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[somber instrumental music plays]

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[woman] I'm so sorry.

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I wish I could change things
and go back in time and--

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just not have any guns
in the house at all.

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[music intensifies]

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I hope someday that I can get out.

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But I know that I took a life
and I got to pay for that.

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And um, I'm so sorry that I did it.

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And uh, if I could bring him back,
I would.

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But I can't bring him back.

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[music crescendos]

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[eerie instrumental music plays]

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[somber instrumental music plays]

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Should my hair be behind me
or in front of me?

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I think it should be in front of you.

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My name is Victoria Smith.

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I was convicted of first-degree murder.

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My sentence was, uh, life

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plus 25 years.

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[downbeat melodic music plays]

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I grew up in, uh, Poplar Bluff, Missouri.

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I have, uh, eight siblings.

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Two have passed,

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and uh, the main two I was close to
was Roxie and Betty.

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I'm really close to Betty.

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She's my baby sister.

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I was slow growing up.

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Uh, like, learning disabilities.

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I had learning disabilities

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and I wasn't mentally right.

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I've always had problems.

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You know, I'm average
or below average education.

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My mom raised us on Social Security.

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I don't know who my father was.
My mother never told--

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Well, she told me that it could have been
a riverboat captain

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or a man that worked on the riverboat,

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but it was never confirmed.

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But I felt my mom had a tough love.

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I called it tough love,

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and uh, it made me a stronger person.

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I think that I wouldn't be
as strong as I was

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if it wasn't have been for my mother.

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I don't like to put my mother down,

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but she had a drinking problem
when we was growing up,

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and, uh, when she would drink,
she would take everything out on me.

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She would kick me
and hit me with her fists,

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and pull my hair and…

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I mean, just physical abuse, you know.

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It was at least two or three times a week.

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That's pretty much how I was raised,

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up until I was 15.

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And then I went and moved to Louisiana
with my older sister Goldie.

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[music intensifies]

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[melodic instrumental music plays]

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He was a big baby.

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He was 23.5 inches long.

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He weighed 8 pounds, 10.5 ounces,

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and I just thought
he was the greatest thing.

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He was just everything,

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everything to me.

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[birds and insects chirping]

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His father, during the whole,
I'd say he-- He--

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He abused me a lot.

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He-- He was an alcoholic too.

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I mean, it was normal for me to be abused.

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He would choke me and, you know, punch me.

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And it seems like every relationship
that I've ever been in, um,

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it's been abuse.

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There's been a lot of abuse…

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[inhales sharply]

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…and, um, it's hard.

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It really was. It was hard.

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[sniffles]

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[moody melodic music plays]

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I wanted to protect Kenny from the world.

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And I definitely didn't want him
to be abused or anything.

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I wanted to make sure
that he had a good life.

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And he wouldn't have had that
if I'd have stayed with his father.

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I started working full-time,

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and my mom started taking care of my son.

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I liked to go out on the weekends.
And, you know, I was a single person.

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Because I went through a stage
of a drinking problem too.

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And uh, I should have been
more at home with my son.

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My mother thought
that I could have been a better mother.

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Uh, she, uh, made me sign a paper

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saying that he-- she was
had full custody of him

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or I could no long--
we could no longer live with her.

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It broke my heart.

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It really did. It broke my heart.

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It just made me feel like, uh…

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I was losing my child.

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I really lost it a little bit.

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And, in my mind, um…

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I started drinking more and, uh…

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I started taking, uh, pills

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and stuff that I shouldn't be doing.

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[somber melodic music plays]

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I was 34 years old, when me and Chris
started dating. He was 30.

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And, uh, it was a good relationship
as we started out because he didn't drink.

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He was pretty, pretty gentle
at the beginning.

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And he was a very good-looking man.

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We had a lot of fun.

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[birds chirp]

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[melodic music plays]

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Chris worked for a private company.

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And, uh, he hurt his back
from the, the labor that he had to do.

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After that, he started taking opioids.

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[grim music plays]

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He changed.

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He started becoming more aggressive.

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There's times I had to go to the hospital,

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where he had shoved me into, like,
coffee tables and stuff like that.

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And I had broken ribs.

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Several times I had to call my sister

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because I thought he--
he was basically gonna kill me.

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And I was always scared
that something like that may happen.

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[music intensifies]

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[tense music plays]

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I pretty much ran the household.

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Paid the bills, cooked the meals.

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And I couldn't do those things
as well as I could.

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I tried, but I was too weak.

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[music intensifies]

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Chris was mad because I couldn't do
the things I used to do.

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He got way more aggressive.

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I mean, it was to the point
where he was like a madman at times.

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Between the medications

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and the stress that I was under,
and-- from not sleeping,

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Uh…

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I was hallucinating.

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And, uh, it was really getting bad,

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and I was ready to leave.
I was ready. I was,

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I was in the process
of getting my things out of the home,

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getting rid of what I didn't need,

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and um, um…

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when the incident happened.

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[music crescendos]

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[grim instrumental music plays]

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This is what I remember.

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I was laying down, but I was awake.

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And I went to the kitchen.

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I was gonna get--
grab a pack of cigarettes, and um…

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[music intensifies]

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I didn't grab the cigarettes.
I grabbed a pistol.

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Something told me to end him.

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[tense music plays]

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Chris was sleeping.
He was asleep on the couch.

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The time I shot him.

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[gunshots ringing]

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[gunshots continue]

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And that's the last I remember.

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[somber instrumental music plays]

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[sniffles]

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[grim music plays]

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[somber melodic music plays]

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[woman 1] You and Chris used to ride
that big, old tricycle

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off the high side of that porch…

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[man] Yeah, we'd jump 'em back here,
though.

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[woman 1] Yes, then you boys would be
out there and get your boots

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stuck in the cow patties.

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[laughter]

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[woman 2] I remember one time
that I think Kenny and Millie saw her.

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[woman 1] And even though Chris
isn't here with us,

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we've still got
all of our good memories of him.

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-[man] Yep.
-[woman 1] He's living on through us, so…

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[sniffles]

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This is Chris whenever he was a baby,

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and that's Kay, and Billy, and that's me.
[sniffles]

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[woman 2] We called him Kojak.

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-Yes. He was bald-headed.
-[man] Yeah. [laughs]

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Is that how he got his name?

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-Because of his bald head?
-Yes.

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-[woman 1] Didn't Daddy make that name up?
-Yes.

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[woman 1] He was a sweet little boy
growing up.

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He just loved everybody.
He was just full of life.

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[indistinct conversation]

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I am Cathy Colbert,
and Chris Isaac was my little brother.

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There were eight of us all together.

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Five girls and three boys.

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[photos rustling]

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Here's a graduation picture of him
when he graduated from Puxico High School.

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And, um, we were so proud
to see him graduate

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because Chris had learning disabilities.

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And, um, for him to graduate,

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it was just a really good day
for all of us. [sniffles]

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The best way to describe him
is a big loving teddy bear

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because that's what he was.

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-Gentle.
-Yes.

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Yeah. Very gentle.

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[Cathy] I was working at the time,

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and, um, I had a phone call.

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The gal out at the office
came out and told me,

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"Cathy, you need to come.…"

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I'm sorry.

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[sniffles]

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"You need to come take this phone call."

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[sniffles]

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"It's very important."

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I said, "Well, what is it?" [sniffles]

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She said, "I can't tell you."
I said, "Is it--?"

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[sniffles] "Is it bad?"

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"Just tell me if it's bad."

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[sniffles]

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And she said, "Yeah."

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[sniffles]

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It was my sister Gina.

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[sniffles] She said, um, "Chris is dead."

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[sniffles]

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"Vicky shot him."

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[sniffles] I'm sorry.

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[sniffles]

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It didn't make any sense at all

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because I knew they had--

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they had some troubles, you know,

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and most couples do have some troubles.

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But, I mean, it just really blew my mind,
you know, when,

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when we found out
she was the one who killed him.

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I couldn't believe it.

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That wasn't the Vicky we knew.

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There's just so many unanswered questions,
you know.

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So many unanswered questions. [sniffles]

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[woman 2] I felt like a double whammy
that day

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because I was so close to Vicky,

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and still to this day, it breaks my heart,

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because, I mean,
I loved her like one of my sisters.

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We all did.

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I don't know what happened.

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[sighs]

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[sniffles]

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[sighs]

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[insects chirping]

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[grim instrumental music plays]

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[music intensifies]

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[woman] There are no sure things,

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especially with a criminal investigation.

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You better make sure
that you've looked in every corner

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because you don't know
what's hiding around it.

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My name is Betty Frizzell.

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I started out as a deputy sheriff

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in a little county
not too far from Poplar Bluff.

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And then, eventually,
became a chief of police.

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I've been studying the Chris Isaac case
for years,

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probably since the day it happened.

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I didn't work directly on the case.

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'Cause I didn't want to get involved.

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I wanted to live
my nice little life in St. Louis.

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But I became involved
because I had reservations

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that Victoria did the actual shooting.

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I know when Victoria is lying.

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Because I'm Victoria's sister.

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[music intensifies]

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This is the house that we bought,

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and I was a grade-school girl
and Vicky was a…

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a teenager.

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I had the back bedroom,
and Vicky had the middle bedroom,

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and Mom had the front bedroom.

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[birds chirping]

258
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It brings, like,
a lot of feelings of sadness.

259
00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,800
A lot of broken dreams.

260
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,680
It's like a… a monument to Vicky's life.

261
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:08,000
[quavers] Tries to look pretty,
but it's still very damaged.

262
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,880
[somber instrumental music plays]

263
00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:26,480
My earliest memory
is Vicky getting in trouble…

264
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,440
[inhales]

265
00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,240
…and my mom was mad a lot,

266
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,440
especially if she'd been drinking.

267
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,680
Vicky had a slower intellect

268
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and didn't know
how to control her behavior.

269
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:42,680
[swallows]

270
00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,800
Vicky was the first time
I ever seen anything bleed.

271
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[inhales]

272
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,720
And it was not just

273
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:50,960
a… a spanking.

274
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:56,760
It was fist, and it was hair-pulling
and kicking.

275
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,880
Just like if she was getting in
a bar fight,

276
00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:04,720
but with this little, 11-year-old girl.

277
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,840
Vicky would take every bit of beating
that my mom would throw out.

278
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,680
If my mom was hitting me,
Vicky would try to make her mad

279
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,640
so that she would
deflect her attention onto her.

280
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:25,280
She protected me because she wanted me
to have the life that I have now.

281
00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:26,720
[sobs]

282
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,080
[sniffles]

283
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,160
I think Vicky's one of the most
self-sacrificing people I've ever met.

284
00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:53,600
[eerie music plays]

285
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,280
I don't believe Victoria killed Chris.

286
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:01,800
I believe it was somebody else.

287
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,800
[music intensifies]

288
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,280
I believe it was my nephew Kenny.

289
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,400
[music intensifies]

290
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:31,320
This is not just an open and shut case
of two opioid addicts,

291
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,200
that one decided to kill the other.

292
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,880
I believe the police
fell into the trap of tunnel vision.

293
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,000
"She said she did it. Case closed."

294
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,560
I've worked many cases
where people made false confessions.

295
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,760
People make false confessions
all the time.

296
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,040
[grim instrumental music plays]

297
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,080
[muffled police radio chatter]

298
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,360
[officer] You wanna make sure
your investigation's done properly

299
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,280
because a lot of times,
it's not as simple as it looks.

300
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,000
But in this case, it was.

301
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,800
[music intensifies]

302
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,200
My name's Andrew Holden.

303
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,840
I am currently the Chief Deputy
at Stoddard County Sheriff's Department.

304
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,560
I was one of the investigators
in this homicide investigation.

305
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,280
Everything we looked at,

306
00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:59,040
all the evidence,
all the interviews that we done,

307
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,240
led right back to that initial 911 call.

308
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,200
[phone speed dialing]

309
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,480
[ringing]

310
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,440
[operator] 911, what is your emergency?

311
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,000
[Victoria] I'm at 365 North Church Street.
I just killed my husband.

312
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,240
[operator] You just killed your husband?

313
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,760
[Victoria] Yeah, I shot him six times,
and 12 times in the head.

314
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,680
My name's Victoria Isaac.

315
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,600
[operator] What-- What's the address?

316
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,200
She called and said
that she had shot her husband,

317
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:31,960
and when we walked in and seen that,

318
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,800
it was pretty obvious
that's what had happened.

319
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,320
[music intensifies]

320
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,280
[cryptic instrumental music plays]

321
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,240
The spatter on her face was visible.

322
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,640
I mean, you could walk up to her
and see the little specks of blood.

323
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,000
It wasn't anything
you really had to search for.

324
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,120
It was obvious.

325
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000
We collected what was called GSR,

326
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:04,720
which is gunshot residue.

327
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,200
And that's-- that's normal to collect

328
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,560
in any-- any shooting you have.

329
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,760
Victoria tested positive
for gunshot residue.

330
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,240
[music intensifies]

331
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,720
Another piece of evidence we found
was a piece of paper

332
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,120
that was Victoria's last will
and testament,

333
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,760
where she was basically giving
her possessions away to other people.

334
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,120
So that appeared
that she did intend on killing herself.

335
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,440
I really believe the ultimate plan,
in this case,

336
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,880
was a murder-suicide,

337
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,920
but something changed her mind, uh,
to keep her from killing herself.

338
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,040
[muffled recording plays]

339
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,960
I don't know why she killed him
for certain.

340
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,520
That's one of the questions
that we'd like to answer if we can.

341
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,280
[officer] Can you put your hands out
again for me, please? Thank you.

342
00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:01,000
[Andrew] I personally never got
that "why" answered.

343
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,520
[officer] Can you turn them over for me?
Thank you.

344
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,760
Because the case is really so simple.

345
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,560
[blues-style music plays]

346
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,120
[Betty] Some police say they did
a good job and might believe they did.

347
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,120
Maybe they can go home at night
and sleep with that, but I can't.

348
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,120
Because I took an oath a long time ago
to uphold justice.

349
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,080
And my sister
did not get served justice in this.

350
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,400
I was surprised when Victoria told me

351
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,280
that Kenny was moving in
with her and Chris.

352
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:58,680
[grim music plays]

353
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,360
They have had
such a tumultuous relationship.

354
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,160
Vicky always wanted to be his mom.

355
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,560
He saw her more as a big sister.

356
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,360
Then when she married Chris,
Kenny didn't see him as a stepfather.

357
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,440
So you had these eschewed relationships
to begin with.

358
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,800
Kenny always exhibited some behavior
that was not rational.

359
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,240
A short time before the murder,

360
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,240
Chris and Kenny
had got into a physical altercation,

361
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,440
where Kenny ended up having a black eye.

362
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,240
I knew Kenny's personality.

363
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,920
Kenny didn't let anybody
get anything over on him.

364
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,760
My mom had instilled that in his mind.

365
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,320
How dare someone who's inferior,
such as Chris,

366
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,000
punch him and leave a black eye on him?

367
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,240
How dare he?

368
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,920
Revenge was the motive for this murder.

369
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,840
I believe what happened,

370
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,440
Kenny sees Chris laying there
on the couch, defenseless,

371
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,920
goes and finds the old 22mm gun,

372
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,520
loads it and starts shooting Chris.

373
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,040
[music crescendos]

374
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,000
Vicky wakes up and hears this,

375
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,800
and then the last four rounds,

376
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,360
she's either struggling with Kenny
with that gun,

377
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,920
or she talks Kenny out of it
and throws the gun.

378
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,040
[music intensifies]

379
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,040
I don't believe Victoria
shot any of those bullets.

380
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,600
Victoria, she's a protector
of the people she loves.

381
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,960
She called 911 and confessed,
and stuck to that story.

382
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,280
[music intensifies]

383
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,160
This is a way of paying penance
for being a bad mom.

384
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,240
And I think that's what she's guilty of.

385
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,040
Being a bad mom, maybe,
but not being a murderer.

386
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,840
[music crescendos]

387
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,560
[eerie music plays]

388
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,800
I admit there's no physical evidence
to prove Kenny did this.

389
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,640
But if someone's washed up,

390
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,720
or if somebody has changed clothes
and washed up,

391
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,720
there's not gonna be any.

392
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,040
[music intensifies]

393
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,280
However, there is tons
of circumstantial evidence

394
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,680
that proves my theory.

395
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,520
I've tried to talk to the police before,
and I've been shut down numerous times.

396
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,200
I've been told to stay in St. Louis,
mind my own business.

397
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,080
I've been threatened with arrest

398
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,840
just for telling the prosecutor
that we're gonna appeal Victoria's case.

399
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:32,160
But I'm a woman of faith,
and I'll just keep trying.

400
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,880
[blues-style music plays]

401
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,480
[indistinct chatter]

402
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,960
[indistinct chatter continues]

403
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,760
[muffled conversation]

404
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,560
Rosanna…

405
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,680
-Okay.
-Yorker.

406
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,600
Okay.

407
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,480
[indistinct chatter]

408
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,560
What spurred me to write the book
was the injustice,

409
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,880
the lack of competent police work,

410
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,680
and just my need for the truth.

411
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,040
[indistinct chatter continues]

412
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,720
My ultimate goal is for Victoria
to stop perpetuating this lie

413
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,040
that she's told herself,

414
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,800
stop protecting someone
who didn't protect her,

415
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,200
and just start moving towards

416
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,960
telling the truth
of what really happened that day.

417
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,120
[indistinct conversation]

418
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,520
It's all about my sister.
She's, uh, serving life plus 25 years,

419
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,920
um, for a murder
that she may or may not have committed.

420
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,040
Now, this…

421
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,720
She has her, uh, version of the story,
and this is my version.

422
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,880
So I'd like you to read it
and tell me what you think.

423
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,040
What do you think?

424
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:25,880
[chuckles] You know what I think.

425
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,440
[chuckling]

426
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,320
[indistinct conversation]

427
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,880
Maybe this book would also get the police
to look at this case again.

428
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,040
If Vicky would tell
really what happened that day

429
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,520
and provide more evidence
to what really went on,

430
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,960
maybe it would be reopened.

431
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,800
Maybe she would have a chance
to actually have another-- a real trial,

432
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,120
not just a plea deal.

433
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,200
[cryptic music plays]

434
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,160
[music intensifies]

435
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,520
[indistinct chatter]

436
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,240
Some people might just think
that I am making this up

437
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,520
or don't want to believe
that my sister committed this crime,

438
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,680
but there's a 911 call
days prior to this murder

439
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,640
in which Kenny tells his intent
to kill Chris,

440
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,840
and Vicky, and then himself.

441
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,360
That 911 call, to me,
really is the biggest piece of evidence

442
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,960
that proves that he did this.

443
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,040
[music intensifies]

444
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,120
[phone speed dials]

445
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,560
[operator] 911. What is your emergency?

446
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,080
[Kenny] Yeah, ma'am. I need an ambulance.
I'm having suicidal, homicidal thoughts.

447
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,280
I'm at the end of my rope.
I'm-- I'm outside pacing right now.

448
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,480
[operator] All right.
Is there anybody there with you?

449
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,400
[Kenny] Yeah, Mom and stepdad. I…

450
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,760
I was having thoughts
of killing both, and then myself.

451
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,560
[operator] Okay, I completely…
I can understand.

452
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,000
[Kenny] I can't take no more.

453
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,720
[static hum]

454
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,120
My name is Russ Oliver.

455
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,720
I was the prosecuting attorney

456
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,320
in the case of the homicide
of Chris Isaac,

457
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440
perpetrated by his wife, Victoria Isaac.

458
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,440
On May 7, a week before the homicide, uh,

459
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,200
Kenneth Smith did call, um, 911

460
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,120
and told them
that he was suicidal and homicidal.

461
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,400
I mean, that, that wasn't anything
that we ignored.

462
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,680
That was definitely something
that we'd go, "Oh."

463
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,240
"Well, let's pay attention to that."
All right?

464
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,760
And, and even with that-- knowing that,

465
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:50,240
we still had, had no evidence that pointed
that Kenny did anything here.

466
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,040
[cryptic music plays]

467
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,760
The evidence is that Victoria
was covered in Chris's blood.

468
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,560
And blood spatter is not something
that you can just recreate, right?

469
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Kenneth didn't have any blood spatter.

470
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,080
[music intensifies]

471
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,080
And he didn't have any gunshot residue
on his hands.

472
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,000
To say that Kenny did this,

473
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,320
I mean, there is no evidence
to support that whatsoever.

474
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,640
I will not be reading Betty's book.

475
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,360
I don't have a lot of spare time,

476
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,640
and I certainly won't be spending my time
reading what Betty has to say.

477
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,080
Is it for attention?

478
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,720
Is it, uh…

479
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,720
uh, to get sympathy for her sister?

480
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,800
I-- I don't know,

481
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,320
but her sister's not going anywhere.

482
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,240
Her sister shot her husband
ten times in the head execution-style.

483
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,160
She's never leaving prison.

484
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,480
What this lady is saying
is just rote accusations,

485
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,240
um…

486
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,760
rote speculation

487
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,920
with absolutely no evidence to back it up.

488
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,400
And not even the person who's in prison
saying that's what's happened.

489
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,520
That should be a big indication

490
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,440
of how much credibility
this should be given.

491
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,040
I do feel for the Isaac family.

492
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,000
What Betty is saying is probably
pretty upsetting to them, I'm sure.

493
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,400
They don't deserve any of this.

494
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,760
Re-dealing with all of this.

495
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,400
[blues-style music plays]

496
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,120
[host] Welcome to Let's have a Chat.

497
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,480
So for this episode, I am joined by
perhaps one of the most interesting guests

498
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,720
that we have had
in our 16 months of shows, Betty Frizzell.

499
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,440
I want folks to read the book.

500
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,160
-I don't want to spoil major details.
-[Betty] Okay.

501
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,600
But-- Uh, but simply put,
you make a pretty strong case

502
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,760
that Kenny and not Vicky, uh,
killed Vicky's husband, Chris.

503
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,120
[Betty] I've worked for some small cities,
I've worked for some small counties, but…

504
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,440
I've never seen this kind of,
you know, unprofessionalism.

505
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,000
It was a comedy of errors. Just because
they had a confession that this lady,

506
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,040
you know,
supposedly killed her husband and…

507
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,560
What a damn lie.

508
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,680
That's the biggest crock of bullcrap
I've ever heard in my life.

509
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,440
[host] Uh, has there been any movement
since the book?

510
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,920
It's been out for, what,
about close to a month now?

511
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,480
[Betty] No. And as you know…

512
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,240
[Cathy] She needs to let it rest.

513
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:44,080
She needs to think
about what it's doing to our family.

514
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,560
[somber music plays]

515
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,160
It's opening up old wounds.

516
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,800
Vicky did it.

517
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,240
Without a doubt in my mind,
I think Vicky did it.

518
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:00,920
She wrote out a statement
and confessed to it.

519
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,560
Betty didn't live in this area,

520
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:10,000
and, um, she wasn't around Vicky
that much either

521
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,680
for her to write
all the stuff in that book.

522
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,800
I don't know where she come up
with all of that stuff.

523
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,360
[Betty] …but I couldn't save Vicky.

524
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,000
I think Betty is crazy,

525
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,520
and I think she's seeking attention.

526
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,920
I don't know how anybody
could try to pin a murder

527
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,480
on somebody else,

528
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,880
and it-- it makes me sick to my stomach.

529
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,400
[music intensifies]

530
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,680
[grim instrumental music plays]

531
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:21,640
[indistinct police radio chatter]

532
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:26,560
[radio chatter continues]

533
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:27,720
[beeping]

534
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,960
[Andrew] I don't think Betty
necessarily is lying.

535
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,880
But I think sometimes
your judgment becomes clouded,

536
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,880
um, even with a law enforcement background
or whoever you are

537
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,920
when you're trying to look into a crime
that your sibling has committed.

538
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,600
[somber melodic music plays]

539
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:01,240
I can absolutely understand
why Betty would make those claims.

540
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,720
Trying to cast doubt out there,

541
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,640
trying to get her sister out of prison.

542
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,600
And it's not uncommon
for family members to, um,

543
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,840
not believe
a law enforcement investigation.

544
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,640
And this is true in this case.

545
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,320
At the end of the day,

546
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,440
it doesn't matter what I think,
it doesn't matter what Betty thinks.

547
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,920
Until there's new evidence
that comes to light

548
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,480
or someone makes a claim or,

549
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,000
or a new statement,

550
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,720
uh, there's really nothing gonna change
in this case.

551
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,040
[grim instrumental music plays]

552
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,560
[Victoria] Last time I saw my son
was at the courthouse,

553
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,520
and I haven't seen him since
or talked to him.

554
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,440
And it hurts.
It hurts every day that I can't.

555
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,480
He's in my thoughts daily.

556
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,720
[music intensifies]

557
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,680
Would you mind…?

558
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,320
Yep. I'm fine.

559
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,880
[Victoria] My sister Betty's been there
for me when nobody else has.

560
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,560
She's so encouraging.

561
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,640
I feel better after I talk to my sister.

562
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:15,960
I don't feel so alone.

563
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,840
I've read the book.

564
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,840
Um…

565
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,280
Yes, I'm-- I'm, uh, I'm aware of what…

566
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,520
what's been said.

567
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,360
[music intensifies]

568
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,320
You know, whether it's true or false,
I can't… I can't tell you that,

569
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,960
because, uh, for the simple fact
of court matters,

570
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,960
and I could be going back
into court someday,

571
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,920
and that…

572
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,000
that could damage what…

573
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,480
what, you know, what, uh,
the judge would see.

574
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,360
And that's… You know,
I really can't go any further.

575
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,080
[interviewer] In the first interview,
you told me you did do it.

576
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,360
Do you want to tell me again, like,
who pulled the trigger on that morning?

577
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:12,160
I could not be accurate
on telling you what actually happened

578
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,920
because of the medications.

579
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,040
You know, I was, uh…

580
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,000
That day, I was out of it.

581
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,040
But that…

582
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,880
That's all I got to say about that.

583
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,800
[music intensifies]

584
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,280
[interviewer] Can you tell me
if Kenny shot Chris?

585
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,440
Hm…

586
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,000
I don't know. I don't know.
I mean, did… I-- I don't know.

587
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,480
Did you talk to him,
or did somebody talk to him about this?

588
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,240
He was there, I was there,

589
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,360
and, uh…

590
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,320
Everybody's got their own opinion.

591
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,600
And I was in a haze, and…

592
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:54,960
Uh…

593
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,240
Both me and my son,
both know how to…

594
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,560
It was my mother's, uh, gun,

595
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,040
and both of us know, uh, how to use it.

596
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,040
There's a lot of people,
not just my sister,

597
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,760
that think my son done it.

598
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:15,200
Uh…

599
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,720
I can't dispute it,
but I can't tell you that he did it.

600
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,320
[interviewer] Do you think it might be
upsetting for Kenny

601
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,880
if he is protesting his innocence?

602
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,800
I don't, I don't believe
he would be upset, uh,

603
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,720
because he…

604
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,960
He knows the detective side in his aunt.

605
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,960
And, uh, when you have a--

606
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,520
a relative that's in law enforcement,

607
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,400
you know that they're gonna look
at every angle. They're gonna dig.

608
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:48,920
So he's-- He--

609
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:54,680
I assume he's just thinking
that it's his aunt's detective in her.

610
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:56,240
You know, making sure.

611
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,680
[music intensifies]

612
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,920
[eerie instrumental music plays]