,040 for the Washington State University Police Department. 396 00:24:19,167 --> 00:24:21,252 They told us if we found one, 397 00:24:21,335 --> 00:24:24,088 just provide the license plate and where it was. 398 00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,718 They didn't want us to contact an occupant or driver of the vehicle. 399 00:24:29,427 --> 00:24:31,304 It's called law enforcement sensitive, 400 00:24:31,387 --> 00:24:34,015 meaning that we should not distribute it beyond law enforcement. 401 00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:39,979 The next day, one of our officers was driving around 402 00:24:40,062 --> 00:24:43,566 at one of the graduate student housing complexes on campus. 403 00:24:46,152 --> 00:24:50,156 And actually found a white Elantra with Pennsylvania plates. 404 00:24:50,239 --> 00:24:52,408 [typing] 405 00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:55,494 And he did a search in our parking enforcement system. 406 00:24:56,287 --> 00:24:58,915 It was a graduate student at Washington State University 407 00:24:58,998 --> 00:25:00,291 named Bryan Kohberger, 408 00:25:00,374 --> 00:25:04,795 and one of our officers had stopped him previously for a traffic violation. 409 00:25:05,421 --> 00:25:09,550 Yeah, I-I do apologize if I was asking you too many questions about the law. 410 00:25:09,634 --> 00:25:11,677 -I wasn't trying to, like-- -[officer] No, no, no, not at all. 411 00:25:11,761 --> 00:25:13,763 Like, I understand you're not from here, so… 412 00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:15,806 -Yeah. Have a good day. -Definitely. You too. 413 00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:17,266 [officer] Thanks. 414 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:20,394 [Jenkins] Moscow PD wanted us to look for a white Elantra 415 00:25:20,478 --> 00:25:22,647 that was between 2011 and 2013. 416 00:25:23,564 --> 00:25:26,234 This car was not between those years, 417 00:25:26,317 --> 00:25:30,321 and so, they didn't submit it as a lead to Moscow PD. 418 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,802 [typing] 419 00:26:08,276 --> 00:26:10,403 [Cameron] Pappa Rodger joined our Facebook group, 420 00:26:10,486 --> 00:26:13,281 the University of Idaho Murders Case Discussion, 421 00:26:13,364 --> 00:26:16,117 a couple of weeks after we started the page, 422 00:26:16,784 --> 00:26:19,245 and he immediately started to get attention 423 00:26:19,328 --> 00:26:21,998 because of the questions he was asking 424 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,210 and just how creepy overall he was. 425 00:26:28,504 --> 00:26:30,840 Alina and I are like the administrators of the page, 426 00:26:30,923 --> 00:26:33,426 and if something gets posted that's inappropriate, 427 00:26:33,509 --> 00:26:35,011 it, like, pops up to our attention. 428 00:26:35,094 --> 00:26:38,597 We get this, like, file of people that report comments, 429 00:26:38,681 --> 00:26:40,599 and his were in there all the time, 430 00:26:40,683 --> 00:26:43,686 which is how he became, like, even more prominent in my head. 431 00:26:43,769 --> 00:26:46,480 I mean, he just asked really weird questions, like, 432 00:26:46,564 --> 00:26:49,358 "How did the killer hold the knife prior to entering the scene, 433 00:26:49,442 --> 00:26:50,526 in your opinion?" 434 00:26:51,569 --> 00:26:54,613 [Smith] He said, "Which hand do you think they used to kill with?" 435 00:26:54,697 --> 00:26:56,532 And I was just like… [groans] …"Who is he?" 436 00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:59,243 Like, "Something's not right. Something's off with this guy." 437 00:27:00,328 --> 00:27:02,872 [Cameron] Alina and I have a passion for true crime. 438 00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:06,375 We have multiple pages that focus on crimes 439 00:27:06,459 --> 00:27:09,045 that people are looking to solve, 440 00:27:09,128 --> 00:27:14,383 but the biggest and most well-known is the University of Idaho murders. 441 00:27:15,176 --> 00:27:17,011 There was talk back then like, 442 00:27:17,094 --> 00:27:20,890 "Oh, I bet the killer is on this page. There's 220,000 of us." 443 00:27:21,932 --> 00:27:24,143 [Smith] We have almost a quarter million members. 444 00:27:24,727 --> 00:27:27,021 Somebody's gonna say something that's gonna be significant. 445 00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:30,232 People ask questions on this page, and they like… 446 00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:31,734 "Oh, I think so-and-so did it." 447 00:27:31,817 --> 00:27:34,653 But he was so into, like, the crime scene 448 00:27:34,737 --> 00:27:37,281 and, like, the killer and why he did things. 449 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,329 In hindsight, I see something very much along the same lines 450 00:27:43,412 --> 00:27:47,291 as the questionnaire that Bryan Kohberger created 451 00:27:47,375 --> 00:27:48,876 for a school project. 452 00:27:49,418 --> 00:27:53,631 He wanted, like, the thoughts and feelings into why somebody committed crime. 453 00:27:55,257 --> 00:27:57,468 Pappa Rodger asked on our page, 454 00:27:58,302 --> 00:28:00,137 "How did the killer leave the scene?" 455 00:28:02,139 --> 00:28:04,350 Kohberger asked, "How did you leave the scene?" 456 00:28:04,433 --> 00:28:06,102 in his questionnaire. 457 00:28:06,185 --> 00:28:08,813 Pappa Rodger said, "Did you clean up at all?" 458 00:28:09,980 --> 00:28:13,567 Bryan Kohberger asked, "Before leaving, is there anything else you did?" 459 00:28:14,485 --> 00:28:16,946 The questions on his questionnaire 460 00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:21,409 are very similar to the questions that Pappa Rodger asked on our page. 461 00:28:23,202 --> 00:28:26,080 One post in particular that really catches my attention 462 00:28:26,163 --> 00:28:30,251 is his very first post on November 30th. 463 00:28:30,334 --> 00:28:31,836 "Of the evidence released, 464 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:35,548 the murder weapon has been consistent as a large fixed-blade knife. 465 00:28:35,631 --> 00:28:37,967 This leads me to believe they found the sheath." 466 00:28:40,511 --> 00:28:42,805 That is so odd 467 00:28:42,888 --> 00:28:45,641 because we didn't hear anything about the sheath. 468 00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:49,520 This has never been discussed publicly. 469 00:28:49,603 --> 00:28:51,605 This is November 30th. 470 00:28:51,689 --> 00:28:55,276 This is a full month before they even arrest him. 471 00:28:59,572 --> 00:29:02,199 [reporter] This morning, a new clue in the search for the killer 472 00:29:02,283 --> 00:29:04,243 of four University of Idaho students. 473 00:29:04,326 --> 00:29:06,328 Detectives now asking the public for help 474 00:29:06,412 --> 00:29:11,083 locating a white 2011 to 2013 Hyundai Elantra. 475 00:29:12,084 --> 00:29:15,129 During a case like this one, you're withholding that information 476 00:29:15,212 --> 00:29:17,339 because you don't want to compromise the investigation. 477 00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:21,760 But then, if you get to a point where your investigation isn't getting anywhere, 478 00:29:21,844 --> 00:29:24,013 then you have to kind of give that up 479 00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:26,557 in the interest of trying to develop leads. 480 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,935 [reporter 2] As far as this investigation in this story goes, 481 00:29:30,019 --> 00:29:32,813 this is as big of a development as we-we have got. 482 00:29:32,897 --> 00:29:36,650 Once this tip goes out that the police are looking for a white Hyundai Elantra, 483 00:29:36,734 --> 00:29:38,402 people are going nuts looking for this car. 484 00:29:39,028 --> 00:29:41,906 People are going crazy online, submitting photos. 485 00:29:43,365 --> 00:29:45,201 [Wood] When they were looking for the car, 486 00:29:45,284 --> 00:29:48,204 my friends had to screenshot it and was like, "Do you know about this?" 487 00:29:48,287 --> 00:29:50,372 I had a friend text me and it was like, 488 00:29:50,456 --> 00:29:53,584 "I know a girl who has that car. Should I call it in?" 489 00:29:53,667 --> 00:29:56,253 People were losing it about this. 490 00:29:58,297 --> 00:30:01,383 [reporter 3] A night manager at this gas station in Moscow, Idaho, 491 00:30:01,467 --> 00:30:05,596 discovered surveillance video that showed a white sedan driving by 492 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:09,350 on the night the four University of Idaho students were murdered. 493 00:30:13,020 --> 00:30:17,775 During that time, Pappa Rodger kept saying over and over and over again 494 00:30:17,858 --> 00:30:20,653 that that white Elantra is a red herring. 495 00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:25,115 It's like somebody trying to get people off that trail. 496 00:30:27,076 --> 00:30:31,664 Something you learn in criminal justice is when people do commit acts of atrocity 497 00:30:32,414 --> 00:30:35,167 and they get away with it for a time, 498 00:30:35,251 --> 00:30:39,088 they involve themselves in any which way that they can. 499 00:30:40,881 --> 00:30:46,554 This person potentially joined the search on social media to perhaps play a game, 500 00:30:46,637 --> 00:30:50,474 have fun, show their intellect, whatever the case may be. 501 00:30:52,601 --> 00:30:56,939 [Paterson] In December, Kohberger's dad flew in from Pennsylvania into Washington 502 00:30:57,022 --> 00:31:00,025 to drive him home for winter break. 503 00:31:05,239 --> 00:31:07,366 And he's pulled over for tailgating. 504 00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:10,536 [officer] See, he's right up on that van, man. 505 00:31:11,537 --> 00:31:13,956 You were right up on the back end of that van. 506 00:31:14,832 --> 00:31:17,376 So you're coming from Washington State University? 507 00:31:17,459 --> 00:31:19,670 -Yeah. -[officer] And you're going where? 508 00:31:20,462 --> 00:31:22,298 -We're gonna be going to Pennsylvania. -[officer] Oh, okay. 509 00:31:22,381 --> 00:31:24,383 So y'all work at the university? 510 00:31:24,466 --> 00:31:25,968 I actually do work there. 511 00:31:26,051 --> 00:31:28,053 [officer] So, do me a favor and don't follow too close, okay? 512 00:31:28,137 --> 00:31:29,263 -Thank you. -Thank you, sir. 513 00:31:29,346 --> 00:31:31,056 All right. Thank you. Appreciate you. 514 00:31:33,183 --> 00:31:35,519 [Paterson] And then he gets pulled over a second time. 515 00:31:38,188 --> 00:31:39,607 -[officer 2] How you doing? -Hey, officer. 516 00:31:39,690 --> 00:31:41,900 [officer 2] I'm with State Police. Can I get your license and registration? 517 00:31:43,235 --> 00:31:44,820 You got… You got stopped by a trooper? 518 00:31:45,821 --> 00:31:48,324 -[Michael] It was a black car. -[officer 2] We don't have any SUVs. 519 00:31:48,407 --> 00:31:50,659 -[Michael] Oh, uh, it was, um… -[officer 2] It was a county guy. 520 00:31:50,743 --> 00:31:52,411 -Was it, like, a black SUV? -It was a county guy. Yeah. 521 00:31:52,494 --> 00:31:54,204 [officer 2] Okay. All right. All right. 522 00:31:54,288 --> 00:31:55,956 Well, I'm not gonna give you guys another ticket or warning 523 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,375 if you just got stopped. Just make sure you give yourself plenty of room. Okay? 524 00:31:58,459 --> 00:32:00,544 -Okay. Please have a safe trip. Be safe. -[Michael] Thank you, sir. 525 00:32:01,879 --> 00:32:04,715 [Paterson] They continue to drive to Pennsylvania. 526 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,345 [Cameron] Pappa Rodger, I mean, he keeps posting. 527 00:32:09,887 --> 00:32:14,308 And when I read those messages, I see an escalation. 528 00:32:18,354 --> 00:32:20,022 [Jenkins] At the end of December, 529 00:32:20,105 --> 00:32:23,442 I received a text from the chief of the Moscow Police Department 530 00:32:23,525 --> 00:32:26,904 asking me if I could meet with the investigative team. 531 00:32:28,113 --> 00:32:32,284 He walked me upstairs to a room full of Moscow PD, 532 00:32:32,368 --> 00:32:34,787 Idaho State Patrol, the FBI. 533 00:32:36,455 --> 00:32:38,666 I figured that there's… Okay, there's… 534 00:32:38,749 --> 00:32:40,292 Now they've got something going on. 535 00:32:40,376 --> 00:32:42,795 There's a lead and it has something to do with WSU. 536 00:32:45,089 --> 00:32:46,590 They had a suspect, 537 00:32:47,591 --> 00:32:52,763 and when they told me his name, it sounded familiar to me. 538 00:32:52,846 --> 00:32:54,264 And I said, you know, 539 00:32:55,224 --> 00:32:58,268 "I think I've talked to Bryan Kohberger before." 540 00:33:00,896 --> 00:33:03,732 Previous to my employment at Washington State University, 541 00:33:03,816 --> 00:33:05,776 I was the chief of police for the city of Pullman. 542 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:12,324 We had a program where a WSU criminal justice PhD student 543 00:33:12,408 --> 00:33:15,077 would do research and assistance for us. 544 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,413 So I interviewed Bryan Kohberger. 545 00:33:19,248 --> 00:33:24,753 I know that he had an interest in the mind of a person who commits crimes, 546 00:33:24,837 --> 00:33:27,506 their motivation and how they feel. 547 00:33:28,674 --> 00:33:32,678 He seemed maybe a little bit awkward, uh, in talking with him. 548 00:33:33,804 --> 00:33:39,476 His communication style was not like a fluid conversation, necessarily, 549 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,687 where he spoke easily. 550 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:43,897 It was a little bit more stuttered, I guess. 551 00:33:45,649 --> 00:33:48,068 With a researcher and a law enforcement agency, 552 00:33:48,152 --> 00:33:50,571 a huge factor is developing trust, 553 00:33:50,654 --> 00:33:54,324 and that was one area where I felt he might fall short. 554 00:33:57,286 --> 00:33:58,454 He did not get the job. 555 00:34:01,832 --> 00:34:05,502 During that briefing, the investigators let me know 556 00:34:05,586 --> 00:34:08,464 Bryan Kohberger was identified as a suspect 557 00:34:08,547 --> 00:34:10,215 based on DNA at the crime scene. 558 00:34:12,676 --> 00:34:14,720 [Epperly] They found a single source, 559 00:34:14,803 --> 00:34:20,517 meaning it was only one person's DNA, on the button of the sheath. 560 00:34:20,601 --> 00:34:24,104 [reporter 1] The suspect was identified through genetic genealogy, 561 00:34:24,188 --> 00:34:29,318 a process where DNA from an investigation is compared to a public database. 562 00:34:29,401 --> 00:34:31,904 [reporter 2] It sounds like somebody in his family 563 00:34:31,987 --> 00:34:34,072 did one of those 23andMe things. 564 00:34:34,156 --> 00:34:37,618 [Epperly] Using investigative genetic genealogy, 565 00:34:37,701 --> 00:34:42,039 investigators can turn to trying to match portions of the known profile 566 00:34:42,122 --> 00:34:46,335 from the sheath to family members of their suspect. 567 00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:51,173 Back in Pennsylvania, 568 00:34:51,256 --> 00:34:54,426 the FBI began surveilling the Kohberger residence. 569 00:34:54,968 --> 00:34:57,471 They take some of the family's garbage 570 00:34:58,472 --> 00:35:02,476 and made a DNA profile of Bryan Kohberger's father, 571 00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:09,942 and then got at least a partial match to the DNA profile on the knife sheath. 572 00:35:10,025 --> 00:35:13,445 So using all of this information, investigators say, 573 00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:17,199 "We believe the person who committed this crime is Bryan Kohberger. 574 00:35:17,282 --> 00:35:19,117 We want a warrant for his arrest." 575 00:35:21,995 --> 00:35:24,748 [Jenkins] The investigators let us know of their plan 576 00:35:24,832 --> 00:35:29,253 that they were going to do an arrest at his family home in Pennsylvania. 577 00:35:29,837 --> 00:35:33,715 We were gonna time the search warrants at his office 578 00:35:33,799 --> 00:35:38,804 and his graduate student housing apartment to happen almost simultaneously. 579 00:35:42,474 --> 00:35:43,642 [knocking on door] 580 00:35:43,725 --> 00:35:46,395 [officer] Police department! Search warrant! Come to the door! 581 00:35:47,187 --> 00:35:49,773 [reporter 1] A break in the case that has gripped this nation. 582 00:35:49,857 --> 00:35:52,860 [reporter 2] Authorities have arrested a suspect in Pennsylvania. 583 00:35:52,943 --> 00:35:56,071 [reporter 3] Kohberger reportedly had a blank stare as he was arrested 584 00:35:56,154 --> 00:36:00,742 and also asked if anyone else had been taken into custody. 585 00:36:00,826 --> 00:36:03,537 [Mancuso] Mr. Kohberger was found in the kitchen area 586 00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:05,873 wearing, um, latex gloves, 587 00:36:05,956 --> 00:36:08,959 and, apparently, was taking his personal trash 588 00:36:09,042 --> 00:36:11,461 and putting it into separate ziplock baggies. 589 00:36:12,087 --> 00:36:15,048 [Paterson] The police took computers. They have hard drives. 590 00:36:15,132 --> 00:36:18,468 They took black clothing. They took gloves, masks. 591 00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:23,140 [Jenkins] There were no clothes at the apartment. 592 00:36:23,223 --> 00:36:25,392 It just was almost vacant, 593 00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:29,688 looked like he had planned not to come back. 594 00:36:40,616 --> 00:36:46,830 After Bryan Kohberger is arrested, no one hears from Pappa Rodger ever again. 595 00:36:46,914 --> 00:36:49,333 He was erased from the Internet. 596 00:36:49,416 --> 00:36:51,668 You couldn't find him. I couldn't pull him up at all. 597 00:36:51,752 --> 00:36:55,505 Because he was a member on the page, I should have been able to find something. 598 00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:57,007 There was nothing. 599 00:37:00,844 --> 00:37:02,846 [Cameron] The day of Kohberger's arrest, 600 00:37:03,388 --> 00:37:05,599 Alina and I and hundreds of thousands of other people 601 00:37:05,682 --> 00:37:06,850 are digging into Bryan Kohberger. 602 00:37:08,769 --> 00:37:11,355 When you look at his mug shot 603 00:37:11,438 --> 00:37:15,442 and you look at the profile picture of Pappa Rodger, 604 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,780 it looks like he made a cartoon of himself. 605 00:37:19,863 --> 00:37:24,117 When I saw him, I was like, "That's him. Kristine, that's him. 606 00:37:24,201 --> 00:37:25,285 That's fucking him." 607 00:37:27,621 --> 00:37:29,581 [Cameron] We started posting about it on the page 608 00:37:29,665 --> 00:37:32,042 and everyone kind of, like, jumped on that, like, 609 00:37:32,125 --> 00:37:34,252 "Oh, my gosh. He was pa… He was on the page. 610 00:37:34,336 --> 00:37:35,671 This is the connection." 611 00:37:41,426 --> 00:37:43,011 [Johnson] After the arrest was made, 612 00:37:43,095 --> 00:37:47,516 I thought our lives could begin to get more normal, 613 00:37:48,725 --> 00:37:54,022 but the vibes and the energy around everyone 614 00:37:54,106 --> 00:37:56,108 was just not the same. 615 00:37:57,484 --> 00:37:59,903 [Eckles] We are needing to move forward as a community, 616 00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:03,657 but the suspect is in jail just down the road. 617 00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:07,869 And so, the daily reminder of what happened is ever-present. 618 00:38:13,083 --> 00:38:16,336 [Karen] We were somewhere and the news was on in the background 619 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:19,423 and, suddenly, it was the story of the kids. 620 00:38:19,506 --> 00:38:22,467 And just when you think you're emotionally okay… 621 00:38:22,551 --> 00:38:23,552 [inhales sharply] 622 00:38:23,635 --> 00:38:24,803 …you see it again. [cries] 623 00:38:26,555 --> 00:38:28,223 What is going on? Like… 624 00:38:28,932 --> 00:38:29,933 [sniffling] 625 00:38:30,017 --> 00:38:31,768 …is this ever… [cries] 626 00:38:33,061 --> 00:38:35,856 … going to be normal again? Is this ever gonna be the same? 627 00:38:35,939 --> 00:38:39,776 And I think that, slowly but surely, I figured out that it's not. 628 00:38:40,902 --> 00:38:42,529 I don't watch the news… [exhales sharply] 629 00:38:43,363 --> 00:38:44,406 [inhales sharply] 630 00:38:46,074 --> 00:38:49,661 …because you just never know when something's gonna be out there. 631 00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:56,084 For the people close to it, they're having to grieve and… 632 00:38:56,168 --> 00:38:59,838 and try to make sense of what's going on and get closure for their loved ones, 633 00:38:59,921 --> 00:39:02,132 all while being on a national stage. 634 00:39:04,843 --> 00:39:08,472 I really didn't understand until I was part of this case, 635 00:39:08,555 --> 00:39:12,517 the ripple effects that it can have for entire communities. 636 00:39:15,771 --> 00:39:19,858 Even as the case evolved, that attention just kept growing. 637 00:39:19,941 --> 00:39:21,777 You just… You couldn't escape it. 638 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,824 We have amateur detectives piece together maps of the house 639 00:39:27,908 --> 00:39:28,992 and the rooms. 640 00:39:29,576 --> 00:39:32,996 You had Maddie and Kaylee right above on the third floor. 641 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,123 We have psychics on TikTok 642 00:39:35,207 --> 00:39:38,835 claiming to have spiritual abilities to solve crimes. 643 00:39:38,919 --> 00:39:42,589 He may have acted alone within the murder house, I don't know. 644 00:39:42,672 --> 00:39:44,800 I'm gonna be doing a couple more readings. 645 00:39:44,883 --> 00:39:47,385 There were a lot of questions that were answered by the affidavit, 646 00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:51,556 like how police had tracked down Bryan Kohberger. 647 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,186 But there were also a lot of questions we still don't have answers to. 648 00:39:57,187 --> 00:39:58,939 [reporter 1] What I don't quite understand at this time 649 00:39:59,022 --> 00:40:03,443 is the police were not called until about noon the next day. 650 00:40:03,527 --> 00:40:05,278 [reporter 2] Why was there such a delay? 651 00:40:06,113 --> 00:40:09,991 The biggest detail from the affidavit was that one of the surviving roommates 652 00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:13,995 actually saw someone in the house 653 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,623 in the early morning hours of November 13th. 654 00:40:16,706 --> 00:40:19,209 There was an actual visual witness. 655 00:40:20,001 --> 00:40:22,045 [reporter 3] She came face-to-face with the killer. 656 00:40:22,129 --> 00:40:24,798 Someone in this house saw him. 657 00:40:25,715 --> 00:40:30,345 [Alandt] I think she was confused and has battled with, 658 00:40:30,428 --> 00:40:33,181 "What if I actually knew what was going on?" tled with,