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[somber instrumental music plays]

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[man] The plan was to move forward
to Alaska

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and just finish our lives up there.

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That was it.

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We always assumed we'd just be together
for the rest of our days.

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I didn't know what happened to Leslie.

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I thought, "Well, maybe she's okay,
maybe something…"

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"It wasn't as bad.
Maybe it was a bad dream."

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The nurse, she says,
"Well, honey, she's deceased."

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"She's been dead for a while."

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And then it all kind of sunk in.

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[cryptic music plays]

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[somber melodic music plays]

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-[interviewer] Good to go?
-Yeah.

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[interviewer] Alrighty!

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I hear you.

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Oh, there you are! [chuckles]

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Uh…

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[Daniel] Well, the bullet had gone in
right here

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and came out around here.

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You can see a scar all the way across
where they had opened it up.

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But it looks really odd.

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And they said, "You'll probably never
be able to speak again."

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My name is Daniel John Paulsrud.

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I grew up in Neihart, Montana.

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[upbeat melodic music plays]

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It was a town of 35 people back then.

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Everybody knew everybody and their dogs.

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I fly fished from the age of five on up.

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Did a lot of camping and hunting.
A lot of hunting.

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I-- I loved it. It was great.

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We didn't have a whole lot of money,
but I didn't care.

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[somber instrumental music plays]

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I was an infantryman,
in the Airborne Infantry.

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Uh… We ended up going to Desert Storm
and Kuwait Liberation as well.

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Yeah, it prepared me for a little bit…

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of life.

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It wasn't all, um, blood and guts. It was…

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I think the more horrific things that--
that I saw

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was the treatment of people.

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I've seen some women
that were beaten almost to death.

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Um…

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Kids that didn't have nothin' to eat,
you know.

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Going to combat
with people you've been with…

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I don't know how to describe it
other than a brotherhood.

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There's a trust. Yeah.

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Kept going until it was time to go home.

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[acoustic guitar music plays]

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I always wanted to be involved in artwork.

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So I ended up in Durango, Colorado
as a sculptor.

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And boy, that lasted
for about five years or so.

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I ended up moving back to Montana.

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You know, and then
that's where I met Leslie.

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[upbeat music plays]

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She was very good-looking,

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and, uh, her personality was, uh…

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wasn't so standoffish.

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It was more…

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more of a friendly type of person.

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She had never been the outdoors type,

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and I introduced her to that.

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And she took to it. She really enjoyed it.

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And started hunting…

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She was spot on.

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She was very safety-conscious.

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Uh, she wouldn't shoot
unless she was absolutely sure.

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She was great.

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Oh, there was

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nothing but love at that time.

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She has one son and three daughters
from her ex-husband.

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Leslie, she had a--
a style of raising her kids

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without discipline or…
or consequences.

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If we ever had an argument,

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it was about her children, usually.

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Her oldest daughter liked to take her
to the bars all the time and…

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She didn't like me a whole lot

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because Leslie was spending her time
with me instead of out with her.

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Uh, the youngest, Kailee,
was always with us.

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She's a good kid. She, uh…
She is very smart.

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[somber melodic music plays]

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So Leslie went ahead, and then I--
I followed.

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Did as much moving as I could.

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Then right before
we were almost done moved in

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is when all this happened. Yeah.

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We were hunting that day
right out of, uh, Fort Benton.

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But yeah, it was just after daybreak,
I think we went out.

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I think she'd gotten several phone calls
from the kids,

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and like, "Well, we better just go home."

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Started making plans for dinner.

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She got a phone call from her oldest

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and immediately started arguing.

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So I went to the apartment
we were fixing up…

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and unloaded the tools and put the--

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the guns in the…

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in the apartment.

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I always unload the guns
before I bring them in.

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I just assumed that day I did.

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Oh, couldn't have been
an hour and a half later or so,

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she came in

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and she brought beer.

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We sat down
and started enjoying the evening.

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I had the pistol on the table.

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It was a .357 Magnum.

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I carried it, uh…
for hunting season, of course.

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You know, if you wound an animal,
you can dispatch them quick and easy

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without them suffering and whatnot, but…

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And as I was playing with the pistol,

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I cocked it.

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Mm…

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Let it down, cocked it, and let it down.

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She had come back from the refrigerator.

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I was sitting down.

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I cocked it and was playing with it,

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and it went off.

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[gunshot echoes]

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She immediately fell back into the chair
and down on the floor, so…

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I knew it hit her.

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[sighs]

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And it was so fast.

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It died… She died so fast.

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[breathes heavily]

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And it was…

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All I could say was "I love you"
and "I'm sorry," and…

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There was nothing
that could be done at that point.

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[bird squawks]

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I sat back in the chair and thought,
"Well, I'll just have to shoot…

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shoot myself in the head
and be done with it."

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And I tried.

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I couldn't at first, and so I…

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I went to the refrigerator
and got a vodka we had in there.

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I just drank it

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and I was able to pull the trigger.

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[music intensifies]

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Well, I guess I don't remember
a whole lot after that.

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[somber melodic music plays]

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[birds squawking]

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Because I shot myself, it was assumed
after that, that it was deliberate.

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I was convicted of deliberate homicide

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and given life without parole,
plus ten years.

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I never got the chance to,
to tell the kids,

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"Hey, this was not deliberate."

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"This was a horrific accident."

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And I'll never lose the guilt and the pain

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that goes with losing her,

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and especially being my fault.

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Well, I… I lost my future.

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I lost her kids' future and…

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[sighs]

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…I lost the rest of my life

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that day.

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I think of Leslie all the time.
All the time.

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[grim instrumental music plays]

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[John] My wife and I were sitting down to
Thanksgiving dinner when I got the call.

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The, um, call was to an intoxicated
or an injured person.

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When I arrived on scene,

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there was a person on all fours, um,
against the curb, partly in the roadway.

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My initial thought was that
he had tripped and fallen off the curb

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and had hit his face.

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He was vomiting.

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But when I shined my light onto him,
I could see that it wasn't vomit.

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It was in fact blood that was,
you know, squirting out of his mouth.

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I ask him if he had fallen.

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He made a guttural noise
and shook his head no

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and pantomimed the, you know,
putting a…

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doing this under his chin,

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which I assume meant
that he had been shot.

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And I ask him if someone had shot him,

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and he again made a guttural sound
and shook his head no.

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I ask him if anyone was with him,

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and he nodded his head yes
and made a guttural sound

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and pointed around behind him
with his hand.

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Behind him,
I could see these pools of blood.

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The blood trail
led back to the apartment.

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And when I looked in the apartment,
I saw someone laying on the floor.

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And immediately I recognized Leslie
when I saw her.

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In a small community, you know everybody.

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Uh, and everybody gets to know you.

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She was laying on her back, and her hands
were in the pockets of her jacket.

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She had been shot,

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and laying on the floor, um,
not too far from her

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was a Ruger GP100 .357 revolver.

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This particular style of firearm would be

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an extremely rare event
if it was accidentally discharged.

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Um, it takes a substantial amount of force
to squeeze the trigger on one of them.

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You know, Leslie had her hands
in her pockets, and he shot her.

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Who-- Who does that?

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To my mind, there's no way

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that this could ever be misconstrued
as an accident.

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[birds chirping]

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[man] Dan and I really hit it off.

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He was always good fun to be around.

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[water trickles]

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He liked making people laugh
and being upbeat,

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and he was a great artist.

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My name is LJ Planer.

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I met Dan Paulsrud in the military.

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Uh, he sent this to me in 2018.

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It says, "Paulsrud and Planer,
Desert Storm."

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He, uh… He writes like such a girl.

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He's got girly handwriting.

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We used to tease him all the time.
I did anyhow.

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"Forever family."

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[somber melodic music plays]

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We were M60 machine gunners.

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And Dan and I got close.

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There was one particular time
where on a mission,

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our platoon sergeant
came running down the line,

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saying there's a bunch of tanks
coming right at us

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and there's no way
that we're gonna be able to stop them.

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I said, "All right, buddy."

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"This is probably going to be it."

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"You want to fight or hide?"

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And he said, "If you're gonna fight,
I'll fight with you."

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Well,

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that attack never came,

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but I knew that I had somebody beside me

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that was willing to fight to the death.

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We both wanted to leave the military
and go hunt and fish.

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Every time we talked, it was always about
when we are going to get together,

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and I was still in the military,
and so it's hard to plan things.

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So it never happened.

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I got a phone call
from another friend of ours that said,

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"Did you hear what happened to Paulsrud?"

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And I was like, "No."

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And he said,
"Dude, you gotta check the news."

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Uh…

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"He killed his fiancée
and tried to kill himself."

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And I said, "There's no way."

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"There's no way.
It's gotta be somebody else."

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[quavers] I just didn't understand.

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I didn't… didn't understand.

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[music intensifies]

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I was angry that he could let something
like that happen.

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He grew up around guns.

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We… [chuckles]
We handled them all the time.

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How-- How could that happen?

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He told me it was an accident.

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I don't know.

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The Dan I knew,
I can't believe that he could ever

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of killed her on purpose.

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I told him, you know,
"I'm sorry for not being there."

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Uh…

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"It's not my place to judge you."

256
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,480
[smacks lips] "It's, uh…"

257
00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:12,920
"It's my place to be your brother
and support you."

258
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,120
[somber melodic music plays]

259
00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:19,720
He's responsible.

260
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,280
Um, he understands that.

261
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,000
Dan took a life.

262
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,480
That gun didn't kill her by itself.
He pulled the trigger.

263
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:37,360
How can you try somebody
in that severe of a case

264
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,080
and give him life plus 10 years

265
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,240
when he doesn't even have the opportunity
to tell his story or his side?

266
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,280
Can't speak, has a traumatic brain injury
with a gunshot wound to the head,

267
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:54,400
and is medicated to the point
where he is incoherent.

268
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,160
[woman] She was always fun,

269
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:26,040
always smiling,

270
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:28,520
up for a good time.

271
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,160
[bowling pins falling]

272
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,320
When she was bowling with her friends,

273
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,200
they were the party girls.

274
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,600
And I've since joined the party girls,
which is terrible. [laughs]

275
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,400
What I have
are some photographs of Leslie.

276
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,400
There's my favorite one.

277
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,240
That's one of the times
Leslie had short hair.

278
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:01,520
But always a smile.

279
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,360
Always a smile.

280
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,040
And these two are with her,
bowling friends,

281
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,960
in the middle, having a good time.

282
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,080
Some crazy bar somewhere.

283
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,440
My name is Susan Yager.

284
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:18,680
And Leslie is my sister.

285
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,400
Is, was, always will be.

286
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,920
[tense instrumental music plays]

287
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,400
Leslie came to our house when she was two.

288
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,000
She was adopted.

289
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,400
Darling little girl
with a thick head of copper curls.

290
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,280
Her father had killed her mother
in the backyard.

291
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,200
Shot her mother and then shot himself.

292
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,760
[music intensifies]

293
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:55,800
She saw it.

294
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,440
So, she came to our house.

295
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:10,320
She had a lot of friends
and just happy all the time.

296
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,240
That was who she was.

297
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,400
[instrumental folk music plays]

298
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,840
She did basketball and track
in high school,

299
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,440
and then swim team in the summer.

300
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,280
So she had a good, good bringing-up life.

301
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,400
[music intensifies]

302
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:36,080
She graduated, she got married,
and she turned 18

303
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,160
all within a week.

304
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,560
[somber melodic music plays]

305
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,520
[pins falling]

306
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,240
Any other boyfriend she had

307
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,880
would be introduced to her friends,

308
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,960
and everybody going out together,
and everybody having a good time.

309
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,560
And this one didn't happen that way.

310
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,800
It was no kind of a love story.

311
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,160
She moved out several times.

312
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,800
Why would you leave
if it were a perfect relationship?

313
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,640
I knew that he had threatened her,
that he held a knife to her,

314
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,320
that he had a gun across his lap
as she moved out.

315
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,160
He said, "I'll take you out
and shoot myself."

316
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,240
"But you're going to end up
the same way your parents did."

317
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,720
I would say to her, "Are you kidding me?
Why are you even listening to that crap?"

318
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,040
But somehow, he had a pull on her.

319
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:58,600
Some sort of pull.

320
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,760
[grim melodic music plays]

321
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:11,880
She was pissed

322
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,320
and said that Dan had decided

323
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,520
Thanksgiving was with his parents
on Saturday.

324
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,680
And she said, "I'm just done
with this whole mess."

325
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,320
She said, "I'm done
with him deciding everything,

326
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,640
and telling us what to do,

327
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,000
and deciding what my family and I
are doing."

328
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,760
She said, "I'm going back
to tell him just to get out."

329
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,280
"We're done. He needs to leave."
[chokes up]

330
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,800
I said, "Stay here. Have dinner with us."

331
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,320
"Nope. I'll go back over
to the apartment."

332
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,520
[sniffles]

333
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:51,440
"Okay."

334
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,240
That was it.

335
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,800
[breathes heavily]

336
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,440
[somber melodic music plays]

337
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,280
We all miss her
because she shouldn't be gone.

338
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,080
If anybody should be gone,
it should be him. [chokes up]

339
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,920
[sniffles, sighs]

340
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,560
No, she shouldn't be gone.

341
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,960
[melodic music plays]

342
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,760
[girl] Mom!

343
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,160
-I'm here! See?
-[mom] Catch!

344
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,960
[mom] I'll catch you. I'm right here.

345
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,280
I'm right here. I promise.

346
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:47,360
One, two, three!

347
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,600
[squealing, laughing]

348
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,440
There you go. See?

349
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:57,360
A lot of things, I see more clearly
now that I'm a mom myself.

350
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:06,880
Never in a million years would I choose
or let someone come into my kids' lives

351
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,600
and treat them
the way that Dan treated me.

352
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,880
I am Kailee Davidson,

353
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,800
and I am Leslie Davidson's
youngest daughter.

354
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,320
I adored my mom.

355
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,720
Every single night,
she would tuck me in bed and say,

356
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,240
"I'm going to do this, tuck you into bed,
kiss you good night until the day I die."

357
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,720
My parents got a divorce

358
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360
when, I think,
I was like six or seven years old.

359
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,600
They got along, um, just fine
even though they were divorced.

360
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,200
[somber music plays]

361
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,360
I was ten years old.

362
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,280
The time from when my dad passed away

363
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,880
to moving in with Dan
was maybe a month.

364
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,720
Maybe a month.

365
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,800
My mom was in-- you know, infatuated.

366
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,960
And I remember thinking, "But why?"

367
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,400
Like, he was just the--
a very heavyset guy.

368
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,880
Didn't-- I don't think he had a job then.

369
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,600
It was okay for a little bit.

370
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,160
And then, I would say a couple months in,

371
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,080
things started to change.

372
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,640
[grim instrumental music plays]

373
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,960
My mom turned her back to him,

374
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,200
and she was walking down the hallway.

375
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,240
And then he just came up right behind her
and pushed her down, like so hard.

376
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,800
And she flew.
I was sitting on my bed, and she just…

377
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,200
her whole body just flew down the hallway.

378
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,600
There was other times when she would have
scratches and bruises all over her.

379
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,320
And I'd be like, "Is that from him?"

380
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,200
And she would say, "No, no, no."

381
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,400
But I knew.

382
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,080
And that happened a lot.

383
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,480
[somber music plays]

384
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,720
[dogs bark]

385
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,360
You know, he took a lot of satisfaction

386
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,320
in the amount of power he had over my mom.

387
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,600
He emotionally and mentally abused her
and took advantage of her,

388
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,160
knowing that she would give him
another chance.

389
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,080
And it was just this never-ending cycle.

390
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,720
[sirens wail]

391
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,800
[tense instrumental music plays]

392
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,920
[man] It's important to every case
when there are things that are wrong

393
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,640
that need to be set right.
We're here to set things right.

394
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,480
[music intensifies]

395
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,040
My name is Mark Hilyard.

396
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,800
I was the, uh, criminal investigator
for the state of Montana on this case.

397
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,960
I think it was an argument
that escalated to the point

398
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,480
where he took that opportunity
to shoot her,

399
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,960
to kill her.

400
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,760
[music builds]

401
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,720
One of the agents found
inside one of the pockets

402
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,920
a napkin that had been written on.

403
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,320
And that note read,

404
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,120
"For the record,

405
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,640
Leslie has thought about suicide
for some time now."

406
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,600
"She has asked me to end her life
several times."

407
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,240
"She has also asked me
to be abusive to her

408
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,320
so she could call the police
for her own personal vengeance."

409
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,640
"I feel horrible
for striking back at her."

410
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,240
"I have been pushed to that point."

411
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,400
"Never once have I done this in my life,
and I never will again."

412
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,520
So right there,
he admits that, uh, he struck her.

413
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,200
And he's also trying
to formulate the alibi

414
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,600
that she wanted him to shoot her.

415
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,440
[sighs] What bothers me about this
is, uh, he had time to write this.

416
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,920
So after the shooting,
he went out to his vehicle,

417
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,560
'cause I found napkins in the vehicle
that matched this exactly,

418
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,080
and a pen that he wrote this,
this note on.

419
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:00,440
Uh…

420
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,360
And he brought it back inside
and wrote that note while she lay there.

421
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,720
He could've got help
during that time.

422
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:22,120
[indistinct recorded conversation]

423
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,880
[cryptic music plays]

424
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,280
[Mark] Yeah, it's been a long time
since I've seen this.

425
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,960
My name's Mark.

426
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,680
What we're gonna do is
we're going to get a piece of paper,

427
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,880
a notepad,
and have you write 'em down.

428
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,080
I'd never had anything like this before

429
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,840
where I had to have the suspect
write everything out to me.

430
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,800
So, it was very unusual.

431
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,880
[somber instrumental music plays]

432
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,480
[music intensifies]

433
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,240
I have the statement right here.

434
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,080
"Went out hunting that day to go hunting."

435
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,440
You know, "Had a wonderful day."

436
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,000
"Leslie put away the rifles."

437
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,240
"I grabbed the .357."

438
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:31,200
"Now, I don't know what happened next
as far as the gun going off

439
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,280
because I couldn't believe
what had just happened."

440
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,200
I think he's a liar.

441
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,280
I, I-- You know, I mean,
a liar can't remember all his lies.

442
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,680
[music intensifies]

443
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,760
[birds chirping]

444
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,040
[somber melodic music plays]

445
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,520
[woman] I kept telling my mom
to leave him.

446
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,280
If anybody could have gotten
through to her, it would have been me,

447
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,680
and he knew that, and that terrified him.

448
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,400
My name is Amanda Davidson.
Um, Leslie was my mother.

449
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,760
I was the last one
to speak to her that day.

450
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,680
And my sister and my grandmother

451
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,120
had come up from Fort Benton

452
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,040
to meet me and my brother
at Golden Corral in Great Falls.

453
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:37,080
My mother was supposed to meet us there.

454
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,960
And I get a phone call from her

455
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,800
saying that her and Dan are fighting.

456
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,880
The phone went dead,
and she called me back.

457
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,920
And I'm like, "Did Dan just hit you?"
And she's like, "Yes."

458
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,160
[grim music plays]

459
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,000
I'm like, "Mom, I'm coming to get you."

460
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,440
She's like, "No, you don't need to.
You're fine."

461
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,920
She goes, "I'm leaving.
I'll be, I'll be up there."

462
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:00,880
And…

463
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,800
[gasps]

464
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,920
I said, "I love you," and the last thing
she said to me is, "I love you more."

465
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,440
We went ahead and ate.
Um, I Hadn't heard from her.

466
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,040
And I had to work that night.

467
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,000
My sister kept--
Kailee kept calling me and calling me.

468
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,120
I'm like, "Oh my God, come on.
I just saw you." You know?

469
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,440
And, uh, finally, I picked up.
I'm like, "What?!"

470
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:31,400
And John Turner, the sheriff at the time,
was on the phone,

471
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,560
and I could hear my sister just howling.

472
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,360
And he's like, "We found your mom's body."

473
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,400
And I collapsed.

474
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,240
[quavers] So,  I went into shock mode.

475
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,280
So I went to work.

476
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,840
Um… And then it came up
on the ten o'clock news.

477
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,200
You kind of got to know
that's when it's real.

478
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,080
[somber melodic music plays]

479
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,360
So this is the letter
that I've held on, um, from Dan,

480
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,560
for many, many years.

481
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,080
It's a reminder
of what kind of a coward he is

482
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:21,840
and who he will blame.

483
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,120
Anybody but himself.

484
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,400
It says, "Amanda, it is difficult
to put into words

485
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,880
everything I need to say to you
without fear of provoking

486
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,120
that hate and disdain
so common in your character."

487
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,200
"All I have ever known of you
is hostility, alcoholism,

488
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,000
and your trouble with the law."

489
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,680
"But none of these things you've done
to me or the rest of your family

490
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,000
should reflect you deserving
to lose your mother the way you did."

491
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,960
As you can see in what I've read to you,
there's nothing but hatred.

492
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,360
This letter didn't surprise me,
him blaming me,

493
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,880
because I knew who he was.

494
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,560
I knew what kind of a monster he was.

495
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,920
[Dan] And as I was playing
with the pistol,

496
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,120
I cocked it and let it down, cocked it,

497
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,600
and it went off.

498
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,960
And she was gone,

499
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,160
almost immediately it seemed like.

500
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,320
[Amanda] Yeah, I don't believe that
one bit.

501
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,720
That's the first time I've heard his…

502
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,160
"explan--" See? I'm shaking

503
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,200
That's the first time
I've heard his explanation, and it--

504
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,480
It makes me irate.

505
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,520
She died with her hands in her coat.

506
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,680
She was leaving. Her car was running.

507
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,000
Knowing my mother, she was leaving him,
and I think it was for good.

508
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,640
This has been a good release for me

509
00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:16,800
because I will never think about this man
ever again.

510
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,360
As far as I'm concerned,

511
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,560
Dan can burn in hell.

512
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,800
[cryptic music plays]

513
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,200
[Dan] We were hunting that day.

514
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,120
Yeah, it was just after daybreak
I think we went out.

515
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,520
I think she'd gotten several phone calls
from the kids,

516
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,200
and like, "Well, we better just go home."

517
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Started making plans for dinner.

518
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,920
She got a phone call from her oldest

519
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,160
and immediately started arguing

520
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:09,680
'cause she had been at the bar and…

521
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,520
"All right. Just come over whenever
and tell me--"

522
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,600
[music intensifies]

523
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,440
[sniffles]

524
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,920
[somber music plays]

525
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,400
That whole entire thing is a lie.

526
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,080
They didn't go hunting.

527
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,600
I mean, I-- I saw my mom that morning.
She picked me up that morning.

528
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,600
The plan was to have
a Thanksgiving dinner with all of us.

529
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,040
My sister,

530
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,800
she wasn't out at the bar.

531
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,600
She was not arguing with my mom.

532
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,080
I was sitting across from her at the table
when my mom called her

533
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,960
and said that Dan punched her in the face.

534
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,880
And to act

535
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,760
like they were this happy couple

536
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,720
and that they weren't fighting
that entire day,

537
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,800
it's not an accident.

538
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,040
It happened behind closed doors.

539
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,360
You don't want anyone to know.

540
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,640
I was the only person
who saw how he treated my mom

541
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,680
for two and a half, three years.

542
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,600
I… I witnessed it.

543
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,200
I grew up with it.

544
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,480
That was my normal.

545
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,560
And I know the truth.

546
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,240
[cryptic music plays]

547
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,320
[Dan] Leslie is the love of my life.

548
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,600
I miss her a lot.

549
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,360
I have to drudge forward with her in mind

550
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,680
without being stuck in that pit

551
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,240
of grief and shame

552
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,160
for causing that.

553
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,160
I do believe we would still be together

554
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,920
had she not been hit,

555
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,720
or if she had survived, or any of that.

556
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,240
Yes, I think we'd still be together.

557
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,400
[Mark] "Leslie has thought about suicide
for some time now."

558
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,960
"She has asked me
to end her life several times."

559
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,680
"I feel horrible
for striking back at her."

560
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,160
"I have been pushed to that point."

561
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,560
"Never once have I done this in my life,

562
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,840
and I never will again."

563
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,520
That sounds like something
that was written right when…

564
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,760
before I pulled the trigger, I'll bet.

565
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,080
And I had vodka by then.

566
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,480
I'm trying to think
what I was thinking at the time and…

567
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,440
I'm drawing a… a blank.

568
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,240
[interviewer] It sounds as though
you killed her deliberately.

569
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,040
Oh, ma'am. No, no, no.

570
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:35,120
[inhales deeply]

571
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,040
No.

572
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:36,960
Um…

573
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:42,800
I wonder if it was more for closure,
but I wouldn't…

574
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,680
I wouldn't say I killed her deliberately
and then wrote that, no.

575
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,400
[Amanda] You killed our mother
in cold blood.

576
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,360
She died with her hands in her coat.

577
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,360
She was leaving. Her car was running.

578
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,080
Knowing my mother, she was leaving him,
and I think it was for good.

579
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,960
[Dan] I don't think the car was running.

580
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,480
That doesn't sound right to me, but…

581
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,400
I wish--

582
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,280
I wish I could've talked
during the trial.

583
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,960
It seems to escalate
every time with her, but…

584
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,920
I never really got along with Amanda.

585
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,760
I wish I could help her to move on.

586
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,400
[Kailee] They didn't go hunting.

587
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,840
I mean, I-- I saw my mom that morning.
She picked me up that morning.

588
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,200
The plan was to have a Thanksgiving dinner
with all of us.

589
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,080
My sister, she wasn't out at the bar.

590
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,520
I was sitting across from her at the table
when my mom called her

591
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,480
and said that Dan punched her in the face.

592
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,720
And to act

593
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,000
like they were this happy couple

594
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,000
and that they weren't fighting
that entire day…

595
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,440
That's too bad.

596
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,000
[somber melodic music plays]

597
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,680
No, we weren't fighting that entire day.

598
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,920
We did go hunting that day.

599
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,000
I feel like she's being influenced

600
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,240
as far as what she is

601
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,080
told to say.

602
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,960
It's not nearly as, uh, horrific

603
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,440
as what some have explained.

604
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,520
[birds chirping]

605
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,240
It was not intentional,

606
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:40,960
and that's the truth.

607
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,800
[somber instrumental music plays]

